20Gauge
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I am glad to see the recovery rate climb, but that could be because they stopped counting the dead again.
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marsh
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Outside China, Coronavirus transmission ‘iceberg’ may not be as big as feared
Today, 01:27 PM
Outside China, Coronavirus transmission ‘iceberg’ may not be as big as feared
UN News/Zing Zhang
Passengers wearing face masks and disposable ponchos get their passports checked at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand. 13 February 2020
As infections from COVID-19 coronavirus continue to rise, a senior UN health expert on Thursday said that there were some indications that disease transmission outside China might not be the tip of the “iceberg” that had been feared.
“We’re not seeing a dramatic increase in transmission outside China,” Dr. Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization’s (WHO) Health Emergencies Programme chief, said, while urging against making hasty assessments.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros
· 2h
Ministry of Health #Cambodia just announced that all 20 passengers from the #Westerdam cruise ship tested negative for #COVID19. Very good news. I thank the Ministry and the government again for their solidarity and humanity.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros
I'm really grateful to all the laboratory #healthworkers around the world, including those in
in this photo, who are conducting #COVID19 tests with such great care. Their expertise & humanity are fundamental to stop #coronavirus from spreading further.
: @PasteurCambodia
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As of 4pm on Thursday in Geneva, there were 46,550 infections rom COVID-19, the overwhelming majority in China, WHO reported.
With 1,820 laboratory-confirmed cases and 1,369 deaths, all but two have been in China.
In Hubei province, the epicentre of the outbreak, 13,332 cases have been clinically confirmed.
Outside China, there have been 447 cases from 24 other countries and two deaths; one in the Philippines and another in Japan.
The biggest cluster outside China is on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which is in quarantine in Yokohama port, Japan.
To date, 218 passengers on board have tested positive for COVID-19, Dr. Ryan said.
Other cruise ships in the South China Sea continue to be affected by fears that they may be carrying the virus. Routine testing ‘showed no COVID-19 activity’
Speaking to journalists, Dr. Ryan explained that routine winter testing of patients with chest ailments in hospitals in China, Singapore and Hong Kong had not indicated widespread COVID-19 transmission.
“In emergency rooms and as part of normal winter respiratory disease surveillance, they’ve been actively testing thousands of samples that are not suspect cases of COVID,” he said.
“At the moment, we’re just not seeing COVID activity amongst those samples, and that would give an indication that the iceberg may not be that great – [but] it’s not a guarantee.”
Nonetheless, fears that only a fraction of cases were being detected were “as valid as speculations in the other direction”, Dr. Ryan insisted, before adding that no specific treatments existed for patients, beyond “standard antivirals” used for previous coronavirus outbreaks, such as during the SARS epidemic in 2003.
Vaccines and new drugs would take a long time and require a huge investment in of hundreds of millions of dollars, Dr. Ryan explained, before urging public and private investment to spread the risk. Jump in infections explained by new protocol
Dr. Ryan said that the latest data showing a jump in infections reflects a change in how cases are being diagnosed and reported by Chinese authorities.
From now on in Hubei province only, trained medical professionals are authorized to classify a suspected case of COVID-19 as a clinically diagnosed case based on chest imaging, rather than having to have a laboratory confirmation, the WHO official said.
“This allows clinicians to move and report cases more quickly, not having to wait for lab confirmation, which means that people get clinical care more quickly, and also allows public health responses in terms of contact tracing and other important public health measures to be initiated.” Cambodian cruise ship gesture welcomed
Confirmation of the latest infection tally comes after WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus welcomed the Cambodian authorities’ decision to allow a cruise ship to dock there.
It had been reportedly denied entry elsewhere because of fears that its passengers may have contracted the virus.
“People with mild respiratory or gastrointestinal symptoms are being treated on the Westerdam by cruise doctors & 20 of those are being tested for COVID19,” the WHO chief tweeted earlier in the day.
He noted that the samples have been transported to laboratories via helicopter at Sihanoukville Seaport and that all passengers and crew remain on board in quarantine.
Three cruise ships had either experienced delayed port clearance or been denied entry to ports. Often, said the WHO chief, without an evidence-based risk assessment.
“WHO stands ready to provide any additional support to the Government, especially in building preparedness capacities for COVID19,” he added, before noting that he was “deeply grateful to the Government, particularly Prime Minister Hun Sen”, for their gesture.
In an earlier tweet, the he also thanked Germany’s health authorities after Health Minister Jens Spahn called for more support from fellow European Union members to fight the epidemic.
To date, Germany has reportedly identified 16 cases of COVID-19.
“I fully agree agree that we need to work as one to keep the world safe from this virus,” WHO chief tweeted.
Outside China, Coronavirus transmission ‘iceberg’ may not be as big as feared
Today, 01:27 PM
Outside China, Coronavirus transmission ‘iceberg’ may not be as big as feared
UN News/Zing Zhang
Passengers wearing face masks and disposable ponchos get their passports checked at Don Mueang International Airport in Bangkok, Thailand. 13 February 2020
As infections from COVID-19 coronavirus continue to rise, a senior UN health expert on Thursday said that there were some indications that disease transmission outside China might not be the tip of the “iceberg” that had been feared.
“We’re not seeing a dramatic increase in transmission outside China,” Dr. Michael Ryan, the World Health Organization’s (WHO) Health Emergencies Programme chief, said, while urging against making hasty assessments.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros
· 2h
Ministry of Health #Cambodia just announced that all 20 passengers from the #Westerdam cruise ship tested negative for #COVID19. Very good news. I thank the Ministry and the government again for their solidarity and humanity.
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus✔@DrTedros
I'm really grateful to all the laboratory #healthworkers around the world, including those in
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As of 4pm on Thursday in Geneva, there were 46,550 infections rom COVID-19, the overwhelming majority in China, WHO reported.
With 1,820 laboratory-confirmed cases and 1,369 deaths, all but two have been in China.
In Hubei province, the epicentre of the outbreak, 13,332 cases have been clinically confirmed.
Outside China, there have been 447 cases from 24 other countries and two deaths; one in the Philippines and another in Japan.
The biggest cluster outside China is on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which is in quarantine in Yokohama port, Japan.
To date, 218 passengers on board have tested positive for COVID-19, Dr. Ryan said.
Other cruise ships in the South China Sea continue to be affected by fears that they may be carrying the virus. Routine testing ‘showed no COVID-19 activity’
Speaking to journalists, Dr. Ryan explained that routine winter testing of patients with chest ailments in hospitals in China, Singapore and Hong Kong had not indicated widespread COVID-19 transmission.
“In emergency rooms and as part of normal winter respiratory disease surveillance, they’ve been actively testing thousands of samples that are not suspect cases of COVID,” he said.
“At the moment, we’re just not seeing COVID activity amongst those samples, and that would give an indication that the iceberg may not be that great – [but] it’s not a guarantee.”
Nonetheless, fears that only a fraction of cases were being detected were “as valid as speculations in the other direction”, Dr. Ryan insisted, before adding that no specific treatments existed for patients, beyond “standard antivirals” used for previous coronavirus outbreaks, such as during the SARS epidemic in 2003.
Vaccines and new drugs would take a long time and require a huge investment in of hundreds of millions of dollars, Dr. Ryan explained, before urging public and private investment to spread the risk. Jump in infections explained by new protocol
Dr. Ryan said that the latest data showing a jump in infections reflects a change in how cases are being diagnosed and reported by Chinese authorities.
From now on in Hubei province only, trained medical professionals are authorized to classify a suspected case of COVID-19 as a clinically diagnosed case based on chest imaging, rather than having to have a laboratory confirmation, the WHO official said.
“This allows clinicians to move and report cases more quickly, not having to wait for lab confirmation, which means that people get clinical care more quickly, and also allows public health responses in terms of contact tracing and other important public health measures to be initiated.” Cambodian cruise ship gesture welcomed
Confirmation of the latest infection tally comes after WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus welcomed the Cambodian authorities’ decision to allow a cruise ship to dock there.
It had been reportedly denied entry elsewhere because of fears that its passengers may have contracted the virus.
“People with mild respiratory or gastrointestinal symptoms are being treated on the Westerdam by cruise doctors & 20 of those are being tested for COVID19,” the WHO chief tweeted earlier in the day.
He noted that the samples have been transported to laboratories via helicopter at Sihanoukville Seaport and that all passengers and crew remain on board in quarantine.
Three cruise ships had either experienced delayed port clearance or been denied entry to ports. Often, said the WHO chief, without an evidence-based risk assessment.
“WHO stands ready to provide any additional support to the Government, especially in building preparedness capacities for COVID19,” he added, before noting that he was “deeply grateful to the Government, particularly Prime Minister Hun Sen”, for their gesture.
In an earlier tweet, the he also thanked Germany’s health authorities after Health Minister Jens Spahn called for more support from fellow European Union members to fight the epidemic.
To date, Germany has reportedly identified 16 cases of COVID-19.
“I fully agree agree that we need to work as one to keep the world safe from this virus,” WHO chief tweeted.
Outside China, Coronavirus transmission ‘iceberg’ may not be as big as feared
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
I thought they solved the AIDs crisis by raping virgins.....
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
The level of stupidity just leaves me shaking my head...
Momof5
Senior Member
I'm trying but he's 17, thinks he knows everything and tells me my herbal medicine don't work.
Is the Coronovirus now unstoppable? New data suggests so; must see video!
jward
passin' thru
Excellent thinking, and I thank you for sharing. We needs tuns more of folk like you and your family who're educated, calm, clear eyed, resolute, and ready to serve, knowing, even as they do, the price that may be demanded for just being old school americans and doing what needs being done!
I do far less hospital setting work, which is good for the tri state area, as I am an incorrigible "comfort giver via therapeutic touch" type...I keep telling folks we already had ft. riley/spanish flu, surely we'll miss this go round- it just wouldn't be fair. But, life is anything but fair, isn't it. You enjoy your freedom and halcyon days, too, please! Today we were iced in and our venues shut down, and already I suffered cabin fever. Quarantine will be a problem lol. Blessings to you & yours, you have my prayers, and thanks.
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jward
passin' thru
Those trucks and the fog they dispense were the most terrifying sights I've seen out of China thus far.
Some here have shared that there are particles in the fog that are binding with the virus, and heavy enough
to pull the virus down out of air. It sounded true to me, but I guess educating myself is in order, coz I don't really know it is true, or even possible.
I have read that AIDS was discovered as part of the genone sequence of Coronovirus...?
jward
passin' thru
BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
14m
NEW: Patient of Japanese surgeon with coronavirus tests positive for the illness; he's in serious condition
View: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228118673308733446?s=20
BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
11m
The doctor became ill on January 31 but showed up for work for 3 days earlier this month, during which he worked with patients
@BNODesk
14m
NEW: Patient of Japanese surgeon with coronavirus tests positive for the illness; he's in serious condition
View: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228118673308733446?s=20
BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
11m
The doctor became ill on January 31 but showed up for work for 3 days earlier this month, during which he worked with patients
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
So---let me get this straight.
We have a member who claims to be a horse. (but that's ok--I like horses)
We have members who do their best to live up to their on-screen names and "snipe" at everyone. (and that's ok--that's their privilege)
We have "panic-sex" members (and I LOVE it, Helen!)
We have MANY members--of all KINDS of persuasions--who think the rest of us are going to hell. (and all of whom will be sources of great amusement to the rest of us in heaven when they find the rest of us there)
.....and we can't tolerate someone who'd decided to adopt a new on-screen persona somewhere between Jed Clampett, Uncle Joe (Petticoat Junction), and Grandpa Walton?
.....
REALLY, folks?
The world may well be entering its darkest days.
I, for one, appreciate the slightly humorous distraction of "folksy" words of wisdom.
Can we lighten up and just accept each other--each with our own weirdnesses?
To me, that's what makes this place great, and all of us a FAMILY.
After all, it's not THAT hard to just shake your head and move on to the NEXT post, if it's that aggravating to you.
China Connection
TB Fanatic
It is so funny the statistics in the West. This Wuhan city with a population of 11,000,000 or more
Of course they have an international airport and a big one at that. If this bug isn't all around the world by now in a big way I would be very surprised.
11.084 Million
2018 – 11.084 Million
Hence, the population of Wuhan in 2019 is expected to be 11.084 Million + 0.1288 Million = 11.2128 Million. Therefore, the population of Wuhan in 2019 as per estimates is 11.2128 Million.
Of course they have an international airport and a big one at that. If this bug isn't all around the world by now in a big way I would be very surprised.
11.084 Million
2018 – 11.084 Million
Hence, the population of Wuhan in 2019 is expected to be 11.084 Million + 0.1288 Million = 11.2128 Million. Therefore, the population of Wuhan in 2019 as per estimates is 11.2128 Million.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
So---let me get this straight.
We have a member who claims to be a horse.
We have members who do their best to live up to their on-screen names and "snipe" at everyone.
We have "panic-sex" members (and I LOVE it, Helen!
We have MANY members--of all KINDS of persuasions--who think the rest of us are going to hell.
.....and we can't tolerate someone who'd decided to adopt a new on-screen persona somewhere between Jed Clampett, Uncle Joe (Petticoat Junction), and Grandpa Walton?
.....
REALLY, folks?
The world may well be entering its darkest days.
I, for one, appreciate the slightly humorous distraction of "folksy" words of wisdom.
Can we lighten up and just accept each other--each with our own weirdnesses?
To me, that's what makes this place great, and all of us a FAMILY.
After all, it's not THAT hard to just shake your head and move on to the NEXT post, if it's that aggravating to you.
You're going to hell...
I understand that 90% of US pharmaceuticals come from China. We are screwed.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
I agree with him. so I guess I am going to hell also.You're going to hell...
bw
Fringe Ranger
The Magical Handbasket expands as needed.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
TIP- Since it appears that not all healthy people put into quarantine for a couple of weeks because of their possible exposure to an infected person, are not (in every instance) put into ISOLATED (from each other) quarantine, some are quarantined AS A GROUP rather than individually. (not good)
If you are put into a group and quarantined as a group, do not fraternize with others awaiting discharge from quarantine. Don't "pass the time" playing cards together, or any game, sport, crafts or recreation which involves shared touching of objects. Don't share the TV remote.
Wear a mask when not alone(if they give you one). Make a mask from accordion folding a paper towel if they don't supply any masks.(better than nothing). Keep as much distance as you can from other people.
If you are put into a group and quarantined as a group, do not fraternize with others awaiting discharge from quarantine. Don't "pass the time" playing cards together, or any game, sport, crafts or recreation which involves shared touching of objects. Don't share the TV remote.
Wear a mask when not alone(if they give you one). Make a mask from accordion folding a paper towel if they don't supply any masks.(better than nothing). Keep as much distance as you can from other people.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Ours was still fully stocked with 50 lbs rice as of yesterday. 3/4 pallet in the slot and two more full pallets in the rack. 25 lbs bags of pinto beans were 1/2 pallet in slot, one full pallet up.
ETA: Only hole I noticed was curcumin suppliments
Where did these numbers come from? And can you *please* get rid of caps lock?!
Summerthyme
TxGal
Day by day
Today I hit a different HEB. The 'supply chain problems' notice I mentioned some pages back was also posted at this location in the facial tissue area. Also, in the OTC cough/cold meds area there were several shelves empty with similar notices posted.
There are a lot of flu cases/other respiratory problems in Texas, so I would expect some of these items to be in short supply. However, the supply chain issues notes that are posted are something else entirely.
Folks, don't wait to long to get what you need.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I thought we rode CAP SLOCKMAN out on a rail in 2000.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
The Epoch Times - China Insider @EpochTimesChina 12m12 minutes ago
“Our daily rate of transporting and cremating bodies is 4-5 times higher than normal.” An@EpochTimes reporter spoke to a crematorium manager in #China, who says they are cremating more bodies than normal amid the #CoronavirusOutbreak.
“Our daily rate of transporting and cremating bodies is 4-5 times higher than normal.” An
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Tell him I’m four times his age and it does work. If that doesn’t work sic Summer on him. Or just let him suffer.
picked from here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1.full.pdf
This is a PDF file, I have just picked some glaring (to me) facts to C & P
Title: The Novel Coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated
Authors: Steven Sanche1,2,† , Yen Ting Lin3,† , Chonggang Xu4 , Ethan Romero-Severson1 , Nick Hengartner1 , Ruian Ke1,* Affiliations: 1T-6 Theoretical Biology and Biophysics, Theoretical Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM87544, USA. 2T-CNLS Center for Nonlinear Studies, Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM87544, USA. 3CCS-3 Information Sciences Group, Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545, USA 4EES-14 Earth Systems Observations Group, Earth and Environmental Sciences Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545, USA
Abstract
The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020. Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity. We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period. Integrating these estimates and high-resolution real-time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.
This is a PDF file, I have just picked some glaring (to me) facts to C & P
Title: The Novel Coronavirus, 2019-nCoV, is Highly Contagious and More Infectious Than Initially Estimated
Authors: Steven Sanche1,2,† , Yen Ting Lin3,† , Chonggang Xu4 , Ethan Romero-Severson1 , Nick Hengartner1 , Ruian Ke1,* Affiliations: 1T-6 Theoretical Biology and Biophysics, Theoretical Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM87544, USA. 2T-CNLS Center for Nonlinear Studies, Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM87544, USA. 3CCS-3 Information Sciences Group, Computer, Computational and Statistical Sciences Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545, USA 4EES-14 Earth Systems Observations Group, Earth and Environmental Sciences Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545, USA
Abstract
The novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is a recently emerged human pathogen that has spread widely since January 2020. Initially, the basic reproductive number, R0, was estimated to be 2.2 to 2.7. Here we provide a new estimate of this quantity. We collected extensive individual case reports and estimated key epidemiology parameters, including the incubation period. Integrating these estimates and high-resolution real-time human travel and infection data with mathematical models, we estimated that the number of infected individuals during early epidemic double every 2.4 days, and the R0 value is likely to be between 4.7 and 6.6. We further show that quarantine and contact tracing of symptomatic individuals alone may not be effective and early, strong control measures are needed to stop transmission of the virus.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
Tell him aspirin is made from willow bark.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
mineral oil foggers
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Given the respiratory issue with this virus, I thought it would be a good idea to check my ADVAIR source. Made in the GSk Zebulon plant in North Carolina...
Wixela is made in WVA.
Wixela is made in WVA.
Mama Ten Bears
Veteran Member
Tell him "elderberry " is just the generic name for Sambucol, which is an Israeli pharmaceutical proven to inhibit replication of several viruses.
But honestly... at Day 9, it won't help. Way too late. At this point, if he's still having chest symptoms (cough, congestion, shortness of breath), it's time to see a doctor... secondary bacterial infection is possible. "Normal" (and of course, there are always outliers) flu cases are beyond most acute symptoms by day 9-10, although severe fatigue may keep them down for a few more days. And rest is important- you definitely can relapse or get secondary infection by pushing too hard, too soon.
Summerthyme
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
Just pour some of the syrup on his hotcakes--it's yummy!
jward
passin' thru
Sorry bout that lapse, will make note of it. Feel free to go ahead and add links when you find they've been dropped, too---everyone is posting\ adding info
Would not surprise me.
I've posted this often, but if you hadn't
already seen, take a look at this here...
www.ki4u.com/health.htm
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
jward
passin' thru
Apex
@Apex_WW
33m
CDC director: Novel coronavirus 'is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year' #WuhanVirus #China #coronavirus #COVID19
View: https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1228138054004637701?s=20
Momof5
Senior Member
I think he's about done with it. His throat is still bothering him has a cough and is just tired. He got up and did some stuff today . Its getting better just taking it's time. Thank you
jward
passin' thru
Reuters
@Reuters
2m
The hunt is on for 'patient zero' who spread #coronavirus globally from Singapore. But time may be running out: https://reut.rs/2uIGQYV via
View: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1228147519961649152?s=20
@Reuters
2m
The hunt is on for 'patient zero' who spread #coronavirus globally from Singapore. But time may be running out: https://reut.rs/2uIGQYV via
View: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1228147519961649152?s=20
goosebeans
Veteran Member
Thanks for the report, summerthyme, Hubby had to go somewhere today, he stopped at a Walmart in Fairlawn, VA. He said there was a huge display of elderberry products right in the middle of the store. Added more to the prepps.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
So is Helen...
Momof5
Senior Member
I need to find some jelly, I used to make it but haven't in years.