naegling62
Veteran Member
Nevertheless, they are reporting what he is doing.
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Grumphau
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If there really are 1000 tanks moving to Ukraine, which seems doubtful to me, I think it's a lot more likely that we've sold/donated them to the Ukraine and they will be manned by Ukrainians. We have thousands of tanks stored at Sierra Army Depot in Nevada; we could just send a fraction of those to the Ukes to help bolster their heavy equipment. It would give the Russians hell too.
Vegas321
Live free and survive
My first thought... What is the movement on the rails going East of there...
You get DOCUMENTED video of tank movement, granted from an "iffy" source Hal Lindsey, with video to back it up.
You get CONFIRMATION about a general mobilization of railroad crews in conus, homecanner in post 1706 and you poo poo that.
THEIS ON THE MOVE TO THE UKRAINE. maybe less than 1000. Maybe not.
Quoting wikipedia is a joke. They are a radical Marxist toxic site spewing hate towards patriots.
We will know by Christmas one way or another. I'm keeping in touch with Oreally who will get the third level of verification at actual train stations.
The deep state wants a war with putin and EVERYTHING I posted confirms that.
Besides, I posted this FIRST in private conversations with housecarl, daniel and Oreally because I knew the info would be trashed. However when it was confirmex by video of tanks moving I gave the head's up to the board. As usual timebomb is ahead of the curve.
And when you add the tank video to the conus railroad crew alert you got your 1000 tanks in motion from bulgaria back to conus.
It is a FACT massive amounts of NATO supplies are now, and have been in motion to the ukraine, ESPECIALL the last 3 months by planes and roll of ships. One to odessa last month.
"Documented" is a stretch. It shows 12 flat beds on the move in the dark. You cant identify whos they are or even where they are.
As for the railroad, I have a relative who is a foreman on one of those crews. I reached out to him this morning.
He is seeing no increased mil traffic and that all the railroads are hard pressed to get crews to run normal traffic. There is no slack in the system right now. No extra crews to call in. Also thought it was odd that only UP and BNSF would be reported as called up as those are west coast and most European mil traffic goes out.
Personally I am watching the MSC USNS T-AK transport ships. They are going to be the first that will be used to move large numbers of heavy equipment to Europe. Currently there is nothing out of the ordinary in their positions and I am seeing nothing unusual from the folks I know that are on them. While I have no contacts on any of the ARC vessels, they are another one to watch as they are US flagged and will be put into US service very quickly if anything breaks out.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Russia published out in the open their demands:
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
On Friday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry published a document detailing security proposals it put forward to the US and NATO as Moscow is eager to begin negotiating for guarantees from the Western powers. The requests reflect statements from Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials that have been made over the past month as tensions have been simmering over Ukraine. One of Moscow’s main concerns is over NATO’s eastward expansion.
According to Russia’s TASS news agency, the document says the US should "take measures to prevent further eastward expansion" of NATO and ensure no more former Soviet states, such as Ukraine, join the military alliance. The Russians want the US to pledge not to build any bases or use military infrastructure in former Soviet states that are not NATO members.
Image source: NORAD
The proposal calls for the US and Russia to refrain from deploying military forces to areas where such deployments can be viewed as a threat. The document reads:
Russia repeated a call in its proposal for a moratorium on the deployment of intermediate-range missiles that were previously banned under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which the US withdrew from in 2019.
The proposal also addressed the deployment of nuclear weapons. "The Parties shall refrain from deploying nuclear weapons outside their national territories and return such weapons already deployed outside their national territories," the document says.
Western media reports portrayed Russia’s proposals as "tough demands" that will almost certainly be rejected. NATO officials told The New York Times that the proposal concerning NATO expansion was "unacceptable," although they said they were still open to dialogue with Moscow.
National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Friday that the US was willing to negotiate the proposals with Russia. "We’re going to put on the table our concerns," he said at a Council on Foreign Relations event. A US official told The Associated Press that Washington plans to consult with European allies on Russia’s proposals and plans to respond to Moscow sometime next week.
For their part, the Russians are eager to negotiate. "We are ready to immediately, even tomorrow — literally tomorrow, on Saturday, December 18th — to go for talks with the US in a third country," said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO | ZeroHedge
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
On Friday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry published a document detailing security proposals it put forward to the US and NATO as Moscow is eager to begin negotiating for guarantees from the Western powers. The requests reflect statements from Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials that have been made over the past month as tensions have been simmering over Ukraine. One of Moscow’s main concerns is over NATO’s eastward expansion.
According to Russia’s TASS news agency, the document says the US should "take measures to prevent further eastward expansion" of NATO and ensure no more former Soviet states, such as Ukraine, join the military alliance. The Russians want the US to pledge not to build any bases or use military infrastructure in former Soviet states that are not NATO members.
Image source: NORADThe proposal calls for the US and Russia to refrain from deploying military forces to areas where such deployments can be viewed as a threat. The document reads:
Over the past year, the US and its NATO allies have stepped up military activity in the Black Sea, near Russian territory. In November, Moscow said US bombers were rehearsing attacks on Russia and came within 12.4 miles of the country’s borders.
Russia repeated a call in its proposal for a moratorium on the deployment of intermediate-range missiles that were previously banned under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which the US withdrew from in 2019.
The proposal also addressed the deployment of nuclear weapons. "The Parties shall refrain from deploying nuclear weapons outside their national territories and return such weapons already deployed outside their national territories," the document says.
Western media reports portrayed Russia’s proposals as "tough demands" that will almost certainly be rejected. NATO officials told The New York Times that the proposal concerning NATO expansion was "unacceptable," although they said they were still open to dialogue with Moscow.
National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Friday that the US was willing to negotiate the proposals with Russia. "We’re going to put on the table our concerns," he said at a Council on Foreign Relations event. A US official told The Associated Press that Washington plans to consult with European allies on Russia’s proposals and plans to respond to Moscow sometime next week.
For their part, the Russians are eager to negotiate. "We are ready to immediately, even tomorrow — literally tomorrow, on Saturday, December 18th — to go for talks with the US in a third country," said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO | ZeroHedge
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Russia published out in the open their demands:
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO
Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
On Friday, Russia’s Foreign Ministry published a document detailing security proposals it put forward to the US and NATO as Moscow is eager to begin negotiating for guarantees from the Western powers. The requests reflect statements from Russian President Vladimir Putin and other Russian officials that have been made over the past month as tensions have been simmering over Ukraine. One of Moscow’s main concerns is over NATO’s eastward expansion.
According to Russia’s TASS news agency, the document says the US should "take measures to prevent further eastward expansion" of NATO and ensure no more former Soviet states, such as Ukraine, join the military alliance. The Russians want the US to pledge not to build any bases or use military infrastructure in former Soviet states that are not NATO members.
The proposal calls for the US and Russia to refrain from deploying military forces to areas where such deployments can be viewed as a threat. The document reads:
Over the past year, the US and its NATO allies have stepped up military activity in the Black Sea, near Russian territory. In November, Moscow said US bombers were rehearsing attacks on Russia and came within 12.4 miles of the country’s borders.
Russia repeated a call in its proposal for a moratorium on the deployment of intermediate-range missiles that were previously banned under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, which the US withdrew from in 2019.
The proposal also addressed the deployment of nuclear weapons. "The Parties shall refrain from deploying nuclear weapons outside their national territories and return such weapons already deployed outside their national territories," the document says.
Western media reports portrayed Russia’s proposals as "tough demands" that will almost certainly be rejected. NATO officials told The New York Times that the proposal concerning NATO expansion was "unacceptable," although they said they were still open to dialogue with Moscow.
National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Friday that the US was willing to negotiate the proposals with Russia. "We’re going to put on the table our concerns," he said at a Council on Foreign Relations event. A US official told The Associated Press that Washington plans to consult with European allies on Russia’s proposals and plans to respond to Moscow sometime next week.
For their part, the Russians are eager to negotiate. "We are ready to immediately, even tomorrow — literally tomorrow, on Saturday, December 18th — to go for talks with the US in a third country," said Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
Russia Publishes Details Of Security Proposals Sent To US & NATO | ZeroHedge
Does Putin realize that our "leaders" are insane? As in bug nuts? It is a crying shame that We the People (and the Earth herself) will have to endure the spanking that should be theirs alone. I wonder how many miles are left before the tanks get to their destination? Putin is doing everything he can to walk this back, but if we don't meet him halfway, he will have no choice. And I do not blame him at all.
Heavy lies the crown.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
Sadly war is coming lots of people are going to be killed because of bad choices from a few people
I fear that you are correct
Sicario
The Executor
Isn't that how it's always worked?
homecanner1
Veteran Member
Bear in mind these are comments and replies, not my own personal feelings. Using the search term ‘tanks’ to get a feel for the chatter out there. Some more:
#1 “…Russia will invade Ukraine on January 9th, 2022. Its already decided. Plan accordingly. Ground will be frozen allowing tanks and heavy vehicles to navigate the terrain…”
#2 “…MASSIVE amounts of US HEAVY ARMOR Equipment being shipped into the region via the NE Greek Port of Alexandroupolis.
Alexandreoupolis is just south of Bulgaria by a few miles and on the main rail line that goes directly up to Bulgaria's Black Sea transportation hub which has good rail connections on up into Romania. Romania is immediately south of Ukraine and north of Bulgaria.
The Turks are estimating that the US was shipping in through Alexandroupolis 1000+- Abrams Tanks, plus all the other stuff necessary to support that size of armor force.
For those of you unaware that is enough HEAVY armor for 3 US armored DIVISIONS (9 Brigades) or 2 US armored DIVISIONS plus 2 Infantry DIVISIONS. A US Division is 12,000 to 15,000 soldiers depending upon it's make up fwiw ... so the US is shipping in the equipment for 35,000 to 55,000 US boots to hit the ground…”
(Poster is using this article as basis for his statement: Port of Alexandroupolis, Greece Hosts US Largest-Ever Military Landing)
poster #3 is confirming locality of Hal’s video re a sign on the utility pole
#3 “…Its in Bulgaria. He's heading west on the highway, the sun is setting. You can see the sign at 7 seconds remaining in the video for the city of Svoge, and also Kalotina is readable on the same sign….”
my own thoughts: there was speculation Putin won’t make a move till after Orthodox Christmas on the 7th. It also occurs to me Zhou Bai den seems to want our hardware out of CONUS. To prevent a needed mobilization here to keep order OR secured overseas to protect it in reserve from some other calamity?
adding Tony@cyberspec1 has some good images on twitter
And this would not be the first time something posted by Hal set off heated debate here. Personally I am continually amazed by his resources and contacts. But he is second only to LaRouche at ability to stir ructions here. Scour twitter vids to verify always
#1 “…Russia will invade Ukraine on January 9th, 2022. Its already decided. Plan accordingly. Ground will be frozen allowing tanks and heavy vehicles to navigate the terrain…”
#2 “…MASSIVE amounts of US HEAVY ARMOR Equipment being shipped into the region via the NE Greek Port of Alexandroupolis.
Alexandreoupolis is just south of Bulgaria by a few miles and on the main rail line that goes directly up to Bulgaria's Black Sea transportation hub which has good rail connections on up into Romania. Romania is immediately south of Ukraine and north of Bulgaria.
The Turks are estimating that the US was shipping in through Alexandroupolis 1000+- Abrams Tanks, plus all the other stuff necessary to support that size of armor force.
For those of you unaware that is enough HEAVY armor for 3 US armored DIVISIONS (9 Brigades) or 2 US armored DIVISIONS plus 2 Infantry DIVISIONS. A US Division is 12,000 to 15,000 soldiers depending upon it's make up fwiw ... so the US is shipping in the equipment for 35,000 to 55,000 US boots to hit the ground…”
(Poster is using this article as basis for his statement: Port of Alexandroupolis, Greece Hosts US Largest-Ever Military Landing)
poster #3 is confirming locality of Hal’s video re a sign on the utility pole
#3 “…Its in Bulgaria. He's heading west on the highway, the sun is setting. You can see the sign at 7 seconds remaining in the video for the city of Svoge, and also Kalotina is readable on the same sign….”
my own thoughts: there was speculation Putin won’t make a move till after Orthodox Christmas on the 7th. It also occurs to me Zhou Bai den seems to want our hardware out of CONUS. To prevent a needed mobilization here to keep order OR secured overseas to protect it in reserve from some other calamity?
adding Tony@cyberspec1 has some good images on twitter
And this would not be the first time something posted by Hal set off heated debate here. Personally I am continually amazed by his resources and contacts. But he is second only to LaRouche at ability to stir ructions here. Scour twitter vids to verify always
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If it is true, it is safe to assume that moving the armor out of the US is not in the best interest of America.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Who set Germany up to be the spokes-nation? Was that decided before? Isn't NATO supposed to be a partnership of countries? Do we all even get a vote? What about We The People of all the Nations? Yeah, I know...
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
This is why this started as a private conversation between moi. Daniel, Housecarl, and Oreally since I KNEW the would fly, as it has. My birthday is January 9th so that's out.
So far EVERYTHING, except possibly the 1000 tanks has been vetted in terms of location etc.
Further, obama had 2 years to stuff the ukraine and biden had almost a year. I'm also glad somebody backed me up on tank storage. They built 20,000 plus abrahams at least. We are using maybe 6000 of them active and reserve.
I also never said they would have woke american crews for the grinder. Ukrainian crews is plausible. No difference really. Putin won't tolerate 5 modern supplied ukie divisions.
They go over the border, whatever their status and he will vaporize the train station.
would fly, as it has. My birthday is January 9th so that's out.So far EVERYTHING, except possibly the 1000 tanks has been vetted in terms of location etc.
Further, obama had 2 years to stuff the ukraine and biden had almost a year. I'm also glad somebody backed me up on tank storage. They built 20,000 plus abrahams at least. We are using maybe 6000 of them active and reserve.
I also never said they would have woke american crews for the grinder. Ukrainian crews is plausible. No difference really. Putin won't tolerate 5 modern supplied ukie divisions.
They go over the border, whatever their status and he will vaporize the train station.
Marie
Veteran Member
Whether or not they initially put in U.S. troops.This is why this started as a private conversation between moi. Daniel, Housecarl, and Oreally since I KNEW the
So far EVERYTHING, except possibly the 1000 tanks has been vetted in terms of location etc.
Further, obama had 2 years to stuff the ukraine and biden had almost a year. I'm also glad somebody backed me up on tank storage. They built 20,000 plus abrahams at least. We are using maybe 6000 of them active and reserve.
I also never said they would have woke american crews for the grinder. Ukrainian crews is plausible. No difference really. Putin won't tolerate 5 modern supplied ukie divisions.
They go over the border, whatever their status and he will vaporize the train station.
As sure as God made little green apples, there will be boots on the ground if this goes hot.
TheChrome
Contributing Member
If you know history, Woodrow Wilson ran for president on the pretext that the US would not enter WWI. He actually wanted the US to enter the war in reality, and so eventually they did with the Lusitania and U-boat attacks being a scapegoat. It is very similar during the tenure of Franklin Roosevelt. Same sort of deal. There is some evidence at least that the US knew that Pearl Harbor was going to take place.
I wouldn't be surprised at all, if some sort of "event" took place during a Russian invasion of Ukraine, that the US or it's allies would use as justification for entering the war. Even though it would appear that that would not be the case at the moment.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
When they finally had the technology for the deep dives they needed to reach the Luisitania they CONFIRMED it was carrying live ammo for Britain just like the Germans said it was. FDR lied about entering World War Two in 1940, and he did everything he could to bait Japan, move the fleet to Pearl Harbor from San Diego, cut off critical material to Japan etc.
It was the lack of aid for the 1926 Earthquake in Japan that convinced them, along with the racist anti Japan immigration laws that the USA despised Asians. This was what gave the militarists their edge in taking over.
LIke now, they badly underestimated Japan, just like we are underestimating Russia and China.
It was the lack of aid for the 1926 Earthquake in Japan that convinced them, along with the racist anti Japan immigration laws that the USA despised Asians. This was what gave the militarists their edge in taking over.
LIke now, they badly underestimated Japan, just like we are underestimating Russia and China.
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
1000 tanks seem extreme.
Likely exgarated.
Likely exgarated.
jward
passin' thru
Andy Scollick
@Andy_Scollick
2m
"Russia will give a military response if NATO continues to attack pain points, said the head of the Russian delegation in Vienna"
View: https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1472878126292246535?s=20
@Andy_Scollick
2m
"Russia will give a military response if NATO continues to attack pain points, said the head of the Russian delegation in Vienna"
View: https://twitter.com/Andy_Scollick/status/1472878126292246535?s=20
jward
passin' thru
marqs
@MarQs__
2m
#Putin will take part in an expanded meeting of the Ministry of Defense and will hold a meeting with the Security Council of the Russian Federation tomorrow - Kremlin
@MarQs__
2m
#Putin will take part in an expanded meeting of the Ministry of Defense and will hold a meeting with the Security Council of the Russian Federation tomorrow - Kremlin
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
As for donations of tanks. Not likely.
Ukraine has its own tanks.
If the balloon goes up in under a month, not enough time to train Ukraine crews.
Ukraine has its own tanks.
If the balloon goes up in under a month, not enough time to train Ukraine crews.
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
Maybe some of this is true.You get DOCUMENTED video of tank movement, granted from an "iffy" source Hal Lindsey, with video to back it up.
You get CONFIRMATION about a general mobilization of railroad crews in conus, homecanner in post 1706 and you poo poo that.
THE
Quoting wikipedia is a joke. They are a radical Marxist toxic site spewing hate towards patriots.
We will know by Christmas one way or another. I'm keeping in touch with Oreally who will get the third level of verification at actual train stations.
The deep state wants a war with putin and EVERYTHING I posted confirms that.
Besides, I posted this FIRST in private conversations with housecarl, daniel and Oreally because I knew the info would be trashed. However when it was confirmex by video of tanks moving I gave the head's up to the board. As usual timebomb is ahead of the curve.
And when you add the tank video to the conus railroad crew alert you got your 1000 tanks in motion from bulgaria back to conus.
It is a FACT massive amounts of NATO supplies are now, and have been in motion to the ukraine, ESPECIALL the last 3 months by planes and roll of ships. One to odessa last month.
This is why this started as a private conversation between moi. Daniel, Housecarl, and Oreally since I KNEW the
So far EVERYTHING, except possibly the 1000 tanks has been vetted in terms of location etc.
Further, obama had 2 years to stuff the ukraine and biden had almost a year. I'm also glad somebody backed me up on tank storage. They built 20,000 plus abrahams at least. We are using maybe 6000 of them active and reserve.
I also never said they would have woke american crews for the grinder. Ukrainian crews is plausible. No difference really. Putin won't tolerate 5 modern supplied ukie divisions.
They go over the border, whatever their status and he will vaporize the train station.
Approx 10000 Abrams have been manufactured.
Sicario
The Executor
In chess (and war) you take turns moving game pieces.
jward
passin' thru
Dougie says January 9th is out due to BD. I have said that things pop off along side the NYE champagne corks, so that rules out the 31st/1st. . .
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Some have always seen Nato as the movers of events
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Some have always seen Nato as the movers of events
So it's the same to move troops in your country as to send them half way around the world? To avoid the obtuse... Having China station tanks in Mexico is the same as the US stationing troops in El Paso?
jward
passin' thru
Kyle Glen
@KyleJGlen
Significant interference of the Sentinel-1 SAR images over eastern Ukraine. This can be caused by powerful military radars.
I've just looked back over the last year and found approx. 16 other examples of similar interference in this region. This isn't hugely rare but its not that common either
View: https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1472880156876419072?s=20
@KyleJGlen
Significant interference of the Sentinel-1 SAR images over eastern Ukraine. This can be caused by powerful military radars.
I've just looked back over the last year and found approx. 16 other examples of similar interference in this region. This isn't hugely rare but its not that common either
View: https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/1472880156876419072?s=20
jward
passin' thru
Liveuamap
@Liveuamap
4h
More threats from Russia this Monday Russia will give a military response if NATO continue offensive on sensitive points, - Russian envoy at contact group on security and arms control in Vienna https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2021/20-december-russia-will-give-a-military-response-if-nato
#Russia
View: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1472841819834753028?s=20
@Liveuamap
4h
More threats from Russia this Monday Russia will give a military response if NATO continue offensive on sensitive points, - Russian envoy at contact group on security and arms control in Vienna https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2021/20-december-russia-will-give-a-military-response-if-nato
#Russia
View: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1472841819834753028?s=20
Are these posts on TB or on a different board?
Sicario
The Executor
Wow! Did I say all that? All I meant to say is that it is customary to take turns moving assets in games of conquest.
The media likes to call any armored vehicle a "tank". There would definitely be tracked armored troop carriers, self propelled artillery, etc. Accompanying any tank deployment. Combined arms being what it is.
1000 combat vehicles is very doable and even probable as NATO seems to want this fight.
It wasn't point at you in particular... Sorry for that.
The point is some are claiming Russia is being the aggressor by stationing troops on their own ground. Which is absurd.
OldAndCrazy
Pureblood Forever
I see, what I believe, are many posts from other boards I sometimes hit. All the same info, just getting spread around, might not be a bad thing.
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Absolutely and that is most likely the case.
That comment was in response to Doug stating that over 20000 "Abraham" tanks have been produced. That is not true.
As I was digging I did find a video from May 2021 where the Liberty Promise unloaded another air unit for the annual NATO exercises and another where a similar unit was loaded for return to Fort Riley KS. I am trying to find actual footage or pictures of tanks and heavy equipment or actual first person reports. i.e good solid intel.
naegling62
Veteran Member
Has anyone kept up with food movements? All this hardware moving around is interesting but it's all show if the Russian's aren't bringing in food infrastructure to feed the impending invasion.
It's like I deal with in business, if someone is telling me how well they're doing, I check their dumpster to determine if they are lying.
It's like I deal with in business, if someone is telling me how well they're doing, I check their dumpster to determine if they are lying.
There have been multiple reports of the Russians bringing in medical, fuel and other supply units that are not normally seen during exercises. I havent seen anything specific to food though I would guess that if those other supply units are there so is the food.
this date makes sense to me.
ground is as hard as it is going to be.
orthodox Christmas is jan 6, so that is over.
this gives Putin time to, hopefully, from his prospective, to wrap things up before the winter Olympics in Beijing on feb 7.
so, living there, i am planning on a last food run on jan 3-4, to put up at least 3 months of stuff for two people.
after that, chaos.