ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He didn't. His "guy" at the meeting TODAY said "the clock is ticking" and Russia won't negotiate forever.
Coupled with the transport ships BUZZING THE ENGLISH CHANNEL it is clear to me TIME IS RUNNING OUT and Russia is losing patience.

And yes the day after the Olympics end is a hard strike date.
But would a nation ready and wanting war, ever care if the Olympics are going on, or not?

Unless China is in with Russia too, THEN I could see this holding off until after the Oympics.
 

Optimus Prime

Senior Member
Nope Doomer, he won’t wait that long, too much tactical/morale loss. The borelympics have no bearing on this at all. If he doesn’t launch in next 3-7 days I’m not following this closely anymore. So much movement of assets in all theaters can be accomplished in 27 days that he wouldn’t have to confront with a more expedient launch.
And then, conspiratorially thinking, the question is begged what else is up the elites sleeve to kill us all??
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
This will be, IMHO, a longer range cruise missile, amphibious southern flank movement with paratroop drops to secure forward positions. It will be like the battle of the bulge, with troops pouring into Donabas? like the Ardennes punch through. All those uke troops sitting fat and happy staring from their trenches will have done to them what we did to the taleban in their trenches. CARPETBOMBING VIA CRUISE MISSILES OR MOABS THE RUSSIAN VERSION.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I am assuming that Xi the Merciless wants his ego Olympics bad enough to wait for a combined attack with putin.
However, we arevdealing with Marxist scum here, so Xi may very well launch on Taiwan in the next 7 days or so, AND THAT may be why all the :poop: is pouring out of CONUS.
Yep a definite possibility.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
This will be, IMHO, a longer range cruise missile, amphibious southern flank movement with paratroop drops to secure forward positions. It will be like the battle of the bulge, with troops pouring into Donabas? like the Ardennes punch through. All those uke troops sitting fat and happy staring from their trenches will have done to them what we did to the taleban in their trenches. CARPETBOMBING VIA CRUISE MISSILES OR MOABS THE RUSSIAN VERSION.
I think the Russians are getting ready to do an amphibious envelopment, and to do that they need the ships moving through the English Channel. That should give the Ukes about a week before all the pieces are in place.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
He didn't. His "guy" at the meeting TODAY said "the clock is ticking" and Russia won't negotiate forever.
Coupled with the transport ships BUZZING THE ENGLISH CHANNEL it is clear to me TIME IS RUNNING OUT and Russia is losing patience.

And yes the day after the Olympics end is a hard strike date.

You may be right, Doug.
 

desert_fox

Threadkiller
I remember reading about WWII and the Maginot Line. Germany was piling up equipment and troops but nobody was very willing to stop them thinking, "they won't be that crazy! Look at how powerful we are and the Maginot Line will protect us."

I get the same feeling with what is going on with Ukraine/Russia.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I remember reading about WWII and the Maginot Line. Germany was piling up equipment and troops but nobody was very willing to stop them thinking, "they won't be that crazy! Look at how powerful we are and the Maginot Line will protect us."

I get the same feeling with what is going on with Ukraine/Russia.
Yep, and they used Michallian Tourist Maps to guide the German Tanks right into France and passed the line. I've seen photos of the troops spreading out the tourist maps.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Let's not lay the ignorance label 100% on Winkin' Blinkin, in fairness. He has bosses whoi tell HIM what to say. USUALLY it would be POTUS. Now, whoever is pulling JB's strings are doing this. And THAT "Triumvirate" wants a war they can (almost believably) set at someone else's feet.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Hard to tell what is a policy foreshadowing, misstatement due to drugs wearing off, n a misheard command from the lil voices wired into his head :: shrug ::
I think he spoke out loud, something that had probably been discussed during briefings on "how we plan to handle this one, Mr. President."

Either the drugs, his cognitive issues, or both probably had him blurt this one out; and then found himself unable to repair the stumble the way most people would with "oh, wait what I meant to say was," because he can't think on his feet anymore.

Especially since, he probably already knew this was "the plan," but it wasn't one that was supposed to be public, I'm pretty sure of that one!
 

jward

passin' thru
Biden predicts Russia 'will move in' to Ukraine, but says 'minor incursion' may prompt discussion over consequences


President Joe Biden on Wednesday predicted Russia "will move in" to Ukraine, citing existential concerns by the country's president, Vladimir Putin, even as he warned of significant economic consequences should such an incursion occur.
But he suggested a "minor incursion" would elicit a lesser response than a full-scale invasion of the country.
"I'm not so sure he is certain what he is going to do. My guess is he will move in. He has to do something," Biden said, describing a leader searching for relevance in a post-Soviet world. "He is trying to find his place in the world between China and the west."
Biden's prediction of an invasion is the firmest acknowledgment to date the United States fully expects Putin to move after amassing 100,000 troops along the Ukraine border.


After speaking with Putin twice last month, Biden said he believed his Russian counterpart had a good understanding of the economic sanctions he was preparing to enact.
"He's never seen sanctions like the ones I promised will be imposed if he moves, number one," he said, adding the level of punishment would depend on what Russia's invasion looks like. "It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do, et cetera."
"But if they actually do what they're capable of doing with the forces amassed on the border, it is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further invade Ukraine. And that our allies and partners are ready to impose severe cost and significant harm on Russia and the Russian economy," he said.
That includes limiting Russian transactions in US financial institutions -- "anything that involves dollar denominations," Biden said.

A Ukrainian official told CNN's Matthew Chance that he is "shocked that the US President Biden would distinguish between incursion and invasion" and suggest that a minor incursion would not trigger sanctions but an invasion would.
"This gives the green light to Putin to enter Ukraine at his pleasure," the official added.
The Ukrainian official said he'd never heard any nuance like this from the US administration before.
"Kyiv is stunned," he added, referring to the Ukrainian government.
In explaining the reference to a "minor incursion" prompting a discussion among Western allies over how to respond, Biden suggested disunity with NATO could lead to debate over how to punish Russia for actions in Ukraine that fall short of a full-scale invasion.

"If there is something that is where there's Russian forces crossing the border, killing Ukrainian fighters, et cetera, I think that changes everything," the President said. "But it depends on what he does, to what extent we'll get total unity on the NATO front."
"It's very important that we keep everyone in NATO on the same page. That's what I'm spending a lot of time doing, and there are differences. There are differences in NATO as to what countries are willing to do, depending on what happens," he added.
Emily Horne, spokeswoman for Biden's National Security Council, said on Twitter that Biden "was referring to the difference between military and non-military/para-military/cyber action by the Russians. Such actions would be met by a reciprocal response, in coordination with Allies and partners."
The President also warned Russian lives would be lost in an invasion, along with potential Ukrainian casualties.
"The cost of going into Ukraine in terms of physical loss of life for the Russians -- they'll be able to prevail over time but it's going to be heavy," he said. "It's going to be real. It's going to be consequential. Putin has a stark choice. Either de-escalation or diplomacy. Confrontation and consequences."

"This is not all just a cake walk for Russia," he went on. "Militarily, they have overwhelming superiority. And as it relates to Ukraine, they'll pay a stiff price immediately, near term, medium term and long term if they do it."
Biden speculated Putin was not seeking "any full-blown war," but said he did believe he was looking for some type of confrontation.
"Do I think he'll test the west? Test the United States and NATO as significantly as he can? Yes, I think he will. But I think he'll pay a serious and dear price for it."
"He doesn't think now will cost him what it's going to cost him," he said. "And I think he'll regret having done it."
Biden later acknowledged the uncertainty surrounding the situation.
"The only thing I am confident of is that decision is totally, solely, completely Putin's decision. Nobody else is going to make that decision. No one else is going to impact that decision. He's making that decision. And I suspect it matters which side of the bed he gets up on in the morning as to exactly what he's going to do," Biden said.
He said senior US officials who had met recently with their Russian counterparts came away from the talks uncertain whether anyone aside from Putin truly knew what he planned to do.

"I believe he's calculating what the immediate short-term and the near-term and the long-term consequences of Russia will be. And I don't think he's made up his mind yet," he said.
Biden's prediction came after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday urged Ukrainians to not panic and to "calm down" over fears of a possible Russian invasion.
"All our citizens, especially the elderly, need to understand this: Everyone needs to exhale. Calm down. Don't run for emergency supplies like buckwheat and matches. To all the media: Remain as the media, not become a source of mass hysteria. Do not help the enemy in the pursuit of hype by reporting daily that war may happen tomorrow! This will definitely not stop it."
"What is new here? Is this not the reality for the past eight years? Didn't the invasion begin in 2014? Did the threat of the war emerge just now?" he said.
The only reason for "panic is that after eight years we are still influenced by this panic," he added.
Zelensky said Russia's "aim is to weaken Ukraine" in order to force Kyiv to concede to Moscow and "to create such a background that our 'no' sounds weaker."
The Ukrainian leader said Moscow is "actively attacking your nerves, not our state. So that you have a constant feeling of panic."

This story and its headline have been updated with additional reporting.
 
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thereisnofork

Veteran Member
What if the Biden admin and the globalists want this to kick off? They need a reason to crash the market, confiscate pension funds, drop the unfunded mandates. Maybe they let Russia take Ukraine, then negotiate after everything has crashed with no military response? And if China takes Taiwan, our supply chains are totally destroyed. We will be forever cleaning up the mess internally if China shuts us off. And in true fashion Biden has partially depleted the strategic oil reserve and the medical reserves. Gives them cover for the covid problems getting worse...
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This is now the lead-breaking story on the BBC, complete with an "opinion" bit that suggests NATO allies are furious that Biden put out as much information as he did about their divisions as well as the Ukraine Gaff.
Ukraine tension: Biden says he thinks Putin will 'move in'
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Joe Biden: "It is going to be a disaster for Russia if they further invade Ukraine"
US President Joe Biden has said he thinks his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin will "move in" on Ukraine, but does not want "full-blown war".

Asked at a news conference about the threat of a Russian invasion, he said: "My guess is he will move in, he has to do something."

But he warned that the Russian leader would pay a "serious and dear price" for "testing" the West.

Moscow denies planning to attack or invade but has built up its forces.

It is estimated to have about 100,000 troops close to Ukraine's borders.

Russia has made a raft of demands to Western governments, including that Ukraine should never join Nato and that the defensive alliance's military activities should be limited in member states including Poland.

Talks between the West and Russia last week failed to reach a breakthrough, with some of Moscow's demands rejected as non-starters.

Is Russia preparing to invade Ukraine?
Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean peninsula in 2014 after the overthrow of a pro-Russian government in Ukraine. It has supported pro-Russian rebels who control parts of eastern Ukraine in a bloody war with government forces.

There are fears that the conflict, which has cost at least 13,000 lives and caused at least two million people to flee their homes, may reignite, with the Russian military openly intervening.

Putin will 'test the West'
Asked for his views on Mr Putin's intentions, Mr Biden said: "Do I think he'll test the West? Test the United States and Nato as significantly as he can? Yes, I think he will but I think he'll pay a serious and dear price for it."

"He's never seen sanctions like the ones I promised will be imposed if he moves," Mr Biden said, adding that the exact level of punishment would depend on the scale of any invasion.

Asked how concerned he was about the possibility of a conflict in Ukraine sucking in neighbouring Nato states, he said: "The only war that is worse than one that's intended is when it's unintended and what I'm concerned about is that this could get out of hand.

"I am hoping that Vladimir Putin understands that he is, short of a full-blown nuclear war, he is not in a very good position to dominate the world. And so I don't think he thinks that, but it is a concern."

He also said it was "very important" Nato allies stay on the same page in the face of a potential Russian attack.

Despite delivering a stern message, Mr Biden said that the US remains open for discussions with Russia and that a summit with Mr Putin is still a "possibility."

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Geneva on Friday, after a visit to Ukraine and talks with European allies in Berlin.

Speaking in Kyiv, Mr Blinken said Russia could attack Ukraine "on very short notice" and warned again of tough sanctions if it did.

Presentational grey line
Biden blows the cover on Nato unity
Analysis box by Barbara Plett-Usher, State Department correspondent
Administration officials and Nato allies can't be happy about Biden spelling out Nato differences so publicly and clearly. The relentless public messaging has been about unity.

But the president has revealed the cracks beneath that, prompting a question about whether he's giving Putin permission for an incursion.

Now the president has clearly stated what everyone privately knew - that Nato is united on what the response should be to an invasion, but not to an incursion: "There are differences in what countries are willing to do depending on what happens.

"If Russian forces cross the border killing Ukrainians, that changes everything. It depends what he does in terms of getting unity in Nato."
 

CGTech

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Belarus

Russian forces continue to be sent to Belarus in preparations for an “exercise” that might actually lead to an invasion into Ukraine.

(Global Telegram)
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Let's not lay the ignorance label 100% on Winkin' Blinkin, in fairness. He has bosses who tell HIM what to say. USUALLY it would be POTUS. Now, whoever is pulling JB's strings are doing this. And THAT "Triumvirate" wants a war they can (almost believably) set at someone else's feet.

The very definition of a meat puppet. Or a parrot. To be so high in the powerful circles and that is all he is good for? Most of us in flyover country would never let ourselves be stuck in such a position. Integrity in an Elder Statesman used to be as prized as one's Honor and Reputation. No longer so.

Hella take all those who force us into this war, just so this old P(resident) can Reichstag his guilt, and possibly the world along with it.
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
We can't understand what Russia's core demands are even after they wrote them down and gave them to us???
Blinken is a liar and a fool, as are his handlers.

Our installed bureaucrats are used to pontificating with no tether to truth, and then being supported by a media who will spin it positively no matter how false or even ridiculous their words.

This situation desperately needs statesmanship, but we have suited idiots with no practical experience, honor or integrity.

I wouldn't let Blinken mow my yard, and yet he's our point man in negotiating what could escalate into global nuclear war.

We're threatening more severe sanctions and have been sending CIA, .mil and weapons to Ukraine to teach them to "kill Russians".

I think Russia is about to deal with our constant antagonisms in ways that we will not expect or like, and I don't think it will be at all limited to Ukraine.

If this just happens to be 38/39 then expect at least a 73 type oil embargo. I don't think it is but I am a hedger.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I think the Russians are getting ready to do an amphibious envelopment, and to do that they need the ships moving through the English Channel. That should give the Ukes about a week before all the pieces are in place.
The Russians dont have the capacity for any sort of major amphibious landing. Those 6 ships plus the 7 from the Black Sea fleet only have the capacity of about 300-350 troops each and 10-20 vehicles. That is not a lot especially if it is contested. These are ferries. They will be used to move the heavy stuff along the coast after the landing area are secured by airborne or heliborne troops. That is what they have been used for by the Russians historically.
 

Mad Spook

Contributing Member
China was NOT out "friend" back then and never has been. Taiwan threat has been
around for a very long time, but now more to the forefront. They just "acquired" our
tech, etc to now equal and surpass in recent times.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
But would a nation ready and wanting war, ever care if the Olympics are going on, or not?

Unless China is in with Russia too, THEN I could see this holding off until after the Oympics.

Putin cant afford to wait that long. We are seeing more equipment being brought in for the Ukrainians every day. More of the NATO countries are shaking the dust out of their units and gear. They are establishing more comms and intel sharing with the Ukes. The more time they have the bloodier it will be for the Russians.

It is in CHinas best interest to wait until Russia is involved. It will draw US forces away from the Pacific.
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
Well, it looks like the dem's, neocons, and war hawks are going to get their world war they have been pushing for the last 15 years or so.
 

jward

passin' thru
Rep. Elissa Slotkin
@RepSlotkin


I received a briefing this morning from @DeptofDefense on the situation in Ukraine and, without going into the classified details, I’ll just say this: it was disturbing. 1/6
Despite the fact that Putin has fabricated this entire crisis, the world is watching the U.S. response. If Russia can just invade, without significant costs, what does that say longterm to China or any other aggressor who may test Washington’s mettle? 2/6
No one wants war with Russia. But there have to be serious consequences if one nation plans to invade another. The costs must include stinging sanctions against Putin and his closest cronies, but that’s not enough. 3/6
We need to support the Ukrainian people’s fight against Russian forces and enable them to impose military costs, while ensuring we can resupply the Ukrainians in the event of a conflict. 4/6
I have no beef with the Russian people, but if their leader is going to precipitate unprovoked aggression and invade a neighbor, they should feel the pinch as well. 5/6
The Russian oligarchs that support Putin shouldn’t be able to spend their weekends shopping in Monaco and Paris — and the Administration should go further and signal our preparedness to impose costs that cut deeper into the bone to deter invasion. 6/6
 
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