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As I said yesterday, there are no clean hands.
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onetimer
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SENIOR U.S. ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: BLINKEN TOLD WANG THERE WOULD BE IMPLICATIONS FOR CHINA, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY, THAT MATERIALLY SUPPORTS RUSSIA;'S UKRAINE INVASION, OR ASSISTS IN EVASION OF SANCTIONS
10:15 AM · Sep 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
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SENIOR U.S. ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: BLINKEN TOLD WANG THERE WOULD BE IMPLICATIONS FOR CHINA, OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY, THAT MATERIALLY SUPPORTS RUSSIA;'S UKRAINE INVASION, OR ASSISTS IN EVASION OF SANCTIONS
10:15 AM · Sep 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
Capt. Eddie
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Oh swell, so now we're trying to get into a proxy war with China too. Just awesome strategy there Brandon. /sarc
onetimer
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Abracadabra Poof! "You're soldiers now!"
Patrick Reevell
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Another revealing video. Scene inside a mustering station in Russia where an officer yells at angry, resentful men who have been mobilized. “That’s it- playtime’s over. You’re soldiers now!”
View: https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1573272879655010306
Patrick Reevell
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Another revealing video. Scene inside a mustering station in Russia where an officer yells at angry, resentful men who have been mobilized. “That’s it- playtime’s over. You’re soldiers now!”
View: https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1573272879655010306
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Ex-CIA Ray McGovern: Conditioned For War With Russia
BY TYLER DURDENZERO HEDGE
FRIDAY, SEP 23, 2022 - 02:45 PM
Authored by Ray McGovern via Consortium News,
Thanks to Establishment media, the sorcerer apprentices advising President Joe Biden — I refer to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, National Security Advisor Jacob Sullivan and China specialist Kurt Campbell – will have no trouble rallying Americans for the widest war in 77 years, starting in Ukraine, and maybe spreading to China. And, shockingly, under false pretenses.
Most Americans are oblivious to the reality that Western media are owned and operated by the same corporations that make massive profits by helping to stoke small wars and then peddling the necessary weapons. Corporate leaders and Ivy-mantled elites, educated to believe in U.S. “exceptionalism,” find the lucre and the luster too lucrative to be able to think straight. They deceive themselves into thinking that (a) the U.S. cannot lose a war; (b) escalation can be calibrated and wider war can be limited to Europe; and (c) China can be expected to just sit on the sidelines. The attitude, consciously or unconsciously, “Not to worry. And, in any case, the lucre and luster are worth the risk.”
The media also know they can always trot out died-in-the-wool Russophobes to “explain,” for example, why the Russians are “almost genetically driven” to do evil (James Clapper, former national intelligence director and now hired savant on CNN); or Fiona Hill (former national intelligence officer for Russia), who insists “Putin wants to evict the United States from Europe … As he might put it: “Goodbye, America. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.”
Jan.16, 2017: Then US Vice President Joe Biden traveling to Kiev. Image: US.Embassy Kyiv, Flickr.
Absent a miraculous appearance of clearer heads with a less benighted attitude toward the core interests of Russia in Ukraine, and China in Taiwan, historians who survive to record the war now on our doorstep will describe it as the result of hubris and stupidity run amok. Objective historians may even note that one of their colleagues – Professor John Mearsheimer – got it right from the start, when he explained in the autumn 2014 issue of Foreign Affairs “Why the Ukraine Crisis is the West’s Fault.”
Historian Barbara Tuchman addressed the kind of situation the world faces in Ukraine in her book The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam. (Had she lived, she surely would have updated it to take Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine into account). Tuchman wrote:
‘Nyet Means Nyet’
Thanks to U.S. media, a very small percentage of Americans know that:
- Fourteen years ago, then U.S. Ambassador to Russia (current C.I.A. Director) William Burns was warned by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov that Russia might have to intervene in Ukraine, if it were made a member of NATO. The subject line of Burns’ Feb. 1, 2008, Embassy Moscow cable (#182) to Washington makes it clear that Burns did not mince Lavrov’s words. It stated: “Nyet means nyet: Russia’s NATO enlargement redlines.” Thus, Washington policymakers were given forewarning, in very specific terms, of Russia’s redline regarding membership for Ukraine in NATO. Nevertheless, on April 3, 2008, a NATO summit in Bucharest asserted: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.”
- Eight years ago, on Feb. 22, 2014, the U.S. orchestrated a coup in Kiev — rightly labeled “the most blatant coup in history,” insofar as it had already been blown on YouTube 18 days prior. Kiev’s spanking new leaders, handpicked and identified by name by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in the YouTube-publicized conversation with the U.S. ambassador in Kiev, immediately called for Ukraine to join NATO.
- Six years ago, in June 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin told Western reporters of his concern that so-called antiballistic missiles sites in Romania and Poland could be converted overnight to accommodate offensive strike missiles posing a threat to Russia’s own nuclear forces. (See this unique video, with English subtitles, from minute 37 to 49.) There is a direct analogy with the 1962 Cuban missile crisis when Moscow put offensive strike missiles in Cuba and President John Kennedy reacted strongly to the existential threat that posed to the U.S.
- On Dec. 21, 2021, Putin told his most senior military leaders: “It is extremely alarming that elements of the U.S. global defense system are being deployed near Russia. The Mk 41 launchers, which are located in Romania and are to be deployed in Poland, are adapted for launching the Tomahawk strike missiles. If this infrastructure continues to move forward, and if U.S. and NATO missile systems are deployed in Ukraine, their flight time to Moscow will be only seven to 10 minutes, or even five minutes for hypersonic systems. This is a huge challenge for us, for our security.” [Emphasis added.]
- On Dec. 30, 2021, Biden and Putin talked by phone at Putin’s urgent request. The Kremlin readout stated: “Joseph Biden emphasized that Russia and the U.S. shared a special responsibility for ensuring stability in Europe and the whole world and that Washington had no intention of deploying offensive strike weapons in Ukraine.” Yuri Ushakov, a top foreign policy adviser to Putin, pointed out that this was also one of the goals Moscow hoped to achieve with its proposals for security guarantees to the U.S. and NATO. [Emphasis added.]
- On Feb. 12, Ushakov briefed the media on the telephone conversation between Putin and Biden earlier that day. “The call was as a follow-up of sorts to the … December 30 telephone conversation. … The Russian President made clear that President Biden’s proposals did not really address the central, key elements of Russia’s initiatives either with regards to non-expansion of NATO, or non-deployment of strike weapons systems on Ukrainian territory … To these items, we have received no meaningful response.” [Emphasis added.]
- On Feb. 24, Russia invaded Ukraine.
The U.S. insists that Russia’s invasion was “unprovoked.” Establishment media dutifully regurgitate that line, while keeping Americans in the dark about such facts (not opinion) as are outlined (and sourced) above. Most Americans are just as taken in by the media as they were 20 years ago, when they were told there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They simply took it on faith. Nor did the guilty media express remorse — or a modicum of embarrassment.
June 2014, Left to right: U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Ukraine’s post-coup President Petro Poroshenko, U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt Pyatt and Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs. (State Department)
The late Fred Hiatt, who was op-ed editor at The Washington Post, is a case in point. In an interview with The Columbia Journalism Review [CJR, March/April 2004] he commented: “If you look at the editorials we wrote running up [to the war], we state as flat fact that he [Saddam Hussein] has weapons of mass destruction. … If that’s not true, it would have been better not to say it.”
(My journalism mentor, Robert Parry, had this to say about Hiatt’s remark. “Yes, that is a common principle of journalism, that if something isn’t real, we’re not supposed to confidently declare that it is.”)
It’s worse now. Russia is not Iraq. And Putin has been so demonized over the past six years that people are inclined to believe the likes of James Clapper to the effect there’s something genetic that makes Russians evil. “Russia-gate” was a big con (and, now, demonstrably so), but Americans don’t know that either. The consequences of prolonged demonization are extremely dangerous – and will become even more so in the next several weeks as politicians vie to be the strongest in opposing and countering Russia’s “unprovoked” attack on Ukraine.
Humorist Will Rogers had it right: “The problem ain’t what people know. It’s what people know that ain’t so; that’s the problem.”
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jward
passin' thru
My point was, irrespective of which ever endgame dajour is in vogue at a given time, those behind the curtains, weilding the actual power and pulling chains and causing events to occur, have obviously made the calculus that some form of nuclear engagement is acceptable (or worse yet, one of the goals of?!!) this proxy war that they're orchestrating.
I find it an astonishing mix of hubris and stupidity that they would free that beast, and believe it will stay leashed, and return to it's box upon command. I fully expect they'll learn that they meet the same devastation as they've meted out.
As to endgames, we've covered the gamut, from VP's suggestion it's for the resources, and coz ukraine is small and mean ole RU is big bully, to Putin's got a white hat and is destroying biolabs, Nato encroachment, warm water ports, M/MIC wanted it's coffers full, the big guy wanted to launder some mo money etcetcetc.
My new favorite musing has me wondering if the Nihilistic wild eyed true believers haven't grabbed for the reins, and are not trying to steer us all to an ignoble end.
Time will tell. Hopefully we won't be reduced to reading that tale in ochre upon the cave walls, once it does.
von Koehler
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I wonder if the rumors about Putin's health are true or are just propaganda?
A dictator who knows his time is slipping away will go for broke, as he literally has nothing left to lose.
A dictator who knows his time is slipping away will go for broke, as he literally has nothing left to lose.
northern watch
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Those other countries are North Korea, Iran to name some.
I find it very rich for Blinken to make those kinds of statements considering how weak the US is. Example, the US cannot fight two major wars at once.
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Wow, replace with English and this could be a US draftee receiving station during Nam.
Ours had the same behavior as these poor souls.
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
These men know their fate; they're cannon fodder.
Realistically, their only hope is to surrender to the first Ukrainian they see. Or frag their officers.
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jward
passin' thru
apparently Z's whining works
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Israel will provide Ukraine with equipment to combat Iranian drones, – The Times of Israel reports.
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4h
Israel will provide Ukraine with equipment to combat Iranian drones, – The Times of Israel reports.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Who are the "both parties" that you are referring to? (may seem rhetorical, but is fundamentally germane to your question)
intothegoodnight
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I know one of those who ran away to Canada and is still there!
My point was,
I had to modify your statement in order to eliminate the qualifiers.
Once I did, I find we are in agreement.
Those behind the curtains have made the calculus that nuclear engagement is acceptable.
The WEF true believers are trying to steer the world into Nuclear War.
Mutual Assured Destruction is no longer our doctrine.
Limited Nuclear Engagement IS.
Now someone needs to explain it to Putin . . . who is not yet on board.
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Chaos in Odessa: Swarm of Iranian drones bomb Ukrainian targets – First mass attack Shahed 136 (video)
Ukraine asks for help from Israel
23/09/2022 - 19:30War News
Chaos reigns in Odessa as the Russian Army first sent a swarm of Iranian shahed 136 "kamikaze" drones coded as Geran-2. Several Ukrainian military targets and the port of Odessa have been hit.
From the attacks there is a wealth of audiovisual material.
Iranian drones hit targets in other areas in Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog. It seems that Ukraine is in serious trouble. Kiev asked Israel for help in dealing with Iranian drones.
In more detail, a few minutes ago, Russia used Iranian Geran-2 drones (Shahed 136) against several government and military installations in the city of Odessa. The Ukrainians tried unsuccessfully to shoot them down using machine guns and rifles, .
Earlier, Iranian drones also hit a tugboat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the port of Ochakov, in the Nikolaev region, while a building in Krivoy Rog was also bombed.
One of the kamikaze drones hit an administrative building on the territory of the port of Odessa. In this building, as it became known, military planning was carried out against the Russian Army including the launch of drones towards the Crimea.
Geranium-2, dived towards the roof of the building. Immediately afterwards there was an explosion and a fire broke out.
Kiev asked Israel for help
The use of Iranian drones by the Russian Army is beginning to seriously concern Kiev. Information indicates that the Ukrainian side turned to Israel asking to provide the necessary information about the supply of Iranian weapons to Russia and to establish a channel of dialogue to discuss these issues.For this reason Simona Halperin, head of the Eurasian Department of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, went to Kiev in early September. In the Ukrainian capital, he met with The Special Representative of Ukraine for the Middle East and North Africa Maksim Subkh, who called on Israel to provide military assistance to Ukraine and participate in the anti-Russian sanctions.
One of the Ukrainian officials said the Israeli side shares important information with Ukraine, but Kiev needs more data, particularly about Iranian Shahed-136 drones and ways to protect against them.
Meanwhile, as U.S. army chief Cam McMillan noted in an interview, Iranian kamikaze drones are very difficult to defeat by air defense systems. Shahed-136 UAVs are sent directly to the target while carrying an explosive payload.
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Χάος επικρατεί στην Οδησσό καθώς ο ρωσικός Στρατός έστειλε για πρώτη φορά σμήνος ιρανικών drones "καμικάζι" Shahed 136 κωδικοποιημένα ως
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jward
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Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed'
Gerrard Kaonga
hmm. maybe my supposition it may be the wild eyed Nihilist holding the reins wasn't too terribly far outta the ballpark
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Russia State TV Warns The West If They Are Pushed Into A Corner Everybody Dies
Russian state TV hosts and guests have warned the West that if they feel Russia has been pushed into a corner they will ensure "everyone will be destroyed."
The rhetoric surrounding the war in Ukraine has been escalated by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who gave a speech earlier this week. In the pre-recorded statement on Wednesday, he announced the partial mobilization of Russians to go fight in Ukraine.
In addition, Putin warned the West that Russia wasn't bluffing about the use of nuclear weapons being used if Ukraine continues to receive support.
Military expert Igor Korotchenko and state TV host Olga Skabeeva agreed that Russia would use nuclear weapons if they felt Russia was under threat of being destroyed.
The video has also gone viral with over 160,000 views, after being posted by the Daily Beast's Julia Davis.
Korotchenko said: "The only thing the West fears today is the possibility of Russia using its tactical nuclear weapons.
"In this regard, the words uttered by Vladimir Putin are very valuable nonetheless.
"In the West they're considering them and analyzing what would be the circumstances for Russia to use such an argument in order to avoid any scenarios that Moscow would consider to be unacceptable."
"The West has to understand: if certain weapons exist, taboos and limitations on using them could be lifted in certain circumstances."
The host went on to defend Russia's position regarding Ukraine and said the country was not looking for conflict.
"What do they want? They want a victory over Russia," Skabeeva said.
"It is impossible to defeat Russia without a nuclear explosion. It's out of the question.
"We will not allow the destruction of our country, if you're trying to destroy us, you will be destroyed along with us.
"What are our next actions? [Striking] the decision-making centers? In Kyiv, London, Washington - where?
"What should we do to avoid the nuclear war, or is it already a given? It certainly seems that way.
"If they don't stop, it will become a reality. What is the goal of the collective West?
"The victory of Ukraine and the defeat of Russia. As long as the Russian Federation has nukes, [and we do], its defeat is impossible.
"Push us into the corner- everyone will be destroyed. Is that what they're trying to achieve?
"Putin said it so succinctly, so clearly. We aren't threatening, we don't want war. We're the first in line to stop it.
"We don't want a nuclear winter or nuclear war, But if you declare that we will be destroyed, we will have to destroy you."
Newsweek has contacted Russia's ministry of foreign affairs for comment.
Russian President Vladimir Putin gives a speech during an event to mark the anniversary of Russia's statehood in Veliky Novgorod on September 21, 2022. Russian state TV hosts and guests have warned the West that if they feel Russia has been pushed into a corner they will ensure 'everyone will be destroyed.' Ilya Pitalev/Getty
Nuclear war "already a given," says Russian TV: "Everyone will be destroyed"
The Russian state TV host agreed with Vladimir Putin that Russia would be prepared to use nuclear weapons if they felt it was necessary to defend their country.
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"Bomb" of Russian analyst: 1,200,000 reservists are being prepared for military involvement outside Ukraine as well – Recruitment offices opened in Serbia...
"Serbs will fight for orthodox values together with Russia"
23/09/2022 - 22:3War News 24 / 7
Russian analysts and military experts confirm that the number of civilians who will be recruited in the first phase will reach even 1,200,000! The same sources say they hope this number will not rise further as Moscow prepares for fighting on multiple fronts.
The scenario of the union of the Russian world seems to be at the back of V. Putin's mind. Russian analysts speak directly about military involvement outside Ukraine in Central Asia, Transcaucasia, Transnistria over a period of 2-3 years.
A necessary condition is first that the Ukraine affair ends and that Kharkiv, Nikolaev and Odessa are also taken after the Donbass affair is over.
Russia plans to recruit 1,200,000 reservists
Russian authorities plan to recruit 1.2 million people for their "partial mobilization."In addition, a source close to moscow's leadership told Russian media Meduza that up to 16,000 people from the capital are to be recruited. This was confirmed by a source close to one of Russia's federal ministries.
Authorities in St. Petersburg plan to call about 3,200 people, according to a source close to the President's Envoy in Russia's Northwest Federal District.
A source close to one of the country's federal ministries noted that the authorities "recommended that recruitment be kept to a minimum" in regional capitals.
Following Vladimir Putin's announcement of a mobilization on Wednesday, Russia's Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said a total of 300,000 reserve soldiers would be called in. The official number of people to be recruited is indicated in the graded seventh paragraph of Putin's official decree.
On September 22, Novaya Gazeta Europe, citing a source from the Putin government, reported that the classified paragraph allows up to one million conscripts.
Today another source confirmed the number of reservists which as everything shows will be much greater...
There will be involvement outside Ukraine as well!
A Russian analyst is proceeding with a bombshell revelation as he told Russian radio that the mobilization that is taking place is not just about Ukraine. Russian forces will also be sent to areas outside Ukraine, photographing Eurasia...
Geostrate Andrey Shkolnikov may have talked about Eurasia, it is certain that other regions come first. He specifically said:
"The individuals recruited as part of the announced mobilization will not only be involved in Ukraine, but also in other regions of Eurasia.
Many will go to Transcaucasia and Central Asia.
Let's understand clearly: in the next 2-3 years Russia will take control both there and there. If they voluntarily pursue a pro-Russian policy, it will be a wonderful thing. If they indulge in Russophobia then forgive me.
Both China and Iran will play together with Russia in Central Asia and Transcaucasia, because no one needs a Turkish Khaganate supported by Britain.
In the conditions of the global crisis, Russia is doomed to expand its control.
Strelkov: It is not enough to mobilize 300,000 for a quick victory over Ukraine
"For a quick victory over Ukraine, it is necessary to send up to one million soldiers to the front and several hundred thousand more people to military production," former Donetsk Defense Minister Igor Strelkov told a news conference in Moscow."The enemy has the strategic initiative at the moment and is preparing one or more attacks against our positions in the Kherson or Zaporizhye regions, and possibly, in the south of the Donetsk region, and perhaps also in Luhansk...
I believe that the enemy in the coming days will seek to disrupt the referendums with all his forces. He had a few days or weeks to hit our troops. Therefore, I believe that at this time our fighters at the front, the fighters of the mobilized corps of Donbass and the personnel department will be hit by reinforced attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," said Strelkov.
The reinforcement of the Russian army as part of the partial mobilization towards the front will reach the front in a month or two.
"Someone who is more ready can get in two weeks while most reservists will arrive in one and a half or two months. Until then, the enemy will have both a numerical advantage and an advantage in the number of units and formations," the former commander explained.
The number of 300,000 people planned to be called up as part of the partial mobilisation is not enough to quickly defeat Ukraine.
"To defeat Ukraine, there is no need to mobilize 20 million people in the Armed Forces, in the internal troops, in the National Guard or in the industry. This is unnecessary and extremely difficult for the economy.
But to send up to a million soldiers to the front and at least a few hundred thousand people to military production, to transport facilities, for a decisive and quick victory in this war, without delaying for years, will still be necessary.
In this regard, I believe that the mobilization measures that have begun - the presidential decree and the clarifications of the Ministry of Defense - are a perfectly reasonable step," Strelkov summed up.
Serbia announces the start of recruitment of volunteers to help Russia
The Serbian parliamentary party Zavetniki announced the start of recruiting volunteers to be sent to Ukraine to fight on the side of their Russian and allied forces.The head of the party, Milica Dzhurdzhevich, announced that from September 24, all local sections of Zavetniki will begin to compile lists of those who, on a voluntary basis, decide to fight with weapons in their hands for the liberation of Donbass from the Ukrainians.
Serbs will fight for orthodox values," Djurdjevic said in a statement.
At the same time, 116 eponymous citizens of Serbia signed a statute to support Russia in the current difficult situation. Among the participants were Emir Kusturica, generals Vladimir Lazarevich and Bozidar Delic, academics Matia Bechkovic and Vasily Krestich and others...
The document noted the importance of supporting the Serbo-Russian brotherhood, based on the spiritual unity of the peoples.
"Βόμβα" Ρώσου αναλυτή: Ετοιμάζονται 1.200.000 έφεδροι για στρατιωτική εμπλοκή και εκτός Ουκρανίας - Άνοιξαν γραφεία στρατολόγησης στην Σερβία... - WarNews247
Ρώσοι αναλυτές και στρατιωτικοί εμπειρογνώμονες επιβεβαιώνουν ότι ο αριθμός των πολιτών που θα επιστρατευτούν σε πρώτη φάση θα φτάσει ακό
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intothatgoodnight
. . .
What IF Putin has available a different sort of technology/weaponry that has the immediacy and local destructive force of a tactical nuclear strike, with zero of the fallout/radiation issues/residual?
intothegoodnight
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
And this is how World Wars become World Wars. Freaking IRAN is now attacking Ukraine. Sheesh!Chaos in Odessa: Swarm of Iranian drones bomb Ukrainian targets – First mass attack Shahed 136 (video)
Ukraine asks for help from Israel
23/09/2022 - 19:30
War News
Chaos reigns in Odessa as the Russian Army first sent a swarm of Iranian shahed 136 "kamikaze" drones coded as Geran-2. Several Ukrainian military targets and the port of Odessa have been hit.
From the attacks there is a wealth of audiovisual material.
Iranian drones hit targets in other areas in Nikolaev, Krivoy Rog. It seems that Ukraine is in serious trouble. Kiev asked Israel for help in dealing with Iranian drones.
In more detail, a few minutes ago, Russia used Iranian Geran-2 drones (Shahed 136) against several government and military installations in the city of Odessa. The Ukrainians tried unsuccessfully to shoot them down using machine guns and rifles, .
Earlier, Iranian drones also hit a tugboat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the port of Ochakov, in the Nikolaev region, while a building in Krivoy Rog was also bombed.
One of the kamikaze drones hit an administrative building on the territory of the port of Odessa. In this building, as it became known, military planning was carried out against the Russian Army including the launch of drones towards the Crimea.
Geranium-2, dived towards the roof of the building. Immediately afterwards there was an explosion and a fire broke out.
Kiev asked Israel for help
The use of Iranian drones by the Russian Army is beginning to seriously concern Kiev. Information indicates that the Ukrainian side turned to Israel asking to provide the necessary information about the supply of Iranian weapons to Russia and to establish a channel of dialogue to discuss these issues.
For this reason Simona Halperin, head of the Eurasian Department of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, went to Kiev in early September. In the Ukrainian capital, he met with The Special Representative of Ukraine for the Middle East and North Africa Maksim Subkh, who called on Israel to provide military assistance to Ukraine and participate in the anti-Russian sanctions.
One of the Ukrainian officials said the Israeli side shares important information with Ukraine, but Kiev needs more data, particularly about Iranian Shahed-136 drones and ways to protect against them.
Meanwhile, as U.S. army chief Cam McMillan noted in an interview, Iranian kamikaze drones are very difficult to defeat by air defense systems. Shahed-136 UAVs are sent directly to the target while carrying an explosive payload.
Χάος στην Οδησσό: Σμήνος ιρανικών drones βομβαρδίζουν ουκρανικούς στόχους - Πρώτη μαζική επίθεση Shahed 136 (βίντεο) - WarNews247
Χάος επικρατεί στην Οδησσό καθώς ο ρωσικός Στρατός έστειλε για πρώτη φορά σμήνος ιρανικών drones "καμικάζι" Shahed 136 κωδικοποιημένα ως
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Russia has always considered nuke war survivable, so when they produced more weapons, we did too. It made them think twice. MAD kept that going in the West. Russia essentially saying "Fine, we don't care anymore" is quite scary.
MAD was good as long as it kept things in balance, now things are not in balance. Hence, fear.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Yes and now we have religion being brought into it
Serbs will fight for orthodox values," Djurdjevic said in a statement.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Perhaps the doctrine of nuclear weapon dominance/MAD is no longer the only (localized) mass destruction game in town.
Technology has always been at the center of this policy, beginning with the two nuclear weapon drops on Japan, during WWII.
Technology marches onward. We all know and understand that fact.
MAD is a policy rooted in a fixed technological paradigm.
Technological evolution may be a better lens.
intothegoodnight
DuckandCover
Proud Sheeple
Europe and Russia.
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mzkitty
I give up.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
OK.
What is the power-center that drives European geo-political events? (hint: follow the money)
intothegoodnight
MAD only works when both sides view the future are survivable.
When one side observes that it isn't then you get ideas like . . .
"Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it"
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Geopolitically, MAD works more reliably/predictably when both sides appear to be at a nuclear weapon parity.
. . . while technology marches onward.
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TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
No, that's not how it works. MAD means that at least one side believes nuke war is NOT survivable.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Yet, it is strangely called/named/branded/sold as MAD - mutually assured destruction - NOT "assured destruction."
intothegoodnight
Really? . . . Are you ever in for a surprise
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
wonder if their first shots will be for their CO's--then mass desertions........
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Only one side has to believe it's a mutual thing.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
How so?
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Nah - all Russia needs to do is hire the best-of-the-BEST of western MSM propagandists to soothingly massage their citizenry into willing compliance . . . <ahem>
intothegoodnight