HEALTH MAIN EBOLA DISCUSSION THREAD -09/01/14 - 09/15/14

[Melodi]

Doomer Doug said "snip...It is a fatal error for the West to have not responded with dozens of planeloads of medical supplies into Africa. The West and Europe are going to pay a brutal price for that failure. ...snip"

My husband told me last year (during class he was so appalled he typed me) that the official line offered in his medical school (the best in Ireland and one of the top ones in the West) was that "Third world countries don't really need supplies and help from the West, what they need is support and information..." or something like that, I'll ask him for the exact quote - it may even be in the bomb shelter somewhere because I think I posted it at the time.

On his first day of his second year (Monday) he called me and said, "remember that remark the teacher made in class about third world countries not needing medical supplies or Western practitioners to help during epidemics, well I now feel so VINDICATED because I was RIGHT and the teacher/Official Medical line, WAS WRONG!" So I gather they now admit they went way to PC and cocked up (after all we can't risk "shaming" people by suspecting they don't have enough money for supplies and/or corruption has destroyed what their is of their medical systems can we?); but I suspect it is too late for parts of West Africa even if they fly stuff in by the Cargo plane load - and who will they get to fly and unload the planes and what hospitals will be left to use it?

 

[Countrymouse]

CDC's Dr. Frieden's LATEST report / response on Ebola

Having returned from his 'fact-finding' trip to Africa, here's what Dr. Tom ("We-know-how-to-control-Ebola") Frieden had to say:

From PFI, bolding is Pixie's.

UPDATE 2-U.S. CDC says Ebola threatens stability of stricken countries

Wed Sep 3, 2014 1:58am IST
(Adds details on U.S. doctor, experimental drug)

By Julie Steenhuysen
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/health-ebola-cdc-idINL1N0R31X520140902

(Reuters) - The world's worst Ebola outbreak is threatening the stability of affected and neighboring countries in West Africa, and requires a "massive" effort to bring it under control, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. health agency who just returned from West Africa, said he expected the number of Ebola cases to accelerate in the next two weeks and urged governments to act now.

"We're likely to see significant increases in cases. Already we have widespread transmission Liberia. In Sierra Leone, we're seeing strong signs that that will happen in the near future," he said.

Frieden said the outbreak was the first epidemic of Ebola the world has ever known, meaning it is spreading widely in society and is "threatening the stability" of affected and neighboring countries.

"The challenge isn't knowing what to do. The challenge is doing it now," Frieden said on a conference call with reporters.

On Tuesday, a second U.S. doctor contracted the virus while working with obstetrics patients at a missionary hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, according to the church-affiliated organization SIM USA.

The Charlotte, North Carolina-based group did not identify the physician but said he was not treating Ebola patients and that he had isolated himself immediately when symptoms began.

Since it was detected in the remote jungles of southeastern Guinea early this year, the Ebola outbreak has killed some 1,550 people, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

Frieden, who has been providing regular briefings to President Barack Obama on the outbreak, said there is still a window of opportunity, but said "that window is closing."

Separately, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would accelerate development of an experimental Ebola treatment by California biotech Mapp Biopharmaceutical.

It pledged up to $42.3 million in funding for the drug, known as ZMapp, and said the company would manufacture a small amount for early stage safety studies.

The drug has not been tested in humans, but a handful of healthcare workers, including two U.S. aid workers, have received it during the outbreak.

In laboratory testing, ZMapp cured all 18 of the monkeys infected with the virus, including those just hours from death, scientists reported on Friday.

Frieden told the briefing that efforts to develop vaccines and treatments are welcome, but development takes time, and they cannot be counted on to stop the epidemic.

"We need action now to scale up the response. We know how to stop Ebola. The challenge is to scale it up to the massive levels needed to stop this outbreak," he said.

Swift response helped tire manufacturer Bridgestone Corp contain Ebola when an employee at its Firestone plant in Liberia became infected.

Frieden said the company built isolation rooms and identified 73 contacts of the infected individual, then placed them in quarantine for 21 days. Eleven of those employees became ill, and they were treated in an isolated treatment ward the company built. The effort completely contained the outbreak, Frieden said, adding that that type of response was widely needed.

According the Bridgestone/Firestone website, Firestone Liberia provides jobs for more than 6,100 Liberians. here

Frieden said the virus has not mutated in a way that makes it more transmittable, but the risk of such a mutation increases each day the virus circulates within human populations.

During his tour of clinics, Frieden donned the same gear that local Ebola healthcare workers are wearing to protect themselves from the disease. {i.e. NOT simply mask, gloves, & gown Wink }

"It's roasting hot. It's very difficult to move. It's a very distressing environment. Sweat pours down into your goggles and into your eyes," he said.

Frieden appealed for healthcare workers and hospital administrators experienced in this type of work in low resource countries to volunteer their services through organizations such as the CDC Foundation and Doctors without Borders.

"The virus is moving faster than anyone anticipated. We need to move fast," he said.

(Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama, Toni Reinhold)

Plus I just found this:



CDC: Window To Contain Ebola Outbreak Is Closing

By Michell Eloy


The director of the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the Ebola outbreak is spiraling out of control.

Listen GO TO LINK here to listen to his comments
1:03
As heard on the radio

In his opening statement Tuesday, CDC Director Dr. Tom Frieden painted a sobering picture of the Ebola outbreak that’s plaguing West Africa, and he says the window of opportunity to contain it “is closing.”

“Bad as the situation is now, everything I’ve seen suggests that over the next few weeks, it’s likely to get worse,” he said.

Frieden’s recently returned from West Africa, where the disease has now killed more than 1,500 people, according to the World Health Organization.

He described visiting health wards that had run out of beds for patients and health workers treating patients in “roasting” hot hazard suits. Frieden also described meeting a young woman, a woman he called Fatima, who’d contracted Ebola while caring for an infant relative with the virus. While she survived, she also watched her brother die.

He said the continued spread of the deadly disease threatens the stability of the infected countries.

“We expect that there will be more people in countries like Senegal and Nigeria who come in and have the illness. That means as long as Ebola is spreading, all of us need to be concerned,” he said.

Frieden called the outbreak a “global issue,” and urged healthcare workers with experience to help treat and contain the virus. He also urged business communities to step up their response.

Frieden’s speech comes the same day as missionary organization SIM announced a third American citizen, a missionary doctor, has tested positive for the virus.


http://wabe.org/post/cdc-window-contain-ebola-outbreak-closing

 

[Countrymouse]

My personal feelings on Dr. Tom ("We-know-how-to-control-Ebola") Frieden and the latest info out:

Rev. 21:8--

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Knowing -- from what we have read and shared here --- that as Melodi said above, the political and especially the MEDICAL community has been more concerned about "PC" and "CYA" than about the TRUTH that MIGHT have stopped this thing early on and PROTECTED and saved (what will be potentially) MILLIONS of lives---

it is all I can do not to ask God to damn his sorry soul to hell.

 

[naturallysweet]

A youtube video of the Ebola positive patient being captured

video: man infected with ebola in market

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iPl86evLaY

You want to teach people who believe that having sex with a virgin child will cure them of AIDS, or that a woman must cleanse herself of evil spirits to inherit her fathers house, that their traditional diet might kill them.

Good luck with that.

 

[Countrymouse]

The highlighted phrase below has been going through my mind this morning, so I looked it up.

Here it is, in context:


Isaiah 13:

Wail, for the day of the Lord is near;

it will come like destruction from the Almighty.


Because of this, all hands will go limp,

every heart will melt with fear.


Terror will seize them,

pain and anguish will grip them;

they will writhe like a woman in labor.

They will look aghast at each other,

their faces aflame.


See, the day of the Lord is coming

—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—

to make the land desolate

and destroy the sinners within it.


The stars of heaven and their constellations

will not show their light.

The rising sun will be darkened

and the moon will not give its light.


I will punish the world for its evil,

the wicked for their sins.

I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty

and will humble the pride of the ruthless.


I will make people scarcer than pure gold,

more rare than the gold of Ophir.


Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;

and the earth will shake from its place

at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,

in the day of his burning anger.

 

[Marthanoir]

If peoplein these locations where people eat fruit bats are told "If you eat fruit bats you will get horribly sick and DIE and infect your whole family who will get horribly sick and DIE and they will infect many more people who will get horribly sick and DIE" I think everyone who heard that message would stop doing eating fruit bats.

Nope, they ignore the message totally, infact thy ignore it so much that the ones who emigrate to the West fuel an underground business for smuggled in bushmeat, customs in European countries are frequently stopping bushmeat smugglers at airports,

Look at how much bushmeat is smuggled into Western countries each year, that alone could cause an outbreak in the US or Europe,

Smuggled bush meat brings viral threat to US
Friday Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM

A newly published study shows that "bush meat" and other wild animal products intercepted on their way into the United States often bring with them pathogens that can be deadly to humans, wildlife and livestock.
The pilot study focused on wild animals and wild animal products coming from primates, rodents and bats from Africa that were imported for human consumption and confiscated, mainly at New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport. What researchers found was that viruses sometimes persisted in these products even when they were smoked or otherwise prepared to make them safe for eating.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/01/13/10151806-smuggled-bush-meat-brings-viral-threat-to-us

 

[Countrymouse]

I'd been wanting to see an updated ebola map; just found this one at
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...thy-nations-urged-act-201492143110512131.html

Even this one isn't current---you'll note it leaves off Nigeria (not PC to admit they've lost it, too, you know)

Anyone have a more up-to-date one?

 

[Natty Bumppo]

The highlighted phrase below has been going through my mind this morning, so I looked it up.

Here it is, in context:


Isaiah 13:

Wail, for the day of the Lord is near;

it will come like destruction from the Almighty.


Because of this, all hands will go limp,

every heart will melt with fear.


Terror will seize them,

pain and anguish will grip them;

they will writhe like a woman in labor.

They will look aghast at each other,

their faces aflame.


See, the day of the Lord is coming

—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—

to make the land desolate

and destroy the sinners within it.


The stars of heaven and their constellations

will not show their light.

The rising sun will be darkened

and the moon will not give its light.


I will punish the world for its evil,

the wicked for their sins.

I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty

and will humble the pride of the ruthless.


I will make people scarcer than pure gold,

more rare than the gold of Ophir.


Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;

and the earth will shake from its place

at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,

in the day of his burning anger.

Here is another to consider out of Isaiah 26

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

I find this reminiscent of the ten virgins and Noah, in both instances God closed the door and would not let another in.

 

[Weft and Warp]

I'm glad Dr. Tom Frieden visited the troubled areas in West Africa and that he got to see the magnitude of what they are dealing with right now. Maybe now that his eyes have been opened he will try to promote better screening practices here in the hospitals and airports. This would help with other diseases too, like MERS, bird flu, ....

Since he was in and around people that were infected with ebola----is he now under a 21 day quarantine? What about the other people that were traveling with him during his visit? I'm assuming he didn't travel alone.

It doesn't seem to me that he is under quarantine just by the fact that he held a news conference with "most likely" many reporters in attendance. (It didn't seem to be a video conference.) Since he is the head of the CDC, does he think he is immune to catching ebola?

I know he wore the protective gear--but so did the others, and some still caught the disease.

 

[Bulky Cranium]

I'd been wanting to see an updated ebola map; just found this one at
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...thy-nations-urged-act-201492143110512131.html

Even this one isn't current---you'll note it leaves off Nigeria (not PC to admit they've lost it, too, you know)

Anyone have a more up-to-date one?

There is this one: http://healthmap.org/ebola/

 

[Mark D]

I'm glad Dr. Tom Frieden visited the troubled areas in West Africa and that he got to see the magnitude of what they are dealing with right now. Maybe now that his eyes have been opened he will try to promote better screening practices here in the hospitals and airports. This would help with other diseases too, like MERS, bird flu, ....

Since he was in and around people that were infected with ebola----is he now under a 21 day quarantine? What about the other people that were traveling with him during his visit? I'm assuming he didn't travel alone.

It doesn't seem to me that he is under quarantine just by the fact that he held a news conference with "most likely" many reporters in attendance. (It didn't seem to be a video conference.) Since he is the head of the CDC, does he think he is immune to catching ebola?

I know he wore the protective gear--but so did the others, and some still caught the disease.

THIS, is why Ebola is gonna kill so many people: Institutional idiocy and arrogance. That dumbass just returned from a hot zone, and promptly held a public meeting. It's insane.

"Education" isn't gonna save lives now. Cold, hard, brutal QUARANTINE is the only option that can stop this thing now (and that's a long shot)... Oh, but we can't be embarrassing folks who are carrying this most horrific pathogen, can we? Heavens no, let's just allow them to maintain their self esteem, and prance about in public until they drop dead - having contaminated and infected vast swaths of the world.

PC is gonna be the death of us all.

 

[Countrymouse]

I'm glad Dr. Tom Frieden visited the troubled areas in West Africa and that he got to see the magnitude of what they are dealing with right now. Maybe now that his eyes have been opened he will try to promote better screening practices here in the hospitals and airports. This would help with other diseases too, like MERS, bird flu, ....

Since he was in and around people that were infected with ebola----is he now under a 21 day quarantine? What about the other people that were traveling with him during his visit? I'm assuming he didn't travel alone.

It doesn't seem to me that he is under quarantine just by the fact that he held a news conference with "most likely" many reporters in attendance. (It didn't seem to be a video conference.) Since he is the head of the CDC, does he think he is immune to catching ebola?

I know he wore the protective gear--but so did the others, and some still caught the disease.

I don't know that his eyes ARE opened---he is still saying "We KNOW HOW to contain ebola"---well, if so, then why AREN'T they? Why DIDN'T they when they COULD????


Just saw this:

Death toll from Congo Ebola outbreak hits 31

By Desola Akindele / September 3, 2014 / 0 Comments
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KINSHASA – The death toll from an outbreak of the Ebola virus in the Djera region of northern Democratic Republic of Congo has risen to 31, Minister of Health Felix Kabange Numbi told Reuters on Tuesday.


- See more at: http://sundiatapost.com/2014/09/dea...1/#/jobs?ref=Sundiata&page=1&count=5&use_ng=1

 

[bbbuddy]

What fries me and is an indicator that we have dolts in charge (those who are political animals, not those who demonstrate competency) is that in this age of Twitter and Skype and real time video conferencing the idiot has to fly to west Africa to see for himself and completely changes his narrative after there...like he has such an absence of imagination that he just couldn't believe what he was hearing from boots on the ground...

What I suspect is that he KNEW he'd been wrong on this from the beginning and only went over there so he could change his narrative without having to admit he is an incompetent idiot....

 

[Countrymouse]

bingo!

 

[Countrymouse]

Apparently Nancy Writebol is about to give a speech (from 'somewhere')---

Archith Seshadri @archithseshadri · 8m

Packed house here at SIM's headquarters before Writebol speaks on her #Ebola experience


Archith Seshadri @archithseshadri · 1m

It's been 2 weeks since Charlotte missionary Nancy Writebol was released from Emory. She'll speak about #Ebola soon

Archith Seshadri ‏@archithseshadri

Nancy and David Writebol are here to talk about how it was for them to deal with Ebola #ebola

Archith Seshadri @archithseshadri · 24s

Nancy is here on the podium at SIM

SIM USA will host a news conference with Nancy Writebol. Writebol is expected to deliver a prepared statement, and is not expected to take questions. When Writebol is finished, SIM's President, Bruce Johnson, will hold a press conference on the new Ebola patient.


Am trying to see if I can find this live----

 

[Countrymouse]

LIVE on www.wsbradio.com


click listen live


NOT on any Atlanta TV stations....

ETA---I don 't know WHAT THE HECK is wrong is WSB---I HEAR this news conference on my radio (Nancy Writebol's HUSBAND is speaking right now) but on the livestream link online for WSB radio all I get is one commercial after another.

Sorry folks--I've called the station & they're checking it out....

 

[Countrymouse]

Husband is giving mostly a "sharing of his faith" speech about God's faithfulness in all they're gone through....

Nancy Writebol now speaking....

 

[Countrymouse]

Link fixed now---you can hear it at http://streaming.wsbradio.com/_players/coxradio/index.php?callsign=WSBAM

 

[Countrymouse]

She's saying "this is not our story, it's God's story"

Thanking Samaritan's Purse, SIM, etc.

Says these orgs are all on one campus together & are partners & as such "help one another"

Thanking doctors, Dr. Brantley...

Amazing to be part of a mission hospital

Giving history of SIM in Liberia----60 years hospital there, radio station, school est. by SIM

 

[Possible Impact]

It is 3:08 pm in Monrovia on Wednesday, September 03, 2014

US Grants Immigration Relief
to Visiting Nationals of Ebola Stricken Countries

Tue, 09/02/2014 - 21:55 admin
By:
USCIS Release
http://www.liberianobserver.com/new...f-visiting-nationals-ebola-stricken-countries

The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), a branch
of the US Department of Homeland Security, announced on August 15 that
it is closely monitoring the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and has offered
relief measures to nationals of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea who are
currently in the United States.

The USCIS considers the Ebola outbreak and other natural catastrophes as
‘special situations’ that occur beyond a person’s control and can affect
their nonimmigrant status. “These events can affect your USCIS
application, petition or immigration status. We cannot anticipate these
events, but will do our best to help you get the benefits for which you
qualify,” a statement on the USCIS website says. The relief measures
apply to anyone from the aforementioned countries, using a study (F-1)
visa or other ‘nonimmigrant’ status in the United States.


Applicants could be granted a change or extension of status and permitted
to find a job (off-campus in the case of students).

The Ebola epidemic in Liberia has left over 600 persons dead and hundreds
of others infected or suspected infected. Many Liberians who chose to
leave the country have sought safety primarily in the US as well as
neighboring Ghana.

The US Immigration relief measures that may be available if requested
include:

• Change or extension of nonimmigrant status for an individual currently in
the United States, even if the request is filed after the authorized period of
admission has expired;

• Extension of certain grants of parole made by USCIS;

• Expedited adjudication and approval, where possible, of requests for
off-campus employment authorization for F-1 students experiencing severe
economic hardship;

• Expedited processing of immigrant petitions for immediate relatives
(currently in the United States) of U.S. citizens;

• Expedited adjudication of employment authorization applications, where
appropriate; and

• Consideration for waiver of fees associated with USCIS benefit
applications.

More information on USCIS and its programs, can be found on their website at www.uscis.gov.

​

Official Music Video for this Project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU

Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry Be Happy

 

[Countrymouse]

Amazing to be part of effort there in Liberia

Amazing to be part of "decontaminating them" and making "sure those doctors and nurses were kept safe" (is that what she did there?)

Thanking Emory doctors and nurses (mentions it was 25 nurses)

Thanking all who have prayed for them

 

[Countrymouse]

Now thanking family, sons & daughters, "first faces I saw when I arrived in Atlanta"

"I can't wait to put my arms around all of my children and all of my grandchildren"---so she HAS been in quarantine?

(gives the lie to the Emory / CDC announcement day Dr. Brantley that they BOTH were "completely healed" and no longer contagious)

 

[Countrymouse]

they just cut off the live news conference----did she say something she shouldn't have when she said the above????

 

[Countrymouse]

YOU CAN STILL WATCH IT HERE---LIVE OUT OF CHARLOTTE NC:

http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/heal...ident-speak-on-latest-ebola-patient/15013597/

 

[Countrymouse]

She's now telling how she first realized she had eobla---about husband telling her Dr. Brantley had it--and telling her SHE had it

Her husband started to hug her & she stopped him

She told him, "David it's gonna be ok"

 

[Countrymouse]

Now they're talking about the "dark days" following her diagnosis--

when she was transported to the plane in Monrovia to be taken to the U.S.

she was very, very sick

"in and out of it"

they had to get her on plane by loading her on baggage conveyor belt (she couldn't walk)

everyone with her, plus her, in PP gear

told her "Nancy, you're going home...we'll take good care of you"---that's all she remembers of trip home

Wasn't even sure she'd make it to the US or see husband again

 

[Haybails]

Um . . . just got out of a department meeting. Statement was made that we need to be "sensitive" to members of our university community concerning the topic of Ebola because . . . wait for it . . . wait for it . . . "there are individuals at our university who have lost family members to this Ebola outbreak"!!!

WHOA!!

Didn't have details ('cause I asked and pestered) as to if whether or not these individuals here had recent contact with those family members who've passed.

YIKES!!


HB

 

[Countrymouse]

She felt Lord was asking her, "Nancy, am I enough?" and she answered, "Yes, Lord, You are enough."

SIM director (forget his name) is asking her to share a "moment of resolve" she had at Emory--

she says first few days "I wasn't there"--too out of it

Doctors had told David and her sons that due to the pain she was having in her legs and in her feet they didn't know if she would be able to walk, and might have to go to physical therapy after Emory to regain ability to walk.

(I had NOT heard of THIS effect of ebola!)

She woke one morning in Emory and sensed the Lord telling her, "Get up. This is the day you're going to get up!"--and she was determined to make it to the shower to take a bath...and she did (with nurse's help).

Every day from that point she was able to get up and walk -- sometimes with help & sometimes not.


SIMS director is leading them in prayer.

 

[Countrymouse]

One question she had been asked by many people

"What do you think saved you? Was it the zmapp drug? the supportive care? The Liberian and US health care people? or was it your faith?"

Her answer is "All of the above. To God be the glory--He gives us life, He numbers our days....but He uses means, He uses doctors, He uses experimental drugs---we don't know if the zmapp worked or not--and the doctors will tell you that, we don't know if it was the supportive care---all of those things played a part in saving our lives. To God be the glory, and thank you for allowing me to have this time to share with you our story, which is really God's story. To God be the glory."

 

[Countrymouse]

Will Elfic, SIM Liberia country director, now to speak---

he just said one of their own SIM medical doctors has NOW TESTED POSITIVE (so Dr. Brantley wasn't directly with SIM?)

 

[Melodi]

Ok a couple of things, no I don't think the good doctor could have found out what was really happening in that part of the world via skype; it was a very brave of him to travel to the area and with the force/backing of the CDC see what was really going on, on the ground. "Skype" etc is just going to be what the government or officials want the world to know, an outside eyewitness was important - that said, he should have gone into self quarantine even if he took "all known precautions" and addressed the press conference via skype from his isolation center. Home quarantine at the very least should have been undertaken, not traveling out to work and addressing press conferences. There was no reason he couldn't have worked from home or a proper quarantine area, in fact I think if anything it would have made the press take things even more seriously, which I suspect was part of the reason he was told (or chose to go) to the press conference. Makes it seem so much "safer" some how...

I also actually agree with the case by case extension of EXISTING student visas/work permits from people in the areas affected; the US has always had the power to do this and has done it during other international disasters as a matter of course. Many students and those on work or spousal visas sometimes are asked to return to their home countries while their paperwork is reviewed etc; I certainly don't want this going on right now, the less travel between the areas the better. In fact, I think that would be one condition the State department should put on the extension of student visas followed by the usual allowing of work permits in these circumstances (because after disasters in the home country, money support from home often collapses for a time) - yes you can get your visa extended if you have a good school record and are here legally but in exchange you WILL NOT GO HOME or TO AN INFECTED country without direct permission from the State Department or until the epidemic is declared over. Period, end of subject and violating this rule will result in deportation or refusal to re-enter the US.

 

[Countrymouse]

One of our SIM missionary doctors has Ebola

Dr. Rick Sacra

51 yo

wife Debbie

SIM missionary doctor

Liberia country director at one point

Director of SIM ELWA hospital

 

[Countrymouse]

Rick TRAVELS BACK AND FORTH TO LIBERIA

Volunteered to go to Liberia when Dr. Brantley and Nancy Writebol had to be evacuated out

WAS NOT CARING FOR EBOLA PATIENTS

WAS SERVING IN OBSTETICS WARD---CARING FOR PREGNANT WOMEN DELIVERING BABIES BY C-SECTION AND NATURAL BIRTH

 

[Melodi]

Rick TRAVELS BACK AND FORTH TO LIBERIA

Volunteered to go to Liberia when Dr. Brantley and Nancy Writebol had to be evacuated out

WAS NOT CARING FOR EBOLA PATIENTS

WAS SERVING IN OBSTETICS WARD---CARING FOR PREGNANT WOMEN DELIVERING BABIES BY C-SECTION AND NATURAL BIRTH

THIS IS REALLY SCARY!!!! or as my husband said a couple of weeks ago "what is quietly spooking the medical community here is that some of the doctors seem to have contracted the virus while taking full precautions, if there has not been a number of unintentional accidents (easy in a third world situation) then it means the disease has MUTATED in a way we don't totally have a handle on yet."

 

[Countrymouse]

130 ACRE CAMPUS IN LIBERIA --- LARGEST THERE-- 50 BED

BEING RUN BY SIM

100 BED UNIT BEING RUN BY MSF (DWB)

NOT SURE OF CONTACT POINT OR HOW DR. SACRA CONTRACTED EBOLA

STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT EBOLA SYMPTOMS WERE "MASKED" AND NOT PRESENTING WITH PATIENT WHO WAS ADMITTED AND CARED FOR

ARE COOPERATING WITH CDC

WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION ON CONTACT POINT WTIH DR. SACRA TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING TO OTHERS IN THE FUTURE

DR. SACRA TOLD HIM IN AN EMAIL HE WAS FOLLOWING ALL PROTOCOLS AND PRECAUTIONS

"Heartening" news that 12 patients had walked away cured from their treatment center (doesn't say out of who many who died and DIDN'T die)

SAYS THAT ANOTHER ONE OF THEIR DOCTORS IS ON WAY TO LIBERIA TO CARE FOR RICK AND OTHER EBOLA PATIENTS

 

[Countrymouse]

Question whether there are plans to bring Rick back to US for treatment---"we're exploring all options but for right now plans are to treat Rick there in Liberia."

He is communicating with them & with his wife via his cell phone and computer.

He's in good spirits but "your body may not be responding to your good spirits and how you feel about yourself."

"Our understanding is there is no more zmapp in the world."

Question how many were going back---two---Dr. Sacra and the (unnamed) Dr. who is right now flying back to Liberia.

"Does it concern you that one of the two who volunteered has contracted the disease and you are asking others to go back?"

Wil Elfic compares it to a firefighter going back into a burning house to rescue people, instead of standing by...

 

[PyratePrincess]

Hey, amarah: You are not alone in the 'limited options' department. Ebola has sprung like a trap on all of us. Yes, the preps eventually run out and the need for food production and preservation is going to become as vital a 'cottage' industry in the near future as it was in the not too distant past for our forebearers. I trust you can cook, can, etc and have equipment for the above? This will be foremost to each and every household going forward and the need for access to procure vital raw ingredients, hopefully from one's own garden. Got rototiller?

Truly, I wish I had some comforting words as well as a new business plan vis-a-vis Ebola to share with you. No you are not overreacting at all. This is the worst-case-scenario or darn close to it. When the food delivery Just-In-Time-Inventory and Shipping breaks down along with water, electric, and trash disposal then you've got the whole enchilada.

I think we're all dealing with this in stages. Medical Maven used the illusion of all of us standing by the waters edge and realizing that white line out in the oceans distance is the tsunami [Ebola] heading right for us. Rich, poor, believer and infidel...all equal opportunity to survive...or not. Who was the philosopher or theologian who stated "No one gets out of here alive"? True statement if ever there was one.

Personally, I'm trying to stay busy making ales for Camp Fooked, and its soon to be burgeoning fellowship. And yes, there is room for you and your DH. Masterchief117 has the grilled meats, just grab a plate, and I've got good, cold draft in keg. Cups over on the table. Help yourself.

Seriously, I think becoming more distant from large population centers has always been a good strategy. You know somewhere you can grow a garden, well water, like minded people, etc. You should think now of those folks that you have good relations with [either family or colleagues] and that understand the potential of a long self-isolation as a prophylaxis against acquiring Ebola and a place to do it with the requisites for food production and reasonable safety from our fellow man. Hey, its a start.

I think we are all a bit overwhelmed with the potential enormity
of the disaster in west Africa. Ebola's very rapid spread coupled with the snails pace, if not downright foot dragging, response by the CDC, WHO, local and regional denial by .gov's in the affected/infected countries.

With the airports 'open-for-business' it is unimaginable that some of the infected from these 'hot zones' have not already made their way into the US, or into southern Europe either via 'boat' as refugees, airplane Mr. 'Big's' and/or diplomats with their immunity status, a student coming back to university from one of those countries, whose names we are all too familiar with now, through these air terminals looking and acting perfectly healthy shedding virii with ever step and door handle they touch. You can't really be overly optimistic with the present state of affairs.

Human nature strikes again. Denial, obfuscation, Political Correctness, spinelessness, corruption, and fear, etc. Modern times, eh. Take care. BREWER

There was a group some years back that was setting up (for lack of a better word) "a colony" in central Texas (read a.k.a. "middle of nowhere"). They were preppers and you could buy or rent part of this "country club" -but you had to have skill sets, or a supply of preps or both to gain access.

Kind of wishing I'd kept that info.....

 

[Countrymouse]

SIM has 250 people on campus---some work at radio station or with Samaritan's Purse, not all with ebola patients

They've talked to Dr. Sacra's wife Debbie--she's holding up very well

Repeats they knew the protocols were in place and "Rick was following those very well."

Was asked to compare this doctor's condition to Brantley's and Writebols---said "one day does not predict the next day"---and that the disease acts VERY DIFFERENTLY with different patients---one case cannot predict another

 

[Countrymouse]

(mods---maybe you might want to pull out all my posts on the interview once it's done and put it in a separate thread---I dont' have time as I'm trying to keep up with the interview)

 

[Countrymouse]

reporters there are from NBC, CBS, CNN, all over.

THEY ASKED ABOUT ISOLATION OF DR. SACRA---"he's in an isolation ward; getting the best care that can be done under the circumstances"