GOV/MIL Main "Second Impeachment" Thread
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Lone_Hawk
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Hell, they didn't yell "halt!" They unlocked the doors and opened them up.
Donghe Surfer
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No to OP's question. Waste of time.
Now I just listen to some interesting Telegram chats unrelated to politics.
Now I just listen to some interesting Telegram chats unrelated to politics.
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Trump defense wants depositions from Pelosi and Harris in Trump impeachment trial
"This entire proceeding is based on rumor, report, innuendo," Trump's defense says
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Trump defense wants depositions from Pelosi and Harris in Trump impeachment trial
"This entire proceeding is based on rumor, report, innuendo," Trump's defense says
By Nicholas Ballasy
Updated: February 13, 2021 - 1:16pm
Trump defense lawyer Michael van der Veen said on Saturday he wants depositions from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Kamala Harris as part of the impeachment trial of former President Donald Trump.
"None of these depositions should be done by Zoom," he said during the trial before the Senate formally voted to call witnesses. "We didn't do this hearing by Zoom."
He said the House managers included about 100 people in their case who were arrested after the riot. Van der Veen said if those individuals are approved as witnesses, he needs 100 depositions and an ample amount of time to do the "thorough investigation" that Pelosi hasn't done yet. He suggested that Pelosi and Harris should give depositions as part of the trial.
"This entire proceeding is based on rumor, report, innuendo," he argued.
Maryland Democrat Rep. Jamie Raskin, lead impeachment manager, said Trump should testify in the impeachment trial. He also said Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) should testify via Zoom about the statement she issued regarding House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy's conversation with Trump on the day of the riot.
House impeachment managers and Trump's defense will deliver closing arguments at a later time. Then, senators will take a vote of guilty or not guilty on the incitement of insurrection article of impeachment.
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Trump acquitted in second impeachment trial after final 57-43 Senate vote
Senate had earlier voted in favor of witnesses on a wild final day of the trial, before both sides later agreed to proceed with closing arguments of up to 4 hours.
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House impeachment manager tries to present new video evidence in closing argument and gets rejected
Senate had voted in favor of witnesses in Trump's second impeachment trial, but both sides later agreed to proceed with closing arguments for up to 4 hours
Video on website 3:28 min
By Nicholas Ballasy
Updated: February 13, 2021 - 3:09pm
House managers and Donald Trump's defense team agreed Saturday to move to closing arguments for up to 4 hours in the Senate impeachment trial of the former president.
After closing arguments conclude, senators are expected to take a vote of guilty or not guilty on a single article of impeachment charging Trump with incitement of insurrection.
The agreement came after the timetable for the rest of the trial had been pitched into uncertainty following a morning of surprises — including a Senate vote in favor of calling witnesses and notification by Trump defense counsel Michael van der Veen of his intent to seek depositions from Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Kamala Harris in the event of an extended trial with witness testimony.
In his closing argument, lead impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) called Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney as a "hero" for voting to impeach Trump and "resisting" a "retaliatory cancel culture that she was subjected to" when the Republican caucus voted on whether to keep her in a leadership role. She was ultimately not stripped of her position as conference chair.
Trump's counsel objected to a new video used in Pennsylvania Rep. Madeleine Dean's closing argument.
"This is crooked," one of Trump's lawyers said.
Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, who is presiding over the trial as the Senate pro tempore, ruled the evidence would be "stricken" from the record.
"New evidence is not permitted in closing argument. References to such new evidence will be stricken," he said.
"The statement was in evidence, the slide was not, so we will withdraw the slide."
Trump's defense team is not making their closing argument.
"Hopefully we can all leave this chamber in uniform agreement that all rioting, all rioting, is bad and that law enforcement deserves our respect and support," Van der Veen said after mentioning the rioting that occurred after the death of George Floyd. "That has been Mr. Trump's position from the very beginning."
Earlier, the fifth day of the trial began with a surprise as senators voted 55-45 to call witnesses.
Republican Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Mitt Romney of Utah and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina voted with Democrats to subpoena witnesses and documents.
"This is a political theater, and I think the House managers were feeling heat on their left flank," Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz said. "At this point, nobody knows what's going to happen."
On Saturday before the vote to call witnesses, Trump defense lawyer van der Veen had called on senators to "close this case out today." He said the House managers included 100 people in their case who were arrested after the riot took place. Before the Senate voted in favor of witnesses, van der Veen said he would need 100 depositions and an ample amount of time to do the "investigation" that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi hasn't done yet.
"This entire proceeding is based on rumor, report, innuendo," he said. "There's nothing to it."
Rep. Raskin said Trump should testify in the impeachment trial. He also said Washington Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler should testify about the statement she issued on Friday evening regarding House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy's conversation with Trump on the day of the riot. Trump's defense and the impeachment managers eventually agreed to enter Herrera Beutler's statement into trial evidence.
Trump's defense had up to 16 hours to present their case on Friday but used less than 4 hours. Senators had up to 4 hours to question both sides after Trump's defense presented. The questioning lasted for more than 2 hours on Friday.
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WATCH: Trump lawyers debunk the Democrats’ Charlottesville ‘fine people’ hoax
Trump’s lawyers were very busy on Friday on the Senate floor, where they debunked what one of them coined “the Charlottesville lie”.
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WATCH: Trump lawyers debunk the Democrats' Charlottesville 'fine people' hoax
Trump's lawyers were very busy on Friday on the Senate floor, where they debunked what one of them coined "the Charlottesville lie."
Trump lawyer David Shoen, before running a clip of a Trump press conference which took place right after the infamous Charlottesville riots, said:
"'Very fine people on both sides' [the famous quote that went viral at the time.] ... except that isn't all he said. And they knew it then, and they know it now. Watch this."
The clip rolls and instead of cutting off after "very fine people on both sides" as major media have invariably done in the past, the public gets to see the full context of the video.
Trump's discourse continues on the issue of taking down statues, and he pointedly asked how far it might go, asking if George Washington and Thomas Jefferson statues should be also taken down. He mentioned that the group of people trying to take down a statue of Civil War General Robert E. Lee were "changing history", that they were "changing culture".
Trump immediately went on:
"And you had people, and I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."
Trump then commented on the people demonstrating on the other side of the issue that day:
"In the other group also [referring to the leftist protestors], you had some fine people, but you also had trouble makers, and you see them come with the black outfits, and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too."
Trump continues to distinguish between good and bad people on both sides of the Charlottesville protestors.
"There were people there protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people. Neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them."
At the end of the video, Shoen can be heard mentioning:
"This might be today the first time the news networks played those remarks in their full context."
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Impeachment Democrats admit ‘blue check’ Twitter mistake but deny manipulation charge
House impeachment managers “accidentally” added a blue-check verification to a pro-Trump tweet used in the Senate trial of the former president, but aides condemned the charge by defense lawyers that they manipulated video evidence.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Impeachment Democrats admit ‘blue check’ Twitter mistake but deny manipulation charge
by Susan Ferrechio, Chief Congressional Correspondent |
| February 12, 2021 03:29 PM
House impeachment managers “accidentally” added a blue-check verification to a pro-Trump tweet used in the Senate trial of the former president, but aides condemned the charge by defense lawyers that they manipulated video evidence.
Senior House Democratic aides for the managers acknowledged a graphic they displayed during the trial showing a pro-Trump tweet “accidentally had a blue verification check mark” but said the content of the tweet was “entirely accurate.”
“If anything, it is further evidence of President Trump’s attention to and knowledge of what was being openly planned on January 6 by his followers, even those without Twitter verifications," a senior Democratic aide said.
The tweeter, Jennifer Lynn Lawrence, this week said her Twitter account does not have the blue check mark that the social media giant uses to indicate a “verified” account.
The impeachment managers used two of her tweets in the trial. One of them, retweeted by Trump, declares, “We will bring it to DC on Jan. 6.”
In a subsequent tweet, Lawrence said, “We are bringing the Calvary to DC.”
Impeachment managers put a blue check mark on both tweets.
Lawrence said she used “calvary” as a religious term and did not mean "cavalry," which impeachment manager Eric Swalwell used during his presentation to imply Lawrence was promising to bring an army.
“I don’t do horses ok (I’m from New York),” Lawrence said in a blog post this week. “I’m not in the army either so the use of the word cavalry would have been pretty stupid. It’s a wonder Congressman Swalwell didn’t pick up on it.”
Trump’s defense team argued the impeachment managers deceptively edited a video to leave out Trump statements that would counter the claim by Democrats that the former president incited the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
Democratic aides countered that Trump’s own lawyers used manipulated video of Democrats using the word “fight” and other incendiary language.
“Somewhere in between repeatedly showing video of comments from Democrats cut entirely out of their context, Trump’s attorney leveled a false accusation of selective editing at the House Managers, and in doing so, selectively edited the Managers’ presentation to make his point,” a Democratic aide said.
Democrats said they twice showed a video of Trump calling for protesters to walk to the Capitol to “peacefully and patriotically” cheer on lawmakers certifying the election in the House and Senate that day.
Trump’s defense team referenced a clip in which Democrats edited out “peacefully and patriotically.”
Democratic aides said the impeachment managers stand by their use of "cavalry" instead of "calvary."
“In self-evident context, it is simply not believable that President Trump recognized the frequently confused ‘calvary’ as anything besides the ‘cavalry is coming,’” a Democratic aide said.
No Marxist is on the side of the BoR. Period.
