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Jaish-e Mohamed detonated an 800lb car bomb in the middle of a convoy of troops headed home on leave from Jammu/Kashmir in northern India. At least 44 killed and at least 35 in extremely critical condition, and many still missing.

Sentiment in India running very high against Pakistan, with calls for war everywhere. The Prime Minister has so far only made a token response, and looks very weak. Making this worse is that India is only a couple of months away from their national election.

This has a chance of spiraling out of control if Modi feels the need to make himself look tough, or if he listens to the hotheads.
 
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Bean Pole

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Jaish-e Mohamed detonated an 800lb car bomb in the middle of a convoy of troops headed home on leave from Jammu/Kashmir in northern India. At least 44 killed and at least 35 in extremely critical condition, and many still missing.

Sentiment in India running very high against Pakistan, with calls for war everywhere. The Prime Minister has so far only made a token response, and looks very weak. Making this worse is that India is only a couple of months away from their national election.

This has a chance of spiraling out of control if Modi feels the need to make himself look tough, or if he listens to the hotheads.

TM, with a world full of hotspots, Kashmir happens to be the hottest of the hot. Not good, not good at all.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Mehedi Hasan Banna
‏ @mehedi_h_banna
24s25 seconds ago

India??: Massive blast hits CRPF vehicle on Kashmir left 44 Indian soldiers dead, 15 wounded
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Biggest Dhamaka happened in Indian


#kashmir, #FreeKashmir, #StopOccupation


Zeeshan Chaudhry
‏ @MZeeshanAnwar
2m2 minutes ago
Replying to @StateDeputySPOX @statedeptspox

That should be condemned by everyone ! But why you don’t condemn when these soldiers killed and raped every day in illegally occupied Indian Kashmir. On 6 th May 2018 14 students killed by Indian army including university professor, @UN must take seriously to resolve #Kashmir


HardLearned زندگی
‏ @UrbanXpat
4m4 minutes ago

#Kashmir is nothing but an already lost battle that everyone is trying to win. Deaths are deaths. This is a loss to humanity. Those celebrating the deaths, should revisit their being as to what they are human or inhuman. #Pulwama


Another one of those too-crazy-for-me Twitters, Kashmir:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=#kashmir&src=typd
 

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Housecarl

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This has near enough of a rhythming resemblance to southern Europe in the summer of 1914 to give real pause. We've been lucky statistically more than warranted.....


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Doc1

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India and Pakistan have long been mortal enemies and are both armed with sophisticated nuclear weapons. Many observers - including myself - believe that they are the most likely adversaries to initiate a nuclear war. They have been on the edge many times. For most people in the West, India and Pakistan are off the radar screen until something like this most recent terrorist attack makes the news. The reality is that the tension between the countries is almost constant and the fireworks could start at any moment.

Best regards
Doc
 

Bean Pole

Senior Member
India and Pakistan have long been mortal enemies and are both armed with sophisticated nuclear weapons. Many observers - including myself - believe that they are the most likely adversaries to initiate a nuclear war. They have been on the edge many times. For most people in the West, India and Pakistan are off the radar screen until something like this most recent terrorist attack makes the news. The reality is that the tension between the countries is almost constant and the fireworks could start at any moment.

Best regards
Doc

Doc, I couldn't have said it any better myself. I follow the analyst Richard Maybury. He repeats your reasoning that nuclear war will start there - between Indy & Pak.
 

Bean Pole

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Forty killed in India car bomb attack on soldiers' convoy

Pakistan-based terror organisation Jaish-e-Mohammad has claimed responsibility for the attack on a 55-seater bus.

By Neville Lazarus, news producer Thursday 14 February 2019 18:00, UK

A militant attack on a convoy of vehicles carrying paramilitary soldiers of the Indian Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has killed at least 40 personnel and injured dozens.

Thirteen of the injured are believed to be in critical condition.

According to police, an SUV car laden with approximately 350kg of explosives rammed into the bus carrying 39 members of the 76 Battalion of CRPF at 3.15pm.

The bus was part of a 70-vehicle convoy carrying more than 2,500 security personnel from Jammu to Srinagar.
The attack happened on the highway in Pulwama district about 12 miles from the state capital Srinagar.
Speaking to reporters, inspector general of police SP Pani said: "We are investigating the nature of the explosion.
"There has been a number of casualties and the injured have been taken to hospital. We are combing the site and we are investigating the bomb attack."

Pictures from the attack site show the 55-seater bus reduced to a mangled heap of metal. Pakistan-based terror organisation Jaish-e-Mohammad has claimed responsibility for the attack.

In a statement to a local news service, the terror group claims the bomb laden vehicle was driven by Aadil Ahmad alias Waqas Commando.

Members of the Jaish-e-Mohammad are allegedly involved in a number of attacks in Indian administered Kashmir, including the Pathankot Air base attack in 2016 in which seven soldiers were killed.

The organisation has been designated a terror group by the United States, Britain, Russia, Pakistan and a number of other western countries.

K.Vijay Kumar, adviser to the governor of Jammu and Kashmir, said: "We are still trying to confirm if a foreign terrorist is involved in the attack, we are verifying the claims put out by Jaish-e-Mohammad."

He added: "We have killed more than 250 militants including 19 commanders of various terror organisations since last year and we will keep doing so."

Home minister Rajnath Singh said: "The attack was carried out by Pakistan backed Jaish e Mohammed. A strong reply will be given and I assure the people of the country this."

The foreign ministry said it was "firmly and resolutely committed to take all necessary measures to safeguard national security".
It also called for Pakistan to "stop supporting terrorists and terror groups operating from their territory". Vice President of India, Venkaiah Naidu, said he was "shocked by the dastardly terrorist attack in which CRPF personnel were martyred.

"My heartfelt condolences to bereaved families and prayers for speedy recovery of the injured."

This has been one of the biggest attacks on Indian security forces in Kashmir. In September 2016, a pre-dawn militant attack on the brigade headquarters of the Indian Army in Uri led to the deaths of 23 soldiers. India blamed militants from Jaish-e-Mohammad for the attack. In retaliation, India conducted surgical strikes 11 days later on what it termed as "launch pads" used by militants in Pakistan administrated Kashmir.

Link: https://news.sky.com/story/forty-ki...f-twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
 

naegling62

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My father, who predicted many things and had an unusual ability to predict outcomes, always said the 1st Nuclear war would be between India and Pakistan.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
snip....
Before Gandhi’s martyrdom, and before he received the title Mahatma (great soul), he prophesied that any partition of India would magnify the historic discord and suspicion between Muslims and Hindus in South Asia. Partition, he said, would destine India and Pakistan to fight four wars — each more terrible than the last.
Snip...
https://www.hogueprophecy.com/2001/12/mahatma-gandhis-prophecy-four-wars-with-pakistan/

He would know. He knew ahead of time that he was going to be assassinated.

And ancient history claims that atomic wars with flying machines have happened in the distant past in India. It's all on the internet, if you are interested.

:(
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Pooja Singh
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13m13 minutes ago

#Breaking - #India withdraws Most Favored Nation status given to #Pakistan .

#TerroristAttack
#PhulwamaTerrorAttack
 

Housecarl

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World News February 14, 2019 / 10:37 PM / Updated 2 hours ago

Indian PM Modi warns Pakistan of strong response for Kashmir attack

Fayaz Bukhari, Sanjeev Miglani
5 Min Read

NEW DELHI/SRINAGAR (Reuters) - India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi warned Pakistan on Friday to expect a strong response to a car bomb attack on a military convoy in Kashmir that killed 44 paramilitary policemen, ratcheting up tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbors.

Coming just months ahead of a general election in India, the attack was the worst in decades in Jammu and Kashmir, even though there has been a long running insurgency in the country’s only Muslim majority state.

“We will give a befitting reply, our neighbor will not be allowed to destabilize us,” Modi said in a speech, after meeting with security advisers earlier to discuss options.

The Pakistan-based Islamist militant group Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) claimed responsibility soon after a suicide bomber rammed a explosives-laden car into a bus carrying Central Reserve Police Force personnel on Thursday.

The White House urged Pakistan in a statement “to end immediately the support and safe haven provided to all terrorist groups operating on its soil”.

India said it had “incontrovertible evidence” of the Pakistan involvement in the attack. The Pakistan government responded with a stiff denial, while calling the attack a matter of “grave concern.”

As outrage and demands for revenge flooded Indian social media sites, Arun Jaitley, one of the most senior figures in the Hindu nationalist-led government, spelt out New Delhi’s diplomatic response.

“The ministry of external affairs will initiate all possible steps, and I am here referring to all possible diplomatic steps, which have to be taken to ensure the complete isolation from the international community of Pakistan,” Jaitley, the country’s finance minister, told reporters.

The first step, he said, would include removing most favored nation (MFN) trade privileges that had been accorded to Pakistan - though annual bilateral trade between the two countries is barely $2 billion.

The last major attack in Kashmir was in 2016 when Jaish militants raided an Indian army camp in Uri, killing 20 soldiers. Weeks later, Modi ordered a surgical strike on suspected militant camps across the border in Pakistan Kashmir.

When he swept to power in 2014, Modi had vowed to tough line with mostly Muslim Pakistan. The two countries have gone to war three times since independence from Britain in 1947, twice over Kashmir.

The Line of Control, the disputed de facto border dividing Indian and Pakistani held Kashmir is widely regarded as one of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints, especially after the two countries became nuclear armed states in 1998.

CRACKDOWN IN KASHMIR
Hundreds of thousands of Indian troops are deployed in Kashmir. Having waxed and waned since the late 1980s, the insurgency began to intensify in the last five years as a fresh generation of Kashmiris were drawn to militancy. And since last year, the number of attacks has increased.

Soon after Thursday’s attack, Jaish released photographs and a video of Adil Ahmad Dar, a young Kashmiri villager it said had carried out the suicide attack on the convoy as it passed through Pulwama district.

In the video, Dar warned of more attacks to avenge human rights violations in Kashmir.

(Graphic: Suicide car bomber kills 44 policemen in Kashmir - tmsnrt.rs/2TM34k8)
Jaish is one of the most deadly groups operating in Kashmir, and has a long history of strikes against India.

In 2001, it mounted a deadly attack on the parliament in New Delhi that brought India and Pakistan to the brink of another war. India’s past efforts to add Jaish’s supremo, Maulana Masood Azhar, to a U.N. Security Council blacklist of al Qaeda-linked terrorists have been blocked by China.

Indian forces picked up seven people for questioning, after mounting a sweep in Pulwama, a police official said.

The bus in which the paramilitary personnel were traveling was part of a convoy of more than 70 vehicles on the heavily guarded Jammu-Srinagar highway.

Jammu and Kashmir Governor Satya Pal Malik said there were security lapses and authorities are investigating why such a large convoy, transporting nearly 2,500 security personnel, was on the road.

Additional reporting by Manoj Kumar, Neha Dasgupta ; Editing by Simon Cameron-Moore
 

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#BREAKING: Heavy clashes have broken out between the Indian & Pakistani armies along Line of Contact reports say- @Natsecjeff
 

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US NSA @AmbJohnBolton called up NSA Doval and said:
-US Stands solidly with India
-Strongly condemn the attack that took place in Pulwama
-Perpetrators and their backers should be held accountable
@StateDept @StateDeputySPOX @SushmaSwaraj @ForeignOfficePk
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Ashish Gupta
‏ @2311ashish
3m3 minutes ago

Dear #IndianArmy

I stand with you. Every #Indian citizen stands by you.
Break their bones, peel their skin, tear them apart.

Soon all India will hear this

“How’s the Jaish?
Ans: Dead Sir”


#Breaking #PakTargetsBraves #PulwamaRevenge #PulwamaAttack #IndiaWithMartyrs #IndiaUnited


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4m4 minutes ago

#Breaking | Bodies of soldiers who lost their lives in #PulwamaTerrorAttack yesterday flown to Delhi
 

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mzkitty

I give up.
That looks like Modi in the picture:


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47s48 seconds ago

#BREAKING | #காஷ்மீரில் உயிரிழந்த வீரர்களின் உடலுக்கு டெல்லியில் தலைவர்கள் மலர்வளையம் வைத்து அஞ்சலி செலுத்தினர்.

#CRPFJawans #PulwamaAttack #RIPBraveHearts #PulwamaTerrorAttack #KashmirTerrorAttack #sunnews
 

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Bean Pole

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Look at this pic – I detect a bit of zeal…

Indian PM: Pakistan will pay ‘heavy price’ for Kashmir bombing

Michael Safi in Delhi and Azhar Farooq in Srinagar @safimichael Fri 15 Feb 2019 08.47 EST

Narendra Modi warns of strong response after at least 40 army personnel die in suicide blast

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Indian youth congress activists protest near the Pakistan high commission in New Delhi against the deadly militant attack in Kashmir. Photograph: Rajat Gupta/EPA

India’s prime minister has warned Pakistan it will pay a “heavy price” for a suicide bombing in Kashmir that killed at least 40 paramilitaries on Thursday, the deadliest attack in a 30-year guerrilla war in the region.

Narendra Modi said the “blood of the people is boiling” after a car laden with explosives was detonated beside a convoy carrying 2,500 Indian security personnel on a major highway between the Kashmir and Jammu regions.

No official death toll has been announced but two senior police sources in Kashmir have said at least 40 security personnel died in the blast. The bombing was claimed by the Pakistan-based militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed and immediately sparked calls for retribution against Islamabad from across Indian politics and media.

“Our neighbouring country, which has been isolated internationally, thinks such terror attacks can destabilise use, but their plans will not materialise,” Modi said, telling an audience in Delhi that security forces had been given “complete freedom” to respond.
India’s finance minister, Arun Jaitley, said there was incontrovertible evidence that Pakistan had “a direct hand in this gruesome terrorist incident” and that all diplomatic measures would be taken to isolate the country.

He said Pakistan’s most favoured nation status, a guarantee of equal treatment in trade negotiations, had been revoked – a largely symbolic gesture given the relatively small $2bn bilateral trade relationship between the countries.
The White House urged Pakistan in a statement “to end immediately the support and safe haven provided to all terrorist groups operating on its soil”.

Pakistan’s foreign ministry said it rejected “any insinuation” that it was linked to the attack.

Jaish-e-Mohammed, whose leader Masood Azhar lives freely in Pakistan, was founded in 2000 and has been implicated in several major attacks in India including the bombing of the country’s parliament in 2001. There was a lull in its activity after the 11 September 2001 attacks when the Pakistani government cracked down on the group.

But it has re-emerged in recent years, carrying out attacks in India including on a Punjab state airbase in January 2016, and nine months later, on an army base in Uri near the ceasefire line with Pakistan.

The Uri attack killed 19 and prompted the Indian government to announce it had carried out “surgical strikes” to destroy militant camps inside Pakistan-controlled Kashmir – a measured response that salved public anger without igniting a wider conflict.
Control of the Himalayan region, one of the most militarised places on earth, is divided between India and Pakistan and claimed in full by both. China administers a smaller patch in the east.

A full-blown revolt against Indian control of Kashmir bolstered by Pakistani and Afghani fighters raged throughout the 1990s but waned after negotiations between Delhi and Islamabad.

It has been replaced by a low-level insurgency waged largely by young Kashmiris disillusioned with India’s failure to accommodate popular calls for greater autonomy or independence for the region.

Thursday’s attacker was identified as Adil Ahmad Dar, 20, a mason who joined the militancy in March last year. In a video released after the attack, Dar said he was avenging human rights violations and warned that more killing would follow.

Both the ruling Bharatiya Janata party and the main opposition Congress cancelled all political events on Friday. Indians will vote in general elections starting in April, increasing the pressure on Modi to find a carefully calibrated response.

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-heavy-price-kashmir-bombing?CMP=share_btn_tw
 

Bean Pole

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EndGameWW3
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4m4 minutes ago

FLASH: The Indian Prime Minister has given security forces free rein to respond to the militant attack. India is directly blaming Pakistan of orchestrating the bombing - NY Times
 

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India: Punjab Chief Minister Amarinder Singh on Friday called for giving a befitting reply to Pakistan for the attack on CRPF soldiers in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama by terror group Jaish-e-Mohammad, saying "the time for peace talks is over and they should be taught a lesson.
12:00 PM · Feb 15, 2019 ·
 

bw

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Before Gandhi’s martyrdom, and before he received the title Mahatma (great soul), he prophesied that any partition of India would magnify the historic discord and suspicion between Muslims and Hindus in South Asia.

Religious partition has the same effect as establishing X-studies (women's studies, black studies, etc) in schools. Those who should be pressed into communication go off by themselves and seethe together.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Um............ visions of dungeons and racks are now in my head. *shudder*


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#BREAKING : #KASHMIR : Police In J&K Arrested Seven Suspected Islamist Terrorist From Pulwama For Interrogation Suspects Are Beleived To Be Involved In Providing Explosive Material To JEM Islamist Terrorist Who Carried Out Terror Attack On CRPF Convoy Yesterday.
 

Bean Pole

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Pakistani terrorists made a big mistake: Modi

Indian PM says Jaish-e-Mohammed will pay a heavy price for attack on police convoy that killed over 40

BySaikat Datta, New Delhi, February 15, 2019

A car-bomb attack in Kashmir on Thursday afternoon killed at least 44 Indian police and left many more injured. Officials said a suicide bomber drove a car laden with explosives into a bus that was part of a huge convoy of more than 2,500 police.
A Pakistan-based terror group, Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), claimed responsibility for the atrocity and quickly uploaded a video of the alleged suicide bomber, Indian authorities said.

There was an angry reaction to the atrocity in New Delhi, which Prime Minister Narendra Modi described as “despicable”, with fingers pointed at Pakistan. The government has withdrawn the ‘Most Favored Nation’ status accorded to its neighbor years ago and further retaliatory moves cannot be ruled out.

“I want to tell the terrorist groups and their masters that they have committed a big mistake. They have to pay a heavy price,” Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said after an emergency cabinet meeting. “If our neighboring country thinks that it will succeed in creating instability through such acts and conspiracies in our country, they should stop dreaming.”

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said: “The Most Favored Nation status stands withdrawn and the Ministry of Commerce will issue the formal notification. India will make all available efforts to ensure Pakistan is isolated.”

Attacker and alleged mastermind named

Adil Ahmad Dar, a 22-year-old JeM operative has been identified as the man who carried out the attack. The JeM uploaded a video of Dar speaking about the impending attack. Indian security officials are now trying to trace the location where the video was uploaded.
But Indian security officials are zeroing in on Azhar’s elder brother Ibrahim as the key planner behind the bomb attack on Saint Valentine’s Day.They believe that this is a retaliatory attack after his 18-year-old son Usman, was killed by Indian security forces in October last year. Masood Azhar released a statement after Usman’s death vowing revenge against India. Incidentally, Ibrahim was also the lead hijacker of an Indian commercial flight in 1999, that led to Masood Azhar’s release.

Indian intelligence has long been hunting Maulana Masood Azhar, the chief of the JeM. Azhar was arrested by Indian security forces in 1994 while operating in the Kashmir Valley. In 1999, he was released in exchange for 180 passengers on board Indian Airlines flight IC 814. The flight was hijacked from Kathmandu, Nepal, and then taken to Taliban-controlled Kandahar. Azhar was one of three designated terrorists released in exchange for the hostages by the government of prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee. One of the hijackers who used the code name “Burger” was later identified as his elder brother Ibrahim. He is also believed to be in Bhawalpur along with Masood Azhar.
Jaish-e-Mohammed has carried out a series of terror strikes since then, including one in December 2001, that almost led to war. JeM terrorists attacked India’s Parliament and the Vajpayee government mobilized the Indian army, which led to a nine-month standoff. While war did not break out between the two nuclear-armed South Asian neighbors, Pakistan’s then-president, General Pervez Musharraf, agreed to a ceasefire on the Line of Control after the US pressured him to accept India’s demand for a cessation of violence. In October 2001, the JeM was also accused of a car bomb attack on Kashmir’s local parliament that left 38 killed.

Masood Azhar has reportedly been suffering from renal failure for almost two years and was housed in a Pakistani military hospital in Rawalpindi till last year, sources in India’s security establishment told Asia Times. It is believed that he has since returned to Bhawalpur in Pakistan, but allegedly continues to depend on regular rounds of dialysis from the local military authorities. India has been pressing the UN to designate Azhar as a global terrorist, but China has vetoed such moves on three occasions since 2016.

Indian security officials posted in the Kashmir Valley have also been demanding the use of helicopters to ferry officers trapped due to inclement weather. However, Home Affairs officials have denied permission for this. Security officials on the ground told Asia Times that the lack of helicopters made them more vulnerability to attacks. “Had helicopters been made available to troops then this could perhaps have been avoided.

This is not the main cause and we do have a massive intelligence failure. But this could have probably saved lives,” a senior security official said.

The rhetoric trap

The car-bombing on Thursday is the biggest terror attack in nearly three decades. It comes at a time when India is heading into one of its most important general elections in decades. Modi heads India’s first majority government since the mid-80s. In the run-up to the 2014 election he campaigned on taking tough action against Pakistan and China.

In September 2016, a terror attack by the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba led to the death of 19 Indian soldiers. On September 29, Indian Special Forces carried out retaliatory raids that were described as “surgical strikes”. These were trumpeted during campaigning by the ruling BJP for elections held recently in Uttar Pradesh, India’s largest state.

A fictional film based on the “surgical strikes” was released this year, leading to high rhetoric. Cabinet ministers began to use key lines from the film during parliamentary speeches and election rallies in a bid to cash in on its propaganda value. Modi was being projected as a “tough leader”, whose defeat in 2019 could “throw the country into chaos”, they claimed. However, the latest attack has undermined that propaganda and suggests the government’s policy on Kashmir is flawed (see link below).

Indeed, the last five years have seen the highest levels of violence and the highest number of security officials killed in Kashmir. Official figures submitted in Parliament earlier this month show that while 47 were killed in 2014, while the death toll last year rose to 91.

Lack of security reforms

The absence of security reforms over the last five years has been given as a key cause for the latest security lapse. Experts say the last time India undertook major reforms was after the Kargil war with Pakistan in 1999. Since then, incremental changes were made after the Mumbai terror attacks in late 2008. However, India’s key intelligence agencies, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) and the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) have been mired in controversies. Last year, a fracas in the Central Bureau of Investigation saw a key senior intelligence official dealing with Pakistan named in a corruption complaint. However, no effort was taken by the government to either remove him or set up an inquiry.

The lack of credible special forces and special operations capabilities has also haunted the government for years. While there were reports of setting up a Special Operations Division along the lines of the US Special Operations Command, nothing substantial
came of this idea. India’s defense budget allocation this year is also the lowest since 1962, when India lost a war with China.
Meanwhile, Pakistan has officially denied any role in yesterday’s attack and must now be under pressure to take a harder line against terror groups on its soil, as many countries have spoken out against the latest atrocity. “The US condemns in the strongest terms the terrorist attack today on an Indian Central Reserve Police Force convoy in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir,” a State Department spokesman said in an official statement.

Link: https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/02/article/pakistan-terror-group-claims-kashmir-car-bomb/
 

byronandkathy2003

Veteran Member
Jaish-e Mohamed detonated an 800lb car bomb in the middle of a convoy of troops headed home on leave from Jammu/Kashmir in northern India. At least 44 killed and at least 35 in extremely critical condition, and many still missing.

Sentiment in India running very high against Pakistan, with calls for war everywhere. The Prime Minister has so far only made a token response, and looks very weak. Making this worse is that India is only a couple of months away from their national election.

This has a chance of spiraling out of control if Modi feels the need to make himself look tough, or if he listens to the hotheads.

can some one explain to me how they know it was a 800 pound bomb ??.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
And of course, the Pakis on Twitter are all screaming about what India has done to them. It's never-ending. "Jaw-breaking" sounds really scary though.

:eek:

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The beginning of a spiral. A deadly bombing provokes a crisis between India and Pakistan


India’s prime minister has promised a “jaw-breaking response” to the killing of 40 Indian paramilitary police

Feb 15th 2019

A HUGE CAR bomb struck a convoy of paramilitary police in Indian-administered Kashmir on February 14th, killing at least 40 paramilitary police. The suicide attack, claimed by a Pakistan-based Islamist terror group, was the deadliest single blow to Indian security forces since the start of unrest in Kashmir 30 years ago.

Amid public outrage in India, and with national elections approaching in April, Narendra Modi, India’s prime minister, has promised a “jaw-breaking response”. Having boosted his nationalist credentials by ordering retaliatory “surgical strikes” across the Pakistani border following a similar attack in 2016, Mr Modi will be pressed to react even more harshly this time. Chronically tense relations between India and Pakistan, both nuclear-armed states, appear headed towards a dangerous showdown.

Indian officials were quick to underline Pakistan’s links to Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM), the group that claimed responsibility for the attack. Its leader, Masood Azhar, “has been given full freedom by the government of Pakistan...to carry out attacks in India and elsewhere with impunity,” declared a statement from India’s foreign ministry. Many Indians have also expressed anger with China, which has repeatedly blocked Indian efforts to get Mr Azhar included on the UN Security Council’s list of designated terrorists. Pakistan, a close ally of China, condemned the attack but in the same breath rejected “insinuations” of any link to the Pakistani state.

Those links are not hard to find, however. Mr Azhar has a long history of involvement in terrorism. His group has been particularly active in Kashmir, a territory that ended up divided following the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, but which both countries claim. Freed from an Indian prison in a hostage swap that ended a hijacking in 1999, Mr Azhar soon after addressed a crowd of 10,000 people in the Pakistani city of Karachi. Although JeM has often struck just when Indo-Pakistani relations were improving—as in its attacks in 2001 on India’s parliament building and in 2016 on two Indian military bases—Pakistani authorities have repeatedly released Mr Azhar after brief spells in detention. In 2014 he publicly announced a “resumption of jihad” in Kashmir, and in 2016 he inaugurated a grand new headquarters in his hometown of Bahawalpur, from where he last year announced a speaking tour around Pakistan.

Indian police say that although JeM had been virtually wiped out in Kashmir by 2015, it has recently rebuilt its network and overtaken two rival Pakistan-backed groups, Hizbul Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba, in the pace of its attacks. This week’s car bombing marked a significant escalation. Estimates put the size of the bomb at a hefty 350kg, enough to leave nothing except tangled undercarriages of the SUV carrying the device and its objective, a bus that was part of a lumbering 78-vehicle military convoy ferrying some 2,500 conscripts from the Central Reserve Police Force. The bomber was identified in a video as a 22-year-old youth from a nearby village.

All this indicates that despite India’s heavy security presence, and a fierce campaign against militants that has left 20 dead so far this year, JeM was able to recruit locally and to construct and deploy a sophisticated bomb, as well as to plan and execute a deadly attack on an obvious target. Although initial responses in India have focused on grief for the fallen and anger with Pakistan, some have pointed to intelligence lapses, as well as policy choices that have failed to address the underlying problems of Kashmir.

Violence has ebbed and flowed in the densely populated Kashmir Valley, a Muslim-majority region of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, since Pakistani-backed separatist militants took up arms in 1988. Massive deployments of Indian forces and pressure on Pakistan, plus efforts to woo the valley back into mainstream politics, had slowly dampened tensions. By 2012 the number of people killed each year had fallen from more than 4,000 at its peak to below 150. But since the election of Mr Modi in 2014, his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has pursued a get-tough policy that, far from calming the region, has provoked rising unrest.

The annual number of “terror-related incidents” in the state rose by 177% between 2014 and 2018, according to police statistics. The death toll of security forces increased by 94%, to 91 last year. Perhaps more tellingly, police estimates of the number of active insurgents in the area have also risen, despite the killing of more than 800 of them over the past five years, and despite the fact that infiltration from Pakistan has slowed. The rise in local recruitment, say analysts, in part reflects resentment against harsh policing methods. Police routinely quell stone-throwing crowds with shotguns. Although the pellets these fire are usually not lethal, they have left hundreds with impaired eyesight and other with severe injuries.

Kashmiri resentment also reflects disillusionment with Indian politics. Last year Mr Modi’s BJP pulled out of a coalition to topple the elected state government, and then imposed direct rule from Delhi. Adding to unhappiness in the Kashmir Valley, freezing temperatures this winter have been accompanied by lengthy power cuts—in a state that exports hydro-electricity to the rest of India. Wiser heads would argue that winning hearts and minds in Kashmir is just as important as getting tough with Pakistan. But the vast majority of Indians have little time for nuance just now.

https://www.economist.com/asia/2019...utm_campaign=Daily_Dispatch&utm_term=20190215
 

Doomer Doug

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On all the lists I've seen about when, who and where a nuclear exchange actually happens always list Pakistan/India, and over Kashmir.

If all we get out of this is heavy bombing of Pakistani positions next to Kashmir, or even over the border Indian military deployments, up to the DIVISIONAL LEVEL, we can count ourselves blessed.

India is sure Pakistan was behind this attack. India will respond to this attack in a military fashion. Like the hotel attack on Mumbai, things are going to get real serious on the Indian/Pakistan front over the next few days.

And yes, we are now at the level where a platoon, either Pakistan, or India, can get into it, over another incident, and along a different part of the border and things will light up everywhere.

If it was actually an 800 pound bomb then it wasn't a "car bomb," but more likely a truck bomb. 800 pounds of C-4 is more than enough to kill dozens of people. When you add all of this to the Revolutionary Guards getting killed the other day, you have chaos from Iran to Kashmir.

Like I have said, 2019 is going to be an interesting year.
 

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And then there's the muzzie side of it:

I would say this is a violent picture too, considering what was done to her:
 

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From the article: An Indian military response to this incident is therefore almost assured.

Pulwama Attack: Pakistan Has Miscalculated India’s Resolve Yet Again

India has a range of options available to it.

By Rohan Joshi February 15, 2019

Yesterday’s terrorist attack on India’s Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) personnel in the state of Jammu and Kashmir was one of the deadliest in recent years. While a definitive account of the number of casualties is as yet unavailable, multiple Indian news sources place the death toll in excess of 30. As of this writing, the Associated Press was reporting 41 deaths. The militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), which is patronized by Pakistan’s army and acts as its proxy, has claimed responsibility for the attack.

The JeM is an anti-India, anti-Shia Deobandi group founded in 2000 by Masood Azhar as an offshoot of the militant group Harakat ul-Mujahideen. It operates – openly – out of Bahawalpur, in Pakistan’s Punjab province, from its Markaz Usman-o-Ali headquarters. The group has a love-hate relationship with the Pakistani Army, but has a confluence of views with the army on India.

The attack appears to have been timed to test the resolve of India’s leadership and of Prime Minister Narendra Modi at a time when he and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) are in the midst of a contentious election season.


It is also possible that Pakistan, now in the belief of its own indispensability in the Afghanistan “peace” process, is willing to test just what it can get away with without the risk of being put in the doghouse as it was after the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Pakistan has been disposed to miscalculating its importance and position on previous occasions and it is possible that it is has done so again.

Modi is known for what some describe as a hardline position on Pakistan. Since taking office in 2014, his government has sought to isolate Pakistan diplomatically for its continued use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy. When militants, also from JeM, carried out an attack on Indian Army personnel in 2016, Modi’s government responded with a special forces operation across the Line of Control against terrorist launch pads that caused significant casualties, according to Indian media accounts.

Indeed, Modi’s government has shown the willingness and ability to pursue militant targets across India’s territorial borders. In June 2015, it authorized a cross-border assault against militant camps in Myanmar in response to an attack on an Indian Army convoy earlier that month.

Modi and his party today are in the middle of a gruelling campaign season, with the country’s general elections scheduled for later this year. Any cross-border military operation, particularly one where the targets are based in and receive support from a nuclear-armed neighbor, carries with it the risk of failure, or worse, of uncontrollable escalation. Does Modi’s government have the appetite for such risk? The Pakistani Army, through its proxies, appears to be putting Modi to test.

But Indian public opinion since the 2008 Mumbai attacks has turned decisively toward demanding action from its elected representatives against Pakistan’s use of terrorism against India. Between not doing anything and launching a general war against Pakistan, Modi has tactical options available that can both assuage public calls for justice and persuade Pakistan of India’s resolve and retaliatory capabilities, election or no election. An Indian military response to this incident is therefore almost assured. What isn’t known is how it will do so and when.

However, regardless of what form India’s immediate response to Pakistan takes, New Delhi’s short- to mid-term objective should be to impose significant costs on Pakistan for its continued support of terrorist groups in general and this attack in particular.
Pakistan’s economy has been teetering on the precipice for some time. The majority of Pakistan’s foreign currency reserves today are in the form of deposits made by Saudi Arabia and the UAE in recent months and loans provided by China. Neither of these artificial attempts to inflate Pakistan’s foreign currency reserves should comfort Islamabad. The country’s exports are decreasing while imports increase, resulting in the depletion of its foreign currency reserves. Adding to these woes, Pakistan’s economy is managed by leaders patently unqualified to salvage the country from an impending monumental economic crisis.

India must therefore use its diplomatic leverage to ensure that it hits Pakistan’s ability to shore up its depleted foreign currency reserves and its attempts to attract the foreign investment it desperately needs.

To this end, New Delhi should move with haste and in coordination with friends and partners to seal Pakistan’s fate at the Financial Action Task Force, whose meeting is scheduled for next week in Paris. India should also impress upon its friends that sanctioning an IMF loan to this rogue actor at this time would be to reward its unacceptable behavior.

Further, India should visibly seek clarity from China on its continued diplomatic cover to a terrorist group that just massacred 30 Indian security personnel. Finally, New Delhi should use Mohammed bin Salman’s impending visit to India to employ the Kingdom’s leverage to lean on Pakistan, given the reported Saudi investments being considered in Pakistan.

Link: https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/pulwama-attack-pakistan-has-miscalculated-indias-resolve-yet-again/
 

Doc1

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can some one explain to me how they know it was a 800 pound bomb ??.

I have no idea who in the Indian establishment came up with the figure, but explosives experts can tell with a reasonable degree of certainty how large a bomb was and even what type of explosive was used. They do this by measuring the blast radius and the effects on materials the explosive produced. Lastly, they can use chemical residue to identify the explosive. As a simple example, hi velocity high explosives can cleanly cut steel, whereas low explosives (like black powder) can't do that. Also, high explosives have different "brisance" or shattering characteristics.

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