CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Folks, if you find hand sanitizer at any of the stores you go to, better stock up now.
Every store i went to here in Southern CA (Pasadena area) is completely out of hand sanitizer and hand sanitizer wipes, clorox wipes, hand soap is also flying off the shelf. And soup! The soup shelves were all barren!

We stocked up on TP and got some childrens fever reducers and vicks vapo rub.
Otherwise we’re good for a few months with our regular Earthquake preps.

But hand sanitizer... I’ll be on the hunt for it again tomorrow. I only have a couple little bottles and sprays.
Buy 70% rubbing alcohol instead, and carry a smaller plastic bottle filled with it, and, some pieces of (clean) old T-Shirt in a Zip-Lock... When you need it, remove a piece of cotton, soak with alcohol, and "POOF" instant EFFECTIVE sanitizing wipe. 70% alcohol needs 30 seconds of contact time to kill this bug. Could do the same thing with a 9-to-1 Clorox solution. Don't know if it would work the same with Hydrogen Peroxide.

All this assumes that you are wearing nitrile gloves while out-and-about (which should be less and less).

Oh ya... "HI" from the new U.S. hot spot. Gonna be interesting to see how many old folks die at the care facility in Kirkland, and how many of the firefighters catch it, and how many people the kid (and naturally his family) over in the next town, managed to infect before becoming symptomatic.

Wish I was in Alaska.
 
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I am not liking some of what I am seeing on the top of my local news.
The Korean Airline Stewerdess wasn't symptomatic on the plane. Really? According to stories on TB she was shedding CV long before she showed any symptoms.

The person from the Diamond Princess stayed in a hotel before being diagnosed. Of course they didn't name the hotel.

And I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I'm not much liking Trump's lacadaisical attitude at his rally.
Yeah its probably mispelled. Been awake most of the night in pain and misery.
I voted for Trump and will vote again for him, but i don't like that he called the corona virus a hoax that the democrates are making it.
 

plantman

Veteran Member
From my town:

Kirkland, WA - Government
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We wanted to share with you an update on our Kirkland Fire Department. The Kirkland Fire Department is fully staffed and responding to calls. Currently twenty-five Kirkland firefighters and two Kirkland police officers have been placed under quarantine out of an abundance of caution due to a COVID-19 (coronavirus) outbreak at a care facility.
The first responders under quarantine had responded to calls for various medical complaints at the Life Care Center, one of which resulted in a patient being transferred to Evergreen Hospital. Firefighters are either under home quarantine or are utilizing a Kirkland fire station for quarantine. Firefighters that would normally be staffing that station have been relocated. The Kirkland Fire Department is fully staffed and responding to calls for service.
“I would like to specifically acknowledge the outstanding work of our firefighters during these events,” said City Manager Kurt Triplett. “They have been doing their job and assisting people in this care facility for the past few weeks. At the recommendation of Public Health, this has meant that any firefighters who responded to a call at the facility is in quarantine due to an abundance of caution. None of them are presenting any symptoms and we hope they will be tested and cleared soon. In the meantime, other firefighters are covering through overtime and are continuing to respond to calls throughout the city.”
The City has activated its Emergency Operations Center and is in close communication with Public Health Seattle King County to coordinate the response. For up-to-date information please visit the Public Health Seattle King County website
 

marsh

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Is Wall Street Behind The Delay In Declaring The Covid-19 Outbreak A "Pandemic"?

Fri, 02/28/2020 - 23:05

Authored by Whitney Webb via MintPressNews.com,

A little known specialized bond created in 2017 by the World Bank may hold the answer as to why U.S. and global health authorities have declined to label the global spread of the novel coronavirus a “pandemic.”
Those bonds, now often referred to as “pandemic bonds,” were ostensibly intended to transfer the risk of potential pandemics in low-income nations to financial markets.



Yet, in light of the growing coronavirus outbreak, the investors who purchased those products could lose millions if global health authorities were to use that label in relation to the surge in global coronavirus cases.

On Tuesday, federal health officials at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced that they are preparing for a “potential pandemic” of the novel coronavirus that first appeared in China late last year. The World Health Organization (WHO) has stated that an estimated 80,000 worldwide have contracted the disease, most of them in China, while more than 2,700 have died.

However, some have argued that the CDC’s concerns about a likely pandemic have come too late and that action should have been taken much earlier. For instance, in early February, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, had told the New York Times that the novel coronavirus is “very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” while former CDC director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden had echoed those concerns at the time, stating that it is “increasingly unlikely that the virus can be contained.”

Despite those warnings, among many others, the CDC waited to announce its concerns that the virus could spread throughout the United States. Their Tuesday announcement riled markets, wiping out $1.7 trillion in stock market value in just two days. The CDC’s warning has reportedly angered President Trump, who accused the agency of needlessly spooking financial markets.

Notably, WHO officials have taken an even more cautious approach than the CDC in their recent comments, stating that it is still “too early” to declare the coronavirus outbreak a “pandemic” while also asserting that “it is time to do everything you would do in preparing for a pandemic.”

The refusal to label the outbreak a pandemic is odd, since it refers to an epidemic or actively spreading disease that affects two or more regions worldwide. This currently describes the geographical spread of the highly contagious novel coronavirus, which has now resulted in significant clusters of cases far from China, namely in Italy and Iran. Countries closer to China, like South Korea, have also recently experienced an explosion in novel coronavirus infections.

It is possible that concerns over using the word “pandemic” could upset global markets and lead to economic turmoil, similar to what happened to the U.S. stock market following the CDC announcement on Tuesday. Though such concerns are valid, there is also evidence that a particular class of bonds issued by the World Bank that are closely related to official declarations of pandemics may also be responsible for having steered WHO and CDC officials away from using this term, even though the consequences of doing so could negatively impact global public health.

Pandemic Bonds: a “scheme like no other”

In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.

The PEF, which these pandemic bonds fund, was created by the World Bank “to channel surge funding to developing countries facing the risk of a pandemic” and the creation of these so-called “pandemic bonds” was intended to transfer pandemic risk in low-income countries to global financial markets. According to a World Bank press release on the launch of the bonds, WHO backed the World Bank’s initiative.

However, there is much more to these “pandemic bonds” than meets the eye. For example, PEF has a “unique financing structure [that] combines funding from the bonds issued today with over-the-counter derivatives that transfer pandemic outbreak risk to derivative counterparties.” The World Bank asserted that this structure was used in order “to attract a wider, more diverse set of investors.”

Critics, however, have called the unnecessarily convoluted system “World-Bank-enabled looting” that enriches intermediaries and investors instead of the funds intended targets, in this case low-income countries struggling to fight a pandemic. These critics have asked why not merely give these funds to a body like the Contingency Fund for Emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), where the funds could go directly to affected countries in need.

Notably, WHO determines if a pandemic meets the criteria that would see investors’ money be funneled into PEF as opposed to their own pockets, which would take place if no pandemic is declared between now and when the bonds are set to mature this upcoming July.

In 2017, the news site Quartz described the mechanism of “pandemic bonds” as follows:
Investors buy the bonds and receive regular coupons payments in return. If there is an outbreak of disease, the investors don’t get their initial money back. There are two varieties of debt, both scheduled to mature in July 2020.

The first bond raised $225 million and features an interest rate of around 7%. Payout on the bond is suspended if there is an outbreak of new influenza viruses or coronaviridae (SARS, MERS).
The second, riskier bond raised $95 million at an interest rate of more than 11%. This bond keeps investors’ money if there is an outbreak of Filovirus, Coronavirus, Lassa Fever, Rift Valley Fever, and/or Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever. The World Bank also issued $105 million in swap derivatives that work in a similar way. (emphasis added)”
In 2017, the World Bank issued $425 million in these “pandemic bonds” and the bond sale was reported to have been 200 percent oversubscribed, “with investors eager to get their hands on the high-yield returns on offer,” according to reports. The premiums bondholders have received thus far were largely funded by the governments of Japan and Germany, who are also the top nation-state funders of WHO behind the United States and United Kingdom. Reports have claimed that most of the bondholders are firms and individuals based in Europe.

Some analysts have argued that these pandemic bonds were never intended to aid low-income pandemic-stricken countries, but instead to enrich Wall Street investors. For instance, American economic forecaster Martin Armstrong has called the World Bank’s pandemic bonds “a giant gamble in the global financial casino” and a “scheme like no other,” recently arguing that these bonds could present a “a structured derivative time bomb” that could upend financial markets if a pandemic is declared by WHO. Armstrong went on to say that it is in WHO’s interest to declare the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic, but noted that, in doing so, they would cause bondholders to take significant losses.

Even establishment economists like former World Bank chief economist and Secretary of Treasury Larry Summers have criticized the World Bank’s program, dismissing the PEF as “financial goofiness.” Bodo Ellmers, the director of the Global Policy Forum’s sustainable development finance program, has similarly called pandemic bonds “useless,” while Olga Jonas, who worked at the World Bank as an economist for over 30 years, said the program was “designed to fail” because the bonds were crafted in order “to reduce the probability of payout.”

Economic and business analyst and host of the podcast “Quoth the Raven” Chris Irons told MintPress News that, with respect to the pandemic bonds, “What’s important is to focus on who stands to benefit from this not being declared a pandemic,” a difficult task given that the identity of most bondholders are not currently publicly available.

Irons also noted that, in his opinion, “WHO and the CDC have been caught a little flat-footed here” and that some governments that fund WHO, particularly the Trump administration, appear “more concerned with the stock market than giving people information that may be necessary and vital.” He added that behind-closed-doors pressure on WHO by those who stand to lose financially from an official declaration of a pandemic would be “unsurprising.”

How to trigger a payout
As the coronavirus outbreak grows, concern has grown among those invested in pandemic bonds that payout to countries affected by coronavirus will be triggered, despite the clear delay by WHO in declaring the outbreak as a pandemic. While WHO could theoretically alter the criteria that would trigger payout and cause bondholders to lose big, some recent reports have claimed that bondholders are seeking to rid themselves of the bonds prior to their July maturation date.

German media outlet Deutsche-Welle noted that the trigger for the first class of pandemic bonds, valued at $225 million, would normally have already been met due to the criterion of more than 2,500 deaths in a “developing country.” However, WHO has said this does not meet said criterion because it does not consider China to be a developing country, even though the World Bank’s own criteria do consider China to be a developing country.

For the second and riskier category of pandemic bonds, those bonds are triggered when the disease in question crosses an international border and causes more than 20 deaths in the second country. At the time of publication of this article, Iran has recorded at least 50 deaths, which should have triggered this second category of pandemic bonds, valued at $95 million. Yet, WHO yet to comment on how this criterion for the second category bonds has been met.

The WHO’s decision to refuse to use the “p-word” may be the result of several factors, though the pandemic bonds loom large as a $425 million incentive for not doing so. While avoiding the use of the term may please pandemic bondholders, it is set to have major negative consequences for global public health, particularly given the fact that early action against epidemic and pandemic outbreaks is widely considered to be an imperative.
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Comment: I am also wondering what other contract clauses that could trigger - "Act of God" voiding all sorts of agreed upon timelines, voiding medical insurance, voiding life insurance.
 
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seraphima

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From KIRO in Seattle area Saturday night: More of the 'uh oh'.

"Last week, approximately 16 nursing students from Lake Washington Institute of Technology visited the Kirkland facility, and out of an abundance of caution, the college is cleaning its campus.

KIRO 7 also found out Saturday evening that a local U.S. Postal Service employee tested positive for the coronavirus.

A corporate communications spokesperson said that the employee who works at a Seattle network distribution center located in Federal Way.

The network distribution center is a mail processing plant that distributes USPS marketing mail and package services in piece and bulk form and does not handle letter mail. No mail is delivered from the facility.

The spokesperson said USPS has been consulting with the county health department and was informed that the risk to other employees is low.

KIRO 7 was also told that USPS will continue to follow the recommended strategies from county and federal health officials.

On Saturday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention flew in 10 experts to help the local health department track where the coronavirus came from. Paramedics were in protective gear before entering Life Care Center of Kirkland, where a sign warned of an outbreak of respiratory illness. Through Saturday evening, a woman in her 40s who works there and a patient in her 70s both tested positive for coronavirus.

Several fire crews from Kirkland previously responded to the coronavirus patients at Life Care Center. When they showed up, they had no idea that they were potentially exposed to this contagious disease. Seven firefighters from Station 21 were quarantined Saturday. None of them showed symptoms as of Saturday evening."

/www.kiro7.com/news/local/department-health-confirms-first-coronavirus-death-washington-state/XIDPHMLVOJAAREQ5YCL75367PU/
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Nation’s hospitals unprepared for COVID-19
National Nurses United
February 28, 2020
COVID-19 model

UC Davis case just one example as one patient sends 124 nurses and health care workers home on self quarantine

Despite University of California medical facilities being generally better prepared and equipped to treat challenging medical cases, the recent UC Davis Medical Center COVID-19 case highlights the vulnerability of the nation’s hospitals to this virus and the insufficiency of current Centers for Disease Control guidelines.

The single COVID-19 patient admitted to the facility on Feb. 19 has now led to the self-quarantine at home of at least 36 RNs and 88 other health care workers.
These 124 nurses and health care workers, who are needed now more than ever, have instead been sidelined. Lack of preparedness will create an unsustainable national health care staffing crisis.

Nurses view the handling of this COVID-19 case as a system failure and not a success. National Nurses United RNs are speaking out because they are dedicated to protecting the health and safety of their patients, health care workers, and the public.

Nurses employed by the University of California medical centers had met with UC officials four times and written repeatedly, starting from Jan. 28, to notify them about the urgency to prepare for coronavirus, make information requests, and offer to work with them. On Feb. 18, UC nurses wrote to Janet Napolitano, the UC system president, to demand increased protection for nurses and patients against the coronavirus. UC Davis nurses on Feb. 11, eight days before this patient was admitted, approached hospital management and asked them to institute infection control plans that already existed and had been in place during the 2014 ebola outbreak, but the hospital did not.

“We know that we can be successful in getting all our hospitals prepared to control the spread of this virus,” said Bonnie Castillo, RN, executive director of National Nurses United. “We are committed to working with hospitals and state and federal agencies to be ready. But nurses and health care workers need optimal staffing, equipment, and supplies to do so. This is not the time for hospital chains to cut corners or prioritize their profits. This is the time to go the extra mile and make sure health care workers, patients, and the public are protected at the highest standards.”

National Nurses United is conducting a survey of registered nurses across the country on hospital preparedness and will be releasing those results next week.
Preliminary results from more than 1,000 nurses in California are worrisome:
  • Only 27 percent report that there is a plan in place to isolate a patient with a possible novel coronavirus infection. 47 percent report they don’t know if there is a plan.
  • Only 73 percent report that they have access to N95 respirators on their units; 47 percent report access to powered air purifying respirators (PAPRs) on their units.
  • Only 27 percent report that their employer has sufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) stock on hand to protect staff if there is a rapid surge in patients with possible coronavirus infections; 44 percent don’t know.
In addition to the survey, NNU has sent letters to the federal Centers for Disease Control, asking it to strengthen its guidelines on COVID-19, and to the California Department of Public Health, Cal-OSHA, and the World Health Organization outlining its concerns and recommendations.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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This is the twitter feed referenced in that reader app:


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/trvrb/status/1233970271318503426

Trevor Bedford @trvrb
11:20 PM · Feb 29, 2020

The team at the @seattleflustudy have sequenced the genome the #COVID19 community case reported yesterday from Snohomish County, WA, and have posted the sequence publicly to GISAID - Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data. There are some enormous implications here.

This case, WA2, is on a branch in the evolutionary tree that descends directly from WA1, the first reported case in the USA sampled Jan 19, also from Snohomish County, viewable here: auspice


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This strongly suggests that there has been cryptic transmission in Washington State for the past 6 weeks.

It's possible that this genetic similarity is a coincidence and these are separate introductions. However, I believe this is highly unlikely. The WA1 case had a variant at site 18060. This variant is only present in 2/59 viruses from China.


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I'd assess the p-value for this coincidence at 2/59=0.03 and so is statistically significant. Additionally, these two cases are geographically proximal, both residing in Snohomish County.

I believe we're facing an already substantial outbreak in Washington State that was not detected until now due to narrow case definition requiring direct travel to China.


We will be working closely with @KCPubHealth and @WADeptHealth to investigate the full extent of the outbreak.

We're hoping to update soon with better estimates of the number of infections in Washington State using available data.

Thank you to the @seattleflustudy team, and particularly to @lea_starita, for exceptionally fast turnaround from diagnostic assay at @WADeptHealth to sequenced genome

An update, because I see people overly speculating on total outbreak size. Our best current expectation is a few hundred current infections. Expect more analyses tomorrow.

One more update: my best guess at a p-value here is 0.03 as above based on shared mutations (still possible this pattern was chance). If we get another sequence or two from additional WA community cases this should clinch the matter one way or another.



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Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding discussing the above tweets:


View: https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1233982104335212544


Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing
12:07 AM · Mar 1, 2020

Epidemic tracing in WA— bad news—it seems yesterday’s new WA case #2 is directly descended from WA’s case #1 from January, via genetic analysis. Thus the world renowned geneticist below concludes that there’s likely “cryptic” stealth transmission in WA for over a month! #COVID19

Rewind -here was WA case1’s coronavirus test history (report from @NEJM), which showed Case1 had positive tests via nasal swabs, but had contradictory oral swab/other results. Notice Case 1’s oral test was negative on day 12 despite positive nasal. Shows maybe unstable test.


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Thus, we need to know to what extent Case1 may have infected others besides Case2 in WA, given that Case2’s infected descended from Case1 genetically, but neither knew w/ each other. Researchers currently say “Our best current expectation is a few hundred current infections”

Trevor doesn’t mince words: WA already facing an outbreak. I wholeheartly agree and said so earlier tonight on CNN (video link coming later).
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
(fair use applies)

Israeli who recovered in Japan develops coronavirus again
Four new cases were discovered on Friday alone, including the first case of transmission on Israeli soil.

By IDAN ZONSHINE
FEBRUARY 29, 2020 15:12

Friday saw a worrisome spike in Israeli coronavirus cases, as four more citizens were diagnosed with the novel coronavirus in Israel, the Health Ministry reported.

Shimon Dahan returned from quarantine in Japan after having having been presumed to be "recovered", following his infection with the virus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship and subsequent quarantine in Tokyo.

The man flew home to Israel after he was released from quarantine and is the third to be diagnosed as having the virus among the passengers who were brought back from the beleagered cruise ship.

Dahan's sister, Rachel Biton, who was the first to be released from quarantine in Japan, was sent home to Israel on Tuesday after recovering from the virus.

A spokesperson for the family says they are not currently responding to the issue, as they are still waiting to receive answers to the many questions that came as a result of the report.

"If there is anything to say about the matter, you will be notified after the Sabbath."

Dahan flew home to Israel on two commercial flights, both with Turkish Airlines: flight TK53 from Tokyo via Istanbul, and flight TK784 from Istanbul to Tel Aviv, which landed in Israel at 8:55.

All passengers who were on either flight must enter a home quarantine immediately for the next 14 days and report to the Health Ministry.

After being diagnosed, Dahan was transferred to be quarantined at Sheba Medical Center, along with the remaining healthy Diamond Princess passengers.

Later on Friday, two men from northern Israel were also diagnosed with coronavirus after returning from separate trips to Italy, according to the ministry, making them the sixth and seventh Israeli citizens to be infected so far.

The sixth Israeli to be diagnosed is in his forties, and lives in Kibbutz Kabri. After returning from Italy on February 22 he was tested and found not to have the disease.

But on Thursday evening, he began feeling unwell. On Friday, he became the sixth Israeli to test positive for coronavirus and was transferred to be quarantined at Haifa's Rambam Hospital.

According to the epidemiological inquiry done on the sixth victim, his route included four public places in Israel where he could have infected others:

1. Flight #AZ810, which departed Italy on February 21 and landed in Israel on Saturday, February 22 at 3:00 a.m.
2. Also on Saturday: the Aroma Israel branch at Paz gas station near the Pancake House on Route 2 at 6:30 a.m. for 30 minutes.
3. Appliance stores in Sheikh Danon and a shoe store ("Mahsaney Zol Post") in Kiryat Ata between 11:00 am and 1:00 pm.
4. On Sunday February 23: "Hummus Parliament" and Paz station in Nahariya from 11:30 a.m to 12:00 p.m.

The seventh Israeli returned on February 24 and is currently being transferred to be quarantined at Sheba Medical Center.

An epidemiological inquiry is being conducted into that victim's full itinerary and will be published soon, according the Health Ministry.

Earlier on Friday, the second case of coronavirus to be diagnosed within Israel, and the first case of transmission within the country, was discovered to be the wife of Meir Cohen, the first coronavirus victim that was diagnosed here, who had begun developing symptoms after a visit to Milan.

In an interview with Channel 12 News on Friday evening, Cohen said that his fever had stabilized and that the symptoms of the virus had begun receding.

The couple have also both been transferred to Sheba Medical Center for quarantine. Their two children remain under home quarantine and are currently being tested for the disease.

The Health Ministry released a list tracking the recent movements of the first victim, and warned anyone who had been within two meters of him for longer than 15 minutes to immediately be quarantined in their home and report to the ministry online via its coronavirus site.



MORE ON ISRAEL - THIS IS BREAKING NEWS SO THERE IS NO STORY YET, JUST THE HEADLINE

View: https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1234015733941768192

First Squawk @FirstSquawk
2:20 AM · Mar 1, 2020

Israel: 294 students in home-quarantine, among them 28 preschool age kids.
jpost.com
 

bsharp

Veteran Member
Are there any essential oils that can be used as hand sanitizers?

DoTerra’s OnGuard is good for flu season. Not sure whether it kills virus or not...

Edited to add: per rondaben, no essential oils will kill the virus germs. Some may help boost your immune system?
 
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billet

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rondaben

Veteran Member
Kathleen---I didn't mean why an "antidote" would be necessary---if someone was (purposely or by-accident) over-dosed on it.

I am talking about---well, if you're sick with coronavirus---why would you in any situation take more than is recommended on the bottle to take, and thus NEED an 'antidote"? Or does something about the coronavirus make the damage from acetaminophen worse or something?
DoTerra’s OnGuard is good for flu season. Not sure whether it kills virus or not...

Edited to add: per rondaben, no essential oils will kill the virus germs. Some may help boost your immune system?
let me clarify. I do not BELIEVE that essential oils would kill, and that if it did the concentration needed would probably be prohibitive. there have been no studies against this virus to show efficacy and i couldnt recommend risking it.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

US Spy Agencies Monitor Covid-19 Spread, Warn Of Threat To India's 1BN+ Population

Fri, 02/28/2020 - 20:45

This could actually be a rare example of taxpayer money being put to good use by US intelligence agencies for a change, instead of the usual overthrowing governments, funding fanatical "rebels", and eavesdropping on domestic communications.

Reuters reports that US spy agencies are closely monitoring the coronavirus and as a global threat to the homeland, and foreign governments' ability to respond:
U.S. intelligence agencies are monitoring the global spread of coronavirus and the ability of governments to respond, sources familiar with the matter said on Thursday, warning that there were concerns about how India would cope with a widespread outbreak.
CIA headquarters in Langley, VA. Image source: Library of Congress

Both India and Iran are said to be of top concern for intelligence officials, given especially India's densely packed population of over 1 billion people.
The New York Post writes:
Spy agencies in the US are monitoring the spread of coronavirus across the world — with a focus on India — as officials grapple with concerns over the country’s ability to handle a widespread outbreak.
India has confirmed just three cases of COVID-19 in the country, while its government says 23,531 people are under observation, the Economic Times reported.
As for Iran, it's widely believed the Islamic Republic's leaders are concealing the true numbers in the hardest hit Middle East country, while lashing out at Washington for stoking fear and "propaganda" - as President Hassan Rouhani put it in a Wednesday speech.

A new report in The Daily Beast cites health researches who say Iran's true numbers of infected could be closer to 18,000 and not the current official figure of over 240.

India's Economic Times: "Places like Mumbai’s Dharavi slum can facilitate contact with virus-bearing droplets emitted by breathing, talking, coughing or sneezing."


Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said earlier this week that US remains “deeply concerned” Tehran is covering up the true level of its outbreak.

Meanwhile, the Reuters report notes further that the House Intelligence Committee is being regularly briefed by US intelligence.

“The Committee has received a briefing from the IC (intelligence community) on coronavirus, and continues to receive updates on the outbreak on a daily basis,” a House Intelligence Committee official told Reuters.

“Addressing the threat has both national security and economic dimensions, requiring a concerted government-wide effort and the IC is playing an important role in monitoring the spread of the outbreak, and the worldwide response,” the official said.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Hit all the big stores today... Costco, Sam's Club, Walmart, Kroger, Harbor Freight... just to get an idea as to how the herd is reacting in south central Kansas.

Sounds like you got your exercise, too.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
The news about the Pope having covid19 could be true but it’s not confirmed. Dr. Niman has walked his statement back since there is no confirmation.

I mentioned earlier that I went to the site he cited, and it felt hinky. Apparently the site owner hadn't paid their bill or something.
 

2DEES

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Looking for some more thoughtful commentary on this video; others here please watch and comment. My take away was that she pointed out that the phrase " for the health, welfare and safety of the country" was used at least twice during the Address. And that this phrase allows the Constitution to be suspended when it is used.
That's what I got out of it also. The constitution could be suspended with the verbiage used.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Far as I know, the Constitution makes no provision for suspending the Constitution. There are no magic words that make it ok. The government will do what it's going to do, and will ignore the Constitution if it gets in the way.
So pretty much business as usual.
 

Jubilee on Earth

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I voted for Trump and will vote again for him, but i don't like that he called the corona virus a hoax that the democrates are making it.

I didn't hear the original statement, but in his presser the other day someone asked about that and he clarified that the "hoax" comment was not about the coronavirus, but about the Democrats are always inventing something criminal or wrong that he's doing, like the whole impeachment "hoax." That's how he explained it. I'd love to see a transcript of what he originally said. I think the Pres is just really tired after these past two weeks. I can't see him calling the virus a hoax made by the dems.
 

2DEES

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsJCiZTt3uc
37:36 min
When It Comes To Protection From The Coronavirus, You're On Your Own
Dr. Chris Martenson (pathologist, investments)
•Premiered 53 minutes ago
The "your on your own" fits exactly with what I heard on a local radio show the other day.

First responders were called to the scene of a person who was ill with no protective gear. The CDC showed up fully protected with all their protective gear. When one of the responders said he was going to file a complaint for not being adequately protected.

He was told to keep quiet or he would be REASSIGNED or FIRED!!! SO.......
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Any juice without so much sugar workable ?
Pineapple bad for diabetics.
I wonder about the connection between the diabetes and corona virus. What can a diabetic do to mitigate this ? ?

I'm thinking the connection between diabetics and corona deaths may be due to diabetics being immunosuppressed (immune system not as efficient) and also having vital organs that are damaged by high blood sugars over time which puts them much more at risk for that organ failure at the end of the corona experience.

The beneficial anti-inflammatory effects of pineapple juice may be worth the elevation in blood sugar if the diabetic is having trouble breathing...between a rock and a hard place.

Diabetics prepare by good nutrition and exercise, as you know. Keep in mind that in the times prior to insulin availability, doctors treated diabetes with intense physical exercise and severe diets as the only ways available to lower blood sugars. These were not all that effective, as one might guess, but it is all they had.

In times of crisis, I would expect needles to be utilized for more than just one injection, and insulin doses to be self-adjusted downward to conserve supply, but please understand: I am NOT telling anyone to do this! I have no medical credentials. I'm hypothesizing about a worst case scenario where doctors, hospitals, and medicines may not be available. None of this is medical advice!
 
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summerthyme

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That doesn't make sense to me. If it doesn't help protect the general public, how does it help healthcare workers??
It *does* sound dumb, but I can almost see their point... most people have no clue how to make sure a mask fits well, or how to remove potentially contaminated PPE equipment. Due to the nature of this virus, if you also don't have goggles or an eye shield, as well as gloves, it's more "protection theater" than actual protection.

Let's put it this way... how many of the people wearing masks on their way to work or whatever have *any* sort of separate bag or container to stash their goggles, and what do they do with their contaminated mask? I'm betting 99% stuff both in their purse or pocket, and rezuse (without even an attempt at sanitizing) on their way home.

But if the CDC and HHS morons were on the ball, they'd HAVE a stash of several hundred milli9n masks for health care providers... ya know? For that pandemic they kept assuring us was "when, not if"?

And beyond that, if the shortage was known to be critical (as almost every one of us realized back in early January) they should have immediately outlawed sending any PPE sold here out of the country (forget the large quantities we apparently sent "officially" to China in the early days!)

We've got some masks... I'm saving them for the potential of possibly having to care for soneone (God forbid), and I'll also be wearing a mask and goggles while I try to help the community, although I've already warned many that eventually I will be self isolating and won't come out... probably, I'll set something up where I put elderberry syrup or other meds in the mailbox, and they'll leave money sealed in a Ziploc bag (which I'll then move someplace where it can be left in the sun for a couple of weeks before I touch it)

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Is Wall Street Behind The Delay In Declaring The Covid-19 Outbreak A "Pandemic"?

Fri, 02/28/2020 - 23:05

Authored by Whitney Webb via MintPressNews.com,

A little known specialized bond created in 2017 by the World Bank may hold the answer as to why U.S. and global health authorities have declined to label the global spread of the novel coronavirus a “pandemic.”
Those bonds, now often referred to as “pandemic bonds,” were ostensibly intended to transfer the risk of potential pandemics in low-income nations to financial markets.



Yet, in light of the growing coronavirus outbreak, the investors who purchased those products could lose millions if global health authorities were to use that label in relation to the surge in global coronavirus cases.

On Tuesday, federal health officials at the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced that they are preparing for a “potential pandemic” of the novel coronavirus that first appeared in China late last year. The World Health Organization (WHO) has stated that an estimated 80,000 worldwide have contracted the disease, most of them in China, while more than 2,700 have died.

However, some have argued that the CDC’s concerns about a likely pandemic have come too late and that action should have been taken much earlier. For instance, in early February, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, had told the New York Times that the novel coronavirus is “very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic,” while former CDC director Dr. Thomas R. Frieden had echoed those concerns at the time, stating that it is “increasingly unlikely that the virus can be contained.”

Despite those warnings, among many others, the CDC waited to announce its concerns that the virus could spread throughout the United States. Their Tuesday announcement riled markets, wiping out $1.7 trillion in stock market value in just two days. The CDC’s warning has reportedly angered President Trump, who accused the agency of needlessly spooking financial markets.

Notably, WHO officials have taken an even more cautious approach than the CDC in their recent comments, stating that it is still “too early” to declare the coronavirus outbreak a “pandemic” while also asserting that “it is time to do everything you would do in preparing for a pandemic.”

The refusal to label the outbreak a pandemic is odd, since it refers to an epidemic or actively spreading disease that affects two or more regions worldwide. This currently describes the geographical spread of the highly contagious novel coronavirus, which has now resulted in significant clusters of cases far from China, namely in Italy and Iran. Countries closer to China, like South Korea, have also recently experienced an explosion in novel coronavirus infections.

It is possible that concerns over using the word “pandemic” could upset global markets and lead to economic turmoil, similar to what happened to the U.S. stock market following the CDC announcement on Tuesday. Though such concerns are valid, there is also evidence that a particular class of bonds issued by the World Bank that are closely related to official declarations of pandemics may also be responsible for having steered WHO and CDC officials away from using this term, even though the consequences of doing so could negatively impact global public health.

Pandemic Bonds: a “scheme like no other”

In June 2017, the World Bank announced the creation of “specialized bonds” that would be used to fund the previously created Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF) in the event of an officially-recognized (i.e. WHO-recognized) pandemic.

They were essentially sold under the premise that those who invested in the bonds would lose their money if any of six deadly pandemics hit, including coronavirus. Yet, if a pandemic did not occur before the bonds mature on July 15, 2020, investors would receive what they had originally paid for the bonds back in addition to interest and premium payments on those bonds that they receive between the date of purchase and the bond’s maturation date.

The PEF, which these pandemic bonds fund, was created by the World Bank “to channel surge funding to developing countries facing the risk of a pandemic” and the creation of these so-called “pandemic bonds” was intended to transfer pandemic risk in low-income countries to global financial markets. According to a World Bank press release on the launch of the bonds, WHO backed the World Bank’s initiative.

However, there is much more to these “pandemic bonds” than meets the eye. For example, PEF has a “unique financing structure [that] combines funding from the bonds issued today with over-the-counter derivatives that transfer pandemic outbreak risk to derivative counterparties.” The World Bank asserted that this structure was used in order “to attract a wider, more diverse set of investors.”

Critics, however, have called the unnecessarily convoluted system “World-Bank-enabled looting” that enriches intermediaries and investors instead of the funds intended targets, in this case low-income countries struggling to fight a pandemic. These critics have asked why not merely give these funds to a body like the Contingency Fund for Emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), where the funds could go directly to affected countries in need.

Notably, WHO determines if a pandemic meets the criteria that would see investors’ money be funneled into PEF as opposed to their own pockets, which would take place if no pandemic is declared between now and when the bonds are set to mature this upcoming July.

In 2017, the news site Quartz described the mechanism of “pandemic bonds” as follows:




In 2017, the World Bank issued $425 million in these “pandemic bonds” and the bond sale was reported to have been 200 percent oversubscribed, “with investors eager to get their hands on the high-yield returns on offer,” according to reports. The premiums bondholders have received thus far were largely funded by the governments of Japan and Germany, who are also the top nation-state funders of WHO behind the United States and United Kingdom. Reports have claimed that most of the bondholders are firms and individuals based in Europe.

Some analysts have argued that these pandemic bonds were never intended to aid low-income pandemic-stricken countries, but instead to enrich Wall Street investors. For instance, American economic forecaster Martin Armstrong has called the World Bank’s pandemic bonds “a giant gamble in the global financial casino” and a “scheme like no other,” recently arguing that these bonds could present a “a structured derivative time bomb” that could upend financial markets if a pandemic is declared by WHO. Armstrong went on to say that it is in WHO’s interest to declare the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic, but noted that, in doing so, they would cause bondholders to take significant losses.

Even establishment economists like former World Bank chief economist and Secretary of Treasury Larry Summers have criticized the World Bank’s program, dismissing the PEF as “financial goofiness.” Bodo Ellmers, the director of the Global Policy Forum’s sustainable development finance program, has similarly called pandemic bonds “useless,” while Olga Jonas, who worked at the World Bank as an economist for over 30 years, said the program was “designed to fail” because the bonds were crafted in order “to reduce the probability of payout.”

Economic and business analyst and host of the podcast “Quoth the Raven” Chris Irons told MintPress News that, with respect to the pandemic bonds, “What’s important is to focus on who stands to benefit from this not being declared a pandemic,” a difficult task given that the identity of most bondholders are not currently publicly available.

Irons also noted that, in his opinion, “WHO and the CDC have been caught a little flat-footed here” and that some governments that fund WHO, particularly the Trump administration, appear “more concerned with the stock market than giving people information that may be necessary and vital.” He added that behind-closed-doors pressure on WHO by those who stand to lose financially from an official declaration of a pandemic would be “unsurprising.”

How to trigger a payout
As the coronavirus outbreak grows, concern has grown among those invested in pandemic bonds that payout to countries affected by coronavirus will be triggered, despite the clear delay by WHO in declaring the outbreak as a pandemic. While WHO could theoretically alter the criteria that would trigger payout and cause bondholders to lose big, some recent reports have claimed that bondholders are seeking to rid themselves of the bonds prior to their July maturation date.

German media outlet Deutsche-Welle noted that the trigger for the first class of pandemic bonds, valued at $225 million, would normally have already been met due to the criterion of more than 2,500 deaths in a “developing country.” However, WHO has said this does not meet said criterion because it does not consider China to be a developing country, even though the World Bank’s own criteria do consider China to be a developing country.

For the second and riskier category of pandemic bonds, those bonds are triggered when the disease in question crosses an international border and causes more than 20 deaths in the second country. At the time of publication of this article, Iran has recorded at least 50 deaths, which should have triggered this second category of pandemic bonds, valued at $95 million. Yet, WHO yet to comment on how this criterion for the second category bonds has been met.

The WHO’s decision to refuse to use the “p-word” may be the result of several factors, though the pandemic bonds loom large as a $425 million incentive for not doing so. While avoiding the use of the term may please pandemic bondholders, it is set to have major negative consequences for global public health, particularly given the fact that early action against epidemic and pandemic outbreaks is widely considered to be an imperative.
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Comment: I am also wondering what other contract clauses that could trigger - "Act of God" voiding all sorts of agreed upon timelines, voiding medical insurance, voiding life insurance.
Well, well, well. That explains a LOT! Shakespeare missed a category... we need to include the banksters!

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Disaster Cat
Honey badger virus don’t care. You can be a pope, an Iranian health care minister or a President and if your careless honey badger gonna come for you. I believe Psalm 91 and God’s protection but you don’t put that to the test and do something dumb and presume your protected. The big meetings, church service, political rally’s all need to be suspended until this first wave dies out.

Honey badger don’t care!
I am reposting this with the lyrics because of the verse (which is almost a translation in the 16th century of something said during the wave of the Black Death in the 14th).

"All the Politicians of High and Low Degree..." that verse is especially powerful today and a reminder that this stuff isn't just for the 6th century, 1348 the 1600s or 1918 anymore.

Remember the "Shaking of the Sheets" is the shaking of the bodies into the mass graves, also the dancers would dance with the "winding sheets" in the "Dance Macabre" popular in the very late 14th century.
Traditional

Dance, dance the shaking of the sheets
Dance, dance when you hear the piper
Playing, everyone must dance
The shaking of the sheets with me

Bring away the beggar, bring away the king
And every man in his degree
Bring away the oldest and the youngest thing
Come to death and follow me

Bring away the merchant who made his money in France
And the crafty banker too
When you hear the piper, you and I must dance
The dance that everyone must do

Dance, dance the shaking of the sheets
Dance, dance when you hear the piper
Playing, everyone must dance
The shaking of the sheets with me

I'll find you in the courtrooms, I'll find you in the schools
When you hear the piper play
I'll take away the wise men, I'll take away the fools
And bring their bodies all to clay



All the politicians of high and low degree
Lords and ladies, great and small
Don't think that you'll escape and need not dance with me
I'll make you come when I do call

Dance, dance the shaking of the sheets
Dance, dance when you hear the piper
Playing, everyone must dance
The shaking of the sheets with me

It may be in the day, it may be in the night
Prepare yourselves to dance and pray
That when the piper plays ‘The Shaking of the Sheets’
You may to Heaven dance the way

Dance, dance the shaking of the sheets
Dance, dance when you hear the piper
Playing, everyone must dance
The shaking of the sheets with me

Dance, dance the shaking of the sheets
Dance, dance when you hear the piper
Playing, everyone must dance
The shaking of the sheets with me
 
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