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California schools can’t reopen without federal dollars, say state’s education leaders
In a time of budget cuts and emergency costs, state superintendent Tony Thurmond says more funding is needed for supplies, sanitation and smaller classes

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State Superintendent Tony Thurmond speaks via livecast on Thursday, Mat 21. Photo: Facebook Live screenshot

By ARIELLA PLACHTA | aplachta@scng.com | Los Angeles Daily News
PUBLISHED: May 21, 2020 at 10:31 a.m. | UPDATED: May 21, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.

California schools cannot reopen safely in the fall with such modifications as facemasks, smaller class sizes and frequent sanitation without additional funding, said state Superintendent of Instruction Tony Thurmond in a web conference with local school leaders Thursday, May 21.

His plea came days after Gov. Gavin Newsom projected budget cuts for public schools by some $19 billion over two years as local school districts face mounting pandemic-related costs like technology purchases and food distribution.

“We agree with you that we cannot ask schools to do more with less,” said Thurmond at the launch of a conference call for teachers, principals and administrators to share best practices. “We understand that adding social distancing conditions are unavoidable expenses but must be provided for the safety of our students. Clearly we need the assistance of the federal government.”

On Wednesday, Thurmond announced that most schools across the state will open in August or September with public health modifications ranging from staggered playtime to physical barriers and spread out seating in classrooms and busses. Some school districts may offer a combination of in-person and distance learning.

The Center for Disease control released guidelines Tuesday for schools to safely reopen and an online tool for how school leaders can make decisions to do so. They include suggestions for modified classroom layouts, like having students sit facing one direction instead of toward one another, staggered playtime and serving meals in classrooms instead of cafeterias.

Tack on additional school nurses and counselors to address greater student need in the ongoing pandemic, said San Diego Unified Superintendent Cindy Marten, and the burden is simply too large a burden for schools to bear while facing budget cuts on top of longstanding financial challenges.

“Right now the current budget plan is a current recipe for more distance and less learning,” said Marten, speaking on behalf of a coalition of urban districts that has formed to advocate for more funding in recent days.

“This August we want to get back to school and we want to go back safely. We want to open for families everyday because that’s the only way our parents can get back to work … This is not politics, this is math. We cannot absorb a 10 percent cut in funding at the same time we’re trying to do more to open safely.”

The coronavirus pandemic forced schools to close across California in mid-March, disrupting the education of 6 million students and leaving educators in a scramble to provide remote instruction. A persistent “digital divide” between students with and without access to technology emerged, especially in rural districts and those serving students from low income families.

Last month, Gov. Gavin Newsom said schools could physically open as early as July. Thurmond said the state Education Department will not mandate when schools open, and local school districts will have discretion.

But whether there will be adequate COVID-19 testing and contact tracing available is an open question, said Thurmond. So is whether schools can provide enough protective equipment, cleaning supplies and training necessary to implement public health guidelines.
 

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California schools can’t reopen without federal dollars, say state’s education leaders
In a time of budget cuts and emergency costs, state superintendent Tony Thurmond says more funding is needed for supplies, sanitation and smaller classes

LDN-L-VIRUS-SCHOOLS-LAC-0522-1.jpg

State Superintendent Tony Thurmond speaks via livecast on Thursday, Mat 21. Photo: Facebook Live screenshot

By ARIELLA PLACHTA | aplachta@scng.com | Los Angeles Daily News
PUBLISHED: May 21, 2020 at 10:31 a.m. | UPDATED: May 21, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.

California schools cannot reopen safely in the fall with such modifications as facemasks, smaller class sizes and frequent sanitation without additional funding, said state Superintendent of Instruction Tony Thurmond in a web conference with local school leaders Thursday, May 21.

His plea came days after Gov. Gavin Newsom projected budget cuts for public schools by some $19 billion over two years as local school districts face mounting pandemic-related costs like technology purchases and food distribution.

“We agree with you that we cannot ask schools to do more with less,” said Thurmond at the launch of a conference call for teachers, principals and administrators to share best practices. “We understand that adding social distancing conditions are unavoidable expenses but must be provided for the safety of our students. Clearly we need the assistance of the federal government.”

On Wednesday, Thurmond announced that most schools across the state will open in August or September with public health modifications ranging from staggered playtime to physical barriers and spread out seating in classrooms and busses. Some school districts may offer a combination of in-person and distance learning.

The Center for Disease control released guidelines Tuesday for schools to safely reopen and an online tool for how school leaders can make decisions to do so. They include suggestions for modified classroom layouts, like having students sit facing one direction instead of toward one another, staggered playtime and serving meals in classrooms instead of cafeterias.

Tack on additional school nurses and counselors to address greater student need in the ongoing pandemic, said San Diego Unified Superintendent Cindy Marten, and the burden is simply too large a burden for schools to bear while facing budget cuts on top of longstanding financial challenges.

“Right now the current budget plan is a current recipe for more distance and less learning,” said Marten, speaking on behalf of a coalition of urban districts that has formed to advocate for more funding in recent days.

“This August we want to get back to school and we want to go back safely. We want to open for families everyday because that’s the only way our parents can get back to work … This is not politics, this is math. We cannot absorb a 10 percent cut in funding at the same time we’re trying to do more to open safely.”

The coronavirus pandemic forced schools to close across California in mid-March, disrupting the education of 6 million students and leaving educators in a scramble to provide remote instruction. A persistent “digital divide” between students with and without access to technology emerged, especially in rural districts and those serving students from low income families.

Last month, Gov. Gavin Newsom said schools could physically open as early as July. Thurmond said the state Education Department will not mandate when schools open, and local school districts will have discretion.

But whether there will be adequate COVID-19 testing and contact tracing available is an open question, said Thurmond. So is whether schools can provide enough protective equipment, cleaning supplies and training necessary to implement public health guidelines.
If they can't be opened with an absolute guarantee of safety for students...

Don't open.
 

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..normally I am a fan of dual purpose. This though makes me rather sad..
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Makes me sad too. Reminds me of a personal experience years ago. Someone I know collapsed at home. His wife drove him to the ER. My understanding was he was dead when she got him there, late thirties, active, no known heart issues.

Someone close to me was a nurse there. Naturally I was concerned and asked for an update. Will never forget the response. "We worked really hard for a long time, but he's not going to make it."
Long story short: He did make it. Has seen his young children (at that time) graduate. He changed professions and now HE is helping people.
Has the hype associated with this disease created skewed triage protocols? Are people given EVERY chance to get better? No family advocates are present. Anecdotal reports from some facilities are filtering out that suggest "NO".
 

Heliobas Disciple

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The way I look at it is the virus is real, it's much worse than the seasonal flu and it has the potential to mutate. Masks do make a difference, as countries in Asia that have a majority of their population wearing them fared better in the outbreak.

After the virus was released by the Chinese- accidentally or on purpose - it took very little time for both sides to use it politically to further their respective aims. They may not have been in on the release, but they certainly weren't going to let an opportunity like this pass them by. They don't care about saving lives, that's just the cover they use for being able to push their agenda. One thing this virus proves is there are a lot of evil people in this world and a lot of them are in positions of power.

But the fact that most of the virus response is agenda driven and politically motivated does not take away the fact that the virus exists. It does and it's killing people. Saying that, in a normal, sane world, would not appear to be a political statement but somehow in this insane world we now live in - it is. Go figure...

I agree we need to open the country back up, but it needs to be done with the general understanding that there is still a virus out there. It didn't go away. The curve was momentarily flattened, probably because everyone stayed home, but there's no guarantee the cases won't rise again. People are somehow equating the opening back up with the notion that the virus is gone. It's not but they're saying "We're open and we're going about our business. Screw social distancing, screw masks, we did that and we're DONE. Everyone we know is fine and it's all b.s." That is a recipe for disaster. If people really wanted to get out country opened again, they would do it right. They would do their best to make sure there wasn't a second wave in a few months, they'd do their best to make the reopening work, not guarantee it's failure. But out of some sort of stubbornness and mistaken belief that this is what 'liberty' is people are acting against what they say they want - an open and recovered economy. Newsflash: it's not going to stay open and recovered very long if the virus makes a resurgence. Which their 'screw social distancing' - 'screw masks' - behavior is basically guaranteeing.

If after Chernobyl happened the residents protested and demanded that they be allowed to move back into their homes because it was all a conspiracy and everything looked the same, the smoke had cleared, and anyone telling them their lives were in danger was just making it up to steal their property, and keep them from their jobs, that their friends moved back in a few days ago and all of them are fine, which proves it's all lies - we'd look at them as insane. And people who valued life would try to dissuade them from moving back to the area. They'd tell them that radiation sickness might not show up tomorrow, it might take a few weeks, or months or years. That living on top of Chernobyl without PPE is deadly. And the response would be that you must be in on the conspiracy and don't value liberty the way they do, that you're just a sheeple who is too easily duped. Eventually, even the most pro-life person would have to give up. They'd have to say to those people - you are adults, we've tried to tell you it's not safe, you don't believe it, and you're right, it is your property and it is your job and no one should tell you how to live your life. We're not a nanny state, you should be allowed to make your own decisions. So go with God and good luck.

That's about how I feel right now. ETA: of course, radiation poisoning isn't contagious so in that scenario it would only be their own lives they're risking, and they wouldn't be Typhoid Mary's who could be spreading the disease to others. So the analogy is faulty. But it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

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Heliobas Disciple

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35 per cent of people infected with Covid-19 show no symptoms, according to US ‘best estimate’
The Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said that these people can still spread the virus to others

Tribune News Service
Published: 7:12am, 23 May, 2020

About a third of people infected with coronavirus in the US are asymptomatic, according to newly released guidance from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC and the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response have developed five different planning scenarios to help public health officials making coronavirus decisions based on mathematical modelling.

To determine each scenario, the CDC looks at “measures of viral transmissibility, disease severity and pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic disease transmission.”

An “asymptomatic case” means that an individual infected with the virus “does not exhibit symptoms during the course of infection.”

According to the most updated information, and under CDC’s “best estimate about viral transmission and disease severity in the United States,” the agency believes that 35 per cent of people infected by the coronavirus show no symptoms – but are nonetheless capable of spreading the virus.

The agency also estimates that – under that same scenario – about 0.4 per cent of people who contract the virus will die from it.

According to the CDC’s worst-case scenario, the case fatality rate jumps to 1 per cent.

Carl T Bergstrom, a biologist with the University of Washington, says the numbers are too optimistic.

“With guidance from this newly released CDC document, federal agencies are modelling the Covid pandemic using implausibly low fatality rate,” he tweeted.

With guidance from this newly released CDC document, federal agencies are modeling the COVID pandemic using implausibly low fatality rate.
Their "best estimate" has a symptomatic CFR of 0.4%
Their worst case scenario has CFR — not IFR — of 1% https://t.co/E34k5kzZSG
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— Carl T. Bergstrom (@CT_Bergstrom) May 21, 2020

“As I see it, the ‘best estimate’ is extremely optimistic, and the ‘worst case’ scenario is fairly optimistic even as a best estimate. One certainly wants to consider worse scenarios,” Bergstrom, an expert in modelling and computer simulations, told CNN.

Under CDC’s best scenario, 3.4 per cent of infected people will require hospitalisation, a figure that substantially rises for the elderly population: 7.4 per cent of individuals 65 and older will need to be treated at a hospital.

The agency also noted that 40 per cent of coronavirus transmissions occur before people get sick.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Europe should brace for second wave, says EU coronavirus chief
Exclusive: ‘The question is how big,’ says Dr Andrea Ammon, who thinks March skiing breaks were pivotal to spread

Daniel Boffey in Brussels
Wed 20 May 2020 09.09 EDT

The prospect of a second wave of coronavirus infection across Europe is no longer a distant theory, according to the director of the EU agency responsible for advising governments – including the UK – on disease control.

“The question is when and how big, that is the question in my view,” said Dr Andrea Ammon, director of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).

It has been the unenviable task of scientists to tell it as it is through the coronavirus pandemic. While politicians have been caught offering empty reassurances, the epidemiologists, a job title new to many, have emerged as the straight shooters of the crisis, sometimes to their detriment.

And Ammon, a former adviser to the German government, speaks frankly in her first interview with a UK newspaper since the crisis began.

“Looking at the characteristics of the virus, looking at what now emerges from the different countries in terms of population immunity – which isn’t all that exciting, between 2% and 14%, that leaves still 85% to 90% of the population susceptible – the virus is around us, circulating much more than January and February … I don’t want to draw a doomsday picture but I think we have to be realistic. That it’s not the time now to completely relax.”

Earlier this month the former hospital doctor, who worked through the various levels of healthcare bureaucracy to be become ECDC director in 2017, announced that, as of 2 May, Europe as a whole had passed the peak of infections. Only Poland was technically not yet there, she said.

European governments have started easing their lockdown restrictions, some to the extent that bars and restaurants will soon reopen, others rather more tentatively. Boris Johnson has tweaked his message to Britons from “stay at home” to “stay alert” and is seeking to send pupils back into schools in a fortnight.

Ammon’s job is to scrutinise the fallout and catch any rise in infections early. Talking through Skype from her kitchen at home, from where she has been working remotely for the last two months, she insists a disastrous second wave is not inevitable if people stick to the rules and keep their distance.

But she detects an ominous weakening of the public’s resolve.

“I think now it’s beginning to strain. What we see is that, on the one hand, the economic part for small and medium-sized businesses but also the experience of people not being able to exercise all the freedoms that we normally have: to go where we like, to be with whom we want to be. And this is a quite fundamental change to our normal way of life.

“And especially now when it is clear [infections] are going down, people think it is over. Which it isn’t, which it definitely isn’t.”

Asked whether the data was showing any repercussions, Ammon gave a deadpan answer. “Not yet. I mean, maybe it doesn’t come ever, maybe all the adjustment of these measures is done in a prudent way. This is something we are really right now are closely monitoring: what is happening after all these measures.”

As of Wednesday 158,134 people have died from Covid-19 in the EU and the UK, Norway, Liechtenstein and Iceland, according to ECDC data for the countries the agency monitors.

The UK has the highest level of deaths in Europe, with 35,341, followed by Italy (32,169) and France (28,022).

A total of 1,324,183 cases of infection have been reported. Among those is a member of Ammon’s own staff. Only a skeleton group of fewer than 10 now work in the agency’s office in Stockholm.

“Part of our crisis team that needs to be there because they need very close cooperation. But they’re sitting wide apart. Honestly. We have to do what we preach.”

Ammon recalls that it was only in late January that it had become clear that a novel virus causing a cluster of deaths in the Chinese city of Wuhan could be transmitted human to human, with initial concerns focusing on the possibility of the disease spreading through imports.

As the extremely contagious nature of the virus emerged, the ECDC advised governments on 26 January to strengthen the capacities of their health services. There was fear of them being overwhelmed, as was shortly to be the case with tragic results in Lombardy in northern Italy.

“We did really emphasise that these plans have to be updated. And in particular, the hospital preparedness needs to be looked at, how to make sure to have a surge capacity for beds, in general, but also in particular for intensive care unit beds.

“I think what turned out is that [the governments] underestimated, in my view, the speed of how this increase came. Because, I mean, you know, it’s a different situation if you have to look for an increased capacity of beds within two weeks or within two days.”

Ammon believes that when the inevitable inquiries look into the twists and turns of the crisis, the return of holidaymakers from Alpine skiing breaks in the first week of March will be seen as a pivotal moment in the spread of Covid-19 into Europe.

“Because at that time we saw that new cases all over Europe [and] actually [they] had been in the skiing places in the Alps, in Italy, Austria. I mean this is a crowded place, the ski resorts, and then you have these cabins that you go up the mountain and these are really crammed. Yeah, it’s just perfect for such a virus. I mean I am pretty sure that this contributed to the wide spread in Europe.”

Lockdowns followed – a theoretical possibility in the pandemic planning that few believed was feasible. “I remember when China put the lockdown to Wuhan, people told me, ‘Look this wouldn’t be possible in Europe.’ Hmm.”

Now the lockdowns were straining the public’s tolerance, she said, but questioned whether they still came in too late and whether swifter action could have saved more lives. “I believe if we would have put in these measures earlier, it might have been possible, but … these measures are so stark, I mean they are so out of our experience that it, I think it needed … unfortunately the situation in northern Italy to make everybody clear that it is necessary.”

Ammon now believes the battle with coronavirus will be a long haul. “I don’t know whether it’s forever but I don’t think it will go away very quickly. It seems to be very well adapted to humans.”

She is yet to book a summer holiday and warns those craving a break away to prepare for some disappointment. “What we are saying is that they should be prepared that even if there are some holidays and they go somewhere, it will not be comparable to what they had last year. At this stage we cannot say you can go out there, wash your hands and everything is fine. You have to keep your distance. These measures have to be in place.”

But despite the privations of recent months, Ammon expresses little sympathy for the argument put forward by some, including the former supreme court judge Jonathan Sumption that merely shielding the elderly would have been sufficient.

“People who are perfectly healthy are also getting severe illness and they die. Knowing what we have seen in Europe with approximately 10% of the population [infected] I think there is for me not an option to let this go. If the the other 90% would have come as well, I think we don’t want to think of this.”
 

Richard

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Re. post about CA schools not being able to re-open without Federal Funds, presume this argument applies to all States in the US. So in effect every State will have to pay extra taxes to the Federal Government in order to provide the extra funds for themselves.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Why we might not get a coronavirus vaccine

Politicians have become more cautious about immunisation prospects. They are right to be

Ian Sample Science editor
Fri 22 May 2020 06.23 EDT | Last modified on Fri 22 May 2020 20.10 EDT

It would be hard to overstate the importance of developing a vaccine to Sars-CoV-2 – it’s seen as the fast track to a return to normal life. That’s why the health secretary, Matt Hancock, said the UK was “throwing everything at it”.

But while trials have been launched and manufacturing deals already signed – Oxford University is now recruiting 10,000 volunteers for the next phase of its research – ministers and their advisers have become noticeably more cautious in recent days.

This is why.

Why might a vaccine fail?

Earlier this week, England’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam said the words nobody wanted to hear: “We can’t be sure we will get a vaccine.”

But he was right to be circumspect.

Vaccines are simple in principle but complex in practice. The ideal vaccine protects against infection, prevents its spread, and does so safely. But none of this is easily achieved, as vaccine timelines show.

More than 30 years after scientists isolated HIV, the virus that causes Aids, we have no vaccine. The dengue fever virus was identified in 1943, but the first vaccine was approved only last year, and even then amid concerns it made the infection worse in some people. The fastest vaccine ever developed was for mumps. It took four years.

Scientists have worked on coronavirus vaccines before, so are not starting from scratch. Two coronaviruses have caused lethal outbreaks before, namely Sars and Mers, and vaccine research went ahead for both. But none have been licensed, partly because Sars fizzled out and Mers is regional to the Middle East. The lessons learned will help scientists create a vaccine for Sars-CoV-2, but there is still an awful lot to learn about the virus.

A chief concern is that coronaviruses do not tend to trigger long-lasting immunity. About a quarter of common colds are caused by human coronaviruses, but the immune response fades so rapidly that people can become reinfected the next year.

Researchers at Oxford University recently analysed blood from recovered Covid-19 patients and found that levels of IgG antibodies – those responsible for longer-lasting immunity – rose steeply in the first month of infection but then began to fall again.

Last week, scientists at Rockefeller University in New York found that most people who recovered from Covid-19 without going into hospital did not make many killer antibodies against the virus.

“That’s what is particularly challenging,” says Stanley Perlman, a veteran coronavirus researcher at the University of Iowa. “If the natural infection doesn’t give you that much immunity except when it’s a severe infection, what will a vaccine do? It could be better, but we don’t know.” If a vaccine only protects for a year, the virus will be with us for some time.

The genetic stability of the virus matters too. Some viruses, such as influenza, mutate so rapidly that vaccine developers have to release new formulations each year. The rapid evolution of HIV is a major reason we have no vaccine for the disease.

So far, the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus seems fairly stable, but it is acquiring mutations, as all viruses do. Some genetic changes have been spotted in the virus’s protein “spikes” which are the basis of most vaccines. If the spike protein mutates too much, the antibodies produced by a vaccine will effectively be out of date and might not bind the virus effectively enough to prevent infection.

Martin Hibberd, professor of emerging infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, who helped identify some of the virus’s mutations, called them “an early warning”.

Another challenge: making any vaccine safe

In the rush to develop a vaccine – there are now more than 100 in development – safety must remain a priority. Unlike experimental drugs for the severely ill, the vaccine will be given to potentially billions of generally healthy people.

This means scientists will have to check extremely carefully for signs of dangerous side-effects. During the search for a Sars vaccine in 2004, scientists found that one candidate caused hepatitis in ferrets. Another serious concern is “antibody-induced enhancement” where the antibodies produced by a vaccine actually make future infections worse. The effect caused serious lung damage in animals given experimental vaccines for both Sars and Mers.

John McCauley, director of the Worldwide Influenza Centre at the Francis Crick Institute, says it takes time to understand the particular challenges each vaccine throws up. “You don’t know the difficulties, the specific difficulties, that every vaccine will give you,” he says. “And we haven’t got experience in handling this virus or the components of the virus.”

We should ‘end up with something’ … but what does that mean?

When the prime minister, Boris Johnson, told a No 10 press briefing that a vaccine was “by no means guaranteed”, his chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, agreed, but added: “I’d be surprised if we didn’t end up with something.” Many scientists share that view.

In all likelihood, a coronavirus vaccine will not be 100% effective.

Those in development draw on at least eight different approaches, from weakened and inactivated viruses to technologies that smuggle genetic code into the recipient’s cells, which then churn out spike proteins for the immune system to make antibodies against.

Ideally, a vaccine will generate persistent, high levels of antibodies to wipe out the virus and also “T” cells to destroy infected cells. But each vaccine is different and today no one knows what kind of immune response is good enough.

“We don’t even know if a vaccine can produce an immune response which would protect against future infection,” says David Heymann, who led the response of the World Health Organization (WHO) to the Sars epidemic.

Early results from two frontrunner vaccines suggest they might have some use.

The US biotech firm Moderna reported antibody levels similar to those found in recovered patients in 25 people who received its vaccine.

Another vaccine from Oxford University did not stop monkeys contracting the virus, but did appear to prevent pneumonia, a major cause of death in coronavirus patients.

If humans react the same way, vaccinated people would still spread the virus, but be less likely to die from it.

How well a vaccine works determines how it is used. Armed with a highly effective vaccine that protects for several years, countries could aim for herd immunity by protecting at least two-thirds of the population.

Coronavirus patients pass the virus on to three others, on average, but if two or more are immune, the outbreak will fizzle out. That is the best-case scenario.

More likely is we will end up with a vaccine, or a number of vaccines, that are only partially effective.

Vaccines that contain weakened strains of virus can be dangerous for older people, but might be given to younger people with more robust immune systems to reduce the spread of infection.

Meanwhile, older people might get vaccines that simple prevent infections progressing to life-threatening pneumonia. “If you don’t have the ability to induce immunity, you’ve got to develop a strategy for reducing serious outcomes of infection,” says McCauley.

But partially effective vaccines have their own problems: a vaccine that doesn’t stop the virus replicating can encourage resistant strains to evolve, making the vaccine redundant.

So, is the virus here to stay?

The simple answer is: yes.

Hopes for eliminating the virus start with a vaccine but do not end there. “If and when we have a vaccine, what you get is not rainbows and unicorns,” says Larry Brilliant, CEO of Pandefense Advisory, who led the WHO’s smallpox eradication programme. “If we are forced to choose a vaccine that gives only one year of protection, then we are doomed to have Covid become endemic, an infection that is always with us.”

The virus will still be tough to conquer with a vaccine that lasts for years.

“It will be harder to get rid of Covid than smallpox,” says Brilliant. With smallpox it was at least clear who was infected, whereas people with coronavirus can spread it without knowing. A thornier problem is that as long as the infection rages in one country, all other nations are at risk.

As David Salisbury, the former director of immunisation at the Department of Health, told a Chatham House webinar recently: “Unless we have a vaccine available in unbelievable quantities that could be administered extraordinarily quickly in all communities in the world we will have gaps in our defences that the virus can continue to circulate in.”

Or as Brilliant puts it, the virus will “ping-pong back and forth in time and geography”.

One proposal from Gavi, the vaccine alliance, is to boost the availability of vaccines around the world through an “advance market commitment”. And Brilliant believes some kind of global agreement must be hammered out now. “We should be demanding, now, a global conference on what we’re going to do when we get a vaccine, or if we don’t,” he says.

“If the process of getting a vaccine, testing it, proving it, manufacturing it, planning for its delivery, and building a vaccine programme all over the world, if that’s going to take as long as we think, then let’s ****ing start planning it now.”

How will we live with the virus?

People will have to adapt – and life will change. Heymann says we will have to get used to extensive monitoring for infections backed up by swift outbreak containment. People must play their part too, by maintaining handwashing, physical distancing and avoiding gatherings, particularly in enclosed spaces. Repurposed drugs are faster to test than vaccines, so we may have an antiviral or an antibody treatment that works before a vaccine is available, he adds. Immediate treatment when symptoms come on could at least reduce the death rate.

Yuen Kwok-yung, a professor of infectious disease at the University of Hong Kong, has advised his government that all social distancing can be relaxed – but only if people wear masks in enclosed spaces such as on trains and at work, and that no food or drink are consumed at concerts and cinemas.

At restaurants, tables will have to be shielded from each other and serving staff will follow strict rules to prevent spreading the virus. “In our Hong Kong perspective, the diligent and correct use of reusable masks is the most important measure,” he says.

Sarita Jane Robinson, a psychologist who studies responses to threats at the University of Central Lancashire, says people are still adapting to the “new normal” and that without more interventions – such as fines for not wearing face masks – “we could see people drifting back to old behaviours”.

We might become blase about Covid-19 deaths when life resumes and the media move on, but the seriousness of the illness will make it harder to ignore, she says.

One last possibility could save a lot of trouble. Some scientists wonder whether the common cold coronaviruses crossed into humans in the distant past and caused similar illness before settling down. “If the virus doesn’t change there’s no reason to think that miraculously in five years’ time it won’t still cause pneumonia,” says Perlman. “But that’s the hope: that we end up with a much more mild disease and you only get a bad cold from it.”

Heymann says it is too soon to know how the pandemic will pan out. “We don’t understand the destiny of this virus,” he says. “Will it continue to circulate after its first pandemic? Or will it, like some other pandemic viruses, disappear or become less virulent? That we do not know.”
less virulent? That we do not know.”
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Only 37% of New Yorkers who think they've had coronavirus have antibodies to prove it, testing of more than 1,300 city residents suggests
By Natalie Rahhal
Published: 19:37 EDT, 20 May 2020 | Updated: 20:04 EDT, 20 May 2020

  • Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York tested 1,343 people for coronavirus antibodies
  • More than half of the participants only suspected they had had the virus, but hadn't been diagnosed with a swab test
  • Only 37 percent of those people had developed antibodies, suggesting the other 63 percent had not in fact been infected
Many people across the US who had symptoms akin to those of a common cold - cough, fever, runny nose - think they've had coronavirus.

But most probably haven't, research from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mt Sinai in New York city suggests.

Scientists there recruited more than 1,300 people from city who'd either tested positive for coronavirus or suspected they'd had it, but hadn't been tested.

Of 719 people who thought they'd had it, 37 percent tested negative positive [corrected an obvious typo - see follow up post] for both the virus and antibodies they might have produced had they previously been infected.

'That does imply that likely many of the people who suspect that they had this probably didn't have it,' study co-author Dr Ania Wajnberg.

And assuming that they have had coronavirus and thus developed antibodies that might protect them against reinfection - an immunity that is still uncertain - might put people at greater risk of foregoing social distancing and exposing themselves to the virus in the first place.

As of Wednesday, more than 1.57 million Americans have tested positive for coronavirus.

That means that that less than 0.5 percent of the US population has had coronavirus.

Yet, a third of Americans think they may have had it, suggests a recent Business Insider poll.

Estimates from most epidemiological models and antibody testing initiatives suggest the real number of infections falls somewhere in the gaping space between those two figures.

So far in New York City - the pandemic's epicenter - about one in five people tested have antibodies against coronavirus, indicating they've been infected already.

University of Southern California's latest antibody testing study suggests that somewhere between 2.5 and seven percent of Angelinos have caught coronavirus.

In Boston, 10 percent of residents tested for antibodies had them, as did 4.4 percent of people in France.

US officials have even considered using antibody testing as the basis of 'immunity passports,' and the UK and Germany have made moves to implement the documentation showing that people have tested positive for antibodies against the virus and may be immune to reinfection to help reopen societies.

At the moment, even if someone does test positive for antibodies, we don't yet know what level of protection that provides, or how long it might last.

And people resuming normal life on the basis of the assumption that they've had coronavirus and have antibodies that will protect them (also an unproven assumption) is even more dangerous.

For their antibody testing study, the Mt Sinai team recruited 1,343 people.

Of those, 624 had been diagnosed with coronavirus, confirmed by gold standard PCR swab tests.

The other 719 suspected they had coronavirus because they'd had symptoms, had been living with someone with a confirmed diagnosis, were told by a doctor they had the virus or were healthcare workers.

Most did not have antibodies to suggest they'd been infected.

Only 36 percent developed IgG antibodies - the kind that confers more lasting immunity - to SARS-CoV-1, which causes COVID-19, and 37 percent were negative for both antibodies and current infection.

'This finding suggests that a majority of participants suspected of having Covid-19 actually were not infected with SARS-CoV-2,' the study authors wrote.

'However, it may also include a false negative rate of our assay (which has a 92 percent sensitivity) or insufficient time for participants to mount an IgG antibody response.'

Encouragingly, nearly everyone who was diagnosed with a coronavirus did in fact develop antibodies, suggesting most people will gain some degree of protection after recovery.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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More on this study:

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Many New Yorkers who suspected they had COVID-19 did not, study finds
By MEGAN CHRISTIE and DR. MARK ABDELMALEK, ABC News
May 20, 2020


(NEW YORK) — “I think I had it.” You’ve likely heard someone say it, or perhaps you’ve been muttering it yourself.

It seems these months of quarantine-life and a growing list of COVID-19 symptoms are leading many to think back to that stubborn cold from back in February or that sudden stomach bug that hit in March and wonder if it really was the coronavirus.

Call it “I-think-I-had-it-itis.”

But a hospital study in New York City has found that out of hundreds of New Yorkers who thought they potentially had COVID-19 in the last three months but never received a confirmed clinical diagnosis, only 37% tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies, a sign the body was previously likely infected and fought the virus.

“That does imply that likely many of the people who suspect that they had this probably didn’t have it,” said Dr. Ania Wajnberg, one of the authors of the Mount Sinai study and an associate professor of medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine. “You can’t assume that you had it just because you didn’t feel well a few months ago.”

In comparison, 99% of New Yorkers tested by Mount Sinai who had a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis did have antibodies, the cornerstone of the body’s immune response to a virus, the researchers reported.

Dr. John Brownstein, an epidemiologist at Boston Children’s Hospital and an ABC News contributor, said he, too, had a bit of “I-think-I-had-it-itis.”

“As someone who actually was convinced that they had been infected and then tested negative, it’s clear that many of us have been in the same boat,” he said. “What we need to remember is that COVID-19 was circulating at the same time as a number of respiratory viruses likely creating confusion on the origin of infection.”

Brownstein said the new data suggests that the U.S. could be “a ways off [from] herd immunity and further demonstrates the need of testing capacity.”

The findings were among the first to come out of Mount Sinai’s monumental antibody testing program, which is now performing over 3,000 tests a day, tallying over 25,000 people so far. The study, which was published earlier this month and has not been peer-reviewed, looked at the initial 1,343 people tested in the program, including those who had previously confirmed coronavirus infections and those who suspected, or were told by their doctors, that they likely did but were not tested.

The broader aim of the antibody program is to identify donors for convalescent plasma, an experimental treatment sometimes used for seriously ill hospitalized COVID-19 patients.

“We’ve given convalescent plasma to hundreds of patients at the Mount Sinai health system, and that’s been a good thing to be part of,” Wajnberg said. “And it’s also helping us learn about potential immunity.”

Researchers at Mount Sinai were among the first in the U.S. to develop an antibody test and received emergency use authorization (EUA) from the Food and Drug Administration in April. There are currently 13 such tests with EUA in the U.S.
This week, Mount Sinai announced it is beginning to commercially produce its antibody test with a goal of testing more than 10 million patients per month by July.

Antibody tests are distinct from what are called diagnostic coronavirus tests, which look for live virus currently infecting the body. The Mount Sinai study said the results suggest “the optimal time frame for widespread antibody testing is at least three to four weeks after symptom onset and at least two weeks after symptom resolution.”

Antibody tests not only allow doctors to understand who has antibodies, but can also help reveal how strongly a person responded to the virus. And, depending on the kind of antibody found, these tests can signal whether or not a person may have some immune protection to future infection.

The kind of antibodies that experts are hoping to find are called neutralizing antibodies – those that have the power to squash the coronavirus. But because the current coronavirus circulating is new, scientists can’t yet say with certainty that having antibodies means someone is immune to re-infection.

“We are hopeful that like most respiratory viruses, the presence of antibodies in your system is going to be protective for some time,” Wajnberg added. “However, since we haven’t had a lot of time to actually monitor this and do the testing that we’ve done for other viruses, we don’t know for sure yet. So there’s still work that needs to be done before people with antibodies can sort of run back into the world and assume that they’re going to be fine.”
 

naegling62

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The way I look at it is the virus is real, it's much worse than the seasonal flu and it has the potential to mutate. Masks do make a difference, as countries in Asia that have a majority of their population wearing them fared better in the outbreak.

After the virus was released by the Chinese- accidentally or on purpose - it took very little time for both sides to use it politically to further their respective aims. They may not have been in on the release, but they certainly weren't going to let an opportunity like this pass them by. They don't care about saving lives, that's just the cover they use for being able to push their agenda. One thing this virus proves is there are a lot of evil people in this world and a lot of them are in positions of power.

But the fact that most of the virus response is agenda driven and politically motivated does not take away the fact that the virus exists. It does and it's killing people. Saying that, in a normal, sane world, would not appear to be a political statement but somehow in this insane world we now live in - it is. Go figure...

I agree we need to open the country back up, but it needs to be done with the general understanding that there is still a virus out there. It didn't go away. The curve was momentarily flattened, probably because everyone stayed home, but there's no guarantee the cases won't rise again. People are somehow equating the opening back up with the notion that the virus is gone. It's not but they're saying "We're open and we're going about our business. Screw social distancing, screw masks, we did that and we're DONE. Everyone we know is fine and it's all b.s." That is a recipe for disaster. If people really wanted to get out country opened again, they would do it right. They would do their best to make sure there wasn't a second wave in a few months, they'd do their best to make the reopening work, not guarantee it's failure. But out of some sort of stubbornness and mistaken belief that this is what 'liberty' is people are acting against what they say they want - an open and recovered economy. Newsflash: it's not going to stay open and recovered very long if the virus makes a resurgence. Which their 'screw social distancing' - 'screw masks' - behavior is basically guaranteeing.

If after Chernobyl happened the residents protested and demanded that they be allowed to move back into their homes because it was all a conspiracy and everything looked the same, the smoke had cleared, and anyone telling them their lives were in danger was just making it up to steal their property, and keep them from their jobs, that their friends moved back in a few days ago and all of them are fine, which proves it's all lies - we'd look at them as insane. And people who valued life would try to dissuade them from moving back to the area. They'd tell them that radiation sickness might not show up tomorrow, it might take a few weeks, or months or years. That living on top of Chernobyl without PPE is deadly. And the response would be that you must be in on the conspiracy and don't value liberty the way they do, that you're just a sheeple who is too easily duped. Eventually, even the most pro-life person would have to give up. They'd have to say to those people - you are adults, we've tried to tell you it's not safe, you don't believe it, and you're right, it is your property and it is your job and no one should tell you how to live your life. We're not a nanny state, you should be allowed to make your own decisions. So go with God and good luck.

That's about how I feel right now. ETA: of course, radiation poisoning isn't contagious so in that scenario it would only be their own lives they're risking, and they wouldn't be Typhoid Mary's who could be spreading the disease to others. So the analogy is faulty. But it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

HD
And that is a sticky on the whole current situation. Well thought out and exactly what is going on now.
 

john70

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A comparison of the number of deaths from all causes in the U.S. during the first 17 weeks of 2020 reveals a higher mortality than for the same period in any of the previous five years. While the death count was comparable to previous years in the first two months of 2020, it increased rapidly in March and April. Comparisons of mortality are highly sensitive to how the data are gathered and presented, therefore any claims based on the data must always be presented in the appropriate context. Since its outbreak in the U.S., COVID-19 has claimed more lives than diabetes, suicide, or stroke.


MY TAKE AWAY IS

GO BACK 6 OR 20 YEARS AND EVERYTHING IS CLOSE

OR MAYBE HIGHER
 
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Ogre

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To the family and friends of the 97,747 individuals that have died, it is important. Just ask them.
C'mon, Texican. Surely you're smart enough to know that I didn't mean the deaths were meaningless. Simply the comparison of ranking countries by which one has the most cases. Like when the MSM was crying that the US had more deaths than Italy.
 

john70

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"Some coronavirus patients have tested positive again for the virus up to 82 days after becoming infected. Almost all of the cases for which blood tests were taken had antibodies against the virus."

THEY TALK OF TESTING THE SAME PERSON 10 TIMES

IS EACH " POSITIVE" COUNTED AGAIN AND AGAIN

IS THE TRUE POSITIVE COUNT ONLY 10 OR 20 PER CENT OF WHAT WE ARE TOLD
 

john70

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Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide per one million population as of May 23, 2020, by country
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Confirmed deaths (absolute)Population (in millions)Deaths per million
Belgium9,21211.42806.51
Spain28,62846.72612.71
United Kingdom36,39366.49547.35
Italy32,61660.43539.72
France28,18066.99420.68
Sweden3,92510.18385.44
Netherlands5,78817.23335.91
Ireland1,5924.85328.01
United States95,868327.17293.02
Switzerland1,9038.52223.45
Ecuador3,05617.08178.88
Canada6,36037.06171.62
Portugal1,28910.28125.37

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Based on 2018 population figures; This table shows worldwide countries with a population of one million or more. 33 countries with a smaller population can be found under the "Details" tab.
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The numbers shown here are not an automated update but a manual one. Numbers can change fast, sometimes within minutes, after they show on this platform. It's Statista's policy to update these numbers at least once per day, but we strive to do this more frequently than that. This includes updates on Saturday and Sunday. Delays are, however, possible.

For this statistic, numbers reported by Johns Hopkins University have been compared with the latest available population numbers. The population numbers in the table are rough indicates, the calculation used more precise numbers. Spain's population, for example, is 46.72 in the table but was 46.723749 in the calculation. Hence that the "deaths per million" might differ.

The source originally put numbers together for some countries and their dependencies. Denmark included, for example, numbers for Denmark, Greenland and the Faroe Islands, whereas the Netherlands included numbers for Curacao, Aruba and the Dutch part of Saint Martin. The United States had similar issues with Guam, Puerto Rico, the (U.S.) Virgin Islands and the Northern Mariana Islands. To avoid confusion, these numbers have been separated: the numbers for the United Kingdom, France, the Netherlands and Denmark only concern the "main" country. The number for the United States only concerns the 50 states.

For consistency, countries with a smaller population (and a potentially much higher impact of coronavirus deaths) were not included in the table. These countries were as follows:

  • San Marino, 41 deaths, roughly 1,214 per million;
  • Andorra, 51 deaths, 662 per million;
  • Sint Maarten (Dutch part), 15 deaths, 369 per million;
  • Isle of Man, 24 deaths, 285 per million;
  • Channel Islands, 45 deaths, 264 per million;
  • Luxembourg, 109 deaths, 179 per million;
  • Bermuda, 9 deaths, 141 per million;
  • Monaco, 4 deaths, 103 per million;
  • St Martin (French part), 3 deaths, 81 per million;
  • Virgin Islands (U.S.), 6 deaths, 56 per million;
  • Sao Tome and Principe, 8 deaths, 38 per million;
  • Northern Mariana Islands, 2 deaths, 35 per million;
  • British Virgin Islands, 1 death, 34 per million;
  • Antigua and Barbuda, 3 deaths, 31 per million;
  • Guam, 5 deaths, 30 per million;
  • The Bahamas, 11 deaths, 29 per million;
  • Aruba, 3 deaths, 28 per million;
  • Iceland, 10 deaths, 28 per million;
  • Turks and Caicos Islands, 1 death, 27 per million;
  • Liechtenstein, 1 death, 26 per million;
  • Barbados, 7 deaths, 24 per million;
  • Cayman Islands, 1 death, 16 per million;
  • Montenegro, 9 deaths, 15 per million;
  • Guyana, 10 deaths, 13 per million;
  • Malta, 6 deaths, 12 per million;
  • Djibouti, 10 deaths, 10 per million;
  • Maldives, 4 deaths, 8 per million;
  • Curacao, 1 death, 6 per million;
  • Cabo Verde, 3 deaths, 6 per million;
  • Belize, 2 deaths, 5 per million;
  • Brunei, 1 death, 2 per million;
  • Suriname, 1 death, 2 per million;
  • Comoros, 1 death, 1 per million;
For some countries no calculation could be done. These were Burma (6 deaths), French Guiana (1 death), Guadeloupe (12 deaths), Mayotte (19 deaths), Montserrat (1 death), Reunion (1 death) and Taiwan (7 deaths).

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COVID-19 death rate vs. Population density, May 23, 2020

The death rate is the number of total confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 per million people.
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Mixin

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Both of these articles are really long so I'm only going to post them in part. This first one has links to the actual reports for Cardinal, Westside and Brooke Knoll. The second article has listed every LTCF that they have found info on. I'm only posting those in Hamilton and Hendricks co.

More than a dozen Indiana nursing homes cited with infection control deficiencies during pandemic
by: Kelly Reinke
Posted: May 21, 2020 / 08:27 PM EDT / Updated: May 21, 2020 / 09:04 PM EDT

INDIANA — As of Wednesday, 15 nursing homes in Indiana were cited with infection control deficiencies since late March. The Indiana State Department of Health sent enforcement notices to each of these facilities. All of them must submit an acceptable plan of correction for the deficiencies.

More than 120 infection control surveys have been conducted in Indiana, according to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). The remainder of the surveys found that facilities were in compliance with the infection control requirements.

On March 20, CMS announced a suspension of routine inspections, and an exclusive focus on immediate jeopardy situations and infection control inspections.

The Division of Long Term Care of ISDH conducted these surveys to determine if the facilities were in compliance with federal requirements related to the complaint and implementing proper infection prevention and control practices to prevent the development and transmission of COVID-19.

As of Wednesday, ISDH found these facilities were not in substantial compliance:

Cardinal Nursing and Rehabilitation Center
Golden Living Center-Valparaiso
Washington Nursing Center
Golden Living Center-Richmond
Majestic Care of Avon (Hendricks Co.)
Rawlins House Health & Living Community
Golden Living Center-Merrillville
Exceptional Living Center of Brazil
Westside Retirement Village
Signature Healthcare of Newburgh
Good Samaritan Home Health Center and Residential
Aperion Care Marion
Sprenger Health Care of Mishawaka
Brooke Knoll Village (Hendricks Co.)
Symphony of Crown Point

The longest survey report came from Cardinal Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in South Bend. As of May 21, 17 people have died at this campus. The survey completed on April 19 found the facility failed to follow CDC guidance during a pandemic and implement an infection control program for timely and accurate assessment of signs and symptoms of COVID-19. Surveyors also found multiple residents were exhibiting symptoms consistent with COVID-19 but were not monitored and/or isolated.

During an interview with surveyors, the Executive Director of Operations at a local hospital indicated he contacted the facility on April 11 due to concern of a possible COVID-19 outbreak at the facility.

“He indicated the concern was brought to his attention after one patient who had arrived in the local emergency room had to be immediately intubated and another had died en route, and both had tested positive for COVID-19. He indicated the facility “seemed shocked” by the diagnosis of COVID-19 in these residents and reported to him that there were no residents that were symptomatic in the facility,” said the survey report.

It also said the Executive Director of Operations at the local hospital indicated he had provided the facility with 60 swabs to complete testing and had recommended to the facility that they swab all residents on all floors. According to the survey report, the Executive Director of the nursing home said she had not followed through with the recommendation of testing all residents in the facility. “She indicated there was not enough manpower to test the residents, and there was no place to move them to if they were positive,” said the report.

American Senior Communities, the company that manages this facility, said Cardinal received a deficiency-free annual licensure and recertification survey in April 2019 and has had at least twice weekly visits from the ISDH surveyor in recent weeks with no further findings. “We are aggressively and formally disputing the findings in the state’s April 19 report from their visit,” according to a statement sent to FOX59.

State surveyors also found Westside Retirement Village in Indianapolis was not following federal requirements. Their survey report said the facility did not ensure residents who were not showing symptoms of COVID-19 were not exposed to or roomed with residents who were positive for COVID-19. “Due to lack of available beds, they had to place a positive female (Resident C) into a room with a female dementia resident (Resident B) who was asymptomatic and had not been tested, and a positive male resident (Resident H) into a room with a male dementia resident (Resident K) who was asymptomatic and had not been tested,” said the report.

At least six people have died at Westside Retirement Village.

Just down the block, Brooke Knoll Village was also cited for an infection control deficiency. The survey report said four residents were exhibiting symptoms and were not isolated.

Surveys of some of the other dozen Indiana nursing homes that were cited found residents eating lunch together in a dining room and staff not wearing face masks properly.
More:
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List of COVID-19 deaths at long-term care facilities in central Indiana
Posted: Apr 23, 2020 / 11:29 AM EDT / Updated: May 22, 2020 / 10:42 AM EDT

INDIANAPOLIS – At the start of last year, the Indiana State Department of Health reported there were 551 nursing home communities in Indiana—home to 38,000 residents.

It appears the coronavirus has targeted this vulnerable population considering the ISDH reported there have been 732 COVID-19 deaths from over 120 facilities as of Monday. That’s 45 percent of coronavirus-related deaths statewide.

However, it’s unclear which facilities are impacted by the coronavirus because the state is not sharing that information.

FOX59 is making every effort to make sure Hoosiers are informed, so we compiled our own list of known COVID-19 cases at long-term care facilities. The list includes coronavirus deaths confirmed either by local health officials, facilities, or both. This information in this list is the result of our own research, and it does not include all cases because, as we stated, the state is not sharing that information.
[snip]
Hamilton County/Fishers (55)
15 – Carmel Health & Living – Carmel – CarDon & Associates
7 – Hamilton Trace – Fishers – CarDon & Associates/
7 – The Stratford – Carmel
6 – Harbour Manor – Noblesville – CarDon & Associates
5 – The Hearth at Windermere – Fishers – Capital Senior Living
5 – Brookdale Carmel – Carmel – Brookdale Senior Living
4 – Harbour Manor – Noblesville – CarDon & Associates
2 – Grand Brook Memory Care – Fishers – Grand Brook Memory Care
2 – Heritage Woods – Noblesville – Gardant Management Solutions
1 – Maple Park – Westfield – American Senior Communities
1 – Wellbrooke of Carmel – Carmel

Hendricks County (45)
17 – Brownsburg Meadows Rehab – Brownsburg – American Senior Communities
8 – Cumberland Trace – Plainfield – CarDon & Associates
8 – Countryside Meadows – Avon – American Senior Communities
6 – Brownsburg Meadows Assisted Living – Brownsburg – American Senior Communities
3 – Majestic Care of Avon – Avon – Majestic Care
2 – Brooke Knoll Village – Avon
1 – Brownsburg Health Care Center – Brownsburg

 

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A comparison of the number of deaths from all causes in the U.S. during the first 17 weeks of 2020 reveals a higher mortality than for the same period in any of the previous five years. While the death count was comparable to previous years in the first two months of 2020, it increased rapidly in March and April. Comparisons of mortality are highly sensitive to how the data are gathered and presented, therefore any claims based on the data must always be presented in the appropriate context. Since its outbreak in the U.S., COVID-19 has claimed more lives than diabetes, suicide, or stroke.


MY TAKE AWAY IS

GO BACK 6 OR 20 YEARS AND EVERYTHING IS CLOSE

OR MAYBE HIGHER
Oh c'mon! The increased death rate is caused by lock-down suicides. There is a thread on this very forum claiming that.
 

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A comparison of the number of deaths from all causes in the U.S. during the first 17 weeks of 2020 reveals a higher mortality than for the same period in any of the previous five years. While the death count was comparable to previous years in the first two months of 2020, it increased rapidly in March and April. Comparisons of mortality are highly sensitive to how the data are gathered and presented, therefore any claims based on the data must always be presented in the appropriate context. Since its outbreak in the U.S., COVID-19 has claimed more lives than diabetes, suicide, or stroke.


MY TAKE AWAY IS

GO BACK 6 OR 20 YEARS AND EVERYTHING IS CLOSE

OR MAYBE HIGHER

We'll know more when the yearly totals are announced. We already know a lot of COVID deaths occurred in nursing homes among people who already had other serious health issues. The virus no doubt sped up the deaths of some of those patients but we don't know yet how many of them would have died anyway within the next 6 months from their other health issues. Yearly totals should show that.
 

Mixin

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The long-term care numbers leave me a bit shocked. I went through the article I posted a bit upstream and compared their deaths to the total county deaths. In Hendricks Co, I've never seen one public comment about the LTC deaths.

The first number is LTC deaths, the county, the county total deaths.

32 Allen = 65
1 Bartholomew = 33
33 Boone = 35
3 Clark = 38
15 Daviess = 16
9 Decatur = 31
15 Delaware = 26
16 Elkhart = 27
10 Floyd = 38
7 Grant = 20
19 Green = 22
55 Hamilton = 91
16 Hancock = 27
45 Hendricks = 63
2 Henry = 5
6 Howard = 17
83 Johnson = 102
1 Kosciusko = 1
18 Lawrence = 21
11 Lake = 166
41 Madison = 57
116 Marion = 528
14 Montgomery = 14
11 Morgan = 22
10 Noble = 20
1 Porter = 19
12 Shelby = 21
22 Warrick = 26
1 Wayne = 5
7 White = 8
 

Richard

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Just a note about the definition of COV19 deaths in the UK according to the NHS site.

Total number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths
36,675
Deaths of people who have had a positive test result confirmed by a Public Health or NHS laboratory

So presumably that counts everyone who died with or of COVID19.


Not sure how deaths are counted elsewhere.
 
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Troke

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4) Outside New York, this is barely worse than bad flu seasons:

I have read that the AMAZON working staff is up to 10 deaths now due to Corona I assume then that they ran 6-8 deaths during the flu season or all their deaths are in NY State. Anybody know?
 

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War Room: Pandemic Ep 191
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Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic

Steve Bannon, Jack Maxey, Jason Miller, and Raheem Kassam discuss the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as the team continues to deconstruct Joe Biden's relationship with the Chinese Communist Party. Calling in is Frank Gaffney to discuss how the CCP needs to be rooted out of American capital markets. Keep on top of developments:

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War Room Pandemic Ep 192
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Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic

Steve Bannon, Jack Maxey, Jason Miller, and Raheem Kassam discuss the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as the team continues to deconstruct Joe Biden's relationship with the Chinese Communist Party. Calling in is Frank Gaffney to discuss how the CCP needs to be rooted out of American capital markets.
 

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33:10 min
23rd May Updates
•May 23, 2020

Dr. John Campbell
COVID – 19, Saturday 23rd May New Zealand https://covid19map.co.nz 1 days with no new cases 28 active 1504 total 1455 recovered 21 deaths (1.39%) 1 in hospital 255,850 tested

UK Cases, 255,544 Deaths, 34,716 ONS spread of the virus in the community 14,500 people in 7,054 households tested 4th - 17th May Increasing to 300,000 in months 0.25 of people currently infected in the community 66m population = 165,000 current infections No evidence in the proportion of positive tests in different age categories Male / female positive tests same No differences in infected people between patient facing and non-patient facing roles

About 9,000 new infections per day Covid-19 symptom tracker today, 9,900 new cases in England Track and trace capacity 10,000 per day Contain local outbreaks New 20-minute test now being used Dr. Mourant Testing at the point of care Testing direct from swab Fully portable machine Comparable with PCR

United States Cases, 1,601,434 Dearth 96,007 Nearly everywhere easing restrictions Alabama Reopening began 10 days ago 14,000 cases Montgomery, hospitals and ITUs full Stephen Reed, if you need an ITU bed you are in trouble Upcoming hotspots Dallas Houston Tennessee Florida Florida is NOT getting it right. Many people are back to normal. Sitting together at restaurants and bars! Way too soon! Wife and I wear masks, but many don't. We just stay away from people as much as possible. https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-...
University of Washington Screening is more effective in care homes than clinical presentation, asymptomatic carriers Ford plant visit Michigan Houses of worship essential

Poland Cases, 20,838 Deaths, 990 Antibody test down to 20 euros Italy Cases, 228,658 Deaths, 32616 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...

Milan metropolitan area Seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in healthy asymptomatic adults Cross-sectional study during the outbreak Presence of anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgM/IgG antibodies Blood center at a leading COVID-19 referral center Random sample of blood donors, February 24th to April 8th, 2020, n=789 The test had a 98.3% specificity and 100% sensitivity Seroprevalence was 4.6% rising to 7.1%, finishing at 10.8% of healthy adults Conclusions: SARS-CoV-2 infection was already circulating in Milan at the outbreak start

Sweden Cases, 32,809 Deaths, 3,926 Not very locked down Social distancing Personal responsibility Everyone does what they want

Brazil Cases, 330,890 Deaths, 21,048 Sao Paulo Beach city closed, but people still going ITU close to capacity

Afghanistan Cases, 9,998 Deaths, 216 Lockdown but not at all strict Some Mosques packed Qatar Imposes mandatory masks on pain of prison https://news.yahoo.com/qatar-imposes-... Yemen Health system has effectively collapsed A COVID pandemic with no health care Indonesia Cases, 21,745 Deaths, 1,351 Jakarta Shops keep opening, police struggling Paul, https://selfhelpchampion.com/post/618... https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/data/uv-i...
 

marsh

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vxOwplvXLs
6:01 min'
Former surgeon general says "any path to reopening" includes coronavirus testing
•May 23, 2020

CBS This Morning
Former Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy joins "CBS This Morning: Saturday" to talk about the latest advancements in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic. He explains why testing is so critical to reopening, and the effects of loneliness and the lack of human connection people are experiencing under coronavirus lockdown.
 

Troke

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If they can't be opened with an absolute guarantee of safety for students...

Don't open.
Can't be done. There was a report circulating around that the ER's had seen a big drop in traffic from schools..broken arms, collar bones etc.

As for the Chinese Plague, you are demanding purity. That is not possible either.

So Home School is the way to go. Until Mommy's job comes back.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"Some coronavirus patients have tested positive again for the virus up to 82 days after becoming infected. Almost all of the cases for which blood tests were taken had antibodies against the virus."

THEY TALK OF TESTING THE SAME PERSON 10 TIMES

IS EACH " POSITIVE" COUNTED AGAIN AND AGAIN

IS THE TRUE POSITIVE COUNT ONLY 10 OR 20 PER CENT OF WHAT WE ARE TOLD
Then the case fatality rate is really much higher.

you can't have it both ways.
 

marsh

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The Remdesivir Study Is Finally Out: Drug Only Helped Those On Oxygen, Finds Mortality Too High For Standalone Treatment

Sat, 05/23/2020 - 12:11

Remember when the market soared on several days in April on the Facui-touted Remdesivir study which, according to StatNews and various other unofficial sources of rumors, was a smashing success only for the optimism to fizzle as many questions emerged, and as the Gilead drug quietly faded from the public's consciousness and was replaced by various coronavirus vaccine candidates such as those made by the greatly hyped Moderna (whose insiders just can't stop selling company stock).

Meanwhile, those who were waiting for the official version of Remdesivir's effectiveness had to do so until 6pm on a Friday before a long holiday, and for good reason...

... According to a pivotal study published in the New England Journal of Medicine late on Friday, Remdesivir, which was authorized to treat Covid-19 in a group of 1063 adults and children (split into two groups, one receiving placebo instead of remdesivir) who need i) supplemental oxygen, ii) a ventilator or iii) extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), only significantly helped those on supplemental oxygen.

Meanwhile, and explaining the 6pm release on a Friday, the study also found no marked benefit from remdesivir for those who were healthier and didn’t need oxygen or those who were sicker, requiring a ventilator or a heart-lung bypass machine.

The NEJM, almost apologetically, stated that "the lack of benefit seen in the other groups might have stemmed from a smaller number of patients in each group."

Still, as a result of the partial benefit for patients in the supplemental oxygen group, the study from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was evaluated early and led to the authorization of remdesivir before the full trial was completed.
Our findings highlight the need to identify Covid-19 cases and start antiviral treatment before the pulmonary disease progresses to require mechanical ventilation.
Some more details on the study, which was a "rank test of the time to recovery with remdesivir as compared with placebo, with stratification by disease severity":

The primary outcome measure was the time to recovery, defined as the first day, during the 28 days after enrollment, on which a patient satisfied categories 1, 2, or 3 on the eight-category ordinal scale. The categories are as follows:
  1. not hospitalized, no limitations of activities;
  2. not hospitalized, limitation of activities, home oxygen requirement, or both;
  3. hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen and no longer requiring ongoing medical care (used if hospitalization was extended for infection-control reasons);
  4. hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen but requiring ongoing medical care (Covid-19–related or other medical conditions);
  5. 5, hospitalized, requiring any supplemental oxygen;
  6. hospitalized, requiring noninvasive ventilation or use of high-flow oxygen devices;
  7. hospitalized, receiving invasive mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO); and
  8. death.
The results are summarized below, highlighting the only group that showed a statistically significant improvement in outcomes as a result of taking the drug vs placebo.



A visual representation of the outcomes is below; it shows that whereas there was a modest benefit only to patients who were receiving oxygen, the results were statistically insignificant vs placebo for patients not receiving oxygen, while in a surprising twist patients on high-flow oxygen or mechanical ventilator/ECMO did modestly better in the placebo group than those taking remdesivir. Also, the overall results showed a very modest, but not statistically significant improvement in the remdesivir group vs placebo (box A).


Another disappointment: the study found that overall "mortality was numerically lower in the remdesivir group than in the placebo group, but the difference was not significant", in other words the alleged "miracle drug" has largely the same effect as a placebo in terms of overall disease mortality.

The study authors also note that the "findings in our trial should be compared with those observed in a randomized trial from China in which 237 patients were enrolled (158 assigned to remdesivir and 79 to placebo).... That trial failed to complete full enrollment (owing to the end of the outbreak), had lower power than the present trial (owing to the smaller sample size and a 2:1 randomization), and was unable to demonstrate any statistically significant clinical benefits of remdesivir."

Finally, the study found that while mortality was modestly lower for the remdesivir arm, it was not significantly so, at 7.1% at 14 days on drug versus 11.9% on placebo.

In conclusion, while the "preliminary findings support the use of remdesivir for patients who are hospitalized with Covid-19 and require supplemental oxygen therapy" the study goes on to warn that "given high mortality despite the use of remdesivir, it is clear that treatment with an antiviral drug alone is not likely to be sufficient."

The study's recommendation:
Future strategies should evaluate antiviral agents in combination with other therapeutic approaches or combinations of antiviral agents to continue to improve patient outcomes in Covid-19.
So a generally disappointing outcome, one which would lead to a drop in the market. Nonsense: think of all the spin, and why this is in fact great news for stocks: Remdesivir may be a dud as a "silver bullet" to curing covid, leading to statistically significant improvement in only a very limited subset of infected patients and "high mortality" for those taking it, but at least the algos will have a whole lot of other "miracle drugs" to levitate them as optimism that the next remdesivir is just around the corner. In short: rinse, rumor, and repeat... and then save the bad news for 6pm on a Friday.

Oh, and for those asking about the "official" reason why the NE Journal of Medicine waited until just the right time to make sure nobody reads the results, here it is:

View: https://twitter.com/adamfeuerstein/status/1263979573693349896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1263979573693349896%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Ftechnology%2Fremdesivir-study-finally-out-drug-only-helped-those-oxygen-finds-mortality-too-high


The full study is available here.
 

marsh

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Hertz Files For Bankruptcy As Lockdowns Crush Rental Car Industry

Sat, 05/23/2020 - 09:32

As if 44,354 Robin Hood traders suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.


What one world war, one Great Depression and numerous oil price shocks couldn't do, the coronavirus did in less than three months and late on Friday, auto rental giant Hertz which was founded in 1918 when it set up shop with a dozen Ford Model Ts, quietly filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection struggling under a massive debt load after its business was brought to a grinding halt during the coronavirus pandemic and talks with creditors failed to result in much needed relief.

The company had a total of 568,000 vehicles and 12,400 corporate and franchise locations worldwide at the start of this year. About a third of those locations are at airports.

By declaring bankruptcy, Hertz said it intends to stay in business while restructuring its debts and emerging a financially healthier company. The board of Hertz, whose org chart listed dozens of debtor and non-debtor affiliates...



... earlier on Friday approved the company's Chapter 11 filing in a U.S. bankruptcy court in Delaware, according to court records, news of which was promptly leaked and sent the stock - which had in recent days become a darling for retail daytraders on Robinhood and elsewhere who expected a swift rebound in the price and BTFD - crashing . Its international operating regions including Europe, Australia and New Zealand were not included in the U.S. proceedings.

“The impact of COVID-19 on travel demand was sudden and dramatic, causing an abrupt decline in the company’s revenue and future bookings,” said the company’s statement adding that while it took immediate action in response to the crisis, “uncertainty remains as to when revenue will return and when the used-car market will fully re-open for sales, which necessitated today’s action.”
"With the severity of the Covid-19 impact on our business, and the uncertainty of when travel and the economy will rebound, we need to take further steps to weather a potentially prolonged recovery,” Hertz' new CEO Paul Stone said in a statement.

The firm, which already was suffering from a decline in demand as a result of the ubiquity of cheaper car-hailing services, and whose largest shareholder is billionaire investor Carl Icahn with a nearly 39% ownership stake...


... was left reeling after government orders restricted travel and ordered citizens to remain home. A large portion of Hertz’s revenue comes from car rentals at airports, which have all but evaporated as potential customers eschew plane travel.

Then there is the debt: with nearly $19 billion of debt and roughly 38,000 employees worldwide as of the end of 2019, Hertz was among the largest companies to be undone by the pandemic.

Hertz had $18.8 billion of debt on its books as of March 31, up $1.7 billion from the end of last year. Most of that debt, $14.4 billion, is backed by its vehicles. That includes the debt for which it missed the payment in April the prompted this latest crisis.


Hertz’s woes are compounded by the complexity of its balance sheet, which includes more than $14 billion of securitized debt. The proceeds from those securities finance purchases of vehicles that are then leased to Hertz in exchange for monthly payments that have risen as the value of cars fall. Hertz also has traditional credit lines, loans and bonds with conditions that can trigger defaults based on missing those lease payments or failing to meet other conditions, such as delivering a timely operating budget and reimbursing funds it has borrowed.

The public health crisis has also caused a cascade of bankruptcies or Chapter 11 preparations among companies dependent on consumer demand, including retailers, restaurants and oil and gas firms. And while US airlines had so far avoided a similar fate after receiving billions of dollars in government aid, Hertz was unable to get a government handout and this is the result.

The Estero, Florida-based company, which operates Hertz, Dollar and Thrifty car-rentals, had been in talks with creditors after skipping significant car-lease payments due in April. Forbearance and waiver agreements on the missed payments were set to expire on May 22. Hertz has about $1 billion of cash, which is why it won't need a debtor in possession loan. The company said it might need to raise more, perhaps through added borrowings while the bankruptcy process moves forward.

The company listed total assets of $25.8 billion and total debt of $24.4 billion on its bankruptcy petition, estimating more than 100,000 total creditors, of which IBM and Lyft were listed as the biggest.



The size of Hertz’s lease obligations have increased as the value of vehicles declined because of the pandemic. In an attempt to appease creditors holding asset-backed securities that finance its fleet of more than 500,000 vehicles, Hertz proposed selling more than 30,000 cars a month through the end of the year in an effort to raise around $5 billion, a person familiar with the matter said; that effort was seen as insufficient.

Just four days before the filing, the Hertz board appointed executive Paul Stone to replace Kathryn Marinello as CEO. Earlier notified 12,000 employees in North America that that they were losing their jobs, and another 4,000 are on furloughs. Its US workforce stood at 38,000 employees at the start of the year, with about a quarter of them represented by unions.

After the coronavirus pandemic decimated revenue, the car renter sought relief from lenders and a bailout from the U.S. Treasury Department. But while it managed to negotiate a short-term reprieve from creditors, it wasn’t able to work out longer-term agreements. A trade group representing Hertz, the American Car Rental Association, has asked Congress to do more for the industry by expanding coronavirus relief efforts and advancing new legislation targeting tourism-related businesses.

Even before the pandemic, Hertz and its peers were under financial pressure as travelers shifted to ride-hailing services such as Uber. To combat Uber, Hertz had adopted a turnaround plan, aiming to modernize its smartphone apps and improve management of its fleet of rental cars.

The filing has been the highest-profile bankruptcy of the COVID-19 crisis so far, which has prompted bankruptcies by national retailers like JCPenney, Neiman Marcus and J.Crew, along with some energy companies such as Whiting Petroleum and Diamond Offshore Drilling. But none of the companies to file so far have had such as large a share of their industry as does Hertz, which along with rivals Avis Budget and privately held Enterprise dominate the rental car industry.

The entire rental car industry has been devastated by the plunge in travel since the pandemic hit earlier this year.

Nearly two-thirds of its revenue comes from rentals at airport locations, and air travel has fallen sharply. Since the start of April, the number of people passing through TSA checkpoints at US airports has plummeted 94% compared with a year ago.

A significant portion of Hertz’s nonairport business is renting cars to people who are having their vehicles repaired after accidents. But with so many people out of work or working from home, the miles being driven and the number of car accidents are down significantly. Car insurers are voluntarily returning more than $7 billion, or between 15% to 25% of premiums, to their customers.

Hertz was founded in Chicago just more than a century ago by Walter Jacobs, who sold the company in 1923 to John Hertz, who renamed it and expanded the fleet to 600 cars. He began the nation’s first national rental network in 1925 and opened its first airport location at Chicago Midway Airport in 1932.

Hertz has had a number of high-profile corporate owners, including RCA, United Airlines, and most recently Ford, which sold it to a group of private equity firms in 2005 for $5.6 billion. It was taken public a year later.

Its primary shareholder today is activist investor Carl Icahn, who owns about 38% of its shares outstanding. He continued to increase his stake in the company all the way through mid-March. Those shares, which increased the size of his stake by 26%, have lost more than 60% of their value in the two months since his most recent purchases.

The company's legal and financial advisors are White & Case and FTI Consulting , while Moelis is its investment banker. The case in 20-11218 in the District of Delaware.

The full first-day bankruptcy motion is below.
see website
 

marsh

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Worst Unemployment Spike In History - 1 In 4 American Workers Has Filed For Unemployment Benefits In 2020

Fri, 05/22/2020 - 21:05

Authored by Michael Snyder via TheMostImportantNews.com,
Even though most U.S. states have begun the process of “reopening” their economies, the unprecedented tsunami of job losses that we have been experiencing just continues to roll on. On Thursday, we learned that another 2.4 million Americans filed initial claims for unemployment benefits during the previous week, and that brings the grand total for this pandemic to a whopping 38.6 million. To get an idea of just how badly this swamps what we witnessed during the last recession, take a look at this chart. This is the biggest spike in unemployment in all of U.S. history by a very wide margin, and analysts are expecting another huge number once again next week.


After my father got out of the U.S. Navy, he worked as a math teacher for many years, and throughout my life I have always had a deep appreciation for numbers.

And in this case, the numbers are telling us that we are facing something truly horrific.

During the month of February, the number of Americans that were currently employed peaked at 152,463,000.

If you take the 38.6 million workers that have filed for unemployment benefits during this crisis and divide it by 152,463,000, you will find that it gives you a figure of more than 25 percent.

In other words, more than one out of every four jobs in the United States is already gone, and more job losses will be coming week after week.

And of course not everyone that loses a job actually files a claim for unemployment benefits. So the true percentage of Americans that have lost a job would be even higher.

It had been hoped that the unemployment numbers would begin to normalize once states began “reopening” their economies, but so far that is not really materializing.

For example, Georgia was one of the first states to begin lifting restrictions, but that state also “now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance”
Georgia’s early move to start easing stay-at-home restrictions nearly a month ago has done little to stem the state’s flood of unemployment claims — illustrating how hard it is to bring jobs back while consumers are still afraid to go outside.

Weekly applications for jobless benefits have remained so elevated that Georgia now leads the country in terms of the proportion of its workforce applying for unemployment assistance. A staggering 40.3 percent of the state’s workers — two out of every five — has filed for unemployment insurance payments since the coronavirus pandemic led to widespread shutdowns in mid-March, a POLITICO review of Labor Department data shows.
Our politicians really didn’t understand what they were doing when they started locking down state after state. Coming into 2020, the U.S. economy was in an extremely fragile state and was already moving rapidly toward recession territory, and now fear of COVID-19 has burst all of our economic bubbles.
The U.S. economy is now in a death spiral, and a survey that was just conducted by the Census Bureau came up with some numbers that are simply eye-popping
Nearly half of Americans say that either their incomes have declined or they live with another adult who has lost pay through a job loss or reduced hours, the Census Bureau said in survey data released Wednesday.

More than one-fifth of Americans said they had little or no confidence in their ability to pay the next month´s rent or mortgage on time, the survey found.
Already, we are beginning to see mortgage delinquencies rise to very alarming levels.

In fact, in April we witnessed the largest single month jump that has ever been recorded
Mortgage delinquencies surged by 1.6 million in April, the largest single-month jump in history, according to a report from Black Knight, a mortgage technology and data provider. The data includes both homeowners past due on mortgage payments who aren’t in forbearance, along with those in forbearance plans and who didn’t make a mortgage payment in April.

At 6.45%, the national delinquency rate nearly doubled from 3.06% in March, the largest single-month increase recorded, and nearly three times the prior record for a single month during the height of the financial crisis in late 2008, Black Knight said.
Sadly, the truth is that this is only going to get worse.

The “enhanced unemployment benefits” that Congress recently passed have been helping many unemployed Americans to pay their mortgages, but now it appears that President Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell do not intend to extend those benefits past the July deadline. They are concerned that those benefits have been so generous that they have been discouraging many Americans from going back to work, and they are quite right about that.

Unfortunately, it isn’t just homeowners that have been missing payments.
At this point, the entire commercial real estate industry is on the precipice of a meltdown as rent payments and mortgage payments are being “skipped” all over the nation on a widespread basis. On Thursday, we learned that even the owners of The Mall of America have been skipping their mortgage payments

The biggest shopping center in the country, The Mall of America, has missed two months of payments on its $1.4 billion mortgage, a sign of just how much retail real estate owners are reeling during the coronavirus pandemic.
The mall, operated by private developers Triple Five Group, skipped mortgage payments in April and May, according to Trepp, a New York-based research firm that tracks the commercial mortgage-backed securities, or CMBS, market.
Unless Congress steps in and showers the entire commercial real estate industry with giant mountains of cash, I don’t see how an unprecedented meltdown can be averted.

It is going to be horrifying to watch, and it is going to absolutely dwarf anything that we witnessed in 2008.

Of course similar things can be said about the economy as a whole. At this point, Bank of America is projecting that U.S. GDP will fall 40 percent on an annualized basis during the second quarter of this year…
Now that banks have had a chance to evaluate the collapse in the economy in the post-covid world, a new round of GDP forecast revisions is coming, and it’s a doozy, with Bank of America spearheading the latest effort by slashing its Q2 GDP forecast from -30% to -40%.
Not without a trace of irony, BofA’s chief economist Michelle Meyer writes that “words cannot describe” the loss in economic output, which is “unlike anything we have seen in modern history.”
When Bank of America starts sounding like The Economic Collapse Blog, that is a clear sign that things are really starting to fall apart in a major way.
Now that restrictions are being lifted all over the nation, the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases is starting to rise again, and fear of this virus is going to paralyze economic activity for the foreseeable future.

And what most Americans still don’t understand is that what we have experienced so far is just the beginning…
 

marsh

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https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article242946886.html?fbclid=IwAR3P1hIxhh7gZNSFG2d0sTQdkY_gSWxzOqrn1-4GYXOMEtEv_2zvyRauWHs

Capitol Alert
Watch: Rally against Newsom’s stay-at-home coronavirus shutdown begins at Capitol
BY SAM STANTON AND DALE KASLER
MAY 23, 2020 09:27 AM , UPDATED 2 MINUTES AGO

A major rally called ‘Liberty Fest’ is underway at the California state Capitol in downtown Sacramento Saturday in protest of Gov. Newsom’s coronavirus stay-at-home orders. DANIEL KIM DKIMA@SACBEE.COM

It was shaping up as the largest protest rally in Sacramento so far over COVID-19 shutdowns — with the offer of haircuts on the side.

At least 1,000 demonstrators came to the Capitol on Saturday to march around the grounds, feast on barbecue and demand that Gov. Gavin Newsom lift his restrictions on business, religious gatherings and other trappings of everyday life.

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The demonstration, dubbed Liberty Fest, was billed as a cross between a tailgate party, music festival and protest. Organizers said it would be country’s largest Memorial Day weekend protest against coronavirus stay-at-home orders.

Even well before the official noon start, hundreds of demonstrators gathered along 10th Street, facing the west steps of the Capitol. Many wore T-shirts bearing the slogan, “Resist. Rise. Revolt. Reopen.” Social distancing was non-existent as the sidewalk and street were clogged with humanity. Masks were rare, aside from reporters and the more than 100 California Highway Patrol officers on hand, and demonstrators suggested that journalists who wore them were spreading fear.

Rock and country music played over a loudspeaker. A flatbed truck, set up for speeches and live music, bore the sign, “Jesus, heal this land,” and at least four people brought signs vowing to recall Newsom. A card table offered American flags and Donald Trump merchandise for sale, while another vendor was selling shirts with the slogan, “1776. Forever Free.” Dozens of port-a-potties lined the sidewalk, and several area restaurants set up food trucks in the vicinity.

And while organizers vowed to keep the protest peaceful, some participants were preparing to defy at least some of the restrictions imposed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in California.

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HAIRCUT STATIONS SET UP
La Donna Christensen, 39, a Roseville cosmetologist and hair stylist, set up six temporary stations on the sidewalk by the west side of the Capitol. She was offering haircuts despite warnings of a license suspension from the state Board of Barbering and Cosmetology, she was offering haircuts.

“We’re going to do haircuts for donations, basically try to show that being in the cosmetology industry ... is one of the most sanitary industries in the state,” she said. “Why do they close down the salons but we can go to Home Depot, Walmart, Target? It’s ridiculous.”

Jennifer Joseph, who drove up Friday night from Orange County, had her 9-year-old grandson, Jordan, get one of Christensen’s first haircuts. Joseph said that because she was donating money, the haircut wouldn’t imperil Christensen’s license.

“It’s time to open up the state,” Joseph said, adding that Jordan had been happy to let his hair grow out. “This isn’t the country I grew up in.”

Haircuts, manicures and other services performed in close quarters remain prohibited for the time being under Newsom’s phased-in approach to resuming economic activities.

More than 100 CHP officers strolled through the Capitol grounds. Unlike previous rallies, they didn’t immediately don helmets or line up along the fence line guarding the west side of the Capitol — the traditional spot for protests. They closed 10th Street to vehicle traffic as a portion of the crowd spilled onto the adjacent Capitol Mall.

The rally came as Newsom has opened up much of the California economy, including restaurants and shopping malls. But demonstrators demanded that Newsom go further.

“We’ve got to reopen everything now,” said Thinh Nguyen, 38, a manicurist whose North Highlands nail salon has been closed. His father, Vuong Tat Nguyen, who served in the South Vietnamese army, led a sizable group of pro-Trump demonstrators chanting, “Four more years.”

Wearing a scarf that merged the American flag with the flag of his homeland of South Vietnam, Thinh Nguyen said Newsom is overstating the COVID-19 risks. He added that he isn’t convinced Newsom will allow him and other manicurists to reopen anytime soon.

“Whatever he says is all lies, this governor,” he said.

Many in the crowd shared Nguyen’s belief that the risks of the coronavirus have been exaggerated. “It’s a lot of hype,” said James Reed, a medical marijuana grower who arrived from Siskiyou County.

His pot farm hasn’t been shuttered by Newsom’s order, but he said, “It’s not my livelihood that I’m worried about.”

Many of Newsom’s critics are demanding the right to go to church, and among those in attendance was Pastor Tim Thompson, a Riverside County clergyman who led a previous rally at the Capitol.

Thompson said he appreciated President Trump’s announcement Friday that he would order governors around the country to allow religious institutions to reopen. But Thompson added that Trump’s comments really aren’t necessary.

“It’s not up to the government to tell the churches what to do,” said Thompson. He added that his 412 Church in Murrieta has “been open full for the past month.”

Pressure is growing on Newsom to allow churches to reopen. The U.S Justice Department recently warned him that prohibiting religious services is unconstitutional - even though federal judges have turned aside legal challenges brought by California churches against Newsom’s order. Meanwhile, a large group of California clergy has vowed to reopen their churches for services May 31.

For his part, Newsom said Friday he would issue new guidelines on religious services within days. A large group of California clergy has vowed to hold in-person church services May 31.

JUDGE RULES AGAINST LODI GYM OWNER

Meanwhile, Newsom won a legal victory late Friday when a federal judge in Sacramento refused to allow a health club owner to reopen.

U.S. District Judge John Mendez refused to grant Sean Covell, owner of three Fitness System clubs in Sacramento, Lodi and West Sacramento, a temporary restraining order that would have overturned Newsom’s restrictions. Covell said Newsom’s order violated the First Amendment, but the judge said gyms have nothing to do with freedom of speech. On Saturday, Covell appealed to his gym members to donate to a GoFundMe account to keep his staff on the payroll.

Saturday’s rally was organized by various “Reopen California” organizations demanding the Newsom end California’s restrictions, as well as the CHP’s temporary ban on state property. Previous rallies at the Capitol have drawn hundreds and one resulted in multiple arrests.

One group arriving at the Capitol Saturday, an anti-vaccination organization called the Freedom Angels Foundation, said it chartered buses from Southern California — sold out at $30 per adult and $50 per family, according to the Angels’ website. The anti-vaccination activitists planted signs in the ground, including one that claimed that a coronavirus vaccine would be used as a “weapon of mandated depopulation.”

Demonstrations have erupted nationwide over stay-at-home orders, and have included business owners concerned about their livelihoods, parents worried about their children being locked out of school or church and people angry that their right to protest has been curtailed.

The Reopen California Facebook page has 170,000 members. Its logo is a parody of the California flag, with the bear upside down. Its members have varied interests; some are fighting California’s vaccination laws while others are mostly focused on Newsom’s executive order. Some of the protesters have brought giant banners with a picture of Newsom wearing a Hitler mustache. Many others have shown up wearing Donald Trump hats and shirts.

California’s protests have been tense at times — 32 people were arrested at the Capitol on May 1 after hundreds refused CHP orders to disperse. Subsequent demonstrations have been a lot calmer as protesters stuck to the sidewalk while CHP officers guarded the western perimeter of the Capitol grounds.

A website advertising Saturday’s demonstration said: “This is a non-violent rally. No violence will be tolerated and anyone displaying violence and/or destructive behavior is not associated with the rally and disavowed by the other participants.”

The CHP banned protests at the Capitol after a huge throng demonstrating on the grounds in late April ignored social distancing guidelines. Conservative groups have challenged the ban in court but so far have been unsuccessful.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
Makes me sad too. Reminds me of a personal experience years ago. Someone I know collapsed at home. His wife drove him to the ER. My understanding was he was dead when she got him there, late thirties, active, no known heart issues.

Someone close to me was a nurse there. Naturally I was concerned and asked for an update. Will never forget the response. "We worked really hard for a long time, but he's not going to make it."
Long story short: He did make it. Has seen his young children (at that time) graduate. He changed professions and now HE is helping people.
Has the hype associated with this disease created skewed triage protocols? Are people given EVERY chance to get better? No family advocates are present. Anecdotal reports from some facilities are filtering out that suggest "NO".

skewed treatment protocols? Yes
people given every chance? No
 
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