HEALTH MAIN EBOLA DISCUSSION THREAD -09/01/14 - 09/15/14
- Status
Greetings, amarah: Thank you very much for giving us an in-the-trenches perspective. I can tell you after following the progression of the spread of Ebola since March/April and the prolific incompetence, willful cognitive dissonance, and contemptible "wishful willful ignorance" to quote bw, that I see from near and far leave me with an unutterable terror when I draw this out to it's logical conclusion. This shite is going global and I sincerely believe that no one other the Lord God of the Living Bible can stop it. Period.
"My husband works in a hospital as well. I don't have much faith that at least 1 of us wouldn't be exposed inadvertently if this virus is not stopped soon"! It [the spreading] won't be because of the H2H2H2H2 ad infinitum and I believe your assessment will come to pass if/and unless you both take a very long sabbatical...and soon. I think/believe that there are more people in the Healthcare arena who are coming to same uncomfortable conclusions just like you are. Obamacare might have been a catalyst for thinking of going in another direction...Ebola pretty much puts the icing on the cake.
Take care. BREWER
PS Thanks for the tip on survivalistboards.com
Is this the correct area? Thanks...again.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=361235
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
It is clear the failure of Nigerian authorities to immediately quarantine Mr. Sawyer and the hundreds of people who came into contact with him on his journey to the Lagos International Airport is a decisive event in human history. We can confirm, by the spread of the new cases, there were at least several runners. The runners have now spread Ebola to several additional areas of Nigeria that are some distance away from Lagos. Port Harcout, the eastern city, as well as an unknown number of central and northern Nigerian cities are starting to have potential cases of Ebola. The blunt truth is the ability to do even minimal testing is leading to a severe crisis when these people are eventually, repeat eventually, brought in vomiting etc. We are then "told" the Ebola virus has not been confirmed, testing will be done YADA YADA YADA. It is too late by then for any credible effort to prevent the further spread of Ebola in these new infection zones in Nigeria. Again, by the time the Ebola "suspects" are noticed by the local health authorities they have been running around for up to three weeks or so. We have no idea of how many other people were exposed.
The story of the vomiting man being admitted to that hospital, treated by medical staff with no protective gear shows the level of chaos now common. You would think by now in Nigeria, the instant anybody showed up at a hospital with any type of potential Ebola symptoms they would go into full infection and aseptic protocols.
Doomer Doug is now calling it for Nigeria, much as a political race is called for the victor. There is now no way, repeat no way, Ebola can be stopped from spreading further in Nigeria. We will see new cases in the cities listed above. We will see additional cases in other cities as well. We will start to see the poorly prepared and supplied medical staff who dealt with these patients in complete ignorance start to die off. After that, Ebola will continue to spread elsewhere in Africa.
The DRC Ebola is also clearly on the move to other southern African countries. Ebola is now based in West Africa, Nigeria and the DRC. These are disease beachheads and will be expanded as the virus spreads more widely. Countries like Zimbabwe are likely to have the same kind of corrupt and incompetent response like Liberia has had.
It is a fatal error for the West to have not responded with dozens of planeloads of medical supplies into Africa. The West and Europe are going to pay a brutal price for that failure.
One more thing is my personal belief that Ebola will first start to appear in southern Europe, Spain and Italy from the thousands of fleeing Africans. Ebola will piggyback on the hordes of frantic refugees storming Europe.
We have now entered a lethal window of opportunity where the appearance of infected people will not be dealt with, tested, quarantined before they infect still more. I will grant the operational ability, the quality of the medical staff, the quality of the supply and logistic departments and the widespread knowledge of aseptic procedures will inhibit the spread of Ebola once it hits Europe and the USA. Still, it will be a function of exactly where the first patients show up. If they show up at a hospital in Detroit none of the above statements apply. There are many urban hospitals in large US cities that are about as good as the hospitals in Liberia and Nigeria.
I will want to see more documented and confirmed cases of Ebola in patients in both Europe and the USA before I hit the doomer siren.
The story of the vomiting man being admitted to that hospital, treated by medical staff with no protective gear shows the level of chaos now common. You would think by now in Nigeria, the instant anybody showed up at a hospital with any type of potential Ebola symptoms they would go into full infection and aseptic protocols.
Doomer Doug is now calling it for Nigeria, much as a political race is called for the victor. There is now no way, repeat no way, Ebola can be stopped from spreading further in Nigeria. We will see new cases in the cities listed above. We will see additional cases in other cities as well. We will start to see the poorly prepared and supplied medical staff who dealt with these patients in complete ignorance start to die off. After that, Ebola will continue to spread elsewhere in Africa.
The DRC Ebola is also clearly on the move to other southern African countries. Ebola is now based in West Africa, Nigeria and the DRC. These are disease beachheads and will be expanded as the virus spreads more widely. Countries like Zimbabwe are likely to have the same kind of corrupt and incompetent response like Liberia has had.
It is a fatal error for the West to have not responded with dozens of planeloads of medical supplies into Africa. The West and Europe are going to pay a brutal price for that failure.
One more thing is my personal belief that Ebola will first start to appear in southern Europe, Spain and Italy from the thousands of fleeing Africans. Ebola will piggyback on the hordes of frantic refugees storming Europe.
We have now entered a lethal window of opportunity where the appearance of infected people will not be dealt with, tested, quarantined before they infect still more. I will grant the operational ability, the quality of the medical staff, the quality of the supply and logistic departments and the widespread knowledge of aseptic procedures will inhibit the spread of Ebola once it hits Europe and the USA. Still, it will be a function of exactly where the first patients show up. If they show up at a hospital in Detroit none of the above statements apply. There are many urban hospitals in large US cities that are about as good as the hospitals in Liberia and Nigeria.
I will want to see more documented and confirmed cases of Ebola in patients in both Europe and the USA before I hit the doomer siren.
bw
Fringe Ranger
"Should" is useful for philosophical discussions, but is not on point. When considering Ebola, we need to deal with reality.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
Some salt, high fructose corn syrup, a colorful wrapper and a great marketing campaign and IT WILL SELL!
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
From Zimbabwe to China (cargo ship cocky businessman or arrogant Chin officer.
From Cairo to Libya to Syria and Iran
...to India by many paths
...
Be Well
may all be well
If peoplein these locations where people eat fruit bats are told "If you eat fruit bats you will get horribly sick and DIE and infect your whole family who will get horribly sick and DIE and they will infect many more people who will get horribly sick and DIE" I think everyone who heard that message would stop doing eating fruit bats.
Be Well
may all be well
Needs polysorbate 80, sodium benzoate and Red #40.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
Spread it on crackers! Libs will LOVE IT!!
Be Well
may all be well
Compare this to Ken Isaac's statements in the article I posted on the previous page. WHO is in a snit and their anger shows their guilt.
From PFI, posted for fair use/discussion etc
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=5725&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1785
Bolding is Monotreme's.
WHO denies MSF rift in S/Leone
http://en.starafrica.com/news/who-denies-msf-rift-in-sleone.html
September 2, 2014 at
The medical charity MSF and the World Health Organization needs one another to compliment their crucial roles in the communities they serve, a WHO spokeswoman said in Freetown Tuesday.”We are a different part in one big piece,” said Nika Allexandra.
She said persistent rumor about the apparent rift between the two which have been blamed for the closure of a WHO lab last week was untrue.
WHO which runs the lab at the MSF operated treatment center in the eastern Kailahun District shut it down after its staffer caught the Ebola virus.
The Senegalese doctor was the first WHO worker to be infected in the course of this outbreak and his experience had others thinking.
In response MSF pulled out six Canadian doctors working for it there.
Some people have interpreted this as a protest move against the UN health body.
Even an earlier denial by the government could not contain the rumor.
The sudden removal of the country representative of the WHO further fuels it.
On Tuesday the WHO spokeswoman said in a radio interview that the withdrawal had been meant to be temporary and to ascertain the safety of the center.
She disclosed that a new team would be in place later this week “if everything goes well.”
Ms Alexandra also rejected claims that her organization’s response to the Sierra Leone crisis was lukewarm.
She said a lot of what WHO does is behind the scene work and that it would seem that they were not doing anything to some people.
She cited the production of the Ebola treatment guideline, among others, as an example of what they do.
“We don’t have to be here, we want to be here” she said in apparent anger in response to text messages by the listening public.
My comment: Working "behind the scenes", eh? Fat freaking lot of good it's doing.
From PFI, posted for fair use/discussion etc
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=5725&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1785
Bolding is Monotreme's.
WHO denies MSF rift in S/Leone
http://en.starafrica.com/news/who-denies-msf-rift-in-sleone.html
September 2, 2014 at
The medical charity MSF and the World Health Organization needs one another to compliment their crucial roles in the communities they serve, a WHO spokeswoman said in Freetown Tuesday.”We are a different part in one big piece,” said Nika Allexandra.
She said persistent rumor about the apparent rift between the two which have been blamed for the closure of a WHO lab last week was untrue.
WHO which runs the lab at the MSF operated treatment center in the eastern Kailahun District shut it down after its staffer caught the Ebola virus.
The Senegalese doctor was the first WHO worker to be infected in the course of this outbreak and his experience had others thinking.
In response MSF pulled out six Canadian doctors working for it there.
Some people have interpreted this as a protest move against the UN health body.
Even an earlier denial by the government could not contain the rumor.
The sudden removal of the country representative of the WHO further fuels it.
On Tuesday the WHO spokeswoman said in a radio interview that the withdrawal had been meant to be temporary and to ascertain the safety of the center.
She disclosed that a new team would be in place later this week “if everything goes well.”
Ms Alexandra also rejected claims that her organization’s response to the Sierra Leone crisis was lukewarm.
She said a lot of what WHO does is behind the scene work and that it would seem that they were not doing anything to some people.
She cited the production of the Ebola treatment guideline, among others, as an example of what they do.
“We don’t have to be here, we want to be here” she said in apparent anger in response to text messages by the listening public.
My comment: Working "behind the scenes", eh? Fat freaking lot of good it's doing.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
ummmmmmmmm.....
NOT "virus-free"
"symptom-free"
There is a BIG difference.
Per WHO's own protocol, recovered Ebola patients' fluids STILL CONTAIN THE VIRUS in COMMUNICABLE FORM for UP TO SIX WEEKS (and that may be a conservative figure)
Be Well
may all be well
From PFI, Pixie's bolding. MSF and Samaritan's Purse are both accusing, and rightfully so, the WHO's total lack of response, for months, to ebola. The question people should be asking is "Why? Don't they have money, huge staff, doctors, knowledge, people in many countries, etcetc? Why have they done basically nothing and ignored ebola since March?"
Keep in mind who the director is and what country she represents and what that country's interests are in Africa.
Fair use, discussion, etcetc
West Africa: Global Bio-disaster Response Urgently Needed in Ebola Fight
2 SEPTEMBER 2014
http://allafrica.com/stories/201409021648.html?viewall=1
New York — MSF Denounces International Inaction in Ebola-stricken African Countries; States Must Deploy Specialized Medical Assets Now
World leaders are failing to address the worst ever Ebola epidemic, and states with biological-disaster response capacity, including civilian and military medical capability, must immediately dispatch assets and personnel to West Africa, the international medical humanitarian organization Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) announced today in a special briefing at the United Nations organized by the office of the UN Secretary General and the World Health Organisation (WHO). The further spread of the virus will not be prevented without a massive deployment of such specialised medical units to bolster epidemic control efforts in affected countries, said MSF.
In a speech delivered to UN member states, MSF International President Dr. Joanne Liu denounced the lack of deployment of resources, which has to-date relied on overstretched ministries of health and private nongovernmental organisations, to tackle the exceptionally large outbreak. Despite repeated calls by MSF for a massive mobilisation on the ground, the international response has been lethally inadequate.
MSF medical teams have been battling the outbreak in West Africa since March. Nongovernmental groups and the United Nations cannot alone implement the WHO Global Roadmap to fight the ever growing and unpredictable outbreak. Transmission rates have reached levels never before reported in past Ebola outbreaks.
“Six months into the worst Ebola epidemic in history, the world is losing the battle to contain it,” said Dr. Liu. “Leaders are failing to come to grips with this transnational threat. The WHO announcement on August 8 that epidemic constituted a ‘public health emergency of international concern’ has not led to decisive action, and states have essentially joined a global coalition of inaction,” she said.
Many countries possess biological threat response mechanisms. They can deploy trained civilian or military medical teams in a matter of days, in an organised fashion, and with a chain of command to assure high standards of safety and efficiency to support the affected countries. MSF insists, however, that any military assets and personnel deployed to the region should not be used for quarantine, containment, or crowd control measures. Forced quarantines have only bred fear and unrest, rather than stem the virus.
“Funding announcements and the deployment of a few experts do not suffice,” said Dr. Liu. “States with the required capacity have a political and humanitarian responsibility to come forward and offer a desperately needed, concrete response to the disaster unfolding in front of the world’s eyes,” said Dr. Liu. “Rather than limit their response to the potential arrival of an infected patient in their countries, they should take the unique opportunity to actually save lives where immediately needed, in West Africa.”
In the immediate term, field hospitals with isolation wards must be scaled up, trained personnel must be dispatched, mobile laboratories must be deployed to improve diagnostics, air bridges must be established to move personnel and material to and within West Africa, and a regional network of field hospitals must be established to treat medical personnel with suspected or actual infections.
In Monrovia, Liberia, for example, new Ebola management centres with adequate isolation facilities and qualified staff are urgently needed. The queue of patients continues to increase in front of MSF’s ever growing ELWA 3 centre, which now contains 160 beds. It is estimated that 800 additional beds are needed in Monrovia alone. The MSF team is overwhelmed and cannot offer more than palliative care.
“Every day we have to turn sick people away because we are too full”, said Stefan Liljegren, the MSF coordinator at ELWA 3. “I have had to tell ambulance drivers to call me before they arrive with patients, no matter how unwell they are, since we are often unable to admit them.”
MSF’s care centres in Liberia and Sierra Leone are overcrowded with suspected Ebola patients. People continue to become ill and are dying in their villages and communities. In Sierra Leone, highly infectious bodies are rotting in the streets.
A multiplication of high quality isolation facilities would allow for earlier referral and admission, leading to a significant impact on mortality. MSF teams have been able to save more lives when people infected with Ebola seek treatment as early as possible. Increased isolation capacity will also relieve the affected countries’ health systems, some of which are on the verge of collapse. At least 150 health workers have died from Ebola; others are too afraid to go back to work.
Additionally, triage centres must to be set up, systems for management of corpses must be increased, and hygiene items must be distributed at a mass scale, along with an increase of active surveillance capacities. Disinfection campaigns are needed, as well as health and hygiene promotion among the populations and within health facilities.
“The clock is ticking and Ebola is winning,” said Dr. Liu. “The time for meetings and planning is over. It is now time to act. Every day of inaction means more deaths and the slow collapse of societies.”
MSF began its Ebola intervention in West Africa in March 2014 and is now operating in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. The organisation runs five Ebola case management centres with a total capacity of 480 beds. Since March, MSF has admitted 2,077 people, of whom 1,038 tested positive for Ebola and 241 have recovered. MSF has deployed 156 international staff to the region and employs 1,700 nationally hired personnel.
My comment: note the ratio of recovered to those who tested positive. I also wonder about those who did not test positive, were some false negatives, or did they all have something else? What were their outcomes?
Keep in mind who the director is and what country she represents and what that country's interests are in Africa.
Fair use, discussion, etcetc
West Africa: Global Bio-disaster Response Urgently Needed in Ebola Fight
2 SEPTEMBER 2014
http://allafrica.com/stories/201409021648.html?viewall=1
New York — MSF Denounces International Inaction in Ebola-stricken African Countries; States Must Deploy Specialized Medical Assets Now
World leaders are failing to address the worst ever Ebola epidemic, and states with biological-disaster response capacity, including civilian and military medical capability, must immediately dispatch assets and personnel to West Africa, the international medical humanitarian organization Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) announced today in a special briefing at the United Nations organized by the office of the UN Secretary General and the World Health Organisation (WHO). The further spread of the virus will not be prevented without a massive deployment of such specialised medical units to bolster epidemic control efforts in affected countries, said MSF.
In a speech delivered to UN member states, MSF International President Dr. Joanne Liu denounced the lack of deployment of resources, which has to-date relied on overstretched ministries of health and private nongovernmental organisations, to tackle the exceptionally large outbreak. Despite repeated calls by MSF for a massive mobilisation on the ground, the international response has been lethally inadequate.
MSF medical teams have been battling the outbreak in West Africa since March. Nongovernmental groups and the United Nations cannot alone implement the WHO Global Roadmap to fight the ever growing and unpredictable outbreak. Transmission rates have reached levels never before reported in past Ebola outbreaks.
“Six months into the worst Ebola epidemic in history, the world is losing the battle to contain it,” said Dr. Liu. “Leaders are failing to come to grips with this transnational threat. The WHO announcement on August 8 that epidemic constituted a ‘public health emergency of international concern’ has not led to decisive action, and states have essentially joined a global coalition of inaction,” she said.
Many countries possess biological threat response mechanisms. They can deploy trained civilian or military medical teams in a matter of days, in an organised fashion, and with a chain of command to assure high standards of safety and efficiency to support the affected countries. MSF insists, however, that any military assets and personnel deployed to the region should not be used for quarantine, containment, or crowd control measures. Forced quarantines have only bred fear and unrest, rather than stem the virus.
“Funding announcements and the deployment of a few experts do not suffice,” said Dr. Liu. “States with the required capacity have a political and humanitarian responsibility to come forward and offer a desperately needed, concrete response to the disaster unfolding in front of the world’s eyes,” said Dr. Liu. “Rather than limit their response to the potential arrival of an infected patient in their countries, they should take the unique opportunity to actually save lives where immediately needed, in West Africa.”
In the immediate term, field hospitals with isolation wards must be scaled up, trained personnel must be dispatched, mobile laboratories must be deployed to improve diagnostics, air bridges must be established to move personnel and material to and within West Africa, and a regional network of field hospitals must be established to treat medical personnel with suspected or actual infections.
In Monrovia, Liberia, for example, new Ebola management centres with adequate isolation facilities and qualified staff are urgently needed. The queue of patients continues to increase in front of MSF’s ever growing ELWA 3 centre, which now contains 160 beds. It is estimated that 800 additional beds are needed in Monrovia alone. The MSF team is overwhelmed and cannot offer more than palliative care.
“Every day we have to turn sick people away because we are too full”, said Stefan Liljegren, the MSF coordinator at ELWA 3. “I have had to tell ambulance drivers to call me before they arrive with patients, no matter how unwell they are, since we are often unable to admit them.”
MSF’s care centres in Liberia and Sierra Leone are overcrowded with suspected Ebola patients. People continue to become ill and are dying in their villages and communities. In Sierra Leone, highly infectious bodies are rotting in the streets.
A multiplication of high quality isolation facilities would allow for earlier referral and admission, leading to a significant impact on mortality. MSF teams have been able to save more lives when people infected with Ebola seek treatment as early as possible. Increased isolation capacity will also relieve the affected countries’ health systems, some of which are on the verge of collapse. At least 150 health workers have died from Ebola; others are too afraid to go back to work.
Additionally, triage centres must to be set up, systems for management of corpses must be increased, and hygiene items must be distributed at a mass scale, along with an increase of active surveillance capacities. Disinfection campaigns are needed, as well as health and hygiene promotion among the populations and within health facilities.
“The clock is ticking and Ebola is winning,” said Dr. Liu. “The time for meetings and planning is over. It is now time to act. Every day of inaction means more deaths and the slow collapse of societies.”
MSF began its Ebola intervention in West Africa in March 2014 and is now operating in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone. The organisation runs five Ebola case management centres with a total capacity of 480 beds. Since March, MSF has admitted 2,077 people, of whom 1,038 tested positive for Ebola and 241 have recovered. MSF has deployed 156 international staff to the region and employs 1,700 nationally hired personnel.
My comment: note the ratio of recovered to those who tested positive. I also wonder about those who did not test positive, were some false negatives, or did they all have something else? What were their outcomes?
bw
Fringe Ranger
I wouldn't bank on that. There's a caste in India who eat rats. They've eaten rats for generations. You think they're going to throw all that away because you tell them eating rats is bad?
If some stranger came from a foreign country to your county and told you that eating pancakes would kill you, would you stop eating pancakes?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Does anyone Know what is the average number of days before DYING that a (later) confirmed case of ebola patient had AFTER THE FEVER ( or other EXTERNALLY VISIBLE) SYMPTOM APPEARED? How many days do the have to get him treatment or he will die?
OR, What is the AVERAGE TIME BETWEEN the first appearance of "BLEEDING OUT" (of eyes,nose, mouth, rectum, or vaginally) and DEATH occurring in later confirmed positive EBOLA patients?
THE REASON I ASK is that right now, in Africa, known exposed, BUT UNTESTED people are not being transferred from quarantine (isolation) facilities to actual treatment hospitals until they are bleeding out, or otherwise OBVIOUSLY, (sans any blood test) CRITICALLY Infected WITH EBOLA. From the survival rates (abt 40 to 50% for VIPS and medical workers GIVEN EARLY TREATMENT AND SUPPORT, it would seem to be a bad plan to simply gather all the suspected exposed cases together with little or no support and wait till they start bleeding out to consider sending them for actual treatment. treatment and support has to begin earlier, with the first appearance of ANY SYMPTOM in the isolated, known exposed patients!!
I believe the people are RATIONALLY NOT COOPERATING because of the government FORCIBLY mixing the exposed, BUT potentially UNINFECTED people into close contact with Exposed, feverish, SYMPTOMATIC, SUSPECTED CASES OF EBOLA.
I WOULD NOT COOPERATE EITHER. NOR WOULD MOST RATIONAL WHITE PEOPLE.
We know so many other figures (number of days between exposure and appearance of symptoms) BUT what is the average number of days between appearance of fever and death? THAT figure I have not seen.
OR, What is the AVERAGE TIME BETWEEN the first appearance of "BLEEDING OUT" (of eyes,nose, mouth, rectum, or vaginally) and DEATH occurring in later confirmed positive EBOLA patients?
THE REASON I ASK is that right now, in Africa, known exposed, BUT UNTESTED people are not being transferred from quarantine (isolation) facilities to actual treatment hospitals until they are bleeding out, or otherwise OBVIOUSLY, (sans any blood test) CRITICALLY Infected WITH EBOLA. From the survival rates (abt 40 to 50% for VIPS and medical workers GIVEN EARLY TREATMENT AND SUPPORT, it would seem to be a bad plan to simply gather all the suspected exposed cases together with little or no support and wait till they start bleeding out to consider sending them for actual treatment. treatment and support has to begin earlier, with the first appearance of ANY SYMPTOM in the isolated, known exposed patients!!
I believe the people are RATIONALLY NOT COOPERATING because of the government FORCIBLY mixing the exposed, BUT potentially UNINFECTED people into close contact with Exposed, feverish, SYMPTOMATIC, SUSPECTED CASES OF EBOLA.
I WOULD NOT COOPERATE EITHER. NOR WOULD MOST RATIONAL WHITE PEOPLE.
We know so many other figures (number of days between exposure and appearance of symptoms) BUT what is the average number of days between appearance of fever and death? THAT figure I have not seen.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Be Well
may all be well
From PFI, bolding is Pixie's.
UPDATE 2-U.S. CDC says Ebola threatens stability of stricken countries
Wed Sep 3, 2014 1:58am IST
(Adds details on U.S. doctor, experimental drug)
By Julie Steenhuysen
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/health-ebola-cdc-idINL1N0R31X520140902
(Reuters) - The world's worst Ebola outbreak is threatening the stability of affected and neighboring countries in West Africa, and requires a "massive" effort to bring it under control, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.
Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. health agency who just returned from West Africa, said he expected the number of Ebola cases to accelerate in the next two weeks and urged governments to act now.
"We're likely to see significant increases in cases. Already we have widespread transmission Liberia. In Sierra Leone, we're seeing strong signs that that will happen in the near future," he said.
Frieden said the outbreak was the first epidemic of Ebola the world has ever known, meaning it is spreading widely in society and is "threatening the stability" of affected and neighboring countries.
"The challenge isn't knowing what to do. The challenge is doing it now," Frieden said on a conference call with reporters.
On Tuesday, a second U.S. doctor contracted the virus while working with obstetrics patients at a missionary hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, according to the church-affiliated organization SIM USA.
The Charlotte, North Carolina-based group did not identify the physician but said he was not treating Ebola patients and that he had isolated himself immediately when symptoms began.
Since it was detected in the remote jungles of southeastern Guinea early this year, the Ebola outbreak has killed some 1,550 people, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
Frieden, who has been providing regular briefings to President Barack Obama on the outbreak, said there is still a window of opportunity, but said "that window is closing."
Separately, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would accelerate development of an experimental Ebola treatment by California biotech Mapp Biopharmaceutical.
It pledged up to $42.3 million in funding for the drug, known as ZMapp, and said the company would manufacture a small amount for early stage safety studies.
The drug has not been tested in humans, but a handful of healthcare workers, including two U.S. aid workers, have received it during the outbreak.
In laboratory testing, ZMapp cured all 18 of the monkeys infected with the virus, including those just hours from death, scientists reported on Friday.
Frieden told the briefing that efforts to develop vaccines and treatments are welcome, but development takes time, and they cannot be counted on to stop the epidemic.
"We need action now to scale up the response. We know how to stop Ebola. The challenge is to scale it up to the massive levels needed to stop this outbreak," he said.
Swift response helped tire manufacturer Bridgestone Corp contain Ebola when an employee at its Firestone plant in Liberia became infected.
Frieden said the company built isolation rooms and identified 73 contacts of the infected individual, then placed them in quarantine for 21 days. Eleven of those employees became ill, and they were treated in an isolated treatment ward the company built. The effort completely contained the outbreak, Frieden said, adding that that type of response was widely needed.
According the Bridgestone/Firestone website, Firestone Liberia provides jobs for more than 6,100 Liberians. here
Frieden said the virus has not mutated in a way that makes it more transmittable, but the risk of such a mutation increases each day the virus circulates within human populations.
During his tour of clinics, Frieden donned the same gear that local Ebola healthcare workers are wearing to protect themselves from the disease. {i.e. NOT simply mask, gloves, & gown Wink }
"It's roasting hot. It's very difficult to move. It's a very distressing environment. Sweat pours down into your goggles and into your eyes," he said.
Frieden appealed for healthcare workers and hospital administrators experienced in this type of work in low resource countries to volunteer their services through organizations such as the CDC Foundation and Doctors without Borders.
"The virus is moving faster than anyone anticipated. We need to move fast," he said.
(Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama, Toni Reinhold)
UPDATE 2-U.S. CDC says Ebola threatens stability of stricken countries
Wed Sep 3, 2014 1:58am IST
(Adds details on U.S. doctor, experimental drug)
By Julie Steenhuysen
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/02/health-ebola-cdc-idINL1N0R31X520140902
(Reuters) - The world's worst Ebola outbreak is threatening the stability of affected and neighboring countries in West Africa, and requires a "massive" effort to bring it under control, the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.
Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. health agency who just returned from West Africa, said he expected the number of Ebola cases to accelerate in the next two weeks and urged governments to act now.
"We're likely to see significant increases in cases. Already we have widespread transmission Liberia. In Sierra Leone, we're seeing strong signs that that will happen in the near future," he said.
Frieden said the outbreak was the first epidemic of Ebola the world has ever known, meaning it is spreading widely in society and is "threatening the stability" of affected and neighboring countries.
"The challenge isn't knowing what to do. The challenge is doing it now," Frieden said on a conference call with reporters.
On Tuesday, a second U.S. doctor contracted the virus while working with obstetrics patients at a missionary hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, according to the church-affiliated organization SIM USA.
The Charlotte, North Carolina-based group did not identify the physician but said he was not treating Ebola patients and that he had isolated himself immediately when symptoms began.
Since it was detected in the remote jungles of southeastern Guinea early this year, the Ebola outbreak has killed some 1,550 people, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
Frieden, who has been providing regular briefings to President Barack Obama on the outbreak, said there is still a window of opportunity, but said "that window is closing."
Separately, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said on Tuesday it would accelerate development of an experimental Ebola treatment by California biotech Mapp Biopharmaceutical.
It pledged up to $42.3 million in funding for the drug, known as ZMapp, and said the company would manufacture a small amount for early stage safety studies.
The drug has not been tested in humans, but a handful of healthcare workers, including two U.S. aid workers, have received it during the outbreak.
In laboratory testing, ZMapp cured all 18 of the monkeys infected with the virus, including those just hours from death, scientists reported on Friday.
Frieden told the briefing that efforts to develop vaccines and treatments are welcome, but development takes time, and they cannot be counted on to stop the epidemic.
"We need action now to scale up the response. We know how to stop Ebola. The challenge is to scale it up to the massive levels needed to stop this outbreak," he said.
Swift response helped tire manufacturer Bridgestone Corp contain Ebola when an employee at its Firestone plant in Liberia became infected.
Frieden said the company built isolation rooms and identified 73 contacts of the infected individual, then placed them in quarantine for 21 days. Eleven of those employees became ill, and they were treated in an isolated treatment ward the company built. The effort completely contained the outbreak, Frieden said, adding that that type of response was widely needed.
According the Bridgestone/Firestone website, Firestone Liberia provides jobs for more than 6,100 Liberians. here
Frieden said the virus has not mutated in a way that makes it more transmittable, but the risk of such a mutation increases each day the virus circulates within human populations.
During his tour of clinics, Frieden donned the same gear that local Ebola healthcare workers are wearing to protect themselves from the disease. {i.e. NOT simply mask, gloves, & gown Wink }
"It's roasting hot. It's very difficult to move. It's a very distressing environment. Sweat pours down into your goggles and into your eyes," he said.
Frieden appealed for healthcare workers and hospital administrators experienced in this type of work in low resource countries to volunteer their services through organizations such as the CDC Foundation and Doctors without Borders.
"The virus is moving faster than anyone anticipated. We need to move fast," he said.
(Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama, Toni Reinhold)
AR15ER
Inactive
It is painfully obvious, "they" don't want it contained. Otherwise, "they", as in all those foundations that supposedly do goodwill around the world, would be moving heaven and earth to get the PPE to those nations. It's not like we don't have plenty in the Western world, that has been put back for nuke or biological war.
Thanks for your reply,Brewer.I am really at a loss,and don't feel like I have many options.My husband and I are in our early 50's and really have no "back up" profession/skills.Although if TSHTF as far as ebola goes,I guess there is no safe place to be.But what does one do for income,preps can only go so far
How are all of you dealing with this?To me, as "awake"as I am, it's hard to fathom that this could really play out here in the US.Will it fizzle like some of the other events like y2k for example? Or am I just overreacting, imagining a worse case scenerio?There is a part of me that wants to think it will all be okay,but....Just thinking aloud and wrestling with my thoughts.
Brewer,the link you provided is for the ebola prep thread.There is also an Offical Discussion Thread.I just go to "today's posts" and you will always find it on page 1 or 2.
Thank you all for your hard work in posting the latest news on this threat.
God bless and keep us all.
PS Can I join you all in pitching my tent in Camp Fooked?
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PyratePrincess
Deceased
Now let's add a "for instance" to these events. There was an older woman (older than ME..so 60's) in a 100k car about 5 cars ahead of us today at a stoplight-leaning OUT her door puking. NOT something you see the upper crust do here in the Dallas area-in the middle of the afternoon.
So-considering that Dr. Brantley has family NOT TOO FAR from here....was she:
A. A chemo patient? (not likely...hair well done, dressed up and driving solo)
B. Hangover from night before? (Possibly. About 3pm...most people would have tossed all their cookies by then)
C. Hangover from Lunch? (Possibly. Didn't seem to be driving funny though.)
D. Someone who had some recent contact with Dr. B??
This would have been a highly unusual event in any environment. You just don't SEE this in the "nice neighborhoods" in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area in the middle of the day. UNTIL it becomes too obvious to hide-the CDC and the WHO are going to continue to downplay HOW this strain is transmitted.
So-considering that Dr. Brantley has family NOT TOO FAR from here....was she:
A. A chemo patient? (not likely...hair well done, dressed up and driving solo)
B. Hangover from night before? (Possibly. About 3pm...most people would have tossed all their cookies by then)
C. Hangover from Lunch? (Possibly. Didn't seem to be driving funny though.)
D. Someone who had some recent contact with Dr. B??
This would have been a highly unusual event in any environment. You just don't SEE this in the "nice neighborhoods" in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area in the middle of the day. UNTIL it becomes too obvious to hide-the CDC and the WHO are going to continue to downplay HOW this strain is transmitted.
Fred's Horseradish
Membership Revoked
AR15ER Good to see you posting. Recognized your avatar. Pretty long time member. Nothing like TB2K.
Masterchief117
I'm all about the doom
Absolutely! Swing by the grill for the latest in grilled meats and there's a brew or other non-alcoholic beverage with your name on it in in cooler. Join us under the shade trees, kick back, relax and let the "doom" flow!
Be Well
may all be well
There is a point where "stupid" just doesn't fit and "evil" does. Of course "stupid AND evil" often fits.
I don't think this is going to fizzle do all you can do to prepare and then wait ...y2k was stopped by thousands of man hours put in by programmers all over the world y2k was a real threat I didn't find that fact out until 2006 when I became friend with a programmer that had a basement full of preps and kept his family home ..All the work he did and countless others and he wasn't sure it was enough to stop the computer melt down So saying that to say this ...If you prepared for y2k you were smart and well informed Just like now it is very smart to prepare for Ebola ...
AR15ER
Inactive
Thanks Fred. Had a little bout with cancer about five years ago. I may post the story some time in the future.
Bulky Cranium
Senior Member
cigarettes are dangerous. Slow, yes, but still dangerous. Not to many smokers heed that warning.
Hey, amarah: You are not alone in the 'limited options' department. Ebola has sprung like a trap on all of us. Yes, the preps eventually run out and the need for food production and preservation is going to become as vital a 'cottage' industry in the near future as it was in the not too distant past for our forebearers. I trust you can cook, can, etc and have equipment for the above? This will be foremost to each and every household going forward and the need for access to procure vital raw ingredients, hopefully from one's own garden. Got rototiller?
Truly, I wish I had some comforting words as well as a new business plan vis-a-vis Ebola to share with you. No you are not overreacting at all. This is the worst-case-scenario or darn close to it. When the food delivery Just-In-Time-Inventory and Shipping breaks down along with water, electric, and trash disposal then you've got the whole enchilada.
I think we're all dealing with this in stages. Medical Maven used the illusion of all of us standing by the waters edge and realizing that white line out in the oceans distance is the tsunami [Ebola] heading right for us. Rich, poor, believer and infidel...all equal opportunity to survive...or not. Who was the philosopher or theologian who stated "No one gets out of here alive"? True statement if ever there was one.
Personally, I'm trying to stay busy making ales for Camp Fooked, and its soon to be burgeoning fellowship. And yes, there is room for you and your DH. Masterchief117 has the grilled meats, just grab a plate, and I've got good, cold draft in keg. Cups over on the table. Help yourself.
Seriously, I think becoming more distant from large population centers has always been a good strategy. You know somewhere you can grow a garden, well water, like minded people, etc. You should think now of those folks that you have good relations with [either family or colleagues] and that understand the potential of a long self-isolation as a prophylaxis against acquiring Ebola and a place to do it with the requisites for food production and reasonable safety from our fellow man. Hey, its a start.
I think we are all a bit overwhelmed with the potential enormity
of the disaster in west Africa. Ebola's very rapid spread coupled with the snails pace, if not downright foot dragging, response by the CDC, WHO, local and regional denial by .gov's in the affected/infected countries.
With the airports 'open-for-business' it is unimaginable that some of the infected from these 'hot zones' have not already made their way into the US, or into southern Europe either via 'boat' as refugees, airplane Mr. 'Big's' and/or diplomats with their immunity status, a student coming back to university from one of those countries, whose names we are all too familiar with now, through these air terminals looking and acting perfectly healthy shedding virii with ever step and door handle they touch. You can't really be overly optimistic with the present state of affairs.
Human nature strikes again. Denial, obfuscation, Political Correctness, spinelessness, corruption, and fear, etc. Modern times, eh. Take care. BREWER
Be Well
may all be well
Yes, but eating fruit bats makes one very sick and then usually dead, in a short span of time!
NWPhotog
Veteran Member
A youtube video of the Ebola positive patient being captured
video: man infected with ebola in market
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iPl86evLaY
video: man infected with ebola in market
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iPl86evLaY
TxGal
Day by day
Another likely possibility - stomach virus. A few years ago I went to help my DD who worked at a large university and who was in the throes of what we all thought was food poisoning after having eaten out at a restaurant. Out of an abundance of caution, I cleaned everything with clorox (even doorknobs and light switches), sprayed lysol in each room after she moved through an area, wore gloves almost constantly except while making her chicken soup from scratch. I thought I was careful enough, but within 24 hours I had it, so we knew stomach virus. It came on like a freight train. I'll leave out the gory details but I was going at both ends for 12 hrs and it was bad enough that at one point I thought I needed to be in a hospital. I have never been so sick in my life, and I'm in my 60s now. I stayed at her place a week so I wouldn't infect anyone else at home, and when I went to see my MD at the end of the week to check when I could go back to work and not infect anyone else, he found I was still dehydrated. His diagnosis was norovirus, it had started going through the school where she worked and they were seeing a lot of it. Honestly, it took us both weeks to get our strength and even a modest appetite back.
The following year a guy I worked with who had a young family caught it. He was so violently ill the poor guy barely made it to the mens' room - it hits that fast - and he was out a week...it started with one of his school-aged kids and went through the entire family. We had a few folks at work who came down with the same symptoms. For a few weeks I gave everyone as wide a berth as one can give at work, washed my hands and sprayed lysol as much as possible. Once you've had it, the memories stay with you...frankly, it was so bad it makes you paranoid about getting it again.
When I think of Ebola, I think of our norovirus experience. It's our only personal experience with a virus that hits so quickly, so hard, and within a family is so difficult to avoid catching because you're doing all you can to take care of a very ill family member.
The contagion factor of Ebola, and the lethality of course, is in a class all its own. It will be by the grace of God alone if we don't get it here in the states simply because of the mobility of the human population. And you've pointed out an important obvious problem as we all go through our daily lives - is that person in the grocery store or at the bank or school just sick with a 'regular' virus, or is it something one heck of a lot more serious. Very worrisome.
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As a programmer, yes Y2K was a BIG problem. It was fixed with BIG money. A technical problem is much easier to fix than people think, just throw brains and cash at it. This is different. The difficulties result from behaviors, from self preservation and CYA mentalities of those 'in charge'. From denial, normalcy bias, and the fact that Africa is 'so far away'. 10-12 hours actually. It can get to NY from Nigeria faster than you can drive from NY to Miami.
If an African had means and suspected he might be exposed, the first thing he would do is get a flight to the US and drop over here where he could get some decent medical care. Kiss everyone in between goodbye.
When Stewart went down and they said they needed to follow up with 30,000 people, only an idiot would believe this would be contained. They are just trying to keep you amused until they can come up with a contingency.
What do you think would happen to the economy if?
A stock broker fell over bleeding from the nose and ears on the trading floor.
People start getting infected at Wal-Mart (the nations largest employer and where all the welfare money is spent)
We have 5,000 SUSPECTED cases and the entire medical system is brought to its knees
All fresh food like meat and vegetables became suspect
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is from early in August (it was a very busy month!):
http://www.cfr.org/diseases-infectious/ebola-outbreak/p33318
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momengineer
Senior Member
If u can't watch the YouTube clip, I posted the same video (with news article) direct from source on previous page. Perhaps that will work for u??
I agree with you on every point... we are living on borrowed time..I believe everything you have stated is not only possible but it is most probable to happen..
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
momoko @okoruoni 2m
Angeblich #Ebola-Verdacht in einem Wiener Krankenhaus / Suspected ebola case in Vienna/Austria http://www.vienna.at/angeblich-ebola-verdacht-in-einem-wiener-krankenhaus/4073587 …
Angeblich #Ebola-Verdacht in einem Wiener Krankenhaus / Suspected ebola case in Vienna/Austria http://www.vienna.at/angeblich-ebola-verdacht-in-einem-wiener-krankenhaus/4073587 …
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
oh dear God---THIS is what some ebola-infected county (couldn't tell which from the tweet) is telling its people to do to avoid the disease:
https://twitter.com/MSGUBOT/status/507153848180695040/photo/1
https://twitter.com/MSGUBOT/status/507153848180695040/photo/1
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