GOV/MIL Minsk: something happening there

Meadowlark

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I find it ironic that in Minsk, they are spontaneously and honestly rioting against obviously election fraud and the MSM barely makes a peep about it. Yet here in America well trained hired thugs are destroying our cities and the MSM denies that too. These thugs are just rioting to gain power and maximize chaos.
 

CaryC

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I find it ironic that in Minsk, they are spontaneously and honestly rioting against obviously election fraud and the MSM barely makes a peep about it. Yet here in America well trained hired thugs are destroying our cities and the MSM denies that too. These thugs are just rioting to gain power and maximize chaos.
Yeah well, I'll see your obvious election fraud with a fake news, fake fraud that bloviates the news cycle for 3 years, and raise you a real election fraud mail-in ballots and reporting that it's not a fraud. (Unless Trump wins)

:D
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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then for once he might be in the right. A pro Putin thug that wins 80% of the popular vote in an election full of irregularities justifies mass umbrage.

It smells like a perfect opportunity for soros to insert his people into leadership positions.

Much easier to do when the general situation is very unstable.
 

Cyclonemom

Veteran Member
No, Ma'am. Biden and the Democrats herald chaos, which leads to disaster, culminating in tyranny, slavery, and death. Although Trump may not be perfect, there are no others who can run against him, that represent what America used to be- before the Swamp came into prominence. He has been forced to fight so many enemies, simultaneously, that any other, would have faltered, fallen, and succumbed. If you want freedom, Trump is the ONLY candidate...

Bright Blessings,

OldArcher, Witch
I am sorry, I shouldn't post when so tired. What I meant is that the liberals are going to scream and whine and riot when Trump wins. They will not perceive it as a valid result.

However, HIS win will be legitimate, unlike this fellows.

Trump is the man for the job right now. The libs will never accept the election results.
 

OldArcher

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I am sorry, I shouldn't post when so tired. What I meant is that the liberals are going to scream and whine and riot when Trump wins. They will not perceive it as a valid result.

However, HIS win will be legitimate, unlike this fellows.

Trump is the man for the job right now. The libs will never accept the election results.

Bright Blessings!

No worries!

May You and Yours Always Be Safe, Healthy, Happy, and Forever, Free...

Blessed Be!

OldArcher, Witch
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Reading this thread reminded me of the late John Paul Jackson's interview on Trunews April 5, 2012 about future events.

Summary of the podcast:

@47:30 Rick was talking to a Panamanian college woman with dreams and visions people are having in Panama of American riots coming during elections, cities on fire and a great persecution coming to Christians in America.

@49:30 John Paul Jackson was shown things happening to America from 2010-2020. He said shortly after the next decade (2020) if America doesn't repent it will be facing a lifestyle more like the 1800's than the 2000s.

@54:17 John Paul Jackson is lead with urgency to share this word to watch Russia and China to begin projecting their influence over areas they once had control and influence over before and during the cold war. Before America goes to war, China and Russia begin taking a much stronger tone against America, telling her how it is going to be with ultimatums. In 2012 this had not happened yet.
 
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I find it ironic that in Minsk, they are spontaneously and honestly rioting against obviously election fraud and the MSM barely makes a peep about it.

Makes one ask an obvious question - are the Minsk protestors legitimate, or have they been manipulated into making a show of force for the cameras? A Belarus deep state op?

If Trump were to win the 2020 presidential election with 60% or more of the vote, would be almost CERTAIN that the communists would be out in the streets in all major cities, in force - demonstrating before the cameras - their MSM cohorts pounding the communist narrative at every opportunity.

Of course, the same might be said if Team Biden were to **somehow** win the 2020 presidential election - the patriots would also take to the streets, with mostly the alternative, non-MSM press, covering such in any sort of objective/positive fashion - MSM coverage would be wholly in the negative.

See how this works?

"We" just don't know the REAL truth behind the Minsk protests, yet, and who the key outside players are in that whole affair. What we are learning is what the international press wants us to know - not necessarily what is REALLY going on.

Not to sound like a Putin apologist, but Russia has a sincere interest in a Russian-friendly Belarus government - strategically, Belarus, like Ukraine, is a buffer state between Russia and the west, per the placement of NATO missile systems aimed at Russia, and encroaching western military forward bases purposefully placed within former USSR states, etc. - witness the international kerfuffle that occurred a couple of years back when NATO placed missiles systems inside of Poland - Moscow was not happy, and understandably so - from their perspective.

Then, there is the reality that NATO is mostly a deep state asset of the western powers . . . discussed many times in the past, here on TB2K.

Yet here in America well trained hired thugs are destroying our cities and the MSM denies that too. These thugs are just rioting to gain power and maximize chaos.

There are useful pawns, and then there are the few who control the pawns, manipulating their ignorance to the whims of the international communists - many of the American protestors are WHITE students, unknowingly playing a dangerous game with real personal consequences - how about the Belarus protestors? Could they, too, have overlords calling the shots while they rage with emotion in the streets of Minsk?

We just don't know, yet, the real power alignments.


intothegoodnight
 
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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Do not discount the possibility that soros has an operation going in that AO.

"We" just don't know the REAL truth behind the Minsk protests, yet, and who the key outside players are in that whole affair. What we are seeing is what the international press wants us to know - not necessarily what is REALLY going on.

This why I reserve my opinion about who are the good guys here. One of the issues of contention was that Lukashenko did not adopt draconian measures to fight COVID-19.
 

Mac

Veteran Member
If the military uses violence against civilians would that be reason or cause for Russia to intervene militarily? Weren't they mobilizing on the border?
 
If Russia becomes obviously involved, and this whole Minsk affair **suddenly** quiets down to Russia's advantage, then consider that Team Trump may have given Putin a "green light" to do what he wants/needs to do - bear in mind that the international deep state/NATO may raise a public ruckus if Russia becomes publicly involved - however, remember, they would not necessarily represent a Team Trump's perspective/tacit approval, if any of this proves out in Russia's "favor."

Recall how Team Trump green-lighted Putin with regards to settling the Syrian problem - and how the international deep state and NATO members were pounding the international table about letting Putin solve the Syria problem.

Haven't heard much from Syria, lately. Have you?

Funny, that . . .


intothegoodnight
 

Housecarl

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WORLD NEWS
AUGUST 9, 2020 / 10:51 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO
Bloody clashes in Belarus as West condemns crackdown after election

Andrei Makhovsky
4 MIN READ

MINSK (Reuters) - At least one person died as Belarusian police clashed with protesters on Monday after the opposition accused President Alexander Lukashenko of rigging his re-election victory amid a chorus of criticism from Western leaders.


Police fired tear gas and stun grenades and used batons to disperse thousands of people in Minsk in a second night of violence. Protesters set up barricades in several parts of the capital.

One man died while trying to throw an unidentified explosive device at police that blew up in his hands, the government said. Local media reported clashes breaking out in other towns.

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In power for more than a quarter of a century, Lukashenko claimed a landslide win against Svetlana Tikhanouskaya, a former English teacher who emerged from obscurity to lead the biggest challenge to his rule in years.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the vote was “not free and fair” and condemned “ongoing violence against protesters and the detention of opposition supporters.”

Foreign observers have not judged an election to be free and fair in Belarus since 1995, and the run-up to the vote saw authorities jail Lukashenko’s rivals and open criminal investigations of others who voiced opposition.


Events are being closely watched by Russia, whose oil exports run through Belarus to the West and which has long regarded the country as a buffer zone against NATO, and by the West, which has tried to lure Minsk from Moscow’s orbit.

Germany called for the European Union to discuss sanctions on Belarus that were lifted in 2016 to foster better relations.

Russian President Vladimir Putin used a congratulatory telegram to nudge Lukashenko to accept deeper ties between the two nations, which the Belarusian leader has previously rejected as an assault on his country’s independence.

Riot police used force on Sunday night to disperse thousands of protesters who had gathered to denounce what they said was an electoral farce.




Belarusian law enforcement officers attempt to detain men during a rally of opposition supporters following the presidential election in Minsk, Belarus August 10, 2020. The opposition rejected official election results handing President Alexander Lukashenko a landslide re-election victory. REUTERS/Vasily Fedosenko
Tikhanouskaya, whose campaign rallies drew some of the biggest crowds since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, told reporters she considered herself the election winner.

“The authorities are not listening to us. The authorities need to think about peaceful ways to hand over power,” said Tikhanouskaya, who entered the race after her blogger husband was jailed. “Of course we do not recognise the results.”

The opposition said it was ready to hold talks with the authorities.

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‘NO REVOLUTION’
There was no immediate response to that offer from Lukashenko, a former Soviet collective farm manager who has kept Belarus under tight control since 1994.

He faces discontent over his handling of the economy, the COVID-19 pandemic and human rights abuses. But Lukashenko signalled he would not step down.

“The response will be appropriate. We won’t allow the country to be torn apart,” the 65-year-old leader was quoted by the Belta news agency as saying.

Lukashenko repeated allegations that shadowy forces abroad were trying to manipulate protesters he called “sheep” in order to topple him, something he said he would never allow.



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“They are trying to orchestrate mayhem,” said Lukashenko. “But I have already warned: there will be no revolution.”

The European Union’s foreign policy chief and its commissioner for enlargement said the election had been marred by “disproportionate and unacceptable state violence against peaceful protesters”.

“We condemn the violence and call for the immediate release of all (those) detained during last night,” Josep Borrell and Oliver Varhelyi said in a joint statement.

Neighbouring Poland said it wants a special EU summit on Belarus.

Reporting by Andrei Makhovsky; Additional reporting by Vladimir Soldatkin in Moscow; Writing by Matthias Williams/Andrew Osborn; Editing by Catherine Evans, David Evans, William Maclean and Dan Grebler
 

AlfaMan

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I think the protests against Lukashenko are legitimate. He's hardcore and hardline; his citizens have not liked his dictatorship for some time now.

I'd almost expect the riots to grow and become more violent. I also somewhat expect Putin to move Russian forces into Belarus at some point. Of course, under the "invitation" of Lukashenko (whether he does or not). Think Afghanistan in 1979.
Russia needs a solid buffer between themselves and Eastern Europe (now pretty much firmly in the west's /NATO camp).
Ukraine hasn't worked out as well as the Russians had hoped-maybe Belarus is the next nation to get Putin's "attention".
 

vector7

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Joe Biden Slams Belarusian President 'Lukashenka', Calls to 'Refrain From Violence' Amid Protests

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03:14 GMT 11.08.2020(updated 03:56 GMT 11.08.2020)

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Earlier, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo denounced the Belarusian presidential election as "not free and fair", urging the country's government to "respect the rights of all Belarussians to participate in peaceful assembly, refrain from use of force and release those wrongfully detained".

The US Democratic presumptive nominee, Joe Biden, released a statement via the Medium online platform regarding the recent Belarusian presidential election, referring to the incumbent president, Alexander Lukashenko, as "Lukashenka" and slamming the elections as "marred by electoral fraud" and calling for all parties to "refrain from further violence".
"I stand with those who are calling for a transparent and accurate vote count and the release of all political prisoners. I also call on President Lukashenka to respect the rights of peaceful protestors and to refrain from further violence. My administration will never shy away from standing up for democratic principles and human rights, and we will work with our democratic allies and partners to speak with one voice in demanding these rights be respected", Biden said in his statement.
Saying that "the Lukashenka regime has cut internet access, arrested protesters and independent journalists, and tried to muzzle foreign observers", Biden noted that "these are not the actions of a political leader confident that he has won a fairly conducted election".

The Democratic presidential candidate also praised the "brave citizens — journalists, activists, and ordinary people documenting these extraordinary events".

The former vice president's statement echoed that of US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who earlier denounced the Belarusian presidential elections as "not free and fair" and called on the nation's government to "refrain from use of force and release those wrongfully detained".

The presidential election in Belarus took place on Monday, with Alexander Lukashenko securing a reported 80 percent of the vote - a figure that the opposition has dismissed as election rigging. The nation's capital, Minsk, along with several other cities, has been spanned by mass protests over the election results. Demonstrations started on Sunday and have been ongoing until late Monday.

Amid the protests, clashes between demonstrators and riot police occured, with police using tear gas, stun grenades and rubber bullets against protesters, and the latter throwing Molotov cocktails and building barricades of trash cans.
 

Housecarl

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WORLD NEWS
AUGUST 10, 2020 / 11:50 PM / UPDATED 32 MINUTES AGO
Belarusian opposition leader Tikhanouskaya 'safe' in Lithuania after clashes

Andrei Makhovsky
3 MIN READ

MINSK (Reuters) - Belarusian opposition leader Svetlana Tikhanouskaya has joined her children in neighbouring Lithuania, its foreign minister said on Tuesday, after two nights of clashes following the contested re-election of President Alexander Lukashenko.

The 37-year-old Tikhanouskaya emerged from obscurity a few weeks ago to mount the biggest challenge in years to Lukashenko’s rule, standing for election after her blogger husband was jailed.
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“Svetlana #Tikhanovskaya is safe. She is in #Lithuania,” Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius tweeted.

There had been concern about Tikhanouskaya’s whereabouts after her campaign team said on Monday they had been unable to reach her by phone hours after she was known to have left a meeting with central election commission officials.

Her campaign team said she had been forced to leave the country.

“She was taken out of the country by the authorities. Svetlana had no choice. Five minutes before the visit, we discussed our future plans and she was certainly not intending to leave the country,” campaign aide Olga Kovalkova told Reuters.

By Tuesday morning she had joined her children in Lithuania. The state border committee later confirmed her departure.



People attend a rally following the presidential election in Minsk, Belarus August 11, 2020. The opposition rejected official election results handing President Alexander Lukashenko a landslide re-election victory. REUTERS/Vasily Fedosenko
At least one person died as police clashed with protesters on Monday after the opposition accused Lukashenko of rigging the vote amid widespread criticism from Western leaders.

Helmeted police fired tear gas, rubber bullets and stun grenades and used batons to disperse thousands of people in Minsk in a second night of violence. Protesters set up barricades in several areas and threw petrol bombs.

Local media reported clashes in other towns.

In power for more than a quarter of a century, Lukashenko has compared the protesters to criminal gangs and dangerous revolutionaries with shadowy foreign backers.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the election was “not free and fair” and condemned “ongoing violence against protesters and the detention of opposition supporters”.

Foreign observers have not judged an election to be free and fair in Belarus since 1995, and the run-up to this month’s vote saw authorities jail Lukashenko’s rivals and open criminal investigations of others who voiced opposition.


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Tikhanouskaya’s campaign rallies drew some of the biggest crowds since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. A former English teacher, she was initially reluctant to stand, saying she had received an anonymous threat of having her children taken away.

She had moved them abroad during the campaign.

“She is resting with her children,” Lithuania’s foreign ministry spokeswoman told Reuters by phone.
On Monday, Tikhanouskaya told reporters she considered herself the election winner.

“The authorities need to think about peaceful ways to hand over power,” she said. “Of course we do not recognise the results.”

Additional reporting by Andrius Sytas in Vilnius; writing by Matthias Williams; editing by John Stonestreet and Giles Elgood
 

emiliozapata

Senior Member
Looking at various google images of this Tikhanouskaya tells me all I need to know about what side she plays for- globalist, deep state, peace and love open borders scum
 
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WORLD NEWS
AUGUST 10, 2020 / 11:50 PM / UPDATED 32 MINUTES AGO
Belarusian opposition leader Tikhanouskaya 'safe' in Lithuania after clashes
Lithuania, eh?

That's all I needed to read - the battle lines are becoming more clear on the Minsk affair.

Lithuania is a deep state asset, of sorts.


intothegoodnight
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
I think that we have another "Ukraine" in the making here.





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Belarus: Hundreds form ‘lines of solidarity’ with protesters
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About 200 women march in solidarity with protesters injured in the latest rallies against the results of the country's presidential election in Minsk, Belarus, Wednesday, Aug. 12, 2020. Belarus officials say police detained over 1,000 people during the latest protests against the results of the country's presidential election. (AP Photo)

MINSK, Belarus (AP) — Hundreds of people were back on the streets of Belarus’ capital on Thursday morning in a show of solidarity with protests against an election many say was rigged to extend the rule of the country’s authoritarian leader.

In several areas of Minsk, large groups of women formed long “lines of solidarity.” More than 100 women carrying flowers and portraits of their loved ones detained during protests gathered in the southwestern part of the city, where police had shot rubber bullets at people chanting and clapping on balconies the night before.

“Belarusians have seen the villainous face of this government. I argued with my husband and voted for Lukashenko. And this is what I got in the end — I can’t find my relatives in prisons,” said Valentina Chailytko, 49, whose husband and son were detained during protests on Sunday. Chailytko still can’t find any information about their whereabouts.

Thousands of people have rallied across Belarus since Sunday, demanding a recount of the ballot that gave President Alexander Lukashenko a landslide victory with 80% of the vote, and his top opposition challenger only 10%. Police moved aggressively to break up the protests with batons, stun grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets.

One protester died Monday in Minsk, and scores were injured. Radio Liberty in Belarus reported that one more man died in a hospital in the city of Gomel, southeastern Belarus, after being detained by police.

The protests appeared to take a more peaceful turn on Wednesday, as hundreds of women all over Belarus started taking to streets with flowers, formed human chains in solidarity with the protesters and called for an end to the crackdown on the rallies. For a while, all-female “lines of solidarity” stood unchallenged by police, which then dispersed some of them without violence. The peaceful demonstrations resumed Thursday.

The crackdown on protesters drew harsh criticism in the West.

European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said that the 27-nation bloc would review its relations with Belarus and consider “measures against those responsible for the observed violence, unjustified arrests and falsification of election results.”

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the election in Belarus wasn’t “free and fair” and urged the government to refrain from violence against peaceful protesters.

Lukashenko derided the political opposition as “sheep” manipulated by foreign masters and vowed to continue taking a tough position on protests. “The core of these so-called protesters are people with a criminal past and (those who are) currently unemployed,” the state-run Belta news agency quoted Lukashenko as saying at a meeting with security officials on Wednesday.

Some 6,700 people have been detained this week, according to the Interior Ministry. Belarus’ Investigative Committee launched a criminal probe into mass rioting — a charge that carries lengthy prison terms.

This year the economic damage caused by the coronavirus and the president’s swaggering response to the pandemic, which he airily dismissed as “psychosis,” has fueled broad anger, helping swell the opposition ranks and prompting the Belarusian leader to unleash a renewed crackdown on dissent.

Protesters on Thursday said they were undeterred. “We’re not afraid, there’s no fear,” Alla Pronich, 38, told The Associated Press.

“To audacious rigging (of the election), to violence, to flash-bang grenades the authorities use we respond with solidarity and a peaceful protest. It is all we have,” Pronich said.
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Daria Litvinova in Moscow contributed to this report.



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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane

NEWS
AUGUST 13, 2020 / 5:31 AM / UPDATED 30 MINUTES AGO
Hungary wants EU to pursue dialogue, careful steps on Belarus

BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungary wants the European Union to pursue dialogue with Belarus and avoid ostracising it, its foreign minister said on Thursday, after days of violent protests in Minsk where President Alexander Lukashenko claimed a landslide re-election victory.

“We are interested in the EU making decisions based on dialogue, which do not make it impossible for the European Union and Belarus to build their relationship in the future, or set back the Eastern Partnership Programme,” Peter Szijjarto said in a Facebook post.

Reporting by Marton Dunai; Editing by Gareth Jones
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
The influence war begins.


Crisis In Belarus As Sign Of Global Division
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by Tyler Durden
Thu, 08/13/2020 - 03:30
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Over the past days, Belarus, an eastern European state bordering with Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, has become a scene of a new regime change attempt on the territory of the former USSR.




On August 9, the country held presidential elections and saw a dramatic increase of activity of opposition forces. The mobilized opposition and the wide-scale pro-opposition campaign in international and local media that took place exploited the existing issues in the economic and social sphere of the country as well as the general dissatisfaction of a part of the population with the corruption and fossilized elites, represented by acting President Alexander Lukashenko.

Despite this, preliminary results showed that Lukashenko received approximately 80% of votes, while the opposition candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya received about 10% of the ballots. Over 4% of voters chose the “against all candidates” option. The election turnout was 84.23%. Even if one imagines mass falsifications during the election process, that may lead to a 15-20% increase of the result of Lukashenko, the election became a major failure for opposition forces.

Nevertheless, the history of various coups around the world demonstrates that a consolidated and well-coordinated aggressive minority can seize power if it faces no proper response to its actions from the government. Such situation happened during the so-called ‘Maidan’ coup in Ukraine in 2014, when an aggressive group of radical nationalists supported by foreign forces exploited the criminal inaction of the Yanukovich government. The overwhelming majority of the population did not support the coup and the further violence that expanded throughout Ukraine. Nonetheless, the silent majority became a victim of the aggressive and vocal minority.

No surprise, the opposition immediately declared the election rigged and did not recognize its results. Violent protests started in Minsk and other large cities of Belarus. On August 9 and August 10, the protests strike force, led by radical Belarusian nationalists and leftist Antifa groups, clashed with police throwing at them rocks, bottles and beating isolated police officers. Well-coordinated mobile groups of protesters tried to block local voting places and allegedly threw at least several petrol bombs at security personnel. However, reports about the usage of so-called Molotov cocktails are yet to be confirmed.

Security forces responded with an increase of security measures across the country, the establishment of additional checkpoints and the usage of tear gas and rubber bullets. According to the country’s Ministry of the Interior, dozens of police officers and protesters were injured in the clashes. Authorities also said that a protester died from wounds received when an explosive device blew up in his hand. He was allegedly planning to throw it at security forces.

A network of social media accounts, many of them operated from places outside Belarus, like Poland and the Baltic states, with support from mainstream media outlets try to paint the picture of the total collapse of the government, releasing instructions for rioters, personal data of police officers, and spreading fake news about Lukashenko supposedly fleeing Belarus. A special topic covered by these media outlets is the use of violence against the allegedly peaceful protesters. How groups of radicals provoking and attacking police officers could be peaceful remains out of the question. Pro-coup media also promote the idea of national-wide strike starting on August 11.

At the same time, according to local sources and evidence from the site of clashes, the Belarusian law enforcement has demonstrated a high motivation to act decisively in their effort to stop the spread of the chaos. President Lukashenko, regardless the criticism of his economic or political strategies, apparently learnt the lessons of history and is taking active steps to prevent the coup.

The United States and the European Union already declared the elections in Belarus ‘unfair’ and ‘not independent’. As of August 11, the main Belarusian opposition candidate, Tikhanovskaya, and several top members of her campaign fled to Lithuania, from where they are making loud statements calling for what she calls ‘revolution’.

The pro-Western, neo-liberal part of the Russian opposition also held a rally in support of the coup attempt in Belarus in the front of the Belarusian embassy in Moscow.

Just a few weeks ago, Lukashenko was publicly flirting with Washington & Co and making anti-Russian statements. With the start of the election crisis, his new friends immediately betrayed him and in fact support the ongoing coup attempt. This once again demonstrated that arrangements with the Washington establishment and the European bureaucrats are not worth a row of beans.



The dividing line between constructive national forces and the coalition of various neo-liberal, pro-Western factions and radical nationalists financed by the West and trying to seize the power by any means once again became especially evident.

If the so-called ‘supporters of democracy’ achieve a victory, the area of instability currently localized in Ukraine will expand into Belarus and may ignite fires in all over eastern Europe, including the European part of Russia.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
I have a lot to say on this subject, arguments from both sides. But I think the best way to decide the fate of nation's is to determine if they like Steven Segal or don't. In this case, Lukashenko likes Segal, therefore he is on the side of evil.:sh1:
 

CaryC

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The influence war begins.


Crisis In Belarus As Sign Of Global Division
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by Tyler Durden
Thu, 08/13/2020 - 03:30
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Submitted by SouthFront
Over the past days, Belarus, an eastern European state bordering with Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania and Latvia, has become a scene of a new regime change attempt on the territory of the former USSR.




On August 9, the country held presidential elections and saw a dramatic increase of activity of opposition forces. The mobilized opposition and the wide-scale pro-opposition campaign in international and local media that took place exploited the existing issues in the economic and social sphere of the country as well as the general dissatisfaction of a part of the population with the corruption and fossilized elites, represented by acting President Alexander Lukashenko.

Despite this, preliminary results showed that Lukashenko received approximately 80% of votes, while the opposition candidate Svetlana Tikhanovskaya received about 10% of the ballots. Over 4% of voters chose the “against all candidates” option. The election turnout was 84.23%. Even if one imagines mass falsifications during the election process, that may lead to a 15-20% increase of the result of Lukashenko, the election became a major failure for opposition forces.

Nevertheless, the history of various coups around the world demonstrates that a consolidated and well-coordinated aggressive minority can seize power if it faces no proper response to its actions from the government. Such situation happened during the so-called ‘Maidan’ coup in Ukraine in 2014, when an aggressive group of radical nationalists supported by foreign forces exploited the criminal inaction of the Yanukovich government. The overwhelming majority of the population did not support the coup and the further violence that expanded throughout Ukraine. Nonetheless, the silent majority became a victim of the aggressive and vocal minority.

No surprise, the opposition immediately declared the election rigged and did not recognize its results. Violent protests started in Minsk and other large cities of Belarus. On August 9 and August 10, the protests strike force, led by radical Belarusian nationalists and leftist Antifa groups, clashed with police throwing at them rocks, bottles and beating isolated police officers. Well-coordinated mobile groups of protesters tried to block local voting places and allegedly threw at least several petrol bombs at security personnel. However, reports about the usage of so-called Molotov cocktails are yet to be confirmed.

Security forces responded with an increase of security measures across the country, the establishment of additional checkpoints and the usage of tear gas and rubber bullets. According to the country’s Ministry of the Interior, dozens of police officers and protesters were injured in the clashes. Authorities also said that a protester died from wounds received when an explosive device blew up in his hand. He was allegedly planning to throw it at security forces.

A network of social media accounts, many of them operated from places outside Belarus, like Poland and the Baltic states, with support from mainstream media outlets try to paint the picture of the total collapse of the government, releasing instructions for rioters, personal data of police officers, and spreading fake news about Lukashenko supposedly fleeing Belarus. A special topic covered by these media outlets is the use of violence against the allegedly peaceful protesters. How groups of radicals provoking and attacking police officers could be peaceful remains out of the question. Pro-coup media also promote the idea of national-wide strike starting on August 11.

At the same time, according to local sources and evidence from the site of clashes, the Belarusian law enforcement has demonstrated a high motivation to act decisively in their effort to stop the spread of the chaos. President Lukashenko, regardless the criticism of his economic or political strategies, apparently learnt the lessons of history and is taking active steps to prevent the coup.

The United States and the European Union already declared the elections in Belarus ‘unfair’ and ‘not independent’. As of August 11, the main Belarusian opposition candidate, Tikhanovskaya, and several top members of her campaign fled to Lithuania, from where they are making loud statements calling for what she calls ‘revolution’.

The pro-Western, neo-liberal part of the Russian opposition also held a rally in support of the coup attempt in Belarus in the front of the Belarusian embassy in Moscow.

Just a few weeks ago, Lukashenko was publicly flirting with Washington & Co and making anti-Russian statements. With the start of the election crisis, his new friends immediately betrayed him and in fact support the ongoing coup attempt. This once again demonstrated that arrangements with the Washington establishment and the European bureaucrats are not worth a row of beans.



The dividing line between constructive national forces and the coalition of various neo-liberal, pro-Western factions and radical nationalists financed by the West and trying to seize the power by any means once again became especially evident.

If the so-called ‘supporters of democracy’ achieve a victory, the area of instability currently localized in Ukraine will expand into Belarus and may ignite fires in all over eastern Europe, including the European part of Russia.
I was doing a quick run through threads to see if that was posted. And here it is, I was about to post myself. Thanks, this is a great read, and very insightful.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
PART ONE:

This Is Amerika: Where Fascism, Totalitarianism And Militarism Go Hand-In-Hand
Authored by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,
“In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem.”
- Ronald Reagan
There’s a pattern emerging if you pay close enough attention.
Civil discontent leads to civil unrest, which leads to protests and counterprotests.
Without fail, what should be an exercise in how to peacefully disagree turns ugly the moment looting, vandalism, violence, intimidation tactics and rioting are introduced into the equation. Instead of restoring order, local police stand down.
Tensions rise, violence escalates, and federal armies move in.

Coincidence? I think not.

This was the blueprint used three years ago in Charlottesville, Va., in 2017, when the city regularly cited as being one of the happiest places in America, became ground zero for a heated war of words—and actions—over racism, “sanitizing history,” extremism (both right and left), political correctness, hate speech, partisan politics, and a growing fear that violent words will end in violent actions.

It was a setup: local police deliberately engineered a situation in which protesters would confront each other, tensions would bubble over, and things would turn just violent enough to call in the bigger guns.
It is the blueprint being used right now.

In Charlottesville, as in so many parts of the country right now, the conflict was over how to reconcile the nation’s checkered past, particularly as it relates to slavery, with the push to sanitize the environment of anything—words and images—that might cause offense, especially if it’s a Confederate flag or monument.
That fear of offense prompted the Charlottesville City Council to get rid of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee that had graced one of its public parks for 82 years.
That’s when everything went haywire.

In attempting to pacify one particularly vocal and righteously offended group while railroading over the concerns of those with alternate viewpoints, Charlottesville attracted the unwanted attention of the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and the alt-Right, all of whom descended on the little college town with the intention of exercising their First Amendment right to be disagreeable, to assemble, and to protest.

When put to the test, Charlottesville did not handle things well at all.

On August 12, 2017, what should have been an exercise in free speech quickly became a brawl that left one dead and dozens more injured.

As the New York Times reported, “Protesters began to mace one another, throwing water bottles and urine-filled balloons — some of which hit reporters — and beating each other with flagpoles, clubs and makeshift weapons. Before long, the downtown area was a melee. People were ducking and covering with a constant stream of projectiles whizzing by our faces, and the air was filled with the sounds of fists and sticks against flesh.”

And then there was the police, who were supposed to uphold the law and prevent violence.
They failed to do either.

Indeed, a 220-page post-mortem of the protests and the Charlottesville government’s response by former U.S. attorney Timothy J. Heaphy merely corroborates our worst fears about what drives the government at all levels: power, money, ego, politics and ambition.

When presented with a situation in which the government and its agents were tasked with protecting free speech and safety, Heaphy concluded that “the City of Charlottesville protected neither free expression nor public safety.”
Heaphy continues:
“The City was unable to protect the right of free expression and facilitate the permit holder’s offensive speech. This represents a failure of one of government’s core functions—the protection of fundamental rights. Law enforcement also failed to maintain order and protect citizens from harm, injury, and death. Charlottesville preserved neither of those principles on August 12, which has led to deep distrust of government within this community.”
In other words, the government failed to uphold its constitutional mandates. The police failed to carry out their duties as peace officers. And the citizens found themselves unable to trust either the police or the government to do its job in respecting their rights and ensuring their safety.

Despite the fact that 1,000 first responders (including 300 state police troopers and members of the National Guard)—many of whom had been preparing for the downtown rally for months—had been called on to work the event, despite the fact that police in riot gear surrounded Emancipation Park on three sides, and despite the fact that Charlottesville had had what reporter David Graham referred to as “a dress rehearsal of sorts” a month earlier when 30 members of the Ku Klux Klan were confronted by 1000 counterprotesters, police failed to do their jobs.

In fact, as the Washington Post reports, police “seemed to watch as groups beat each other with sticks and bludgeoned one another with shields… At one point, police appeared to retreat and then watch the beatings before eventually moving in to end the free-for-all, make arrests and tend to the injured.”
Police Stood By As Mayhem Mounted in Charlottesville,” reported ProPublica.
Instead of establishing clear boundaries—buffer zones—between the warring groups and protecting the First Amendment rights of the protesters, police established two entrances into the permit areas of the park and created barriers “guiding rallygoers single-file into the park” past lines of white nationalists and antifa counterprotesters.
Incredibly, when the first signs of open violence broke out, Heaphy reports that the police chief allegedly instructed his staff to “let them fight, it will make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly.”
This is not much different from what is happening on the present-day national scene.
Commissioned by the City of Charlottesville, this Heaphy report was intended to be an independent investigation of what went right and what went wrong in the government’s handling of the protests.
Heaphy found very little to commend.
 

MetalMan

Veteran Member
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Not meaning to change the substance of this thread but is this guy, wounded in the disturbance, being carried off the battlefield, (so to speak), and he is checking and texting on his cell phone?

WTF??
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
PART TWO:

What went right on Aug. 12 according to Heaphy:
1) Despite the presence of firearms, including members of the militia, and angry confrontations between protesters and counterprotesters, no person was shot and no significant property damage occurred;
2) Emergency personnel did their jobs effectively and treated a large number of people in a short period of time; and
3) Police intelligence gathering was thorough (that’s the best he had to say about police).
Now for what went wrong, according to the report:
1. Police failed to get input from other law enforcement agencies experienced in handling large protests.
2. Police failed to adequately train their officers in advance of the protest.
3. City officials failed to request assistance from outside agencies.
4. The City Council unduly interfered by ignoring legal advice, attempting to move the protesters elsewhere, and ignoring the concerns of law enforcement.
5. The city government failed to inform the public about their plans.
6. City officials were misguided in allowing weapons at the protest.
7. The police implemented a flawed operational plan that failed to protect public safety.
8. While police were provided with riot gear, they were never trained in how to use it, nor were they provided with any meaningful field training in how to deal with or de-escalate anticipated violence on the part of protesters.
9. Despite the input and advice of outside counsel, including The Rutherford Institute, the police failed to employ de-escalation tactics or establish clear barriers between warring factions of protesters.
10. Government officials and police leadership opted to advance their own agendas at the expense of constitutional rights and public safety.
11. For all intents and purposes, police abided by a stand down order that endangered the community and paved the way for massive civil unrest.
12. In failing to protect public safety, police and government officials undermined public faith in the government.
The Heaphy report focused on the events that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, but it applies to almost every branch of government that fails to serve “we the people.”
As the Pew Research Center revealed, public trust in the government remains near historic lows and with good reason, too.
This isn’t America, land of the free, where the government is “of the people, by the people [and] for the people.”
Rather, this is Amerika, where fascism, totalitarianism and militarism go hand in hand.

What you smell is the stench of a dying republic. Our dying republic.
The American experiment in freedom is failing fast.

Through every fault of our own—our apathy, our ignorance, our intolerance, our disinclination to do the hard work of holding government leaders accountable to the rule of law, our inclination to let politics trump longstanding constitutional principles—we have been reduced to this sorry state in which we are little more than shackled inmates in a prison operated for the profit of a corporate elite.

We have been saddled with the wreckage of a government at all levels that no longer represents the citizenry, serves the citizenry, or is accountable to the citizenry.
“We the people” are not the masters anymore.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re talking about the federal government, state governments, or local governing bodies: at all ends of the spectrum and every point in between, a shift has taken place.
“We the people” are not being seen, heard or valued.

We no longer count for much of anything beyond an occasional electoral vote and as a source of income for the government’s ever-burgeoning financial needs.

Everything happening at the national level is playing out at the local level, as well: the violence, the militarization, the intolerance, the lopsided governance, and an uneasy awareness that the citizenry have no say in how their communities are being governed.
As I have warned repeatedly, the architects of the police state have every intention of manipulating this outrage for their own purposes.

Predictably, the police state is allowing these protests, riots and looting to devolve into a situation where enough of the voting populace is so desperate for a return to law and order that they will gladly relinquish some of their freedoms to achieve it. And that’s how the police state will win, no matter which candidate gets elected to the White House, and “we the people” will continue to lose.

So what’s the answer?

As always, it must start with “we the people.”
I’ve always advised people to think nationally, but act locally.

Yet as Charlottesville made clear, it’s hard to make a difference locally when the local government is as deaf, dumb and blind to the needs of its constituents as the national government.

Charlottesville much like the rest of the nation has had its fair share of government leaders who are tone-deaf, focused on their own aggrandizement, and incapable of prioritizing the needs of their constituents over their own personal and political agendas; law enforcement officials for whom personal safety, heavy-handed militarized tactics, and power plays trump their duty to serve and protect; polarized citizens incapable of finding common ground, respecting each other’s rights, or agreeing to disagree; and a community held hostage by political correctness, divisive rhetoric and a growing intolerance for any views that may be unpopular or at odds with the mainstream.

It was a perfect storm just waiting for the right conditions to wreak havoc, a precursor of the rage, frustration and fear that is erupting all over the country.

No matter what forces are manipulating these present riots and violent uprisings, however—and there are definitely such forces at play here—none of this would be happening without the government having laid the groundwork.
Clearly, it’s time to clean house at all levels of government.

Stop tolerating corruption, graft, intolerance, greed, incompetence, ineptitude, militarism, lawlessness, ignorance, brutality, deceit, collusion, corpulence, bureaucracy, immorality, depravity, censorship, cruelty, violence, mediocrity, and tyranny. These are the hallmarks of an institution that is rotten through and through.
Stop holding your nose in order to block out the stench of a rotting institution.

Stop letting the government and its agents treat you like a servant or a slave.

You’ve got rights. We’ve all got rights. This is our country. This is our government. No one can take it away from us unless we make it easy for them.

You’ve got a better chance of making your displeasure seen and felt and heard within your own community. But it will take perseverance and unity and a commitment to finding common ground with your fellow citizens.
Right now, as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, we’re making it way too easy for the police state to take over.

Stop being an accessory to the murder of the American republic.


 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Also just wanted to make a comment on this:

I’ve always advised people to think nationally, but act locally.

That is similar to the mantra of the progressives for the last 20 years. Which is:

"Think globally, act locally."

So my advise is to be careful when reading/listening to anything.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Belarus: Police Open Fire on Protesters, Detain over 1,000 Overnight
Police officers push protesters outside the Belarusian embassy during a protest against the results of Belarusian presidential election in Moscow on August 12, 2020. (Photo by Dimitar DILKOFF / AFP) (Photo by DIMITAR DILKOFF/AFP via Getty Images)
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Belarus police opened fire on protesters and detained over 1,000 people overnight Tuesday, the third night of unrest over accusations of electoral fraud in the country’s presidential race.

Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko won a sixth consecutive term as president on Sunday, sparking protests by supporters of his opponents. Lukashenko is the first and only president to rule over Belarus since the creation of the office in 1994.


Dissidents argue that the state-controlled Central Election Commission of Belarus, which gave Lukashenko 80 percent of the vote in a landslide victory despite massive support for his top opposition candidate, Svetlana Tikhanouskaya, falsified the electoral results. Tikhanouskaya has since fled Belarus for neighboring Lithuania out of fears for her children’s safety amid the turmoil.
Police opened fire on protesters in the city of Brest — a southwestern city on the Polish border — on Tuesday night, injuring one person, the Belarusian interior ministry said in statements on Wednesday. The ministry issued two statements on the incident, with the second amended to include a specific description of the weapons the protesters allegedly used to attack police forces.
“In Brest, a group of aggressively disposed people armed with iron bars attacked police officers. The group did not stop after warning shots were made into the air. To defend the lives and safety of the police, lethal weapons were shot to kill. One of the attackers was wounded,” the ministry’s second statement read.
“The protest rallies against Sunday’s election results spread to 25 Belarusian cities on Tuesday, with the most massive gatherings in the capital Minsk, as well as Brest, Mogilev, and Novopolotsk,” Belarusian interior ministry spokeswoman Olga Chemodanova told journalists. According to the ministry, police detained more than 1,000 people during Tuesday night’s protests.
“There were incidents of ‘open confrontation’ with the law enforcement and 21 officers became victims of eight hit-and-runs and numerous fire bottles attacks,” Chemodanova said. At least 51 protesters were also injured Tuesday night, according to the Belarus Health Ministry. One protester was killed on Monday night; government authorities claim that he died after an explosive device he was preparing to throw at police went off in his hand.
Belarusian authorities say they have opened seventeen criminal cases following alleged attacks on law enforcement by protesters. On Wednesday, the Belarusian interior ministry said over 6,000 people had been detained over the past three days of unrest.
The European Union (E.U.)’s foreign affairs minister Josep Borrell has condemned Belarus’s violent crackdown on protesters and called its election “neither free nor fair.” He says E.U. foreign ministers will hold an emergency meeting this Friday to discuss the situation in Belarus and that the member bloc will consider reimposing sanctions “against those responsible for the observed violence, unjustified arrests, and falsification of election results” in Belarus, which is not an E.U. member.

 
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