Just Heard on 'CNN' Donald Trump is Calling for New Caucus Or Cruz Results Nullified

Lavender

Veteran Member
edit.....Struck the word Election from title and replaced it with Caucus. What was I thinking.
edit again....Now I know where I got the word Election from...instead of Caucus....it was the word FOX NEWS used....they just said election again. :) So was it kind-of an election? Oh dear heavens...I just discovered I have been watching CNN all along, so strike FOX and use CNN. No wonder I was ready to switch back to FOX.

Just heard on FOX News.....Donald Trump is calling for a new election or nullify Cruz's results.

Trump is saying Ted Cruz stole the election. The votes should be 'nullified.'

From what I have seen about Trump, he must have some facts to support his accusations, or he would not be saying this.

Oh this is going to be good!

(PS....I'm switching back to FOX News. Even though they are no better than the others, they at least pretend to be.)
 
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brokenwings

Veteran Member
I am hoping and praying that we finally have a candidate that can prove and stop voter fraud! I am sick of everyone just rolling over like they did for O.
 
This is GOOD. And for this reason, he is putting all of the elites on notice going forward. He needed to make the point now, and he did.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Sanders is pretty much demanding the same thing. I'm not sure what either one are expecting other than a recount. Rubio won my prescient with Cruz in second place and Trump in third.
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Sanders is pretty much demanding the same thing. I'm not sure what either one are expecting other than a recount. Rubio won my prescient with Cruz in second place and Trump in third.

Guess he's upset that they didn't use his quarter for the toss..oh, wait..he didn't have one.
 

Warthog

Black Out
As long as we have a technology based voting system it will be rigged!!!! I'm just embarrassed that anyone in this country would vote for Hitlery or Bernie. The Founding Fathers would be astounded by this!!! Everyone knows that Socialism never works, but yet they ignorantly embrace it. .:dstrs::shk:
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
It won't happen this year, I predict. The PTB will tell the candidates to go pound sand. However, in the future, I expect to see some changes: people are angry.

I didn't see anything amiss when I went to caucus. It was run by gray-haired librarian types, and I recognized a lot of the people there, even if I didn't know their names. They live in my neighborhood. Had a bunch of young people of color suddenly appeared, it would've pinged my radar, but I didn't see anyone out of place.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
I can tell you for sure that my precinct caucus voting was 100% accurate. First, you have to register and the number registered is the number of ballots available. Definitely one vote per person. Three people counted the votes. Numbers were certified and then transmitted to the state headquarters. That is the Republican process for every precinct.

Some of Cruz supporters told people that Carson was planning to suspend his campaign which wasn't malicious but the misinterpretation of something Carson had said. I would assume more people voting for Carson would perhaps have allowed Trump to win. All that said, basically Trump is a poor sport and a terrible loser.

A new election might mean Cruz votes go to Rubio rather than Trump so he could potentially become a bigger loser.
 

skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Trump is referring to cruz/Staffers tweeting that carson was backing out of the race and people who were going to vote for him to vote for cruz.

Carson is pretty mad about it too.
“There is no place for this kind of unethical behavior in our American political culture," Carson said in a statement Tuesday, "and it only intensifies my desire to work extremely hard to break down the ugliness in this system.”

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

During primetime of the Iowa Caucus, Cruz put out a release that @RealBenCarson was quitting the race, and to caucus (or vote) for Cruz.

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.

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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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HEH HEH

He's keeping the media exposure up without spending any money.

I doubt anything will come of this...other than Trump owning the news cycle.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That is why all of the polls were so wrong
The polls are only right by accident. Most political polls are only very loosely tied to the facts of how people will actually vote.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Trump would be better served focusing on keeping/enhancing his lead in New Hampshire. There's a GOP debate coming up again Saturday night, and then the N.H. Primary on Tuesday.

He's being "predictable" for Trump, but may be playing into the hands of his competition again.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Trump is referring to cruz/Staffers tweeting that carson was backing out of the race and people who were going to vote for him to vote for cruz.

Carson is pretty mad about it too.
“There is no place for this kind of unethical behavior in our American political culture," Carson said in a statement Tuesday, "and it only intensifies my desire to work extremely hard to break down the ugliness in this system.”

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

Ted Cruz didn't win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

During primetime of the Iowa Caucus, Cruz put out a release that @RealBenCarson was quitting the race, and to caucus (or vote) for Cruz.

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Donald J. Trump
ý@realDonaldTrump

Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.

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Is this guy a poor loser or what? Isn't the whole idea behind caucuses to try to pull others over to your side? Did this happen during the caucus process? If you were caucusing for a candidate and you received a tweet from a competitor saying that your candidate dropped out, why would you believe it. Wouldn't you try to verify that information? Why would a candidate drop out in the middle of the vote process. If it did happen how does he know that some votes didn't go to him or Paul or Kasich or Huckabee or Bush or Christie?
 

shinerbock

Innocent Bystander
So, Trump's much ballyhooed 'gracious' response to the loss in IA turns to fairy dust twenty four hours later. Like this is a surprise.

Carson's campaign has failed for many reasons, the most notable being that his aides were at odds with the candidate's vision and spent money wildly as has Jeb's crew. There have been rumors of Carson's exit for weeks now. The info on election night was called in to the Cruz camp by someone inside the poorly run Carson camp. Ted called to apologize for not calling to confirm the heads up. He didn't have to...

And Donald discovers yet another reason for not winning. Dirty tricks? According to Trump violations that compare to the current President's misuse of the IRS to deny 501c3 status to conservative & Tea Party groups across the board, even waging investigations of same groups to denigrate their beliefs and their purpose?

This is the same Donald who admitted that not participating in the final IA debate may have cost him the election. But that his humble, "non-politicized" fund raiser CAMPAIGN NIGHT appearance to raise $$ for veterans (later conceding that this move was intended to appeal to N.H.'s high percentage of former military personnel) was worth losing a race he should have won in IA (but by then was told had slipped out of his grasp). Who really believes that?

"We're going to win, win, win. You're going to be amazed @ how much we win!" Dribble like that type of braggadocio for months and suddenly coming in second after being favored by double digits in the caucuses are hardly compatible emotions. And here @ the Bomb feverish Trump bunnies overcome with vapors @ every pronouncement from Trump Towers or The Donald's jet are hyperventilaing as the 'old' Trump is crawling back into the ring or trying at any rate.

Very sad. This is the silly season and there is plenty to smile about, even hoot @ from all quarters. Having followed national political campaigns since 1960, I must say that even this early in the process this year's circus tops them all. Believe 5% of what you hear and try to remember that the loudest, shrillest voice is usually the least prepared or organized in terms of connecting with those who actually vote, the ones who actually decide who wins the elections.

As Stephen Sondheim wrote in a song from the Broadway musical (A Little Night Music), "Send in the clowns - Don't bother, they're here".
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
I have had FOX on since 7 am and this is the first I have heard of it........

Somebody speculating on what he thinks Trump should have done/said/thought......??

Somebody attributing remarks to somebody is inflammatory and that somebody should be careful.

And the somebodies who jump on the opposition bandwagon need to not be quite so transparent.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fox news and the other big MSM would absolutely use the word Elections because what they are actually doing is trying to 're-program' the viewers easily manipulated thinking.

It's a technique called, "Neurolinguistics in Sales". Works like a charm.

Remember, there is "Power in the Spoken Word".

Many viewers get all the their news and 'views' via the MSM because they are either too lazy or too busy with their everyday lives and don't want to really digest what is going on within the world stage.

So they hear a word or concept and without thinking, it immediately sinks into their subconscious.

The MSM knows exactly what they're doing to manipulate peoples thinking and they do it all the time. They have the money to pour into this type of psychological R&D.

So what we are seeing is not only a play on words but it goes much much deeper than that.

Just thought I'd mention this as I see it daily with how the MSM creates a constructed 'reality' for it's viewers.

That's why some of the MSM use 'crisis actors' and 'props' such as was done during the reporting a few years ago with the Palestinian and Israeli fighting. Some people who are sharp enough will see the same actors and even the same famous 'babydoll' which was used in different news stories when all that happened.

Most of the footage we saw were totally staged reenactments for are viewing pleasure and to sway the average Joe into thinking the Israeli's were the bad guys in all that back then.

I hope I'm making sense of all this to you all. V
 

Be Well

may all be well
Checking out Free Republic for more news on this. I didn't find much but did see this, about Cruz' campaign chairman.

Comment from FR member, not sure what he means about Soros connection, will ask: ETA: Did ask and he said no evidence so deleting.


In other news:
Meet Chad C. Sweet, Ted Cruz’s campaign chairman, former DoD/CIA/Goldman Sachs/Homeland Security.

Sweet co-founded the Chertoff Group with former Bush and Obama administration Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.

As a leader of the Chertoff Group, Sweet “advocated for expanding NSA metadata collection.”

http://www.chertoffgroup.com/bios/chad-sweet.php

Meet Ted’s ex-CIA PR guy, Dan P. Gabriel. Gabriel is involved in SIGINT aka interception - which is turned into propaganda. His twitter handle is @danpgabriel and he was one of the people pushing the angle that it was confirmed to the Cruz campaign that Carson was dropping out. After called out on the lie, the agent deleted the tweet and denies everything in typical spook fashion:

From link:

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Mr. Chad C. Sweet
Co-Founder

Areas of Focus:

Intelligence and counterterrorism

Mergers and acquisitions within the security industry

Investment counsel for private equity targeting the security industry

Cyber security and corporate compliance

Previous Government and Private Sector Service:

Chief of Staff, Department of Homeland Security (2007 – 2009)

Vice President, Goldman Sachs (1996 – 2006)

Investment Banker, Morgan Stanley (1994 – 1996)

Directorate of Operations, Central Intelligence Agency (1990, 1991 – 1993)

Chad Sweet is a Co-Founder of the The Chertoff Group, a global advisory firm and investment bank exclusively focused on the security sector. Mr. Sweet formerly served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Prior to becoming Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet worked as an investment banker at the firms of Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs as well as served in the CIA's National Clandestine Service.

Previously as the Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet helped Secretary Michael Chertoff manage one of the largest federal agencies with approximately 220,000 dedicated homeland security professionals and an annual budget of over $50 billion.

After leaving DHS, Secretary Chertoff and Mr. Sweet co-founded The Chertoff Group to consult with companies and governments on their own security as well to advise on mergers and acquisitions (M&A) in the security industry. With over a decade of investment banking experience, Mr. Sweet has been involved in more than 40 successful sell- and buy-side M&A and capital formation engagements. His recent deals include advising Potomac Fusion on its sale to Sotera, Arlington Capital on its acquisition of FGM and White Oak Technologies to form Novetta Solutions, Veritas Capital on its acquisition of EIG to form "The SI", Waud Capital on its acquisition of Summit Solutions and subsequent merger with Point One to form National Security Partners, Berkshire Partners on its acquisition of ESP, and Safran's acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions, among others.

Mr. Sweet is a FINRA Registered Representative (Series 7, 24, 63, 79) and registered representative of Chertoff Capital, LLC, a wholly-owned broker dealer subsidiary of The Chertoff Group. He is a member of The Association for Corporate Growth National Capital Chapter, GEN NEXT, and the Young Presidents' Organization (YPO) - U.S. Capital Chapter. He is also a Senior Fellow at the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute, a Member of the FBI's InfraGard Advisory Board, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Naval Analysis, and a frequent commentator on national security issues for CNN, FOX, and CNBC. Mr. Sweet graduated with honors from Columbia University.
 
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Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sanders wanted a raw vote count. I think that's a splendid idea! And let's do the GOP too! I would be curious to see how closely Microsoft's tally came to the actual tally.
 

Lavender

Veteran Member
I have had FOX on since 7 am and this is the first I have heard of it........

Somebody speculating on what he thinks Trump should have done/said/thought......??

Somebody attributing remarks to somebody is inflammatory and that somebody should be careful.

And the somebodies w
ho jump on the opposition bandwagon need to not be quite so transparent.
Sorry about the confusion.
I edited the OP earlier this morning to mention it was CNN that reported the news instead of FOX NEWS. I discovered I had been watching CNN all along, so I said to strike FOX as reporting on Trump, and to replace it with CNN.

I just now edited the Thread title to say CNN.
 

WestGardener

Senior Member
It was not just Ben Carson that Cruz cheated out of votes but worst of all he cheated the American people. The American people deserve better than this, we have put up with "dirty politics" long enough.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I have to assume that those are condemning Trump for questioning the results were perfectly OK with Romney just laying down and taking the...ummm...voting irregularities that he encountered in the last general election

I am kinda in favor of someone that will question the mechanics of the process at every opportunity.

If it is known that he will rip and tear into the guts of how the votes are counted, it might make a difference on how the general is conducted.
 

petedtom

Membership Revoked
No this is a good thing, brings the dirty stuff to light.

Where were you guys when they screwed Ron Paul last election though? Not too much of a peep then.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Heh....watch lil Shrub starting gaining ground out of nowhere now. He is the establishment choice. Rubio is only a reserve policy. Trump and Cruz both are throwing a monkey wrench into the Republican establishment. They can't stand Cruz and Trump is a cowboy that they can't lasso. Seems that the sleeze factor is growing a mite with Cruz though. Pretty early in the process and there are some rather unethical things bubbling just below the surface. The Carson comment, voter violation report, ect.
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Fox news and the other big MSM would absolutely use the word Elections because what they are actually doing is trying to 're-program' the viewers easily manipulated thinking.

It's a technique called, "Neurolinguistics in Sales". Works like a charm.

I hope I'm making sense of all this to you all. V



Perfect sense. And it's easy to see where as the narrative gets steered many people begin to embellish with their own endorsement of the so-called logic. E.g., blaming the evangelicals they imagine are responsible for the vote numbers not reflecting the latest polls...
 

curlysue

Tomorrow will come
With the reports coming out of Iowa, it would be wise for the underbelly to be exposed. If Trump or Sanders is able to shake Americansinto reality and create real change, then it will be a job well done.

Opensecrets.com is able to lay open the super pacs in the race. Super pacs are no different than the medi. By neither of these men accepting a super pac, it exposes those who are interfering.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
I have to assume that those are condemning Trump for questioning the results were perfectly OK with Romney just laying down and taking the...ummm...voting irregularities that he encountered in the last general election

I am kinda in favor of someone that will question the mechanics of the process at every opportunity.

If it is known that he will rip and tear into the guts of how the votes are counted, it might make a difference on how the general is conducted.

No this is a good thing, brings the dirty stuff to light.
Where were you guys when they screwed Ron Paul last election though? Not too much of a peep then.

Yes and yes! Lordy, people have bitched and moaned about voting shenanigans for years but when somebody actually has the balls to say something about crap that smells to high heaven they get ripped?
 

Lavender

Veteran Member
So why is the media going crazy and beating up Trump for saying the same thing as Ben Carson? This just makes me want to support Trump and actually feel happy about it!

From Dr. Carson's twitter.... https://twitter.com/RealBenCarson

Dr. Ben Carson þ@RealBenCarson · Feb 2
Shameless tactics & dirty political plays defined yesterdays #iacaucus. There is no place for this kind of behavior. http://crsn.co/1X0hvfQ

(PS....Could someone call Rush Limbaugh right now and tell him to shut up his face! He has been putting Trump down all day....Lav)
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Yeah its all over the internet how Cruz's campaign shenanigans went about telling people Carson was dropping out and its thought it made hard core Carson supporters to overnight swing and rally for Cruz.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is all just proving that caucuses are a flawed electoral mechanism. Entire counties being decided by a coin toss should be warning sign. You cannot decide a primary by bussing in fanatical ground troops to bully voters to your candidates side of the room. Everyone votes and then leaves, clean and simple.
 

Be Well

may all be well
This is all just proving that caucuses are a flawed electoral mechanism. Entire counties being decided by a coin toss should be warning sign. You cannot decide a primary by bussing in fanatical ground troops to bully voters to your candidates side of the room. Everyone votes and then leaves, clean and simple.

Yeah, the caucus system sounds totally rotten. There is much about the political mechanism that is rotten. Dragging the whole thing out for more than a year is rotten in itself.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
With the reports coming out of Iowa, it would be wise for the underbelly to be exposed. If Trump or Sanders is able to shake Americansinto reality and create real change, then it will be a job well done.

Opensecrets.com is able to lay open the super pacs in the race. Super pacs are no different than the medi. By neither of these men accepting a super pac, it exposes those who are interfering.

It is pretty damn easy for a billionaire who can supposedly fund his own campaign, and I use supposedly loosely) to call on everyone else to refuse Super Pac money. In case you haven't heard, according to the SCOTUS, Super Pacs are perfectly legal. Maybe the only people who should be allowed to run for President from now on are billionaires. Yeah, that'll work. Just how long to you think a candidate could run a campaign only collecting small donations from individuals? I have never given one red cent to any politician. I evern refuse to check the box on the tax forms asking for a $1 for the general election fund. Screw'em
I
I've got an idea. Ban all money to political candidates, including their own. All campaigns are to be run via twitter, Facebook and Youtube.
 

shinerbock

Innocent Bystander
I have had FOX on since 7 am and this is the first I have heard of it........

Somebody speculating on what he thinks Trump should have done/said/thought......??

Somebody attributing remarks to somebody is inflammatory and that somebody should be careful.

And the somebodies who jump on the opposition bandwagon need to not be quite so transparent.

Can you please be more specific?
 
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