ya'll need to start your own separate OA thread and take the discussion off this oneI have never felt badly of OA. I don't think he meant any offense to anyone. His posts were just annoying. I read posts here, everyday, that are annoying, but I don't think they are trying to be offensive.
Doctor Oz is talking about this virus right now, it can survive for a minimum of 9 days on all surfaces and is more contagious than the normal flu. Hand washing is his solution.
A Crow? you mean like in "The Stand"?
How does any government provide for the needs of 6 million people door-to-door The logistics of that are literally unbelievable...They're going to let this city starve
Honestly, I doubt there are any true chemicals in it...probably just water vapor and something to make it fog or smell. It’s likely theater to seem like the gov is doing “something”Well, if the virus doesn’t kill them, THAT probably will. Smh.
I have speculated that this virus may be being used by the government to tighten their grip on power.
After the protests in Hong Kong, there were some within mainland China, coincidentally enough, they were centered in Wuhan. Now, I have read 100% of the organizers of the protest and many of those who participated have all been "quarantined".
Stalin and Mao killed tens of millions of their own people to retain power... Why do we think Xi may not be capable of the same?
I'll shoot them first in their pinky toe if that does not get they're attention the next one is between the eyes.I don't know that anyone can answer this question until they are faced with the reality of having a weapon in their hand and a person with bad intentions in front of them. There's also a difference in the mindset of shooting someone attacking you with intent to immediately murder or rape you, or just protecting your stuff, no matter how dire that consequence might be. Having made the decision in advance to defend yourself at all costs will help, but reality . . . that's a different animal. Just ask anyone who's had buck fever. It's a discussion worth having though.
I pray any of family and friends never have to find out, for real.
I didnt have any trouble yanking a trigger back in 71-72, Unkle Sugar even paid me to do it. wont be much difference now, HMMM wonder where I can get a few hundred sandbags? already got a huge stock of barbed wire
I'll shoot them first in their pinky toe if that does not get they're attention the next one is between the eyes.
Extended family will be what most of us will have to deal with and I've got some good ones crack heads , heroin addicts and crazy liberals.
My nephew that used to live beside me before he blew his brains out over a girl ripped up my TRUMP sign I had in the front yard. I watched him do it but never said a word. the next morning he woke up too find someone had slit all four tires on his new Prius. He called the law and when they showed up to do a report I just had to walk over to see what all the fuss was about he was cussing and showed me the slit tires . I said must have been the same asshole that ripped up my TRUMP sign..
Me I don't have a problem taking care of what needs to be done to protect what's mine.
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What really slays me about this whole fiasco is the fact that the US is so utterly dependent on Chinese manufactured goods. Regardless of however many isolation units, hospital beds, or vents we might have, how will we manage much of anything if we can't get an adequate supply of PPE? How will we manage if their pharmaceutical manufacturing base stays out of commission and we begin to experience severe shortages of medicines? It really ticks me off that even our troops rely on Chinese manufactured gear! We only have one remaining surgical mask manufacturer still in business in the US - and they don't make N-95's. Even 3M outsourced everything!
They are a weird country.... they have nukes, but they need to deliver them by burro.
Not conductive to conquering the world for sure.....
Looks like a scene out of "Ghostbusters".
I thought it was funny
I even remember reading about some that died from whatever they caught working in the pyramids in Egypt.
From AlertsUSA...
CDC confirms 15th US coronavirus case. Patient among group in quarantine at Lackland AFB, Texas. Likely to be add'l cases in coming days.
If you can read through this post and still believe that the numbers are 60,000 infected and 1500 dead,China Has Ground To A Halt: "On The Ground" Indicators Confirm Worst-Case Scenario
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by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Thursday, 02/13/2020 - 15:05
Back on Monday, when analysts and investors were desperately seeking clues whether China has managed to reboot its economy from the 2-week long hiatus following the Lunar New Year/Coronavirus pandemic amid the information blackout unleashed by the communist party in the already opaque country, we pointed out some alternative ways to keep tabs of what is really taking place "on the ground" in China, where Xi Jinping has been urging local businesses and workers to reopen and resume output, while ignoring the risk the viral pandemic poses to them (with potentially catastrophic consequences).
Specifically, Morgan Stanley suggested that real time measurements of Chinese pollution levels would provide a "quick and dirty" (no pun intended) way of observing if any of China's major metropolises had returned back to normal. What it found was that among some of the top Chinese cities including Guangzhou, Shanghai and Chengdu, a clear pattern was evident – air pollution was only 20-50% of the historical average. As Morgan Stanley concluded, "This could imply that human activities such as traffic and industrial production within/close to those cities are running 50-80% below their potential capacity."
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As a reminder, all this is (or technically, isn't) taking place as President Xi Jinping on Wednesday sought to send a message that progress had been made in bringing the coronavirus outbreak under control and, for most parts of the country, the focus should be on getting back to business.
According to state television, Xi chaired a meeting of the Politburo Standing Committee, China’s supreme political body, on the latest developments on the crisis and future policy responses, concluding that there had been “positive changes” with “positive results”.
Xi also reiterated that all levels of local government and Communist Party committees must strive to achieve China’s social and development goals this year, indicating that he did not want the public health crisis to hinder progress.
Most importantly, Xi urged local authorities to refrain from taking excessive measures to curb contagion, and yet clip after clip from China...
... shows that the measures being taken are far beyond merely "excessive" when it comes to limiting the potential spread of the virus, which probably makes sense considering the unexpected surge in infected cases in Wuhan, which have sent the total for China just shy of 60,000.
Add to this the ongoing uncertainty that Beijing is far behind the curve in containing the virus, and one can see why most businesses are reluctant to "get back to normal."
In the latest confirmation of just that, several other indicators have emerged showing that despite Xi's stark demands for 1.4 billion Chinese to ignore the global pandemic which may very well have been started by one of China's own experimental labs...
... virtually all of China - and all those critical supply chains that keep companies across the globe humming and stocked with critical inventory - remain on lockdown.
As confirmation, while we wait for an update from Morgan Stanley on the latest Chinese pollution data (at least until Beijing's definition of "pollution" is also revised) here is JPMorgan showing that while traditionally daily coal consumption - the primary commodity used to keep China electrified - rebounds in the days following the Lunar New Year collapse when China hibernates for one week, this year there hasn't been even a modest uptick higher, indicating that so far there hasn't been even a modest uptick in output.
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Yet electricity is just one core indicator of real-time economic activity. Perhaps an even more critical one is human transit across the 1.4 billion person strong nation. Conveniently there is a way to track rudimentary traffic patterns across some of China's key metro areas, and they show that - in a confirmation of the worst-case scenario - activity, as measured by travel, across most of China appears to have ground to a halt.
The charts below show TomTom's traffic congestion data across key Chinese cities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Wuhan as compared to the average measurement for 2019. What they show is that virtually nobody appears to be driving in China!
Here is Beijing's congestion level over the past 48 hours (a 7 day average is also available) compared to 2019. The data indicates that travel is about 70% below its 2019 peak.
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Similarly, Shanghai is about 60% below its peak:
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Wuhan, of course, is even worse, with barely any congestion - or traffic - registering.
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Amazingly, the industrial hub of Guanghzhou also appears to have ground to a crawl:
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And as mainland China grinds to a literal halt, traffic in Hong Kong is also starting to slide...
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... and surprisingly, even such major hubs of commerce as Singapore are starting to see a traffic impact.
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By comparison, here is what Los Angeles traffic looks like over the past 48 hours vs 2019 average.
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While not perfect, and certainly not a comprehensive view of what is really taking place "on the ground", the above data is a useful real-time indicator of how the people in China perceive the threat of the coronavirus pandemic, and one thing is abundantly clear: as the pandemic spreads further without containment, and as the charts above flatline, so will China's economy, which means that while Goldman's draconian view of what happens to Q1 GDP is spot on, the expectation for a V-shaped recovery in Q2 and onward will vaporize faster than a vial of ultra-biohazardaous viruses in a Wuhan virology lab.
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They set up a quarantine base at Lackland?!?!
Geez... That is the only base in the U.S. for Air Force Basic Training... Every single airman in the Air Force goes through that base for training. Seems a poor choice to house highly infectious people...
It is a very big piece of real estate with many dorms, necessary support services, and available security.They set up a quarantine base at Lackland?!?!
Geez... That is the only base in the U.S. for Air Force Basic Training... Every single airman in the Air Force goes through that base for training. Seems a poor choice to house highly infectious people...
What really slays me about this whole fiasco is the fact that the US is so utterly dependent on Chinese manufactured goods. Regardless of however many isolation units, hospital beds, or vents we might have, how will we manage much of anything if we can't get an adequate supply of PPE? How will we manage if their pharmaceutical manufacturing base stays out of commission and we begin to experience severe shortages of medicines? It really ticks me off that even our troops rely on Chinese manufactured gear! We only have one remaining surgical mask manufacturer still in business in the US - and they don't make N-95's. Even 3M outsourced everything!
ya'll need to start your own separate OA thread and take the discussion off this one
. . . you are becoming more irritating than OA
Well, after visiting the Alldaychemist website this morning, and then WalMart this afternoon, I'd say it's already too late for many things. ADC has made huge changes in allowable amounts per order... last week, I bought 15 bottles liquid Amoxicillin and the same number of liquid Augmentin. Today., they're sold out of one, and the other is limited to 3 bottles... and the price is 80% higher than last week.Not arguing with you, 20Gauge, but I think the number is closer to 30 days...
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
They are only in motion to reach for the remote to turn the channel...MOO. MOO. MOO. THE SHEEPLE HERD IS IN MOTION. RED RIVER. JOHN WAYNE AND MONTGOMERY CLIFT AND THE KID THAT BANGS THE SUGAR LID.
PREPARE. PREPARE. PREPARE. THE SHEEPLE ARE MOVING IN THEIR BOVINE WAY.
and tomorrow also..... just being clear about it.We dont. He is a bloody communist.
The only good communist is a dead communist.
Applicable over 50 years ago...
Applicable today.
Sorry to say that may just kill them and their neighbors also.A couple things:
Went to patient first today. No one was wearing masks. The check in kiosk did have as the first questions have you been to China or been around anyone who has?
CVS was out of one of the medicines I was prescribed (some sort of antihistamine) the pharmacy said the manufacturer was back ordered on it.
the normalcy bias is so real. Talking to my sister about all this and the possibility of quarantine. She could not get her head around it. “People can’t afford to not work” “what will they do about all the school that is missed?” She understands getting extra food and supplies is a good idea but just can not grasp the concept of a mandatory quarantine.
What the heck.....!!!! Is the CDC staffed by people from the UK???EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 8m8 minutes ago
Coronavirus can be spread by people who don't show symptoms, CDC warns
So they make the shut down official.EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 12m12 minutes ago
China's Hubei province asks firms not to resume work until Feb 21
My 3M 8670 N95 and Moldex N95 masks are made in Mexico. Many nutraceuticals are made in China including Vit. C there's only one European source of Vit C that I'm aware of. Nutraceuticals are the raw materials that go into many supplements. There has been a strategic move to outsource our manufacturing to make us very susceptible and and vulnerable to supply chain issues plus ensure we never have the ability to fight a major war like WWII, that infrastructure is gone! Just my musings, YMMV.What really slays me about this whole fiasco is the fact that the US is so utterly dependent on Chinese manufactured goods. Regardless of however many isolation units, hospital beds, or vents we might have, how will we manage much of anything if we can't get an adequate supply of PPE? How will we manage if their pharmaceutical manufacturing base stays out of commission and we begin to experience severe shortages of medicines? It really ticks me off that even our troops rely on Chinese manufactured gear! We only have one remaining surgical mask manufacturer still in business in the US - and they don't make N-95's. Even 3M outsourced everything!