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JUST IN - Ukraine's Zelenskyy is calling an urgent meeting of the National Security and Defense Council for tomorrow.
 

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Isn't there supposed to be a huge ceremony in Moscow, today for bringing these 4 sheep back into Mother Russia? Is anyone here paying attention to what Putin might say?

Putin to host ceremony annexing occupied Ukrainian territories on Friday, Kremlin says​


By Anna Chernova, Joshua Berlinger and Rob Picheta, CNN
Updated 11:52 AM EDT, Thu September 29, 2022








CNN —
Russia will on Friday begin formally annexing up to 18% of Ukrainian territory, with President Vladimir Putin expected to host a ceremony in the Kremlin to declare four occupied Ukrainian territories part of Russia.
The ceremony would take place on Friday at 15:00 local time (08:00 ET) in the Kremlin’s St. George’s Hall, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. Putin will deliver a speech and meet with Russian-backed leaders of the four occupied regions on the sidelines of the ceremony, he added.
Next week, Russia’s two houses of parliament – the State Duma and Federation Council – will consider the annexation.
Russia’s lower house of parliament, the State Duma, will meet on October 3 and 4, its chairman, Vyacheslav Volodin, said, according to RIA Novosti. The state news agency cited Volodin as saying that the State Duma’s schedule had been adjusted so the deputies could make legislative decisions based on the supposed results of the polls.
The Federation Council, Russia’s upper house, will consider the annexation of the occupied Ukrainian territories on October 4, Andrey Klishas, Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation, said in a Telegram post on Thursday.
Smoke rises in the city of Severodonetsk during heavy fighting. Russia has made capturing the city its current priority, according to Ukrainian military officials.

Russia's war is ravaging Donbas, Ukraine's beleaguered heartland. Here's what the region means to Putin

The announcements come after people in four occupied areas of Ukraine supposedly voted in huge numbers in favor of joining Russia, in five-day polls that were illegal under international law and dismissed by Kyiv and the West as a sham.
The so-called referendums were organized by Russian-backed separatists in the self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) in the eastern Donbas region, where fighting has raged since the rebels seized control of parts of Donetsk and Luhansk in 2014.
The other two areas to hold so-called referendums were Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine. Russia has occupied the two regions since shortly after it invaded the country in late February.
Vladimir Saldo, the head of the Russian-backed administration in Kherson, urged Putin to annex the region on Wednesday, following the so-called referendum there.
The Moscow-aligned leadership in all four places claimed the processes yielded massive majorities for those “voting” in favor of acceding to Russian sovereignty: 87.05% in Kherson, 93.11% in Zaporizhzhia, 98.42% in the LPR and 99.23% in the DPR.

The process was widely panned as illegitimate, as experts said it was impossible to hold a free and fair election in a war zone or occupied territory. A top United Nations official, Rosemary DiCarlo, said the votes “cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will.”
“Unilateral actions aimed to provide a veneer of legitimacy to the attempted acquisition by force by one state of another state’s territory, while claiming to represent the will of the people, cannot be regarded as legal under international law,” said DiCarlo, the UN’s under-secretary-general.
Meanwhile, the European Union on Wednesday proposed additional sanctions in retaliation for Moscow’s annexation plan, targeting “those involved in Russia occupation and illegal annexation of areas of Ukraine,” including “the proxy Russian authorities in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kherson and Zaporizhzhia and other Russian individuals who organized and facilitated the sham referenda in these four occupied territories of Ukraine.”
Workers fix a banner outside the Red Square in Moscow on Wednesday, ahead of a Kremlin-backed annexation plan of Ukrainian territory widely condemned by European leaders as illegal.

Workers fix a banner outside the Red Square in Moscow on Wednesday, ahead of a Kremlin-backed annexation plan of Ukrainian territory widely condemned by European leaders as "illegal."
Natalia Kolesnikova/AFP/Getty Images
Reports from the ground suggest that voting in the occupied regions was done essentially – and in some cases, literally – at gunpoint. Serhii Hayday, the Ukrainian head of the Luhansk region military administration, said that authorities were going door to door, trailed by armed guards, to collect votes, and that local populations were being intimidated into voting to join Russia.
The results also contradict data from before the war. An exclusive CNN poll of Ukrainians conducted in February, just before Russia’s invasion, found just 18% of Ukrainians in the east – including the Luhansk and Donetsk regions – agreed with the statement that “Russia and Ukraine should be one country,” while 16% of Ukrainians in the south, which included the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, supported it.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said Tuesday the process was a “farce” that “cannot even be called an imitation of referendums.”
Zelensky also accused Russia of attempting to use the same strategy as it did when Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014. A referendum organized there, which officially saw 97% of voters back annexation, was ratified by Russian lawmakers within a week. Much of the international community did not respect that outcome, and it appears they will do the same with Tuesday’s results.
Separatist leaders from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics in Moscow, Russia on September 29.

Separatist leaders from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics in Moscow, Russia on September 29.
Kirill Stremousov
Some of the separatist leaders involved in carrying out sham referendums to secede from Ukraine and join Russia landed in Moscow Thursday, according to a photograph posted by the Russia-appointed deputy head of the Kherson regional military administration Kirill Stremousov.
LPR chief Leonid Pasechnik told Russian state news agency TASS Thursday he was also in the Russian capital.
Reuters said Thursday that a stage with giant video screens has been set up on Red Square, alongside billboards proclaiming “Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson - Russia!.” TASS had previously reported that a rally would be held in front of the Kremlin on Friday in support of the poll results of the so-called referendums.
Ukrainian service members unpack Javelin anti-tank missiles that were delivered to Kyiv on February 10 as part of a US military support package for Ukraine.



Ukrainian service members walk on an armored fighting vehicle during a training exercise in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region on February 10.



Head of the separatist self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin, left, and Secretary of the United Russia Party's General Council Andrey Turchak attend a news conference on preliminary <a href=https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-28-22/h_8def30f207fe9997f5a09a7144e0afaf target=_blank>results of a referendum on the joining of the DPR to Russia,</a> in Donetsk, Ukraine, on September 27.

Alexander Ermochenko/Reuters
Head of the separatist self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin, left, and Secretary of the United Russia Party's General Council Andrey Turchak attend a news conference on preliminary results of a referendum on the joining of the DPR to Russia, in Donetsk, Ukraine, on September 27.
Anton Krasyvyi rows passengers across the Siverskyi-Donets river in front of a destroyed bridge, so they can visit relatives in Staryi-Saltiv, Ukraine, on September 27.






Feared military escalation​

Alhough the results of the Russian-backed referendums are unsurprising, there is concern Russia’s attempts to assert sovereignty over Ukrainian territory could portend a dangerous escalation in the seven-month-long war.
The Kremlin is expected to treat the territories as though they are parts of Russia, warning that it would defend them as such – signaling a potential military escalation once the Ukrainian Army attempts to reclaim them.
In an address on September 21, Putin raised the specter of nuclear weapons, saying he would use “all the means at our disposal” if he deemed the “territorial integrity” of Russia to be jeopardized.
Head of the central electoral commission of the self-proclaimed Donetsk people's republic Vladimir Vysotsky visits a polling station ahead of the planned referendum on the joining of the Donetsk people's republic to Russia, in Donetsk, Ukraine September 22, 2022. REUTERS/Alexander Ermochenko

Russian forces have staged illegal 'referendums' in Ukraine. What comes next?

The so-called referendums came after a sudden and successful Ukrainian offensive through most of the occupied Kharkiv region swung momentum in the conflict back towards Kyiv this month, galvanizing Ukraine’s Western backers and causing anger in Russia, which has time and again been stymied on the battlefield.
With losses piling up, Putin has enacted a “partial mobilization” of Russian citizens, meaning those who are in the reserve could be called up and nationals with military experience would be subject to conscription – and potentially sent to defend the illegally annexed territories. At the outset of the conflict, Putin was careful to emphasize that the military assault, euphemistically referred to as a “special military operation,” would only be fought by military professionals.
More than 200,000 people have traveled from Russia into Georgia, Kazakhstan and the EU since the announcement. Upwards of 50,000 Russians have fled to Finland and at least 100,000 have crossed into Kazakhstan. Images from crossings into Finland, Georgia and Mongolia show massive traffic jams on the Russian side of each border.
Protests against the partial mobilization have broken out in some of Russia’s ethnic minority regions. Ukrainian officials, including Zelensky, have alleged that Russia is forcibly drafting domestic protesters; entire segments of male populations in remote villages; and fighting-age men from minority communities as well as occupied territories in Ukraine. A Ukrainian mayor-in-exile alleged Russia was conscripting his constituents to “use them as cannon fodder.”
CNN has been unable to verify these claims. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/29/europe/russia-ukraine-annexation-intl/index.html
 

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Our sources report: #Lukashenko agreed to deploy 120K soldiers during November-February. undertakes to supply 100K mobilized soldiers in addition. Lukashenko is preparing for a full-scale war. The West must issue an ultimatum he cannot refuse
View: https://twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1575450978685444104?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg
well, when you look at the map, Belarus is surrounded.
 

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It appears that Moscow’s illegal annexation of 4 Ukrainian territories will happen very soon – possibly tomorrow. There's a great deal of uncertainty for what comes next, but I'll share my thoughts on next steps and how mobilized forces aid the Kremlin's goals (or not).

As I wrote, Russia needs intense fighting to end ASAP. Through annexation, Russia will attempt to “force a rapid end to this phase of the war, stymie Western support for Ukraine, and buy itself time to repair and regenerate its military" (/2)
View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1575519719720894465?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg


It is possible that soon after illegal annexation, the Kremlin could offer Ukraine a “ceasefire” along the line of contact, to try to freeze the conflict. This would be an unacceptable deal for Kyiv - Kyiv has signaled it will not accept annexation. (/3)
View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1575519722690400263?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg


If Ukraine and its supporters ignore ‘ceasefires’ that are covers for freezing the conflict, the Kremlin could portray Kyiv as an ‘aggressor’ to the Russian population-- particularly important for them now that mobilization is declared and they need multiple justifications(/4)

Something else to watch for: the nuclear card. Kremlin officials already hinted that Russia’s nuclear guarantees would apply to what they illegally claim as Russian territory. The Kremlin did this after annexing Crimea also (/5)
View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1575519727723716609?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg


Russia’s plan relies on shocking Kyiv and Ukraine’s supporters with the threat of escalation to get them to stop. One problem though for Russia’s plan: Ukraine and its supporters are prepared to continue their efforts. (/6)

The Russian military is at its weakest point so far in the war, before it attempts to regenerate in the months and years ahead. Pressing on makes sense for Kyiv and supporters, and also... (/7)

...I am concerned about where all this is heading, and how the Kremlin will respond and lash out when its annexation ploy is ignored. Their reaction will be contingent on a few different factors, and hard to predict just yet. Nukes are not the first step in escalation (/8).

Mobilization: through the end of 2022 Ukraine is working to prevent the conflict from ossifying along a frozen line of contact, while Russia is committed to precisely that outcome and holding what it has taken (/9)
View: https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1575519735495671810?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg


Russia’s mobilization base has been neglected for a decade and will struggle in many respects. However, it is capable of introducing personnel into Ukraine in the coming weeks – not trained, prepared or equipped - but it is ingesting a large number of people at present (/10)

Mobilization *could* help Russia hold on to what it has taken from Ukraine, if mobilized forces are used in auxiliary roles in the occupied territories – for checkpoints, logistics, as drivers, etc. They could free up other (exhausted) soldiers for the line of contact. (/11)

Or they could commit hastily trained mobilized personnel other ways, like feeding them into depleted units along the LOC in an attempt to stabilize its lines with questionable efficacy. I suspect they will do a bit of both approaches - rear support and push to the front. (/12)

The longer term challenges will be regenerating armored units from long term storage. Others who follow the UAF closely know they have challenges here too. (/13)

Events are likely to happen fast. I recommend following experts on Ukrainian and Russian politics for more insights like @VolodymDubovyk
@ElenaChernenko
@Stanovaya
@DrRadchenko
and many others for their thoughts. (/end)
 

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NEW: Radek Sikorski, member of European Parliament and Polish politician, has deleted the viral "Thank you, USA" tweet
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
you do the same all the time so you should not be surprised.

tell you what, how about a negotiated settlement.
How about I put you on ignore and you put me on ignore
and we'll call it even
Wow. Okay. You got it. I have been nothing but honest, and hate passive-aggressive bullshit as much as the next guy. I truly 100% don't know where I've ever lied to you or anyone else on this forum. Good luck providing evidence of such.

There are times where I have been wrong about things I've said, and have been man enough to admit it when shown the reality.
 

jward

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~Update: UN Chief Guterres: Any decision to annex Ukrainian territory to the Russian Federation is worthless.


~Putin says conflicts in Ukraine, ex-USSR are 'result of the collapse of the Soviet Union' - AFP

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~Putin: Our opponents are ready to provoke revolutions

~Ukrainian intelligence considers threat of use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia ‘very high’
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575516589037916160?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg
 

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NEW: Radek Sikorski, member of European Parliament and Polish politician, has deleted the viral "Thank you, USA" tweet

A little too late for that, eh? ;)

Is it not amazing the extreme stupidity of people to post something sensitive on the web without thinking thru the consequences? :eye:

People really got to learn the 24 hour rule before doing stuff like that. :)
 

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Putin to host ceremony annexing occupied Ukrainian territories on Friday, Kremlin says​


By Anna Chernova, Joshua Berlinger and Rob Picheta, CNN
Updated 11:52 AM EDT, Thu September 29, 2022








CNN —
Russia will on Friday begin formally annexing up to 18% of Ukrainian territory, with President Vladimir Putin expected to host a ceremony in the Kremlin to declare four occupied Ukrainian territories part of Russia.
The ceremony would take place on Friday at 15:00 local time (08:00 ET) in the Kremlin’s St. George’s Hall, Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. Putin will deliver a speech and meet with Russian-backed leaders of the four occupied regions on the sidelines of the ceremony, he added.
Next week, Russia’s two houses of parliament – the State Duma and Federation Council – will consider the annexation.
Russia’s lower house of parliament, the State Duma, will meet on October 3 and 4, its chairman, Vyacheslav Volodin, said, according to RIA Novosti. The state news agency cited Volodin as saying that the State Duma’s schedule had been adjusted so the deputies could make legislative decisions based on the supposed results of the polls.
The Federation Council, Russia’s upper house, will consider the annexation of the occupied Ukrainian territories on October 4, Andrey Klishas, Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation, said in a Telegram post on Thursday.
Smoke rises in the city of Severodonetsk during heavy fighting. Russia has made capturing the city its current priority, according to Ukrainian military officials.
Russia's war is ravaging Donbas, Ukraine's beleaguered heartland. Here's what the region means to Putin
The announcements come after people in four occupied areas of Ukraine supposedly voted in huge numbers in favor of joining Russia, in five-day polls that were illegal under international law and dismissed by Kyiv and the West as a sham.
The so-called referendums were organized by Russian-backed separatists in the self-declared Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) in the eastern Donbas region, where fighting has raged since the rebels seized control of parts of Donetsk and Luhansk in 2014.
The other two areas to hold so-called referendums were Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine. Russia has occupied the two regions since shortly after it invaded the country in late February.
Vladimir Saldo, the head of the Russian-backed administration in Kherson, urged Putin to annex the region on Wednesday, following the so-called referendum there.
The Moscow-aligned leadership in all four places claimed the processes yielded massive majorities for those “voting” in favor of acceding to Russian sovereignty: 87.05% in Kherson, 93.11% in Zaporizhzhia, 98.42% in the LPR and 99.23% in the DPR.

The process was widely panned as illegitimate, as experts said it was impossible to hold a free and fair election in a war zone or occupied territory. A top United Nations official, Rosemary DiCarlo, said the votes “cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will.”
“Unilateral actions aimed to provide a veneer of legitimacy to the attempted acquisition by force by one state of another state’s territory, while claiming to represent the will of the people, cannot be regarded as legal under international law,” said DiCarlo, the UN’s under-secretary-general.
Meanwhile, the European Union on Wednesday proposed additional sanctions in retaliation for Moscow’s annexation plan, targeting “those involved in Russia occupation and illegal annexation of areas of Ukraine,” including “the proxy Russian authorities in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kherson and Zaporizhzhia and other Russian individuals who organized and facilitated the sham referenda in these four occupied territories of Ukraine.”
Workers fix a banner outside the Red Square in Moscow on Wednesday, ahead of a Kremlin-backed annexation plan of Ukrainian territory widely condemned by European leaders as illegal.

Workers fix a banner outside the Red Square in Moscow on Wednesday, ahead of a Kremlin-backed annexation plan of Ukrainian territory widely condemned by European leaders as "illegal."
Natalia Kolesnikova/AFP/Getty Images
Reports from the ground suggest that voting in the occupied regions was done essentially – and in some cases, literally – at gunpoint. Serhii Hayday, the Ukrainian head of the Luhansk region military administration, said that authorities were going door to door, trailed by armed guards, to collect votes, and that local populations were being intimidated into voting to join Russia.
The results also contradict data from before the war. An exclusive CNN poll of Ukrainians conducted in February, just before Russia’s invasion, found just 18% of Ukrainians in the east – including the Luhansk and Donetsk regions – agreed with the statement that “Russia and Ukraine should be one country,” while 16% of Ukrainians in the south, which included the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, supported it.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said Tuesday the process was a “farce” that “cannot even be called an imitation of referendums.”
Zelensky also accused Russia of attempting to use the same strategy as it did when Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014. A referendum organized there, which officially saw 97% of voters back annexation, was ratified by Russian lawmakers within a week. Much of the international community did not respect that outcome, and it appears they will do the same with Tuesday’s results.
Separatist leaders from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics in Moscow, Russia on September 29.'s Republics in Moscow, Russia on September 29.

Separatist leaders from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics in Moscow, Russia on September 29.
Kirill Stremousov
Some of the separatist leaders involved in carrying out sham referendums to secede from Ukraine and join Russia landed in Moscow Thursday, according to a photograph posted by the Russia-appointed deputy head of the Kherson regional military administration Kirill Stremousov.
LPR chief Leonid Pasechnik told Russian state news agency TASS Thursday he was also in the Russian capital.
Reuters said Thursday that a stage with giant video screens has been set up on Red Square, alongside billboards proclaiming “Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson - Russia!.” TASS had previously reported that a rally would be held in front of the Kremlin on Friday in support of the poll results of the so-called referendums.
Ukrainian service members unpack Javelin anti-tank missiles that were delivered to Kyiv on February 10 as part of a US military support package for Ukraine.



Ukrainian service members walk on an armored fighting vehicle during a training exercise in eastern Ukraine's Donetsk region on February 10.'s Donetsk region on February 10.



Head of the separatist self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin, left, and Secretary of the United Russia Party's General Council Andrey Turchak attend a news conference on preliminary <a href=https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-28-22/h_8def30f207fe9997f5a09a7144e0afaf target=_blank>results of a referendum on the joining of the DPR to Russia,</a> in Donetsk, Ukraine, on September 27.'s Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin, left, and Secretary of the United Russia Party's General Council Andrey Turchak attend a news conference on preliminary <a href=https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-28-22/h_8def30f207fe9997f5a09a7144e0afaf target=_blank>results of a referendum on the joining of the DPR to Russia,</a> in Donetsk, Ukraine, on September 27.

Alexander Ermochenko/Reuters
Head of the separatist self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin, left, and Secretary of the United Russia Party's General Council Andrey Turchak attend a news conference on preliminary results of a referendum on the joining of the DPR to Russia, in Donetsk, Ukraine, on September 27.
Anton Krasyvyi rows passengers across the Siverskyi-Donets river in front of a destroyed bridge, so they can visit relatives in Staryi-Saltiv, Ukraine, on September 27.






Feared military escalation​

Alhough the results of the Russian-backed referendums are unsurprising, there is concern Russia’s attempts to assert sovereignty over Ukrainian territory could portend a dangerous escalation in the seven-month-long war.
The Kremlin is expected to treat the territories as though they are parts of Russia, warning that it would defend them as such – signaling a potential military escalation once the Ukrainian Army attempts to reclaim them.
In an address on September 21, Putin raised the specter of nuclear weapons, saying he would use “all the means at our disposal” if he deemed the “territorial integrity” of Russia to be jeopardized.
Head of the central electoral commission of the self-proclaimed Donetsk people's republic Vladimir Vysotsky visits a polling station ahead of the planned referendum on the joining of the Donetsk people's republic to Russia, in Donetsk, Ukraine September 22, 2022. REUTERS/Alexander Ermochenko's republic Vladimir Vysotsky visits a polling station ahead of the planned referendum on the joining of the Donetsk people's republic to Russia, in Donetsk, Ukraine September 22, 2022. REUTERS/Alexander Ermochenko
Russian forces have staged illegal 'referendums' in Ukraine. What comes next?
The so-called referendums came after a sudden and successful Ukrainian offensive through most of the occupied Kharkiv region swung momentum in the conflict back towards Kyiv this month, galvanizing Ukraine’s Western backers and causing anger in Russia, which has time and again been stymied on the battlefield.
With losses piling up, Putin has enacted a “partial mobilization” of Russian citizens, meaning those who are in the reserve could be called up and nationals with military experience would be subject to conscription – and potentially sent to defend the illegally annexed territories. At the outset of the conflict, Putin was careful to emphasize that the military assault, euphemistically referred to as a “special military operation,” would only be fought by military professionals.
More than 200,000 people have traveled from Russia into Georgia, Kazakhstan and the EU since the announcement. Upwards of 50,000 Russians have fled to Finland and at least 100,000 have crossed into Kazakhstan. Images from crossings into Finland, Georgia and Mongolia show massive traffic jams on the Russian side of each border.
Protests against the partial mobilization have broken out in some of Russia’s ethnic minority regions. Ukrainian officials, including Zelensky, have alleged that Russia is forcibly drafting domestic protesters; entire segments of male populations in remote villages; and fighting-age men from minority communities as well as occupied territories in Ukraine. A Ukrainian mayor-in-exile alleged Russia was conscripting his constituents to “use them as cannon fodder.”
CNN has been unable to verify these claims. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/29/europe/russia-ukraine-annexation-intl/index.html

Thanks, DB. I thought it was taking place, today, sometime.
 

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Your logic is based on the concept of sovereignty. So lets examine that.

When Obama launched 200 cruise missiles into Libya because Gaddafi was oppressive during Arab Spring, that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.
And when it was discovered that this was actually done in order to establish a covert base in Benghazi in order to smuggle arms into Syria that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.
And when those arms were smuggled into Syria in order to arm ISIS in the overthrow of the Syrian government that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.
And when we invented a story about yellow cake in order to invade Iraq and murder Hussain that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.
And when we invade Afghanistan in order to punish Saudi Arabian terrorists for blowing up the World Trade Center that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.
And when we promulgated the Maiden Revolution and overthrew the democratically elected, Russian puppets and replaced them with out puppets and supplied training and material support for an eight year civil war against the Russian speaking people of the sovereign states of Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia that was not a violation of sovereignty because . . . we said so.

In order for sovereignty to be a valid justification it must be valid for everyone or it is not valid for anyone.

Sovereignty and freedom are great concepts as long as you have the military strength to enforce it.
Good point! Possession is 9/10ths of the law.

BTW

Can we add the bombing of Serbia during the NATO nation building exercise called Kosovo?

Because Clinton said so.
 

TheSearcher

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~Update: UN Chief Guterres: Any decision to annex Ukrainian territory to the Russian Federation is worthless.


~Putin says conflicts in Ukraine, ex-USSR are 'result of the collapse of the Soviet Union' - AFP

~Apex
@Apex_WW
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~Putin: Our opponents are ready to provoke revolutions

~Ukrainian intelligence considers threat of use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia ‘very high’
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1575516589037916160?s=20&t=7Me0pLArRzljWd2tLtNQBg
This reminds me that I need to test out my new folding stove...
 

jward

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Isn't there supposed to be a huge ceremony in Moscow, today, for bringing these 4 sheep back into Mother Russia? Is anyone here paying attention to what Putin might say?
EndGameWW3
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Tomorrow at 15:00 (12:00 GMT) in the St George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace a signing ceremony will be held on incorporating the new territories into Russia.

12:06 PM · Sep 29, 2022
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jward

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EndGameWW3
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Head of UN says we need to step back from the brink...

Update: Guterres: Now more than ever, it is time to step back from the brink and work must be done to end the devastating war in Ukraine.

Both sides the West and East knew where this was going to all lead to in Ukraine. Agendas are for the rich and death is for the poor.

People still don't understand, this isn't Russia vs Ukraine, this is one world order vs the other. People really need to see the bigger picture.

11:18 AM · Sep 29, 2022
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SouthernBreeze

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Tomorrow at 15:00 (12:00 GMT) in the St George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace a signing ceremony will be held on incorporating the new territories into Russia.

12:06 PM · Sep 29, 2022
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Thank you. Like I told DB, I thought it was today.
 

jward

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U.S. Army Major, doctor wife charged in plot to give U.S. military medical info to Russians, CNBC reports.

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Army's first trans officer and Johns Hopkins doctor wife are indicted on SPY charges: Tried to pass medical records to Russians of senior officers at Fort Bragg - the home of Delta Force and special operations
View: https://twitter.com/Heminator/status/1575523918131171329?s=20&t=k0ssqeyDjMB4GBC_qTf3hg
 

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