HEALTH Monkeypox - more bad news

LibertyInNH

Senior Member
Be careful about the pathway of your thinking. It's easy to think, "Well, disease x won't happen to me because I don't smoke, drink, sleep around, etc, etc". It's a normal human thing. "Susie just got diagnosed with cancer - but she smokes and I don't (so that won't happen to me)".

We like to use these 'reasons' to distance ourselves from the possibility that bad things like disease can't happen to us. It's normal, but not the wisest way to think.

I'm sorry - I'm not phrasing things well today at all. It doesn't matter if AIDS is spread by sexual contact - hemophiliacs still got it. People with massive trauma that required blood infusions still got it. Nurses with needlesticks still got it. Don't think that you couldn't end up with moneypox simply because it is (perhaps) mostly spread by sexual contact.
It's more like like the difference between saying:

1) "I don't leave my house therefore I can't be in a car accident vs

2) "I drive safely therefore I can't be in a car accident" vs

3) "I drive drunk and won't be in a car accident."

#1 still has some probability due to a bad driver barreling down the road and smashing into your home. But highly unlikely. Clean healthy monogamous lifestyle. Sure, cancer or something else could affect you, but your risk surface is as minimal as possible.


#2 is calculated risk. Sexually liberated lifestyle, moral compromises, alternative lifestyles, drug use, etc. Could still get cancer, but your risk of it and other diseases are potentially much higher.

#3 is the mindset of depraved people. They get what they deserve, at a cost of high collateral damage, likely to group #2 and potentially group #1.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
They gave smallpox to Indians on blankets.

Fomites.

Monkeypox is genetically similar to smallpox. One vaccine for both diseases.

Clade 2b had something like 50 mutations from the original virus, and that was the mild one.

Only 12% of the monkeypox cases in the U.S. have been gene sequenced. I'll try to find that link again.

Blankets. Fomites. Smallpox is airborne. Air ducts. Read old smallpox studies. Read old precautions. The least fatal version in Indian Territory in 1901 killed 10% of patients. Find it.

But then again, do what? Some of the most draconian public health laws were upheld by the Supreme Court. You find the future by looking back. But then what?
 

Bridey Rose

Veteran Member
Don't confuse Christ meeting the sinners where they were at with his condoning their lifestyle.... just because he met a whore at the well doesn't mean he hung out at the brothel.... or tolerated degenerate conduct in his presence.. he demanded repentance

He always admonished them to go and sin no more!! A far cry from the contemporary love the sinner hate the sin, seeker friendly donut ministry heresy...

The contemporary Sodomites have zero to work with..... PRIDE...

This is Psalm 91 time... pray you are counted worthy to simply observe as the wicked receive their just reward....

Sobering verse!
I hear 'ya, Matt!
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
I don't know what we're supposed to do.

Dude was NOT gay. He caught clade 2b.

He traveled internationally (seats) (shared air in confinement). He attended crowded events (bumping into others) (touching door knobs and railings). He spent nights away from home (sheets, pillows, rugs).

"His travel records indicated a vacation taken in Crete, Greece, about one month prior to the appointment, with two layovers (Orly and Lisbon). Throughout the duration of the stay, multiple occasions featured significant gatherings of people. The individual was not aware of contact with suspected or confirmed cases of MPXV infection or anyone displaying suggestive symptoms in the last 21 days.

In the last three months, he reported having had only one female sexual partner, with the most recent sexual activity occurring over a month ago. He denied any diagnosis of sexually transmitted infections in the last three months. He also denied contact with domestic or wild animals, group sexual activities involving object sharing in the last 21 days, or visits to saunas, Turkish baths, or similar establishments."


 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Those is what they should have done in the monkeypox outbreak in 2022. I don't know why they didn't do it. Maybe to lull people into thinking it's just a gay STD.


Vaccination Strategies | Smallpox | CDC
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In a smallpox emergency, the first-line vaccination strategy will be ring vaccination. This strategy was used to successfully eradicate smallpox in the late 20th century. If there are not enough personnel to trace and vaccinate all contacts quickly enough, public health authorities may augment ring vaccination with a mass vaccination (community-wide) strategy.

The Strategic National Stockpile (SNS)external icon has stockpiled enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate every person in the United States. In a smallpox emergency, the SNSexternal icon will coordinate with the Medical Countermeasures (MCM) coordinator or the preparedness office in the state or territorial health department. The MCM coordinator will allocate vaccine to local areas, depending upon the circumstances of the emergency.

There are three different smallpox vaccines that each require distinct implementation considerations in a smallpox emergency vaccination strategy: ACAM2000®, APSV, and JYNNEOSTM (also known as Imvamune or Imvanex). The following highlighted considerations are not comprehensive. Full documentation of vaccine-related clinical information and implementation considerations are found in the Vaccination section for Clinicians. For more information, refer to the Clinical Guidance for Smallpox Vaccine Use in a Postevent Vaccination Program. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) is currently evaluating JYNNEOSTM for the protection of people at risk of occupational exposure to orthopoxviruses in a pre-event setting.

ACAM2000® and APSV Considerations​

ACAM2000® is licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and will be used if there is ever a smallpox emergency. APSV has a similar safety profile to ACAM2000® and is also held by the Strategic National Stockpile for use in a smallpox emergency. It will be used under an Emergency Use Authorizationexternal icon (EUA) or Investigational New Drug applicationexternal icon (IND) if ACAM2000® is depleted, is not readily available, or on a case-by-case basis for individuals with an allergy to a component of ACAM2000®.

ACAM2000® and APSV are both administered as a single dose by the percutaneous route using the multiple puncture technique. Medical and public health personnel will likely not be familiar with this administration technique, so both advance and just-in-time training will be needed. Training for this unfamiliar method of vaccination may take a couple of hours, even among experienced medical personnel.

ACAM2000® and APSV are live virus vaccines containing vaccinia virus. Those vaccinated with either of these vaccines who do not properly care for their vaccination site may spread the vaccinia virus to other parts of their body or to other people, and therefore require vigilant vaccination site care from the day of vaccination until the scab falls off, which usually happens about 14 to 21 days later.
Educate vaccinees on how to care for their vaccination sites properly, what a “take” should look like, and how to seek care for and report any serious adverse events to vaccination. Full immunity is achieved after the confirmation of a “take” 6 to 8 days after vaccination.

JYNNEOSTM Considerations​

JYNNEOS is licensed by the FDA for the prevention of smallpox and monkeypox. It is also marketed under the brand names Imvamune and Imvanex in Canada and the European Union, respectively.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) is currently evaluating JYNNEOSTM for the protection of people at risk of occupational exposure to orthopoxviruses in a pre-event setting. Unlike ACAM2000® and APSV, JYNNEOSTM is administered subcutaneously as two doses separated by 4 weeks (one dose at week 0 and a second dose at week 4) for primary vaccinees (individuals who have never been vaccinated against smallpox or do not recall receiving a smallpox vaccine in the past). Individuals previously vaccinated against smallpox receive one dose.
Full immunity may not develop until 2 weeks after the second dose (for primary vaccinees). This delay may leave individuals not fully protected for up to 6 weeks after their initial vaccination. Individuals receiving JYNNEOSTM will need to be especially vigilant to avoid exposure to smallpox patients and the vaccination sites of those vaccinated with ACAM2000® or APSV during the 6 weeks after receiving the first dose and before developing immunity. Smallpox vaccination plans should include ways to ensure these vaccinees return for the second dose.

JYNNEOSTM does not produce a noticeable “take” like ACAM2000® or APSV. While this means there is no chance of secondary vaccinia transmission with this vaccine, the lack of a noticeable “take” makes it difficult to know whether or not the vaccinee has developed immunity.

Cold Chain Management​

Vaccines should be shipped in a way that maintains the cold chain. ACAM2000® or APSV are shipped refrigerated. JYNNEOSTM may be shipped and stored either frozen or refrigerated. Cold chain management plans should include the possibility of maintaining the cold chain of vaccines at two different temperatures.

Vaccine Supply Tracking​

Keep accurate counts of vaccine doses given and lost during an outbreak. The SNSexternal icon and state public health departments will use the information reported by local public health departments to manage the supply and distribution of vaccine during an emergency.

Screening Considerations​

Because of the high case-fatality rate and severity of smallpox, no clear absolute contraindications exist for the use of smallpox vaccines for those exposed to smallpox virus or at high risk for smallpox infection. Plan for screening potential vaccinees thoroughly, using established criteria. Most people will meet the criteria for vaccination with ACAM2000® or APSV. Clinicians should be available to consult on individuals with a health status that may require using JYNNEOSTM instead of ACAM2000® or APSV.

Staff Vaccination​

Staff should be vaccinated, but there is no waiting period between when they receive their vaccination and when they can start administering vaccinations or working in vaccination clinics. To prevent the spread of vaccinia virus from ACAM2000® or APSV, any clinical staff who provide vaccinations or care to patients should follow enhanced vaccination site care methods.

Vaccinee Follow-up​

For those vaccinated with ACAM2000® or APSV: Identify a time and place for vaccinees to have their vaccination site evaluated. Use the number of people vaccinated and the days on which they were vaccinated to determine the number and timing of staff needed for the follow-up evaluations. Include plans for revaccinating those with non-takes. Follow-up on vaccinees who do not come in for a take evaluation.
For those vaccinated with JYNNEOSTM Identify a time and place for primary vaccinees to receive their second dose of JYNNEOSTM, 4 weeks after the first dose. Include plans for following-up on vaccinees who do not come in for their second dose of vaccine.

Adverse Event Monitoring​

While rare, adverse events may happen, especially within a large population of new vaccinees. Give vaccinees information about who to contact or where they can go for medical care if they suspect they are having an adverse event to the vaccination. Consider how to monitor and report these adverse events to public health authorities quickly in overall surveillance plans. Smallpox response plans should also ensure that all adverse events are reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS).external icon

Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program​

The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) is a federal program created to help pay for related costs of medical care and other specific expenses for eligible people seriously injured by the administration or use of certain medical countermeasures. Medical countermeasures may include vaccines, medications, devices, or other items used to prevent, diagnose, or treat the public during a current, or potential future, public health emergency or security threat. For more information, visit the CICPexternal icon website or call: 1-855-266-2427. In an emergency, provide information about this program to vaccinees.

Resource​

Clinical Guidance for Smallpox Vaccine Use in a Postevent Vaccination Program Source: MMWR. 2015, 64(RR02);1-26.



 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Just because we couldn't get aids from a toilet seat has nothing to do with this potential problem.

You need to tone down your certainty just a skosh.

Eta: now Helen has gone and suggested a vax. Initial impulse is a big "hail no". I'll never say never...
Dammit. I'm telling you what MAY happen. Dammit, READ. Dammit dammit dammit.

I can't be here. Good luck.

In this Supreme Court case, Jacobson had the option of paying a fine if he did not get vaccinated. Five dollars was a high fine in those days. The ruling imposes public health rules from unelected officials- Fauci - directly from the Supreme Court.

"On February 20, 1905, the Supreme Court, by a 7-2 majority, said in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts could fine residents who refused to receive smallpox injections. In 1901, a smallpox epidemic swept through the Northeast and Cambridge, and Massachusetts reacted by requiring all adults receive smallpox inoculations subject to a $5 fine. In 1902, Pastor Henning Jacobson, suggesting that he and his son both were injured by previous vaccines, refused to be vaccinated and to pay the fine. In state court, Jacobson argued the vaccine law violated the Massachusetts and federal constitutions. The state courts, including the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, rejected his claims. Before the Supreme Court, Jacobson argued that, “compulsion to introduce disease into a healthy system is a violation of liberty.”

On February 20, 1905, the Supreme Court rejected Jacobson’s arguments. Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote about the police power of states to regulate for the protection of public health: “The good and welfare of the Commonwealth, of which the legislature is primarily the judge, is the basis on which the police power rests in Massachusetts,” Harlan said “upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”

 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Dammit dammit dammit.
I get it. I get it. I get it.

Anything short of a volcano eruption or a hurricane and my default blame will be on nefarious action by someone paid with taxpayer money.

I'm going to use the best information possible including anecdotes and intuition.

Just like the stupid covid jab. If I see visible benefit, I won't need to be cajoled.

Uncle Sam TELLING me to do something at this point won't garner much attention.
Positive attention, anyway.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I'm not okay for other reasons, so it's time for another long break.
I'm truly sorry about that. I hope you find peace and tranquility as well as possible in this rat race.

Never seen much personal long term benefit to running helen. A short tactical move maybe, longterm run? Nope.
 

mom2many

Veteran Member
I can't make you see what I see. I'm not okay for other reasons, so it's time for another long break. It will probably wait until 2024. Try this.


57 seconds

View: https://youtu.be/si6oXWY3uRg?feature=shared
Much love and respect to you and yours Helen.

Is this related to bio labs and digging up long dead bodies with viruses? Similar to this:


Sorry for not bringing the article, am on my phone.
 

mom2many

Veteran Member
mom2many - YES.
Thanks to your posts from years ago, I was able to figure that out. Without you sharing info, I probably wouldn't have even paid attention. Please know you've made a positive difference in my life.

Too bad someone can't get into the old board info, there were several well written lists from Summertime and C Sue on sick room set ups among other info, unfortunately all my print outs were lost in a water leak.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
The terrible thing is that the gvts of the world blew whatever trust a lot of us had in them with the whole covid caper.

That and knowing too much about scary things they play with...



Makes for a VERY reluctant, if not violently opposed to getting any juice at all type of people.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Makes for a VERY reluctant, if not violently opposed to getting any juice at all type of people.
That doesn't matter. That isn't what I'm telling you.

They inexplicably ignored their own playbook and let clade 2b spread. 2b is still in play. Years ago, one case of monkeypox on a plane in Texas was enough to trigger massive contact tracing.

Healthcare workers didn't get vaccine offered until the third round. WTF? They're always first, always. But not with this?

The Supreme Court ruled on the particular case involving an antivaccine FINE, a prohibitive FINE to escape forced vaccination. Taxation without representation, if you will.

Clade I can walk over the border and be shipped in an enclosed space with shared air to many large cities. It takes genetic testing to identify the difference between clades.

Remember drug shortages? Doctors and nurses quitting? Unsustainable governmemt spending? Election year misery?

I didn't bring it up because of all the effing knee jerk reactions, but some entity is trying to combine one injection for c-19, flu, and monkeypox. Does that sound like a gay problem?

I don't know specifically what's going to happen. I'm just screaming from my corner.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks to your posts from years ago, I was able to figure that out. Without you sharing info, I probably wouldn't have even paid attention. Please know you've made a positive difference in my life.

Too bad someone can't get into the old board info, there were several well written lists from Summertime and C Sue on sick room set ups among other info, unfortunately all my print outs were lost in a water leak.
If you do an advanced search, you can get to old threads because I’ve done it.
It just takes a little more digging and poking around…
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Never seen much personal long term benefit to running helen. A short tactical move maybe, longterm run? Nope.
I didn't show you the clip to tell you to run. I showed it to you so you won't ever think you're safe.

I scored a statistically improbable zero on the Miller Analogies test. The scoring was subjective to yanqui libtards, I told 'em. So they gave me 48 hours to prepare for the GRE, where my writing skills were rated at third grade. Point is, I don't communicate well. My bad.

Got a glimmer of better news on the personal front. Thank you everyone for holding me.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Sigh - I was in Goodwill today in our small town. Very few speaking English, and lots of kiddos coughing.

One of the replies on Twitter.

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I don't think so. That looks like some type of herpetic lesion or pox.
 

summerthyme

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Sigh - I was in Goodwill today in our small town. Very few speaking English, and lots of kiddos coughing.

One of the replies on Twitter.

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I don't think so. That looks like some type of herpetic lesion or pox.
If the Twitter user can tell the difference between smallpox and scabies from a blurry picture, he should be working for the Mayo Clinic! I don't know what it is, but I've never seen scabies look like that...

Summerthyme
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
Although I don't doubt it is not scabies (and am not educated enough to be able to tell the difference via a photo), I could totally believe that it is a pox. Just seriously doubt it is smallpox, unless it is an intentionally released bioweapon and we have a very huge problem.

Edited to Add: Just did an image search. Apparently it is a hoax image/post from 2019, now re-posted. The original image was from 2014.
 
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helen

Panic Sex Lady
This article could be poor writing, AI writing, or deliberate obfuscation. I dunno.

What we've seen prior to the article in the link is this: Congo is suffering from an outbreak of clade I monkeypox. Clade I has a higher fatality rate than clade 2b, which has spread all over the world. Clade 2b has at least 50 recent mutations from the previously-stable clade II virus. The current clade I outbreak started outside of cities and spread to cities like Kinshasa through sexual contact.

The article in the link states that the outbreak of monkeypox in Kinshasa started with a gay man, a citizen of Belgium, who infected five gay men in Kinshasa. This article is from abcnews.

Which clade is spreading in the city of Kinshasa?

The article details all the reasons why monkeypox vaccine is not available in Congo. There is another warning that clade I can spread all over the world the same way clade 2b did.

Where did this sudden atypical spreading of clade I start? Rural areas, or Kinshasa? Did this outbreak begin in Belgium or in rural Congo? Does this clade I virus carry mutations from the stable original virus?

 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Pay wall, unfortunately.


Mpox virus can remain infectious on steel surfaces for up to 30 days, but is effectively inactivated by disinfectants containing alcohol, according to recent data.


The study showed that temperature is a major factor in mpox’s continuing infectiousness in the environment for a prolonged time (J Infect Dis 2023;jiad127. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jiad127). At room temperature, the virus can survive on steel surfaces for up to 11 days, and at 39.2° F, mpox can last up to a





 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Evolution. Mutating.


A recent study reveals that the monkeypox, or mpox, virus is evolving into multiple strains due to mutations caused by ongoing interactions with the human immune system, suggesting that the virus has been circulating in humans since 2016.


“These observations of sustained MPXV transmission present a fundamental shift to the perceived paradigm of MPXV epidemiology as a zoonosis and highlight the need for revising public health messaging around MPXV as well as outbreak management and control,” write the authors.


 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
Anything new on the Ro rate?
2022 study:




Our analysis revealed that the basic reproduction number (R0) of monkeypox virus (MPXV) is near to 3.1 and the percentage of asymptomatic individuals is 13.1 %–14.5 %, both of which are similar to the data for SARS. The vaccination efficiency against susceptibility (VEs) of individuals who have had monkeypox is ∼ 79 %, and the vaccination efficiency against infectiousness (VEi) of individuals who have had monkeypox is ∼ 76 %–82 %. The mean incubation period for monkeypox is 8 days.

In total, 94.7 % of infected individuals develop symptoms within 20 days and recover within 2 weeks after the confirmation of symptoms. Simulation results using EpiSIX showed that ring vaccination was remarkably effective against monkeypox. Our findings confirmed that a 20-day isolation for close contacts is necessary.


 
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