INTL Royal family cues British media for major announcement 'at any moment'/Update Kate has cancer #225

bluelady

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No, what is unusual is that they arrived by helicopter all day long, one after the other on the front of BP and then all flew back to Balmoral in Scotland and landed there, one after the other. Yes, most live in the UK, but they dont all go at once to the King's home residences on the same day. Something is up.
Yeah, that's more than something about Kate; IMHO she could actually die and it wouldn't create that kind of response. Sounds to me like Charles is either soon to pass away, or that he is disabled enough to need a regent.

In looking it up, due to the people who showed up, it sounds like if not his imminent death, it could be a temporary situation rather than long-term regent. . At the moment, they might pass up William for this, and certainly Harry, so it would be down to Andrew, Beatrice, Anne, and maybe Edward if the Queen isn't up to it either. Maybe he's facing significant surgery?


"What if the King is temporarily incapacitated?

The Regency Act 1937 created the office of Counsellor of State to cover short term absences where a regency would be unnecessary. If the King cannot undertake his official duties on a temporary basis due to illness, two or more Counsellors of State are appointed by Letters Patent to act in his place.

The Counsellors of State are Queen Camilla and the next four people in the line of succession over the age of 21: Prince William, Prince Harry, Prince Andrew and Princess Beatrice. Princess Anne and Prince Edward were also empowered to act as Counsellors of State again by the Counsellors of State Act 2022, since Prince Harry and Prince Andrew are no longer ‘working royals’, and Princess Beatrice has never been one. So from the formal pool of seven potential Counsellors of State, there are only four who are likely to be chosen: the Queen, Prince William, Princess Anne and Prince Edward."

If it were a permanent regency the people involved would be different:

"Who decides that the King is incapable?

The people who can make a declaration of incapacity are the Sovereign’s spouse, the Lord Chancellor, Lord Chief Justice, Master of the Rolls, and Speaker of the House of Commons (as of February 2024, these are the Queen, Alex Chalk MP, Baroness (Sue) Carr, Sir Geoffrey Vos and Sir Lindsay Hoyle MP). Any declaration of incapacity needs to be signed by three or more of them. Declarations need to be supported by evidence including medical evidence."

 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
No, what is unusual is that they arrived by helicopter all day long, one after the other on the front of BP and then all flew back to Balmoral in Scotland and landed there, one after the other. Yes, most live in the UK, but they dont all go at once to the King's home residences on the same day. Something is up.

Wasnt a rumor. It was a "stand by" announcement from Buckingham Palace that there is impending news. No time frame given. If Charles has taken a turn for the worst, then it is likely giving time for family to get in peacefully without the media storm to say goodbyes and to get in and gather and waiting Charles out. They wont announce the King is dead until he is gone, and there is no schedule for that.

Or...he is abdicating and giving the throne to Wm before he dies, but that doesnt explain the family parade via helicopter all day. So likelly Charles isnt doing well and they all are coming in to say goodbyes and plan for funeral.
Well, as far as I have seen it all goes back to a tweet from an influencer that says that BBC says "Stand BY". - but I haven't seen an actual statement from the BBC that says that.
 

Dash

Veteran Member
Sarah Ferguson, William and Harry's Aunt. She was married to Prince Andrew. Her daughters are in line to the throne. She is not eligible to be regent because she is not on line for the throne

Succession is - William(1), Williams, children: George (2), Charlotte (3), then Louis (4), then Prince Andrew (5), then Beatrice (6) and Eugenie (7), his daughters.

So if William abdicates, then it is George, who is only 10 since Harry also abdicated and lost all claim to the throne. The official regent would be Harry until George reaches the age of 18. But requirements are that Harry be over 21, be of royal descent and have a domicile in the UK, which I dont think they have anymore since they sold Frogmore Cottage. However, with amendment, the Duchess of Cambridge (Katherine) could be appointed regent.

But all this is probably mute because this is the LAST scenario I would guess. Most likely it is an announcement that Charles doesnt have much longer and they are setting up William to take the crown.
Harry never abdicated or lost his place in the line of succession. Right now the LoS is as follows…

1. The Prince of Wales
2. Prince George of Wales
3. Princess Charlotte of Wales
4. Prince Louis of Wales
5. The Duke of Sussex
6. Prince Archie of Sussex
7. Princess Lilibet of Sussex
8. The Duke of York
9. Princess Beatrice, Mrs. Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi
10. Miss Sienna Mapelli Mozzi
11. Princess Eugenie, Mrs. Jack Brooksbank
12. Master August Brooksbank
13. Master Ernest Brooksbank
14. The Duke of Edinburgh
15. Earl of Wessex
16. The Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor
17. The Princess Royal
18. Mr. Peter Phillips
19. Miss Savannah Phillips
20. Miss Isla Phillips
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member

Reports suggesting that the BBC is on standby for major Royal Family announcement have not been confirmed​


The British media is abuzz with anticipation over a potential 'major announcement' from the Royal Family. Reports suggest that the BBC Events production unit has been put on standby for what's being described as an "extremely important" revelation from the Royals, expected to come at any moment. However, these reports remain unconfirmed.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member

Royal announcement BBC​

News of a "palace announcement" began trending over the weekend, specifically that the BBC had been told to be on alert for an imminent announcement from the Royal Family.

The rumor grew and began to spread specifically on X, formerly known as Twitter, though no evidence supported the claim.

As of Monday, X is now circulating a community note that "the source claiming that BBC Events has been told to prepare for ‘an extremely important royal announcement’ is a false rumor."

X said the claim originated from the Instagram page "popapologists."
 

Dash

Veteran Member
No, what is unusual is that they arrived by helicopter all day long, one after the other on the front of BP and then all flew back to Balmoral in Scotland and landed there, one after the other. Yes, most live in the UK, but they dont all go at once to the King's home residences on the same day. Something is up.
Where did you see this? I just looked at the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times, Express, the Sun & BBC and I don’t see anything about a parade of Royals visiting the King.

Also, the Duke of Gloucester is a first cousin of the late Queen, same as Princess Alexandra. He & Birgitte are not Charles’s uncle & aunt.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wasnt a rumor. It was a "stand by" announcement from Buckingham Palace that there is impending news. No time frame given. If Charles has taken a turn for the worst, then it is likely giving time for family to get in peacefully without the media storm to say goodbyes and to get in and gather and waiting Charles out. They wont announce the King is dead until he is gone, and there is no schedule for that.

I just read the announcement as being it was imminent, not something that would go on for days, before the announcement was actually made. Since I saw it as being imminent, I figured the royals had already made their plans for whatever the reason and was about to announce it publicly. I guess I was wrong.

I don't think anyone can deny that something big is going on over there. Rumors and lots of speculation will continue, until some sort of announcement is made, officially.

Unless someone has insider information inside the Royal family, all we can do is speculate. Could an announcement be made in the coming days? Yes. Could Charles abdicate to William or die tomorrow, I doubt it, but anything is possible.
 
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SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Royal announcement BBC​

News of a "palace announcement" began trending over the weekend, specifically that the BBC had been told to be on alert for an imminent announcement from the Royal Family.

The rumor grew and began to spread specifically on X, formerly known as Twitter, though no evidence supported the claim.

As of Monday, X is now circulating a community note that "the source claiming that BBC Events has been told to prepare for ‘an extremely important royal announcement’ is a false rumor."

X said the claim originated from the Instagram page "popapologists."

Thanks for that tidbit. I feel vindicated.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There seem to be several issues going on.

1. The announcement. I found another public outlet, but it said it would be available over the next several days. Otherwise, it may just have been something that came up (or was placed)on social media that went viral.

2. Is Kate (and the William and Kate Brand) OK, or is there a problem?

3. The most peculiar thing is the sudden traveling in and up to Balmoral of the majority of the members of the Royal Clan. That does suggest that something is going on. The most likely thing going on is replanning the Regency Act (there can always be a new one) in light of the current situation, or Charles isn't dead yet, but he wants time to say goodbye to those he cares about. Or it could be a combination of both. Charles wanted to discuss changes that he would like to see happen should he be unable to perform his duties, either from the side effects of his illness or his death.

I'm sure none of the Palace "Mauvens" want to see a repeat of the chaos behind the scenes when The Queen took a sudden turn for the worse. Even Charles didn't make it back in time, and then there was Harry. Regardless of his bad choices, he was in the UK, and this was his Grandmother. The way he was treated seemed chaotic and a bit cruel. By the time he was able to sort things out and chart a private plane, his "Gran" died while he was in the air. He probably couldn't have made it anyway (Charles was much closer geographically, and he didn't). However, despite public dislike for Meghan (for some good reasons), how Harry was treated did not go over well with much of the public.

Not only that, but the whole thing seemed rather shambolic, with the public being slow-fed dribs and drabs of information for hours even though it was starting to become blindingly obvious (as the Royals all flew in to gather together) what probably had happened. I knew for sure when they put on one of the Queen's close friends and tried to interview her as if she were alive. BBC (or Sky) had to cut the feed when the women burst into heart-rendering sobs and could not stop or be comforted. But it was still several more hours before the official news came out.

I think the Royal Handers, if not the family itself, are starting to realize, in the days of a 24/7 news cycle and the internet, the old practice of waiting hours or even days to "proclaim" the death of a monarch or high-positioned royal, doesn't work the way it used to. It causes a worse public reaction (and sometimes panic) than respectfully announcing the sad and occasionally unexpected news that So and So has died. Then began leading the public through the symbols and protocols of the funeral and later coronation of the new monarch—or other rituals if it is another family member.
 

Dash

Veteran Member
3. The most peculiar thing is the sudden traveling in and up to Balmoral of the majority of the members of the Royal Clan. That does suggest that something is going on. The most likely thing going on is replanning the Regency Act (there can always be a new one) in light of the current situation, or Charles isn't dead yet, but he wants time to say goodbye to those he cares about. Or it could be a combination of both. Charles wanted to discuss changes that he would like to see happen should he be unable to perform his duties, either from the side effects of his illness or his death.
Do you have a source for this? I have not seen anything that says the majority of the members of the RF have been visiting Charles. Never mind that any of them are at Balmoral.
I'm sure none of the Palace "Mauvens" want to see a repeat of the chaos behind the scenes when The Queen took a sudden turn for the worse. Even Charles didn't make it back in time
Charles was not with the Queen the moment she passed but he did make It in time to see her before she died. This was confirmed in Robert Hardman’s recent biography of the King.

As for Harry, he put himself I that position. He could’ve got on the plane with William, Andrew, Edward & Sophie as soon as he was told of the Queen’s condition. Instead he chose to argue about bringing Meghan after he was told to come alone. His actions cost all of them the chance to see the Queen before she died. By the time they took off without him it was too late.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I'm involved in a couple of organizations in which the accepted rituals date back a few minutes (or centuries, depending) and while those have virtually NOTHING to do with the time frames involved, the Rituals STILL make a difference for those of us who observe them. The rituals around funerals/death are comforting for the surviving Brothers and family. The Induction rituals are energizing for those of us JUST A SHADE past our Prime and they comfort some of us who at one time had no sense of what we were enacting. (Mostly due to our inexperience in "Later Life" issues and events.)

And the Royal Family and Royal Rituals need to be understood in that way.
However, despite public dislike for Meghan (for some good reasons), how Harry was treated did not go over well with much of the public.
THUS gives me a bit of hope that his image can be rehabilitated "for the Good of The Crown" as it were.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Do you have a source for this? I have not seen anything that says the majority of the members of the RF have been visiting Charles. Never mind that any of them are at Balmoral.

Charles was not with the Queen the moment she passed but he did make It in time to see her before she died. This was confirmed in Robert Hardman’s recent biography of the King.

As for Harry, he put himself I that position. He could’ve got on the plane with William, Andrew, Edward & Sophie as soon as he was told of the Queen’s condition. Instead he chose to argue about bringing Meghan after he was told to come alone. His actions cost all of them the chance to see the Queen before she died. By the time they took off without him it was too late.
My source is limited; it is from the poster who posted it here a couple of pages back, so it could be made up. Sadly, while I find this all somewhat interesting, I don't have time to look at everything. If I see an article about this, I will post it or a link (if it is in The Mail). But if the reports are true, it looks like Charles is fading or perhaps some other problem is happening.

Opinions differ on Harry's predicament. Some stories say that Harry wasn't even contacted about the plane option. Others say he didn't get on because he wanted to bring Meghan. I don't know the answer, but the impression I got was that the whole mess seemed to the public to be a bit shambolic (not just Harry, but the way the whole this was handled and reported). While the news was hours and hours of speculation on the topic (and almost nothing else) the Palace kept quiet. Instead of just being able (after an hour and the phone calls to family were made) to have the appointed BBC reporter dressed in black give the news followed by (or at the same time) while in London with the Cryer ringing his bell and doing it the old fashioned way.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Hoping this is legit. Comments are all over the place, of course; I'm expecting a reprise of "Paul is dead!" at any moment...LOL!
I am pretty sure it is legit. I heard it mentioned on the news, but I'm not certain. Things have been moving too fast and a bit too crazy today, to be certain. But I am pretty sure it is accurate. Notice she seems better but also very thin (so was I when I looked like "The wreck of a ruined Viking Ship."
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Camila is Queen Consort, not Queen. Consort just means she is married to the King, but in no way shape or form can she reign or even regent. It was part of the agreement when QE allowed Charles and Camila to marry. The planned regent for George is Harry, unless circumstances change. Harry must remain domiciled in the UK. But that doesnt mean he needs to live there. Should he become Regent, he would need to move back to the UK. The moment he legally does something to convert his permanent residence to the US, this nullifies his regency for George and it falls to Edward.

Obama was just coincidence. When heads of state, and former heads of state come to any country, it is customary to receive them. Obama happened to be in the UK as part of vacation and he met with the PM. Just coincidence. He doesnt have anything to do with the announcement.

As far as the helicopters, I watched a YT live of coverage last night into this morning watching who was coming and going.

If Charles is dying, they wouldnt have made a deal over notifying and getting Harry there. They would have sent a private plane for him and quietly got him and Megan to the Palace. Now wouldnt have been the time to make a big brew-ha ha over Megan coming and they definitely wouldnt have made it a spectacle during an emotional time of mourning. This would be the time to make up and forgive issues as his father dies, not pour salt in the wound.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
If Charles is dying, they wouldnt have made a deal over notifying and getting Harry there. They would have sent a private plane for him and quietly got him and Megan to the Palace. Now wouldnt have been the time to make a big brew-ha ha over Megan coming and they definitely wouldnt have made it a spectacle during an emotional time of mourning. This would be the time to make up and forgive issues as his father dies, not pour salt in the wound.
ALWAYS assuming that someone like Ann or some friend has Harry's ear (or has the right part of his head to land a tire iron on) to "encourage" him to be reasonable.
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Camila is Queen Consort, not Queen. Consort just means she is married to the King, but in no way shape or form can she reign or even regent. It was part of the agreement when QE allowed Charles and Camila to marry. The planned regent for George is Harry, unless circumstances change. Harry must remain domiciled in the UK. But that doesnt mean he needs to live there. Should he become Regent, he would need to move back to the UK. The moment he legally does something to convert his permanent residence to the US, this nullifies his regency for George and it falls to Edward.

Obama was just coincidence. When heads of state, and former heads of state come to any country, it is customary to receive them. Obama happened to be in the UK as part of vacation and he met with the PM. Just coincidence. He doesnt have anything to do with the announcement.

As far as the helicopters, I watched a YT live of coverage last night into this morning watching who was coming and going.

If Charles is dying, they wouldnt have made a deal over notifying and getting Harry there. They would have sent a private plane for him and quietly got him and Megan to the Palace. Now wouldnt have been the time to make a big brew-ha ha over Megan coming and they definitely wouldnt have made it a spectacle during an emotional time of mourning. This would be the time to make up and forgive issues as his father dies, not pour salt in the wound.
True, we use terms like Queen and Kate as shorthand; not really accurate. Camilla didn't replace Elizabeth!! But, I'm a lazy American...LOL!

Right, Camilla can't reign or be regent. But she can do certain other things, like be one of the Counsellors of State (not regent) to rule in a temporary, limited manner for him , and be one of a team that would decide that he is incapacitated enough to need a regent. Who knows what *her* state of health is right now, though.
 

Dash

Veteran Member
True, we use terms like Queen and Kate as shorthand; not really accurate. Camilla didn't replace Elizabeth!! But, I'm a lazy American...LOL!

Right, Camilla can't reign or be regent. But she can do certain other things, like be one of the Counsellors of State (not regent) to rule in a temporary, limited manner for him , and be one of a team that would decide that he is incapacitated enough to need a regent. Who knows what *her* state of health is right now, though.
The difference between Regency and Counsellors of State from the Commons Library…

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https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9374/

Right now the Counsellors of State are the Queen, Prince William, Prince Harry, Prince Andrew, Princess Beatrice, Prince Edward & Princess Anne.

Andrew, Harry, and Beatrice do not perform royal duties. If Prince Harry ceases to be domiciled in the United Kingdom, he shall become ineligible to be a counsellor of state. Anne & Edward were added in 2022 in order to avoid the non-working Royals acting in this capacity.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
The difference between Regency and Counsellors of State from the Commons Library…

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https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9374/

Right now the Counsellors of State are the Queen, Prince William, Prince Harry, Prince Andrew, Princess Beatrice, Prince Edward & Princess Anne.

Andrew, Harry, and Beatrice do not perform royal duties. If Prince Harry ceases to be domiciled in the United Kingdom, he shall become ineligible to be a counsellor of state. Anne & Edward were added in 2022 in order to avoid the non-working Royals acting in this capacity.
This explains why each of them were in the helicopters. Some I watched land at BP, some at another location (I dont remember which - presumably going home). But seems all were either together today, or each in turn visited today. The only other ones to visit today were Prince Richard and Brigitte, who are Charles' aunt and uncle. They both live at Kensington Palace, where Prince William and Princess Kate live when in London, along with the Prince Edward and Princess Katharine of Kent and Princess Eugenie and her husband. It may have been a courtesy if they were close.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
LOLOL!!!

That would actually be humorous when one recognizes that it is IMPOSSIBLE to generate a clone of an adult in fewer years than the target has actually lived.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I keep bringing that up but it doesn't seem to get traction. Someone had to be cloning these famous people when they were babies.
And SOMEHOW providing the clones with all the same experiences along the timeline.
we humans don't clone like fiction...
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Dash

Veteran Member
An interesting tidbit is buried in the below article from the Mirror. Prince William‘s new Private Secretary is also a trustee of the charity Crohn’s & Colitis UK.

Inside behind-scenes plan for Kate's return to public life as aides work 24/7

Inside top secret plan for Kate Middleton's return to public life as aides work around clock​

The Mirror understands two former aides, known for being “well-established public relations experts” have been consulted by the team tasked with devising Kate’s new schedule​


Kensington Palace is working around the clock with publicity big guns on the plan for the Princess of Wales’s return to public life.

A team featuring Kate and Prince Willliam’s closest aides, their communications team and former palace staff members are being consulted as part of the top secret project. Royal sources said courtiers had asked for help and advice after a tumultuous period surrounding the princess’s absence from royal life, following abdominal surgery in January.

The Mirror understands two former aides, known for being “well-established public relations experts” have been consulted by the team tasked with devising Kate’s new schedule after weeks of heightened scrutiny. One of them is her new private secretary, Lt Col Tom White, who joined the royal team in January.

He previously served as an equerry to the late Queen Elizabeth II from November 2020 until her death in September 2022. Prince William ’s new private secretary, former diplomat Ian Patrick, who previously worked for former Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown, is also part of the senior team.

He worked under Lord Ashdown when he was in Bosnia from 2002 to 2006 before joining the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office. Mr Patrick is also a trustee of the charity Crohn’s & Colitis UK.

One source said: “The teams are working round the clock to devise the Princess of Wales’s back-to-work plan after weeks of immense pressure. They all know that the world will be watching after weeks of heightened speculation and often outlandish commentary on social media.”

The decision, sanctioned by both the Prince and Princess of Wales, follows weeks of chaos at Kensington Palace as it struggled to deal with an outbreak of outlandish conspiracy theories over Kate’s condition and whereabouts. The princess, who was last seen on royal duty on Christmas Day, has been unable to carry out official engagements since her admission to hospital for a planned operation.

But a new video emerged last night of the prince and princess visiting a farm shop in Windsor on Saturday, where the couple appeared smiling and chatting while strolling with shopping bags. While Kensington Palace last night reiterated that the princess would not return to royal duties until after Easter, conversations have taken place for her to join her family and other senior royals at church on Easter Sunday.

The Princess of Wales released the photo to mark Mother's Day
Other reports have suggested Kate, 42, may not take part in any public engagements until after April 17, when her children go back to Lambrook School, near Ascot, Berks, following the holidays. The new plan follows the furore over the release by Kensington Palace of a heavily edited photograph taken by Prince William of Kate and their three children to celebrate Mother’s Day.

Hours after appearing on social media and on news sites across the world, internet sleuths identified more than a dozen issues with the photograph which apparently proved it had been edited. Six of the world’s biggest photo agencies, including the Associated Press, Reuters and Getty Images, subsequently announced they had deleted the image from their libraries, saying the picture had been “manipulated”.

The princess later confessed to editing the picture and issued an apology which said she had only done what “many amateur photographers” do routinely. But it prompted respected Agence France-Presse to compare Kensington Palace to North Korea, saying the household was “no longer viewed as a trusted source”.

Meanwhile, Kate has continued her recovery at home in Windsor after spending 13 days at the London Clinic in Marylebone, Central London.

Conversations among members of the senior team are understood to have involved scenarios where the princess might discuss her condition and recovery. Sources said if the princess decides to be more open, she could decide to address it in an interview or podcast, such as when she appeared in 2020 on Giovanna Fletcher ’s podcast, Happy Mum, Happy Baby.

A palace source said: “The team has been very consistent in any updates. When there is something more to say or announce, we will do so.” At the time the palace announced Kate’s hospital stay, sources suggested she may speak about her health battle, but only when she returned to work and felt comfortable in doing so. Charities and organisations the princess is already aligned to are also in the process of being contacted as her schedule is devised, sources said.

A palace source said: “There are ongoing conversations that involve the senior team at Kensington Palace and the communications team. Naturally, conversations are had with former staffers as part of our continued operations.”

The prince and princess are also understood to be close to their former communications chief Jason Knauf, who later became CEO of their charitable Royal Foundation. Mr Knauf, who is now on the board of Prince William’s environmental Earthshot Prize project, was included in King Charles’ first New Year Honours list in December 2022.

He was handed the honour by the heir in May at Windsor Castle, being made a Lieutenant of the Royal Victorian Order for services to the family. He worked for both William and Kate as well as Prince Harry and Meghan, when in October 2018, he emailed his concerns about William’s then-private secretary over allegations of bullying towards staff by the Duchess of Sussex. The Duchess’s legal team have in the past strenuously denied the allegation.
 
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