CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Ping Jockey

Inactive
Interesting twitter thread reference Iran. If true they’re pretty much augered into the ground.

 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Just doing some math. If Kirkland’s outbreak started from one person, and the R0 was 2.7 with no super spreaders, they should have just under four hundred people infected, assuming six generations of spread. My speculation is that the number is probably a lot higher, for two reasons: I think the R0 is higher than that, and - given that people can apparently be infectious very early - there may have been more than six generations. That is assuming only one original source for that area.

Given how much people travel, it has almost certainly spread far and wide by now. I doubt there is anyplace free of the virus at this point. Those of us who have been wondering if we’ve already been infected may actually already be infected! (Or not - there are plenty of other bugs going around.)

Kathleen
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Real-time update on coronavirus outbreak

Source:Global Times Published: 2020/1/22 21:15:00 Last Updated: 2020/3/1 20:33:06




8:32 pm Mar 1

South Korean officials said that a number of members of Shincheongji Church, causing over 1,500 COVID-19 cases in S. Korea, visited Wuhan in January. The authorities will try to find out how many had been to the central Chinese city, epicenter of the virus.

7:36 pm Mar 1

Iran has reported 385 new COVID-19 cases on Sunday, making the Middle East country's total infected cases to 978. Among them, 54 died.

7:12 pm Mar 1

The first imported case of coronavirus infection was detected in Shenzhen. Media reported the patient came from London and went back to Shenzhen via Hong Kong. Before the case, the city had reported zero infections for 8 consecutive days.

6:30 pm Mar 1

No evidence to diagnose Pope Francis with anything other than being slightly unwell, Vatican spokesperson told the Global Times on Sunday, refuting rumors that he has contracted COVID-19

6:03 pm Mar 1

As of Saturday or February 29, 806 prison inmates in Wuhan were confirmed ill with the novel coronavirus.

5:54 pm Mar 1

COVID-19 Update, March 1:
- Iran: 43 dead, partial lockdown of Qom region
- USA: 1st death; state of emergency declared in Washington state
- Ireland, Qatar, Luxembourg, Armenia report 1st case
- WHO: global risk raised to 'very high'

5:42 pm Mar 1

A makeshift hospital in Qiaokou district, Wuhan city, closed on March 1 after the last 34 patients were cured and discharged. It is the first makeshift hospital to close in the coronavirus-stricken city as the situation gradually improves.

4:08 pm Mar 1

China's National Immigration Administration said on Sunday that it is readjusting its work focus, by preventing overseas COVID-19 virus from importing into China, because coronavirus risks outside China have incrementally increased.

3:37 pm Mar 1

Nationwide recovery rates for COVID-19 patients reached 52.1 percent in the past week, indicating improving epidemic situation in Wuhan, Hubei and the whole country and relieving pressure on medical system.

3:06 pm Mar 1

Expats in Shanghai are included in a color-based QR code system designed to track people's health. Used as a permit for entering public venues, it catalogues a person's risk exposion level for COVID-19 as red, yellow or green colors, based on big data tech.

1:42 pm Mar 1

As of Feb 24, at least nine medics have reportedly passed away during the epidemic with COVID-19 infection, all aged between 29-63 years. Another 11 have died from other causes including overwork and heart failure.

1:36 pm Mar 1

Thailand reports first coronavirus death on Sunday, according to health official

12:25 pm Mar 1

Australia recorded it's first COVID-19 fatality after a man from Perth, Western Australia died in hospital overnight.

11:11 am Mar 1

Beijing reported two imported cases of COVID-19 infection from abroad on Sunday, taking total cases in the capital to 413 with eight fatalities.
The 2 new confirmed cases in Beijing on Sat were both imported cases. They were close contacts with a COVID-19 patient from Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region when they all stayed in Iran.

11:09 am Mar 1

A Chinese medical team led by Chen Jingyu in Jiangsu Province successfully performed on Saturday the world's first double lung transplant for a 59-year-old COVID-19 patient. The pair of lungs were donated by a brain-dead patient in another province.

10:52 am Mar 1

There are in total 79,968 confirmed COVID-19 infected patients by March 1, 2020, of whom 2,873 have died in the Chinese mainland. The lethality of the diease, or the fatality rate of the novel coronavirus has risen to 3.59%.

10:48 am Mar 1

Zhong Jinxing, 32, a doctor in South China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, passed away on Friday after having worked consecutively for 33 days on the frontline against the COVID-19 epidemic. He died from overwork.

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
10:48 am Mar 1

Zhong Jinxing, 32, a doctor in South China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, passed away on Friday after having worked consecutively for 33 days on the frontline against the COVID-19 epidemic. He died from overwork.


That is sad. People literally being worked to death.....and only 32 years old.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
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I voted for Trump and will vote again for him, but i don't like that he called the corona virus a hoax that the democrates are making it.
At this point the trying to score points for team blue or team red is petty to the point of gross.

If you would have taken a sample of family and coworkers Friday worrying about Chinese Corona Virus would have pegged you as paranoid or delusional.

The officials seem behind the knowledge curve at the NHS and CDC because the Chinese have been lying and literally burning the evidence. The Who is led by a political selection from country with dubious free information history who seems to care more about protecting the Chinese leadership than the rest of the world’s

The intelligence assets were likely not the type to get factual medical data or it wasn’t seen as needed in the CIA because they were all looking at the societal and government actions and reactions but might have missed this time it’s different.

I think this board said a week or so it would take 2 weeks to know the effect in US and see the spread into the US.

The true nature is being learned and The .gov is behind the curve but why would anyone on this board expect perfection from .gov? It has as many stupid lazy people as any place you have ever worked maybe more so.

Or they know more and decided not to freak the herd. If it can’t be stopped except by draconian measures of forced time and space be happy you are ahead of the curve and prep away.

With no large evidence do you think the media and Demo Congress would allow Pres Trump to take any more severe action?

The snakes in Washington will destroy you for being too far ahead and also for doing what they said if it doesn’t work or for being behind.

Life is not in DC it’s in your community.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
There are in total 79,968 confirmed COVID-19 infected patients by March 1, 2020, of whom 2,873 have died in the Chinese mainland. The lethality of the diease, or the fatality rate of the novel coronavirus has risen to 3.59%.

Also notice what happens to the death rate once the medical response becomes exhausted. And these are only the numbers they are admitting to.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't think so...

It isn't a "reinfection".

It is the virus lying dormant for a period before reemerging as more virulent
If that is the case, do we know if this becoming more virulent because it's managed to infiltrate itself into a huge number of Ace 2 receptors that it wasn't in before, or that it actually mutates while in your body?
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO's director-general, said during a news conference on Friday. "We do not see evidence as yet that the virus is spreading freely in communities." If that were to be the case, the outbreak would be defined as a pandemic, a definition that WHO has not made.

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Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
This certainly makes you wonder, doesn't it? I've been saying all along the Boston area has to be an up and coming hot spot. Between Harvard, MIT, UMass and Boston's Chinatown district, the chances of spread are pretty high. They've only had one confirmed case of COVID-19, and no reports since then. The interesting thing here is that the headline states "flu," but the article repeatedly says "influenza-like illness activity."

Massachusetts is experiencing ‘historically high’ levels of the flu
“Right now there are tens of thousands of people in Massachusetts with influenza.”

By
Dialynn Dwyer, Boston.com Staff
February 25, 2020

Communities across the Bay State are reporting high influenza-like illness activity, the state Department of Public Health found in its most recent weekly flu report.

“It’s at historically high levels,” Dr. Larry Madoff, the medical director for the DPH Bureau of Infectious Disease and Laboratory Sciences, told Boston.com. “In terms of influenza-like illness activity, we’re still higher than we’ve been anytime in the last 10 years.”

During the week of Feb. 14, the state exceeded the 10-year high for influenza-like illness activity, set during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, he said.

“We’re seeing it reflected in the numbers of lab confirmed cases in the [influenza-like illness] activity,” Madoff said. “The hospitalizations have been high, but not at historic levels. It may be that the flu that we’re seeing this season is a little milder than in past seasons or that may reflect some immunity that people have from vaccines.”

The state’s flu activity has decreased slightly — from “very high” in mid-February — but remains categorized as “high.”
The slight decrease may be an indication that Massachusetts has moved pass the flu season’s peak, Madoff said, but it could also still go up again.

“Historically, this would be the time that we’d expect the peak to occur,” he said. “It’s usually in late January or February, and then activity tends to diminish into the springtime. And that’s what I would expect. But it’s really too soon to say.”
The factors driving the historically high numbers aren’t clear yet, the doctor said. But one of the unusual elements of the 2019-2020 flu season has been that the state saw a wave of Influenza B, a strain of the virus that is traditionally thought of as causing a milder form of the flu and more common among children, early on. An outbreak of Influenza A, which is considered more severe, followed.

“What we’re seeing now is both flu B and flu A,” Madoff said. “And it may be that we’re going to see a prolonged season because flu A arose later and may persist longer.”

Both strains of the flu are contained in the vaccine. Madoff said initial vaccine estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show its overall effectiveness is about 50 percent, which is not out of the ordinary.

“It’s sort of in the range that we’ve seen with flu vaccines in recent years,” he said. “It can range from, you know, 40 to 60 or 70 percent, but it’s not bad. It’s also important to remember that even if the vaccine doesn’t fully prevent you from catching the flu, it can make a flu case milder.”

It’s also not too late to get vaccinated, he emphasized, since the flu season will stretch into the spring.

And while the state continues to be concerned about the novel coronavirus, Madoff said Massachusetts residents should be more attuned to preventing the flu as the season progresses.

“That’s what you’re really going to get, and that’s something that you can prevent,” he said.

Only one case of the 2019 novel coronavirus has been confirmed in Massachusetts, in a man who had returned from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. Officials with the CDC said Tuesday that Americans should prepare for the eventual spread of the virus to communities in the United States, The New York Times reports.

Like the flu, the coronavirus spreads through respiratory droplets, and, like influenza, it can cause a spectrum of illness ranging from mild to severe and be fatal, Madoff pointed out.

“We know a lot less about it than we do the flu, so it is something that we’re concerned about and are monitoring closely,” he said. “What we do know is that right now there are tens of thousands of people in Massachusetts with influenza. And that’s a very contagious and serious disease and people should take measures to protect themselves from it.”

People with the flu should stay home, and those who are not ill should stay away from those who are. Frequent hand-washing and use of alcohol-based hand sanitizers will also help prevent the spread of the flu.

“People should cover their coughs and take care of themselves if they’re at risk of complications of the flu,” Madoff said. “If they’re elderly or very young or have other medical conditions, they should contact their doctor if they think they have the flu. Your risk of getting the flu is so much higher than your risk of getting coronavirus right now in Massachusetts.”
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Nation’s hospitals unprepared for COVID-19
National Nurses United
February 28, 2020
COVID-19 model

UC Davis case just one example as one patient sends 124 nurses and health care workers home on self quarantine

Despite University of California medical facilities being generally better prepared and equipped to treat challenging medical cases, the recent UC Davis Medical Center COVID-19 case highlights the vulnerability of the nation’s hospitals to this virus and the insufficiency of current Centers for Disease Control guidelines.

The single COVID-19 patient admitted to the facility on Feb. 19 has now led to the self-quarantine at home of at least 36 RNs and 88 other health care workers.
These 124 nurses and health care workers, who are needed now more than ever, have instead been sidelined. Lack of preparedness will create an unsustainable national health care staffing crisis.

Nurses view the handling of this COVID-19 case as a system failure and not a success. National Nurses United RNs are speaking out because they are dedicated to protecting the health and safety of their patients, health care workers, and the public.

Nurses employed by the University of California medical centers had met with UC officials four times and written repeatedly, starting from Jan. 28, to notify them about the urgency to prepare for coronavirus, make information requests, and offer to work with them. On Feb. 18, UC nurses wrote to Janet Napolitano, the UC system president, to demand increased protection for nurses and patients against the coronavirus. UC Davis nurses on Feb. 11, eight days before this patient was admitted, approached hospital management and asked them to institute infection control plans that already existed and had been in place during the 2014 ebola outbreak, but the hospital did not.

“We know that we can be successful in getting all our hospitals prepared to control the spread of this virus,” said Bonnie Castillo, RN, executive director of National Nurses United. “We are committed to working with hospitals and state and federal agencies to be ready. But nurses and health care workers need optimal staffing, equipment, and supplies to do so. This is not the time for hospital chains to cut corners or prioritize their profits. This is the time to go the extra mile and make sure health care workers, patients, and the public are protected at the highest standards.”

National Nurses United is conducting a survey of registered nurses across the country on hospital preparedness and will be releasing those results next week.
Preliminary results from more than 1,000 nurses in California are worrisome:
  • Only 27 percent report that there is a plan in place to isolate a patient with a possible novel coronavirus infection. 47 percent report they don’t know if there is a plan.
  • Only 73 percent report that they have access to N95 respirators on their units; 47 percent report access to powered air purifying respirators (PAPRs) on their units.
  • Only 27 percent report that their employer has sufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) stock on hand to protect staff if there is a rapid surge in patients with possible coronavirus infections; 44 percent don’t know.
In addition to the survey, NNU has sent letters to the federal Centers for Disease Control, asking it to strengthen its guidelines on COVID-19, and to the California Department of Public Health, Cal-OSHA, and the World Health Organization outlining its concerns and recommendations.
They're gonna release the result of a national nurse survey next week. Hope they don't rely on YouTube or Twitter for this because that thing will be jammed /censored hard.
 

amazon

Veteran Member
It doesn't make sense because it's BS. They want to protect the more valuable people, so they're willing to leave you without. Your job is to see through it and take care of yourself.

(I don't mean this in a confrontational way. It's just my line of thinking.)
To me it makes perfect sense. I used to be a nurse, but I have not done patient care in years. (I have very clear memories of caring for people with communicable diseases.) Those people on the front lines need the PPE. Why should they come in and risk their lives (and the lives of their families) without proper PPE? They are the ones that are getting coughed/sneezed on. They are the ones cleaning up feces and urine. The general public for the most part does not even know how to properly put on and take off PPE. If you don't know that it's worthless. If you think a mask is going to protect you and you don't wash your hands correctly you're wrong. It is ridiculous that we may not have all the PPE first responders need. If that's the case some people should be losing their jobs because they've put the nation at risk. If PPE has to be rationed then first responders get it hands down. If they stop coming to work because they're not protected where would we be? Do we want to see a nurses strike over this right now because the nurses don't feel safe caring for patients? It's unimaginable.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Honey badger virus don’t care. You can be a pope, an Iranian health care minister or a President and if your careless honey badger gonna come for you. I believe Psalm 91 and God’s protection but you don’t put that to the test and do something dumb and presume your protected. The big meetings, church service, political rally’s all need to be suspended until this first wave dies out.

Honey badger don’t care!
I wanted to add I showed this post to Nightwolf and he said it is 100 percent Spot On and a perfect description of the situation done with humor but perfectly expressed.
 

joannita

Veteran Member
Hit all the big stores today... Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Kroger, Harbor Freight... just to get an idea as to how the herd is reacting in south central Kansas. I went out for toilet paper and garbage bags (since I was already prepped, but you can't have to much of the former), but the wife had different ideas as to how the shopping day was going to go.

Costco had a gentleman at the door wiping down shopping cart handles as the patrons entered... long after the patrons had already grabbed the cart and pushed it through the entry door. He utilized the same wipe to wipe down several handles all the while the patrons spent the obligatory 1-2 seconds before continuing on into the store. Last I heard, the sanitizer needed to stay on the surface for longer than 2 seconds in order to be effective. He got an A for effort though...

The store was fairly busy but only saw two to three stocking up on items that appeared to be for addressing this virus. The main items that I saw addressing this issue were Clorox, Clorox wipes, cans of Lysol, Paper Towels and Toilet paper. The rest of the patrons appeared to be doing their 'normal' weekly shopping.

Sam's Club was fairly busy as well, but I did not detect any carts that were abnormal for a regular Saturday morning. There was one man and wife. of oriental background, that was wearing latex gloves and surgical masks. Other than that, it was a normal day of people rifling through the produce without a care in the world.

Walmart & Kroger were extremely busy but there was no evidence of abnormal shopping. Abnormal shoppers YES, especially at Walmart, but normal shopping carts none the less. I did not see carts overloaded with canned goods or cleaning supplies, and thanks to my wife, we hit every aisle and then backtracked and hit about a third of the aisles we had already covered previously so I did have a decent chance to cover the shopping carts of others fairly well at both stores. Nothing out of the ordinary was noted.

Harbor Freight had a few dust masks but nothing of any benefit for viral protection. They did have a few boxes of nitrile gloves, but I couldn't really tell if the inventory they had on the shelves was normal or not for these products.

We had lunch at Abuelos during this adventure. I figured I hadn't heard a thing out of Mexico yet pertaining to this virus and figured that we were safe, at least as safe as one could be. After consuming a whole bowl of tortillas while awaiting for our food to arrive, we were then greeted by the prettiest little Chinese girl who was charged with bringing out the food once it had been prepared. Every other employee at that establishment appeared to be of all or part Mexican except for this cute little Chinese girl who brought out our food... I sh*t you not.

That was my day and why I have tried to play 'catch up' on this thread late into the evening here.
Mexican who are tribal often appear very Chinese; I took a tribal friend to a Chinese restaurant and he totally did not believe me when I told him the waitresses were not from his people group.
 

bsharp

Veteran Member
Rondabe
let me clarify. I do not BELIEVE that essential oils would kill, and that if it did the concentration needed would probably be prohibitive. there have been no studies against this virus to show efficacy and i couldnt recommend risking it.

I would agree!! They can be used as great surface cleaners in normal times. I am supplementing to improve my own immune system. I will not trust it to kill this virus from surfaces.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
If that is the case, do we know if this becoming more virulent because it's managed to infiltrate itself into a huge number of Ace 2 receptors that it wasn't in before, or that it actually mutates while in your body?
I talked to Nightwolf about this when the first "re-infected" cases came up and he said that while it is possible there are real re-infections (you can catch a new cold on top of an old one but it is usually a slightly mutated virus or a different one) it is more likely the disease hides in the body and erupts again later.

While that is rather terrifying news in a lot of ways, the real issue for the masses that no one knows yet is "are people who have a dormant infection contagious even when they show no symptoms?"

He said there are a lot of diseases, some like "herpes" that nearly every human is exposed to and for most people is just something that hides in the body doing nothing until physical or mental stress brings in on; others like Malaria that are often "for life" but come in waves over the years.

Toxoplasmosis is another one that hides in the majority of people (so don't freak out the next time you see one of those "your cat box will kill you" articles) but it only tends to make people ill when they are severely immune-compromised, like with HIV or other extreme health situations.

With all those diseases humans have had time to adapt (as have the germs) to ways that allow for mild to asymptomatic carrying that most of the time don't do much (except for Malaria which is still a major world killer).

If this thing is "forever" once people get it, it may be something like the first generations in Europe that experienced the New World sexually transmitted diseases. At first, they killed almost at once, and over time learned to live in the body for decades.

They still kill today, but they tend to take long enough to do it that the "host" (aka humans, especially in the third world) still mate, produce some offspring (both well and sick) and things are damaged but go forward.

I hope we are not facing something like that.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
If there are indeed hundreds of cases now all over Washington and likely the entire US, perhaps that would be a bit of good news. It is becoming pretty obvious that the virus will not be contained, so the best we can hope for is that it is milder than what we fear. If there are already hundreds of cases in Washington but things still seem pretty normal, perhaps things won't get apocalyptic overall.

Of course, it is still way too early to draw conclusions, but we can hope.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Interesting twitter thread reference Iran. If true they’re pretty much augered into the ground.


If true, expect IRGC to unleash ALL weapons on Israel...

OA
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Kinda just want to get it done and over with, ....almost.

“Sticking my arm out and hold my nose, just infect me now and stop the worrying about it”
You may actually want to wait on that, while it is always possible that diseases will mutate to become worse (it happened in 1918) the more typical pattern is to become milder over time.

That is partly from what I said in my last post, they become milder in creating symptoms and can infect more "hosts" (aka humans) who don't just die on them and kill the virus, but rather are miserable for a few days/weeks but live allowing the virus to either jump to another "host" and/or go dormant in the body somewhere.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
WOW.

Let's add to those numbers: considering that not everyone tests positive the first or second time they are tested, I think it's pretty much a given that all1 1300 symptomatic are infected. And although it's not a 'given',I think it's a safe bet that all 600 of the asymptomatic are infected as well. But even if the tests are 100% accurate you're still left with 1557 members out of 1800 who tested positive, which is 86.5% (??? - if I did my math right, and I am not good at math so I may have gotten it wrong).

HD
I just texted our Western Washington Church Pastor that we should STOP offering "common cup" communion until this pandemic subsides because it is now being transmitted person to person in OUR COMMUNITY. Sharing a cup with others is now not wise and since this is SO highly infectious and MOST DEADLY in those over 60, of which COMPRISES 90% OF OUR CONGREGATION. I told him a Koren Christian church just managed, very quickly, to infect 85% of their 900 members!
 

rafter

Since 1999
Canned pineapple juice will do the same thing, it will surprise you how well and quickly it works!

EVERYONE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT FOR If THEY OR A LOVED ONE GETS CORONA VIRUS, pineapple juice will break up the phlem and mucos so it is easier to cough up!!

Try the concentrated frozen pineapple juice, it tastes more like fresh. The canned to me taste like can.
 

CapeCMom

Veteran Member
I have wondered if it was already is Mass. A bunch of us have already had a nasty cold bug. My brother had it really bad and went to the ER. No flu and no pneumonia thank god...so what was it? He had a really high fever too. I never got a fever but it was a horrible thing....may be I have already had it. It certainly has lasted. I am going on week two but am feeling better.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Honey badger virus don’t care. You can be a pope, an Iranian health care minister or a President and if your careless honey badger gonna come for you. I believe Psalm 91 and God’s protection but you don’t put that to the test and do something dumb and presume your protected. The big meetings, church service, political rally’s all need to be suspended until this first wave dies out.

Honey badger don’t care!

WHAT?! Ya mean we shouldn't jump out an airplane without a parachute, and expect to live, all the while thinking you're under God's protection from gravity? When did this start? I'm always the last to hear anything.

On a serious note. The American Family Assn. (AFA) has for years undertaken to warn, mostly Christians, what shows are pornographic, by having men, called of God (supposedly) watch the shows, for the purpose of warning Christians.

Ya got that right? Watch porno, so you can warn people to not watch porno.

Many fell for this trap. Nearly all of the men that did that, are now divorced, hooked on porn, and totally out of the "ministry".

A lot of times people over look the first line of "protection" - wisdom. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

WISDOM, n. s as z. [G. See Wise.]
1. The right use or exercise of knowledge;

In the AFA case, knowledge didn't apply. It should have been known that watching porn is additive, but they watched it anyway.

In this case: knowledge/wisdom don't go where you KNOW you will get it. Second, wear PP gear if you do. Third, seek out God's protection to cover you. Having done all to stand, then stand.

A couple of other notes:

zerohedge is stating that the panic has started, Costco in New York had lines around the block.

It should also be noted the VP Pence's comment that "Americans don't need masks" he left out the word "TODAY". Better to have some on hand and not need them, then need them, and not have any on hand, and can't find any.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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10:48 am Mar 1

Zhong Jinxing, 32, a doctor in South China's Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, passed away on Friday after having worked consecutively for 33 days on the frontline against the COVID-19 epidemic. He died from overwork.

That is sad. People literally being worked to death.....and only 32 years old.
Probably a heart attack if he was taking energy shots and/or no-doze type pills.
 

Moon

Veteran Member
We have 12 new cases here in the UK today so currently as of this point we stand at 35 identified as infected.
So far there is no panic here in the UK although newspapers like the Daily Mail are ramping up the fear with stories of fear such as one of the main London parks being turned into a morgue if required........ i have noticed bulk pasta etc being sold out of the supermarkets but no shortages as such.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I have wondered if it was already is Mass. A bunch of us have already had a nasty cold bug. My brother had it really bad and went to the ER. No flu and no pneumonia thank god...so what was it? He had a really high fever too. I never got a fever but it was a horrible thing....may be I have already had it. It certainly has lasted. I am going on week two but am feeling better.

Crud like that has been going on in the States since before Thanksgiving, well before COVID19 was a risk. Not saying to not take care or that there hasn't been community spread of this virus but we need to be careful not to attribute every virus to this thing. Just like calling ever virus the "flu" is destructive to taking appropriate precautions against the real thing.
 

rafter

Since 1999
WAAAAY out of prep time. If their observation is correct, there is a very high probability that this has been out and about in the wild and growing exponentially for more than 6 weeks. (If the first patient self isolated then.)

I have a strong suspicion that the CA cases have been wild for a similar period of time. I CANNOT believe that there are so few cases in the San Francisco Bay Area given the large percentage of ethnic Chinese, Chinese students and temp computer migrants in the Silicon Valley. It has to be a teeming pool of virus.

Not tested...not confirmed. There is reason the US isn't testing. We are no better than China for covering up what is really going on.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq


I saw an article today that I didn't post about the Chinese government bragging that 90% of their State Owned Enterprises were up and running again. Reading between the lines it might be that 90% of their SOE have opened but they might only be running at 5% or 10% capacity due to workers that haven't come home yet from their new year celebrations and are still in quarantined cities or lack of parts and raw materials. Many ways to parse such a statement.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just texted our Western Washington Church Pastor that we should STOP offering "common cup" communion until this pandemic subsides because it is now being transmitted person to person in OUR COMMUNITY. Sharing a cup with others is now not wise and since this is SO highly infectious and MOST DEADLY in those over 60, of which COMPRISES 90% OF OUR CONGREGATION. I told him a Koren Christian church just managed, very quickly, to infect 85% of their 900 members!

While I'm sure you have good intentions, and congratulate you on your effort, it may have been in vain though.

IF the denomination does this as a part of the religion like RCC (not RCC bashing just using an example) they won't stop. It's a part of the practice of their religion.

And will probably use the Protection Clause to justify.

And will consider those in the Korean Church as unbelievers, and not under the Protection Clause.

However I could be wrong, so give an update when you can.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I talked to Nightwolf about this when the first "re-infected" cases came up and he said that while it is possible there are real re-infections (you can catch a new cold on top of an old one but it is usually a slightly mutated virus or a different one) it is more likely the disease hides in the body and erupts again later.

While that is rather terrifying news in a lot of ways, the real issue for the masses that no one knows yet is "are people who have a dormant infection contagious even when they show no symptoms?"

He said there are a lot of diseases, some like "herpes" that nearly every human is exposed to and for most people is just something that hides in the body doing nothing until physical or mental stress brings in on; others like Malaria that are often "for life" but come in waves over the years.

Toxoplasmosis is another one that hides in the majority of people (so don't freak out the next time you see one of those "your cat box will kill you" articles) but it only tends to make people ill when they are severely immune-compromised, like with HIV or other extreme health situations.

With all those diseases humans have had time to adapt (as have the germs) to ways that allow for mild to asymptomatic carrying that most of the time don't do much (except for Malaria which is still a major world killer).

If this thing is "forever" once people get it, it may be something like the first generations in Europe that experienced the New World sexually transmitted diseases. At first, they killed almost at once, and over time learned to live in the body for decades.

They still kill today, but they tend to take long enough to do it that the "host" (aka humans, especially in the third world) still mate, produce some offspring (both well and sick) and things are damaged but go forward.

I hope we are not facing something like that.
Thank you, wanted to talk about mutation. I was really thinking about that Dengue 2nd infection kind of thing. That is probably our most concerning unknown
 
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library lady

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While I'm sure you have good intentions, and congratulate you on your effort, it may have been in vain though.

IF the denomination does this as a part of the religion like RCC (not RCC bashing just using an example) they won't stop. It's a part of the practice of their religion.

And will probably use the Protection Clause to justify.

And will consider those in the Korean Church as unbelievers, and not under the Protection Clause.

However I could be wrong, so give an update when you can.
The communion cup is not required as part of Catholic church services. In fact, receiving communion (wafer) is not required. And if the situation is such that parishioners should not attend--severe weather, quarantine, personal illness, caring for another--a Catholic is not required to go to Sunday services. I know with predicted blizzards the church has asked Catholics to stay home and Masses have been cancelled.
 
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