ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The phone call was a disaster. Gee, what a surprise!
Putin is going to invade. Xi the Merciless is going to invade. The US Republic is dead. We are lead by traitors, cowards and fools. Nothing can save the USA now.
What did people expect Russia to do when we made Ukraine a part of NATO and put first strike missiles there. Did we think Russia would ignore a direct threat like that?

Russia is absolutey correct in their response to this open globalist warfare against them. Obama and his globalist shills are going to get the war they have been baiting Russia to get.
 

gonewacky

Veteran Member
The phone call was a disaster. Gee, what a surprise!
Putin is going to invade. Xi the Merciless is going to invade. The US Republic is dead. We are lead by traitors, cowards and fools. Nothing can save the USA now.
What did people expect Russia to do when we made Ukraine a part of NATO and put first strike missiles there. Did we think Russia would ignore a direct threat like that?

Russia is absolutey correct in their response to this open globalist warfare against them. Obama and his globalist shills are going to get the war they have been baiting Russia to get.

You're right Doug this is just like Putin said. Except this we we are on the other side. Not good at all

Putin, who held a video call with Biden on 7 December, has compared the current tensions to the cold-war era Cuban missile crisis in 1962. He denies planning to attack Ukraine and insists that Russia has the right to move its troops on its own soil.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
This whole thing has gone well past the "discuss and agree" portion of the program. This chat was merely window dressing.
Vladimir has already made his decision, moved his forces up and one wiggle of his finger and WW3 starts. Comrade Joe is completely delusional; threatening super duper sanctions. Laughable in the face of all the Russian troops and equipment sitting across the border.

But, rarely enough, I agree with Comrade Joe in one aspect. The Ukraine is a sovereign nation that has its' own right of self determination; the Russians be damned. And whoever Ukraine wishes to ally themselves is their concern and right. They remember the Soviet Unions' "gentle guiding governmental hand". No wonder they wish to distance themselves from the Soviet/Russian bear.

Get what you are saying. But how about Russia moving missiles to Cuba?
It works both ways. Military speaking.
I fully agree with a Nations right for self determination.
 

Infoscout

The Dude Abides
I wonder how many sleeper cells have come across our borders in the past year? If Russia did a buildup in South America, they could technically support an uprising of illegals. What if Russia manages a new economic package with Mexico? All bets are off!
 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

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Presidents Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin began a phone call Thursday on diplomatic solutions to soaring Russia-West tensions over Ukraine, the White House said.

The call, requested by the Kremlin leader, “convened at 3:35 pm” (2035 GMT), a White House official said from Wilmington, Delaware, where Biden was spending the New Year’s holiday at home.
This was the second time Putin and Biden talked in just over three weeks, reflecting intense diplomacy to try and resolve a dangerously escalating standoff on the fringes of eastern Europe.

The call time, in my opinion, is interesting. Shortest days of the year and the call literally went through sunset time in Delaware. Those of us who have had to deal with relatives with dementia know that particular part of the day is tough for them. They don't call it the "sundowners" effect for nothing. So pudding cup is at his absolute WORST time to be saying anything to him and Vlad knows it.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The phone call was a disaster. Gee, what a surprise!
Putin is going to invade. Xi the Merciless is going to invade. The US Republic is dead. We are lead by traitors, cowards and fools. Nothing can save the USA now.
What did people expect Russia to do when we made Ukraine a part of NATO and put first strike missiles there. Did we think Russia would ignore a direct threat like that?

Not quite yet:
"During the Bucharest summit in April 2008, NATO announced that "Ukraine and Georgia would eventually become members of the alliance." However, it refused to provide either state with a Membership Action Plan, which is the first step in the legal procedure for joining the organization. In February 2019, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) approved constitutional amendments which reaffirmed Kiev’s willingness to join NATO. Ukraine also received the status of NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner."

Here is the entire article:

Ukraine wants to achieve clarity in 2022 when it will be able to join NATO — Zelensky
The president also noted that Ukrainian diplomacy should be fast, creative, ambitious and effective in order to achieve the goals set by Kiev’s leadership

KIEV, December 21. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has said that Kiev wants to achieve clarity next year over when the country will be able to join NATO and also to break the deadlock over the peace settlement process in Donbass.
"We wish to break the deadlock over the peace settlement process in Donbass as soon as possible, to have Crimea back, to achieve membership of the European Union in the coming years and to get a very clear timeframe from NATO. We wish to have it in 2022," Zelensky said at a meeting with Ukraine’s ambassadors in the Ivano-Frankovsk Region.

The president noted that Ukrainian diplomacy should be fast, creative, ambitious and effective in order to achieve the goals set by Kiev’s leadership. "It is Europe that needs Ukraine, our Ukraine, and not vice versa, this is ambition," Zelensky explained. According to the head of state, Ukraine should not feel like a "poor relation" and needs to prove itself as a "regional leader" and a "driving force of the processes."
During the Bucharest summit in April 2008, NATO announced that "Ukraine and Georgia would eventually become members of the alliance." However, it refused to provide either state with a Membership Action Plan, which is the first step in the legal procedure for joining the organization. In February 2019, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) approved constitutional amendments which reaffirmed Kiev’s willingness to join NATO. Ukraine also received the status of NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner.

Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov noted that Kiev’s aggressive rhetoric pointed to the settlement of the Donbass issue by force. According to Peskov, Ukraine "is persistently trying to present Russia as a party to the conflict." At the same time, the presidential spokesman mentioned that Kiev made any negotiations impossible, in particular, because Ukraine has not fulfilled the Minsk accords and has even adopted some laws that contradict them.
Ukraine wants to achieve clarity in 2022 when it will be able to join NATO — Zelensky
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Granted it isn't a done deal, YET.

Putin is prempting both actions. If Putin doesn't invade, he will be dealing with a fait acompli.
Putin is also basing his invasion on NATO, EU and biden rhetoric, which is hostile and can be certainly seen as preparing NATO membership for the Ukraine. I certainly view Ukraine as a DEFACTO NATO member.
More importantly Putin does and he has the tanks.:siren:

War is inevitable with both Russia and China at this point. Likely imminent also.
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Regarding the timing of the call . . .

I heard on either NBC or CBS that Russia requested the call, and that the requester doesn't get to choose the time.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Granted it isn't a done deal, YET.

Putin is prempting both actions. If Putin doesn't invade, he will be dealing with a fait acompli.
Putin is also basing his invasion on NATO, EU and biden rhetoric, which is hostile and can be certainly seen as preparing NATO membership for the Ukraine. I certainly view Ukraine as a DEFACTO NATO member.
More importantly Putin does and he has the tanks.:siren:

War is inevitable with both Russia and China at this point. Likely imminent also.

I think of Ukraine as one of the partners in an engagement, waiting for the other to propose. "Since 2008" is a long time to wait. Furthering that analogy, if milk is already being given, why buy the Cow? Ukraine has been a defacto NATO member for years in all but the paperwork. This is like a reverse Bay of Pigs. War is on the horizon, for sure.
 

Infoscout

The Dude Abides
If Putin is going to give the go order, he will need to do it soon. Again. This will be the most publicized military buildup to war ever, if it is going to happen.

I will not be surprised if we see Russian Migs flying sorties in the Caribbean soon!
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
If Putin is going to give the go order, he will need to do it soon. Again. This will be the most publicized military buildup to war ever, if it is going to happen.

I will not be surprised if we see Russian Migs flying sorties in the Caribbean soon!
I think he waits until all his demands are not met by NATO so he can justify the invasion. If NATO caves then he wins without losing any troops. His only problem right now is the cost of keeping those soldiers there. The Ukes are not a threat. I havent seen anything legit about NATO beefing up its defenses. No US units going to Europe outside of normal deployments. So there is no need to rush into it. If we were to start dumping units into Europe that may change. The other thing is he may not want a war. What if he were to lose? No major country has fought a peer/near peer war since WW2. We can game it all out but until the bullets stop flying and the dust settles nothing is certain.
 

TheDoberman

Veteran Member

Sergej Sumlenny
@sumlenny



“Russia will destroy Ukraine within 10 minutes, eliminating key command centers”, - a proud tweet by Russia’s biggest state propaganda agency RIA Novosti. Happy New Year from Moscow.
View: https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1476814326623260672?s=20
This is exactly what is going to happen with China/Taiwan as well. Taiwan will have lost in the first half hour. This is what a large military country can do to a small military country. Overwhelming missile barrages will destroy communication and key equipment to strike back. The only thing that can stop the Chinese and the Russians after that will be the will of the people.

I'm definitely with everybody else in thinking sooner rather than later. Especially if the reports were true that Russia is hiring mercenaries. That's an expensive ordeal that Russia wouldn't sit on.

I also don't think Russia/China want a nuclear war because they can't predict the outcome of that. It's going to be much easier for them to establish new economic order with their combined military strength and watch us lose our place in the world. The USD will die a relatively fast death. If the reports over the last few decades of China and Russia stacking gold are true then we might really be in trouble. Remember our deep web information company Palantir bought 50 million in physical gold a year ago. This is years in the making and it's about to go down.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Granted it isn't a done deal, YET.

Putin is prempting both actions. If Putin doesn't invade, he will be dealing with a fait acompli.
Putin is also basing his invasion on NATO, EU and biden rhetoric, which is hostile and can be certainly seen as preparing NATO membership for the Ukraine. I certainly view Ukraine as a DEFACTO NATO member.
More importantly Putin does and he has the tanks.:siren:

War is inevitable with both Russia and China at this point. Likely imminent also.
He also has this View: https://mobile.twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1476974371738640396
 

jward

passin' thru
This is a bit older, but don't recall seeing it here, and is nice to get a look many of us may never have seen of Ukraine. . .
DISPATCH: Ukrainians Prepare for Russian Bombing
RT 3.30

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwM9d5RhbeI&t=16s


With Russian forces massed on the border raising concerns of a major offensive this winter, Ukrainian officials are now taking concrete, public steps to prepare the country for a wider war — specifically, a Russian air campaign. Consequently, officials have bolstered air defenses across the country and readied bomb shelters in the capital city of Kyiv. Even so, life goes on for civilians — much as it has for the past seven and a half years of war. Yet there is an unseen danger over the horizon. Just a few hundred miles from Kyiv, more than 100,000 Russian soldiers lie in wait — the question is, what for? Read more here: https://coffeeordie.com/russian-invas... Want to keep up with all the latest stories on Coffee or Die? Go to www.coffeeordie.com. Make sure to follow Coffee or Die on social media: Facebook: www.facebook.com/coffeeordiemag Instagram: @coffeeordiemag Twitter: @coffeeordiemag Follow BRCC on social media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/blackriflec... facebook: https://www.facebook.com/blackrifleco... Twitter: https://twitter.com/blckriflecoffee
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
i just had a short talk with a univ kid friend.

they are all talking about how many rifles they would need for an effective résistance movement.

i have read estimates that there are 3 million or so illegal weapons in country, he was saying that the kids, from all over Ukraine, think they need an additional 5 mil from US and EU to mount a effective resistance.

i understand the fear in Moscow from the NATO deployments in Rumania and Poland, but the people here absolutely do not want to be ruled from Moscow again.

for ex, they even have a different word for what we call 'vodka' that it is preferred you use. lol.

'горілка'.

some of which of an excellent variety, i am slowly sipping tonight.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
i just had a short talk with a univ kid friend.

they are all talking about how many rifles they would need for an effective résistance movement.

i have read estimates that there are 3 million or so illegal weapons in country, he was saying that the kids, from all over Ukraine, think they need an additional 5 mil from US and EU to mount a effective resistance.

i understand the fear in Moscow from the NATO deployments in Rumania and Poland, but the people here absolutely do not want to be ruled from Moscow again.

for ex, they even have a different word for what we call 'vodka' that it is preferred you use. lol.

'горілка'.

some of which of an excellent variety, i am slowly sipping tonight.
So, the citizens would have to rely on illegal firearms. That seems like a sorry state of affairs - hopefully it can change.

Also, aren't there huge Soviet era caches of small arms in Ukraine? I thought the USSR had stored millions of old rifles, SMGs and Machine Guns in an old salt mine somewhere.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I hope you have a solid exit strategy, Oreally. I'm sure you have already thought this all through, and my two cents may be unwelcome, but . . . .

You are an American. I don't know how American's are currently viewed in Ukraine, but if the Ukrainians decide that the US has abandoned them, you may find anti-American sentiment grow rapidly. If the Russians take over, they may look at you as a threat and treat you accordingly, especially with the current diplomatic state of affairs.

Please, take care.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
i just had a short talk with a univ kid friend.

they are all talking about how many rifles they would need for an effective résistance movement.

i have read estimates that there are 3 million or so illegal weapons in country, he was saying that the kids, from all over Ukraine, think they need an additional 5 mil from US and EU to mount a effective resistance.

i understand the fear in Moscow from the NATO deployments in Rumania and Poland, but the people here absolutely do not want to be ruled from Moscow again.

for ex, they even have a different word for what we call 'vodka' that it is preferred you use. lol.

'горілка'.

some of which of an excellent variety, i am slowly sipping tonight.


When my mother was in Ireland she ordered a Black and Tan in a pub. The barkeep politely told her that in Ireland they are called Half and Halfs.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
I hope you have a solid exit strategy, Oreally. I'm sure you have already thought this all through, and my two cents may be unwelcome, but . . . .

You are an American. I don't know how American's are currently viewed in Ukraine, but if the Ukrainians decide that the US has abandoned them, you may find anti-American sentiment grow rapidly. If the Russians take over, they may look at you as a threat and treat you accordingly, especially with the current diplomatic state of affairs.

Please, take care.

i am not so worried about the locals turning on americans. you can not believe how much they admire the ideals of our country, it's myths, it's pop culture, etc.

and they al understand, at least the people i have talked to that the current biden regime is illegitimate. everyone knows this.

so, if some how we screw them, by not providing enough support ( no one want US troops, they all think it would be their fight), then they would blame the reds and pedos in charge in Dc.

as for a russian takeover, yeah, that is a concern, as an american i would be targeted as a merc, or spy or whatever. but that is waaay down the line. but i have /am working on an exit strategy if things go kinetically south in my neighborhood.

and i have a connected friend or two.. . . .

also this city is 1000 years old. many many sieges in that time. still here and thriving.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
i am not so worried about the locals turning on americans. you can not believe how much they admire the ideals of our country, it's myths, it's pop culture, etc.

and they al understand, at least the people i have talked to that the current biden regime is illegitimate. everyone knows this.

so, if some how we screw them, by not providing enough support ( no one want US troops, they all think it would be their fight), then they would blame the reds and pedos in charge in Dc.

as for a russian takeover, yeah, that is a concern, as an american i would be targeted as a merc, or spy or whatever. but that is waaay down the line. but i have /am working on an exit strategy if things go kinetically south in my neighborhood.

and i have a connected friend or two.. . . .

also this city is 1000 years old. many many sieges in that time. still here and thriving.
I am glad that you have a plan.
One question to you, from the people that you have talked to, how many are planning to leave if war comes?
 

jward

passin' thru
Russian Foreign Minister Levels New Warning on Ukraine
Sergey V. Lavrov accused the United States and its allies of stoking a conflict in the country’s east in comments that contrasted with a more positive tone coming from Moscow.




Sergey V. Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, in Moscow in November.

Sergey V. Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, in Moscow in November.Credit...Pool photo by Evgenia Novozhenina
Andrew E. Kramer
By Andrew E. Kramer
Dec. 31, 2021, 1:24 p.m. ET
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, warned on Friday that the Kremlin perceives the United States and its allies as stoking the war in eastern Ukraine, a shift in tone from Moscow just hours after another Russian official had said the Kremlin was satisfied with a phone call between the leaders of the two countries.
“The civil war in Ukraine, ongoing for eight years, is far from over,” Mr. Lavrov said, in remarks carried by the Russian Information Agency. “The country’s authorities don’t intend to resolve the conflict” through diplomacy, he added.
“Unfortunately, we see the United States and other NATO nations supporting the militaristic intentions of Kyiv, provisioning Ukraine with weapons and sending military specialists,” Mr. Lavrov said.

Amid high-stakes diplomatic talks over what the United States has described as a serious Russian military threat to Ukraine, Mr. Lavrov’s remarks were the latest in a series of conflicting commentary from the Kremlin that has seesawed between ominous and conciliatory, sometimes within the space of a few days. Earlier in December, Mr. Putin said Moscow might resort to “military technical” means, referring to the use of force, if talks failed.

But after President Biden and Mr. Putin of Russia spoke for about 50 minutes on Thursday, Yuri V. Ushakov, Mr. Putin’s foreign policy adviser, declined to say whether a specific threat of military action had come up. Though the call ended without clarity on the Kremlin’s intentions after massing about 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border, both sides said it had been constructive.
The call was seen as an effort by both sides to shape the diplomatic landscape before talks on the Ukraine crisis that will begin in Geneva on Jan. 10 and then move to Brussels and Vienna later in the week, according to Russian and American officials who briefed journalists. Russia has issued demands for NATO and the United States to pull back forces in the region and pledge not to admit new Eastern European members to the alliance.



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Ukrainian reservists during an exercise near Kyiv on Christmas Day.

Ukrainian reservists during an exercise near Kyiv on Christmas Day.Credit...Sergei Supinsky/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
In the call, according to American officials, Mr. Biden made clear that Western countries would impose harsh sanctions if Russia stepped up military activities along the Ukrainian border. Mr. Putin warned that imposing new sanctions could lead to a “complete rupture” in relations.

Still, officials in both countries assessed the conversation positively. “In principle, we are satisfied with the contact, the negotiations, because they have an open, substantive, concrete character,” Mr. Ushakov told journalists in a briefing early Friday in Moscow.

Mr. Lavrov’s comments later in the day, in contrast, revived a more confrontational tone. Mr. Ushakov had also said concerns about U.S. weaponry provided to Ukraine had come up in the call, but emphasized the respectful tone between the two leaders.
After Russian troops massed near the Ukrainian border over the fall, officials in Moscow repeatedly characterized the eastern Ukraine conflict as a pressing security concern for Russia, though it has been simmering for eight years now between Ukraine’s central government and Russia-backed separatists. Analysts have viewed these statements with alarm, as Russian justifications for invading Ukraine.

Russian diplomats call the conflict a “civil war,” something Ukraine and Western countries reject as Russian soldiers and special forces fomented the uprising in 2014 and continue to fight on the anti-government side, while Moscow arms and finances what Ukrainians refer to as a combined separatist and Russian force.




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A Russian soldier during a training exercise in Russia’s Rostov region, which borders Ukraine, on Dec. 22.

A Russian soldier during a training exercise in Russia’s Rostov region, which borders Ukraine, on Dec. 22.Credit...Associated Press

American officials have declined to discuss the substance of the talks so far, insisting that, unlike the Russians, they would not negotiate in public. Russia in December published two draft treaties the foreign ministry said it would like the United States and NATO to sign, publicly staking out positions before even talks had commenced.

Understand the Escalating Tensions Over Ukraine
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A brewing conflict. Antagonism between Ukraine and Russia has been simmering since 2014, when the Russian military crossed into Ukrainian territory, annexing Crimea and whipping up a rebellion in the east. A tenuous cease-fire was reached in 2015, but peace has been elusive.
A spike in hostilities. Russia has recently been building up forces near its border with Ukraine, and the Kremlin’s rhetoric toward its neighbor has hardened. Concern grew in late October, when Ukraine used an armed drone to attack a howitzer operated by Russian-backed separatists.
Ominous warnings. Russia called the strike a destabilizing act that violated the cease-fire agreement, raising fears of a new intervention in Ukraine that could draw the United States and Europe into a new phase of the conflict.
The Kremlin’s position. President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, who has increasingly portrayed NATO’s eastward expansion as an existential threat to his country, said that Moscow’s military buildup was a response to Ukraine’s deepening partnership with the alliance.
A measured approach. President Biden has said he is seeking a stable relationship with Russia. So far, his administration is focusing on maintaining a dialogue with Moscow, while seeking to develop deterrence measures in concert with European countries.

A former Ukrainian official and a member of Parliament in Kyiv said, speaking on condition of anonymity, that they worry the Biden administration, which has been focused on China as a principal foreign policy concern, is overly wary of antagonizing Russia.
That was a dynamic evident in Thursday’s call. Mr. Putin’s threatening of a breach in relations in retaliation for Western sanctions may suggest that the Kremlin has ascertained that Washington is more interested than Moscow in a stable bilateral relationship.

Mr. Biden has attempted a two-track approach, trying to deter Russia with unusually specific warnings about imposing a series of sanctions that would go far beyond what the West agreed upon in 2014, after the Russian annexation of Crimea, while simultaneously pursuing the diplomatic negotiations.
Conflict Over Ukraine

Putin Warns Biden of ‘Complete Rupture’ of U.S.-Russia Relationship Over Ukraine
Dec. 30, 2021


Russia Lays Out Demands for a Sweeping New Security Deal With NATO
Dec. 17, 2021


On Putin’s Strategic Chessboard, a Series of Destabilizing Moves
Nov. 19, 2021


Andrew E. Kramer is a reporter based in the Moscow bureau. He was part of a team that won the 2017 Pulitzer Prize in International Reporting for a series on Russia’s covert projection of power. @AndrewKramerNYT

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jward

passin' thru
Hopefully the Military-Media-Industrial-Destruction-Complex is smart enough to realize the constant threat o' war sells more weapons & Op-Eds than all out conflagration.
Hmmm... 'nukes should be avoided'. Would have been better to hear, there will be no nukes. But ya can't reset peacefully I guess.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
I am glad that you have a plan.
One question to you, from the people that you have talked to, how many are planning to leave if war comes?

that is tough. everyone has a family or an old house out in the country or in a smaller city. passed down. so pretty much everyone i know who is in that position like that, i am sure has a plan to relocate if things get hairy right here.

a couple of the musicians i play with have polish visas and are well known there. gonna see the leader tmw. going to ask a lot of questions.

the kid i know would split to spain and has the means but feels also that he should stay because it's his country.
 
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