ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

SNOWSQUAW

Veteran Member
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.
— Sun Tzu.

Subdued may not be the appropriate word however, the end result is similar.
The West has not engaged . . . which has the same affect.

what? we are too engaged. We are shipping supplies, money and running the high tech equipment!
 

jward

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EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3

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Update: Reuters: Adviser to the Ukrainian president: Russia is making a massive redeployment of its forces towards Kherson, Melitopol and Zaporozhye.

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Michael McFaul
@McFaul

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The latest statements from Lavrov and Shoigu make very clear that Putin's war aims in Ukraine extend well beyond Donbas. Giving Putin another chunk of Ukraine will not produce lasting peace. Only stopping Putin on the battlefield will.
 

wait-n-see

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EndGameWW3
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Update: Adviser to Zelensky announces that Russian forces have taken control of the second largest energy complex in Ukraine.

Those devious Ukrainians!! Even though Russia getting its ass whopped gangster style everywhere, Z boy and his squad is going to lull those Russian invaders into a false sense of security by letting them continue to capture more territory and continue the westward advance! :eye:

Won't those foolish Russians be so surprised when they finally realize they been completely hoodwinked the entire time! :lkick:
 

Walrus

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Michael McFaul
@McFaul

The latest statements from Lavrov and Shoigu make very clear that Putin's war aims in Ukraine extend well beyond Donbas. Giving Putin another chunk of Ukraine will not produce lasting peace. Only stopping Putin on the battlefield will.
McFaul <--- :hof:

I watched Lavrov's speech in the Middle East. He merely pointed out that the longer-range weapons given to Ukraine now require a deeper buffer zone to ensure protection of the Donbass from those longer-range weapons (It was originally envisioned as a 30-km buffer zone which is obviously useless now). That point was originally made by the governor of the DPR a week or two ago.

Good luck stopping Russia on the battlefield.

Some excerpts from Lavrov's speech (which didn't include his discussion of the buffer zone):

Lavrov Makes Statement On Ukraine In English - "We cannot wait forever."
 

Housecarl

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McFaul <--- :hof:

I watched Lavrov's speech in the Middle East. He merely pointed out that the longer-range weapons given to Ukraine now require a deeper buffer zone to ensure protection of the Donbass from those longer-range weapons (It was originally envisioned as a 30-km buffer zone which is obviously useless now). That point was originally made by the governor of the DPR a week or two ago.

Good luck stopping Russia on the battlefield.

Some excerpts from Lavrov's speech (which didn't include his discussion of the buffer zone):

Lavrov Makes Statement On Ukraine In English - "We cannot wait forever."

At this rate the "buffer zone" Lavrov is going to demand starts at the Oder or Rhine rivers....
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
An excellent view above the fray from the distaff side who's asking .... really, wth?

The Phoniest, Most PR-Intensive War Of All Time

The Phoniest, Most PR-Intensive War Of All Time

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Listen to a reading of this article:

The president and first lady of Ukraine have posed for a romantic photoshoot with Vogue magazine, wherein President Volodymyr Zelensky waxes poetical about his love for his darling wife.

Now, I know what you're thinking: how is Zelensky making time for a Vogue photoshoot amidst his busy schedule of PR appearances for other major western institutions?

I mean this is after all the same Volodymyr Zelensky who has been so busy making video appearances for the Grammy Awards, the Cannes Film Festival, the World Economic Forum and probably the Bilderberg group as well, and having meetings with celebrities like Ben Stiller, Sean Penn, and Bono and the Edge from U2. It's as busy a PR tour as he could possibly have without having a discussion about the strategic importance of long-range artillery with Elmo on Sesame Street.

Oh yeah, and also isn't there like a war or something happening in Ukraine? You'd think he'd probably be somewhat busy with that too.

Twitter avatar for @loganclarkhall Logan Hall @loganclarkhall
wartime vogue photo shoots. very serious. let’s keep sending ukraine weekly billion dollar aid packages to protect “democracy.” don’t question it.
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Call me crazy, but I'm beginning to suspect that there might be a concerted effort to manipulate the way we think about the war in Ukraine. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say it's the most aggressively perception-managed war we've ever experienced.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February we have not only been smashed with mass media propaganda unlike anything we've ever seen while Russian media are purged from the airwaves, we're also seeing the new media element of unprecedented amounts of online censorship, algorithm-boosted propaganda, and social media trolling.

So we've literally never seen this much overall effort put into manipulating the way the public thinks about a war. Which makes sense, given that it's a profoundly dangerous proxy war which stands to benefit ordinary people in no way, shape or form.

I mean, can you imagine if people were allowed to just think their own thoughts about their government's economic warfare against Russia which is hurting them financially and pushing millions toward starvation with the full awareness and approval of the US government? Or if Americans were allowed to wonder if the billions they are pouring into this proxy conflict could be better spent at home? Or if people started objecting to a needless conflict for geostrategic domination threatening their lives and the lives of everyone they know with the risk of nuclear annihilation?

Can't have that.

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Massive amount of ukrainian soldiers dying every day, Zelensky : lets have a vogue shooting
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There is a night-and-day difference between wanting to tell people the truth about something and wanting to manipulate their perception of something. There are times when true facts can be used to influence people's perception one way or the other, but if your agenda is to manipulate perception rather than tell the truth you will necessarily be forced to rely on lies, half-truths, distortion, and lies by omission wherever the truth doesn't serve that agenda.

If they were telling us the truth about this war, they wouldn't be censoring Russian media. They wouldn't be censoring online voices who disagree with the official narratives about Ukraine. They wouldn't be continually blasting us in the face with mass media perception management, and they sure as hell wouldn't be putting Ukraine's celebrity-in-chief on the cover of Vogue magazine.

We are being manipulated, and we are being deceived. And we are being manipulated and deceived because our perceiving clearly on our own would go against the interests of the empire. They are lying to us because the interests of the people and the interests of the empire are, as usual, squarely at odds.
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Oh my, I'm a bit slow on the uptake, headed to Siberia;

Free home Siberia, coldest place I know.

Rather live without your November.

and
- have to dig your frozen ass - out of the snow.

My fires burn from September,
August and July sometimes too.

I'm warm in October, leaves are gold and the cold winds blow.

Was the heat of the summer, the blood thirsties stalked all around.

Birch trees will remember, skeeters hate tar anyhow.

Sweet home Siberia, living where no one knows your name.

If you die in Siberia, chances are there's no one to blame.

Sub Zero in the winter, firewood burns with a glow.
Ice chopped from the river, makes a bath dont'cha know.

Naked run from the sauna.
Running down to the hole.

With love she remembers, wrestling in the snow.

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Squid

Veteran Member
What is your definition of a long conflict?

5 years or 10 years.

This thing is just getting started people, and the west is hoping for a quick exit.
Your buddy Putin is looking for an exit as well. The west globalist crowd luv luvs luvs this conflict and would have no problem with 5 years of perpetual slav on slav slaughter.

Russia may have long term plans but 5 years of Ukraine head bashing is not in their plan.
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
Your buddy Putin is looking for an exit as well. The west globalist crowd luv luvs luvs this conflict and would have no problem with 5 years of perpetual slav on slav slaughter.

Russia may have long term plans but 5 years of Ukraine head bashing is not in their plan.

I think I'd rather have Putin as my Buddy than Biden, just sayin.

However, I have neither of them in my contacts.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
I'm thinking in terms of the unrefueled range of a strike fighter or an SM-3 on a long range surface to surface trajectory.
Good tactical thinking. With the original intent of the buffer zone probably being defined by the artillery in theater at the time (when the Minsk agreements were done years ago), there's no doubt that the calculus is now changed. I couldn't begin to guess what would be proposed and settled on with the way things are now, unless there's a strict definition (with inspections) of allowable weapons systems near the zone.

Which, of course, takes trust. Not much available at this point, I reckon.
 

jward

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Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan

4h

BREAKING: Russia launched massive series of 20+ missile strikes from Belarus into Ukraine during last few hours, hitting number of cities including Kyiv. The war is intensifying - don’t forget about the Ukrainian people, they’re going through living hell.
 

bobfall2005

Veteran Member
Absolutely.....and the Ukie lines will be crushed, 60,000 Ukie troops will be surrounded, killed or surrender by the end of March, Easter, May, June, August.
Doug has been on the River denial, too long.

'russia won already' or Putin will do anything to win.

Been that way since March.
 

tanstaafl

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For informational purposes:

The F-14 is 62 feet 9 inches long, with a spread wingspan of 64 feet and a swept wingspan of 38 feet. Its loaded weight is 61,000 pounds. The F-15 is 63 feet 9 inches long, with a wingspan of 42 feet 10 inches. Its loaded weight is 20,200 pounds.

Not that this has anything to do with the war in Ukraine and not to hijack the thread, but I thought I'd post a picture of a F-15 with a KC-135 refueling tanker. Note that the F-15 is about two-thirds the length of the KC-135 (and I wouldn't call the KC-135 "small" unless you're parking it with 747-sized planes). Check out the relative sizes the next time someone posts a picture of the Air Force One 747 with its companion fighter jets.

F-15 vs KC-135.jpg

To at least mention Ukraine, how about a new conspiracy theory that says the reason President Befuddled's administration is so keen on the war in Ukraine is that they all need somewhere to go when the Democrats lose power, and since they're such a power behind the Ukrainian throne (so to speak) they can make it so there's no extradition treaty with the U.S. :)
 

northern watch

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Northern Ukraine Comes Under Burst of Russian Attacks Far From Front Lines; Cruise missile hit military base north of Kyiv, officials say

Thursday, July 28, 2022, 8:29 AM ET
By Ian Lovett and Evan Gershkovich
Wall Street Journal

KYIV, Ukraine—Missiles and rockets rained down on northern Ukraine on Thursday morning, marking the first time in weeks that the Kyiv region, far from the fighting in the country’s east and south, has been hit.

A Kalibr cruise missile struck a military base in the Vyshgorod area, north of Kyiv, early Thursday morning, according to military officials. At least 20 rockets were fired from Belarus into northern Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials. Nine hit the Chernihiv region, while air-defense systems took out others. Shells also hit the Kharkiv and Mykolaiv regions overnight, in Ukraine’s northeast and south respectively
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“Restless morning. Rocket terror again,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wrote on Telegram on Thursday morning. “We will not be intimidated. Ukraine is an independent, free, indivisible state.”

Russian and Belarusian officials didn’t immediately comment on the strikes in northern Ukraine on Thursday.

The strike on the military base north of Kyiv destroyed one building and damaged two others, according to Oleksiy Gromov, a senior official with the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Another cruise missile was shot down, he said. No casualties were mentioned.

The missile strike ended a period of calm in the Kyiv region. Even as rocket attacks have become part of daily life near the fighting in the country’s south and east, the capital has returned to something resembling normalcy. Locals often take little note of the air-raid sirens, continuing to sip their coffee at sidewalk cafes as the warnings blare.

Oleksii Kuleba, governor of the Kyiv region, said the strike on Thursday was a reminder that the war wasn’t over, even in Kyiv.

“I urge you again, do not ignore the alarm signals—go down to the shelter,” he wrote on Telegram. “The war continues. The enemy continues to sneak missile strikes.”

Elsewhere, the Ukrainian military continues to gear up for a counteroffensive in the southern Kherson region, which Russian forces have occupied since the early weeks of the war. On Wednesday, Ukraine used Himars rocket systems to strike the Antonivsky bridge for the third time in 10 days. The bridge, which links Kherson with other Russian-held areas in southern Ukraine, has likely been rendered unusable by the strikes, according to the U.K. Defense Ministry.

Ukrainian forces have also damaged two other bridges the Russians use to resupply Kherson, British intelligence said Thursday, leaving Russia’s 49th army, on the west bank of the Dnipro River in the Kherson region, highly vulnerable.

“Kherson city, the most politically significant population center occupied by Russia, is now virtually cut off from the other occupied territories,” the ministry wrote on Twitter. “Its loss would severely undermine Russia’s attempts to paint the occupation as a success.”

The Russian-installed deputy head of the Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, wrote on Telegram on Thursday that the region wasn’t targeted with strikes overnight and that authorities are focused on readying a referendum on becoming part of Russia.

In Russia, meanwhile, Sen. Andrei Klishas said that parliament’s main task this fall likely will be integrating captured Ukrainian territories into Russia, in comments posted to his Telegram channel Thursday.

In the east of Ukraine, Russian forces continued pushing toward the towns of Siversk and Bakhmut, as they moved to capture the remaining Ukrainian-held territory in the Donbas area.

Though Russian troops continue to seize territory, they appear only to be able to sustain two offensive operations in Ukraine at a time, according to the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank.

“Russian forces have committed enough resources to conduct near-daily ground assaults and to seize territory on these two axes but have been unable to sustain a similar offensive operational tempo or to make similar territorial gains elsewhere in Ukraine,” the institute wrote Wednesday evening. “The Russian offensive, therefore, remains likely to culminate before seizing any other major urban areas in Ukraine.”

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Wednesday said he planned to speak directly in the coming days with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov for the first time since the start of the war. He said the U.S. had made a substantial proposal to free women’s basketball star Brittney Griner and another American, Paul Whelan, from Russian detention, but that the overture hasn’t been accepted and he would raise their cases. According to people familiar with the matter, the U.S. offered to release Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout in exchange.

On Thursday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that President Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin had previously discussed prisoner exchanges, but that “a concrete result has not yet been achieved.”

For his part, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Thursday that an agreement hasn’t yet been reached.

Mr. Lavrov, meanwhile, met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Uzbekistan’s capital, Tashkent, ahead of a multilateral meeting Friday. Mr. Lavrov told his counterpart that Moscow and Beijing have proved their friendship over the years, and that he believes the world is becoming multipolar, in remarks shown on Russian state television.

“This evolution is supported by many states, including Russia and China and most countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, which are striving to pursue an independent policy,” he said.

Last year, months before the war began, Mr. Zelensky established a new holiday in Ukraine: the annual Day of Ukrainian Statehood, marked Thursday. At the time, he said, the day was to commemorate the founding of Kyiv more than 1,000 years ago, which he called the root of modern Ukraine
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Now, the day has become another symbol of the country’s fight for survival.

“It is very important not only to mark the emergence of statehood but unite for its preservation,” Mr. Zelensky said in a video posted on Telegram on Thursday. “We thought we had ruled in our land. We are laying down our souls and bodies to attain our freedom.”

Mr. Zelensky added that Ukraine “is the only legitimate heir to Kievan Rus,” in a comment that gets to the heart of the conflict. Russia and Ukraine each claim to be the political heir of the Kievan Rus federation, the first eastern Slavic state, founded in the 11th century. In an essay last July, Mr. Putin wrote that Kievan Rus is proof that Russia and Ukraine are “one historical and spiritual space.”

In response to Mr. Zelensky, Ms. Zakharova, the Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, hinted that Moscow is planning further land grabs in Ukraine.

“Prince Volodymyr, then don’t be offended that part of Ukraine will be called Rus,” she wrote on Telegram later Thursday. “You said it yourself.”

Write to Ian Lovett at ian.lovett@wsj.com and Evan Gershkovich at evan.gershkovich@wsj.com

Northern Ukraine Comes Under Burst of Russian Attacks Far From Front Lines - WSJ
 

Red Baron

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Red Baron

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One doesn't see too many towed anti-tank guns deployed anymore.

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RFE/RL correspondent Roman Pahulych met with artillerymen from Ukraine's 93rd Mechanized Brigade in the country's eastern Kharkiv region as they continued to try and push back Russian forces.

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Ukrainian Forces Deploy Soviet-Era 'Rapira' Anti-Tank Guns On Kharkiv Front Line

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Housecarl

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One doesn't see too many towed anti-tank guns deployed anymore.

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RFE/RL correspondent Roman Pahulych met with artillerymen from Ukraine's 93rd Mechanized Brigade in the country's eastern Kharkiv region as they continued to try and push back Russian forces.

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty is funded in whole or in part by the American government.
Wikipedia


Runtime 3:52

Ukrainian Forces Deploy Soviet-Era 'Rapira' Anti-Tank Guns On Kharkiv Front Line

View: https://youtu.be/4HOqLDIDOT4?list=PLiE2CJKxmY0dEvF-dE1B-pBmfebnyBWqB

Yeah, they're all digging deep into what's available. I'm guessing those AT guns are getting more use as fire mission artillery than in the AT role considering how far they can sling a round at a 45 degree elevation.

Digging a pit under the breech in the video is just more evidence to back my thought up.
 

Housecarl

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Was on YouTube and saw a posting from today that Turkey will be giving "for free" Ukraine more drones. I guess Erdogan wants to develop his pawns some more. (I'm on my phone, but as soon as I can get to my laptop I'll post a link and further info.)
 

jward

passin' thru
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

8m

The leader of Germany's eastern Saxony region Michael Kretschmer backs Hungary's talking points Kretschmer insists on the importance of Russian gas, calls for a frozen conflict in Ukraine and European diplomacy with Russia. A repeat of the West's ill-fated post-2014 approach.
 

jward

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Lyle Goldstein
@lylegoldstein



Summary of RAND report: "Russia may decide it has no choice ...except to launch a first strike against ...NATO countries. US analysts write that ... Russia can use tactical nuclear weapons without delay. Russia may not use conv missiles ...due to alleged depletion"VO-Rus,27July
 

Housecarl

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Lyle Goldstein
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Summary of RAND report: "Russia may decide it has no choice ...except to launch a first strike against ...NATO countries. US analysts write that ... Russia can use tactical nuclear weapons without delay. Russia may not use conv missiles ...due to alleged depletion"VO-Rus,27July

There's a reason the USN regularly has an Ohio SSBN on patrol in the Atlantic....
 

jward

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Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

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Russia has announced a three year plan to restore Mariupol Russia plans to build a new airport and transport interchange hub, revive 90 social facilities in 2022 and ensure that some jobs are retained in Azvostal steel but "harmful activities" are curtailed
This plan was presented by Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin in a meeting today with Vladimir Putin The Donetsk People's Republic has solicited help from Chechnya's leader Ramzan Kadyrov on rebuilding a mosque in Mariupol
 
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