INTL India - China border crisis (Main Thread)

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According to India Today, India is exploring all types of military options as a response if Chinese aggression continues. Some options being discussed are special operations to push the Chinese back from Pangong Lake or continue a military build-up at other sectors along the LAC.

Sources to TOI have said that there has been no disengagement and de-escalation on the ground, Indian forces are in a wait-and-watch mode. 12,000 Indian soldiers with other weapon systems (like the M-777 ultra-light howitzers) have been concentrated in the DBO-Depsang sector.

According to Indian Express, China is constructing a helipad at Finger 4 (LAC loc) and have successfully constructed shelters, pillboxes and bunkers on the bank and ridgeline. PLA troops have suddenly increased their presence on the southern banks of Pangong Tso.
 

danielboon

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Satellite images show buildup on disputed India-China border
By SAM MCNEIL and EMILY SCHMALLtoday


BEIJING (AP) — Construction activity appeared underway on both the Indian and Chinese sides of a contested border high in the Karakoram mountains a week after a deadly clash in the area left 20 Indian soldiers dead, satellite images showed.
The images released this week by Maxar, a Colorado-based satellite imagery company, show new construction activity along the Galwan River Valley, even as Chinese and Indian diplomats said military commanders had agreed to disengage from a standoff there.
The images appeared to show that the Indians had built a wall on their side and the Chinese had expanded an outpost camp at the end of a long road connected to Chinese military bases farther from the poorly defined border, according to experts.



The contradictions in words and deeds showed the fragility of an agreement following the worst violence since the Asian giants went to war in 1962 over their competing claims to the arid border region, experts said.
China has said that India first changed the status quo last August when it split the state of Jammu and Kashmir into two federal territories — the territory of Jammu and Kashmir and the territory of Ladakh, parts of which are contested by China.
The new maps released by India following the move drew criticism from Beijing because they showed Aksai Chin — an area administered by China but contested by India — as part of Ladakh.
Indian officials said the standoff that culminated in this month’s deadly clash in the Galwan Valley, part of a remote stretch of the 3,380-kilometer (2,100-mile) Line of Actual Control, or LAC, established following the 1962 war, began in early May when large contingents of Chinese soldiers entered deep inside Indian-controlled territory at three places in Ladakh, erecting tents.
After a few skirmishes in May, Indian and Chinese commanders met June 6 to hash out an agreement that would reduce tensions.
The two sides agreed to build observation posts on either side of the mouth of the Galwan River, China’s ambassador to India, H.E. Sun Weidong, told the Press Trust of India news agency on Tuesday.
Indian foreign ministry spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said that during the June 6 meeting “both sides had agreed to respect and abide by the LAC and not undertake any activity to alter the status quo,” but did not address whether they had agreed to observation posts.
Around midnight on June 15, soldiers attacked each other with rocks, clubs and their fists in the Galwan Valley, the deadliest violence between the two countries in 45 years.


Indian security officials said the fatalities were caused by severe injuries and exposure to subfreezing temperatures. China has not said whether it suffered any casualties in the clash.
India and China have blamed each other for the melee and staked fresh claims on the area where it occurred.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said Wednesday that the confrontation occurred on China’s side of the Line of Actual Control, and that Indian forces had illegally entered Chinese territory.
“The responsibility (for the incident) is entirely not on the Chinese side,” Zhao said.
But Srivastava said Thursday that China had provoked the fight when its soldiers “sought to erect structures just across the LAC” on the Indian side. He said Indian soldiers foiled the attempts.
However, a sequence of Maxar images of the river bend where the clash occurred in the weeks before and after the clash showed that construction had expanded up the Galwan Valley toward the Line of Actual Control from Chinese bases, Maxar vice president Steve Wood said.
Wood said that since May 22, satellite images showed “convoy after convoy of heavy trucks, diggers, bulldozers and some military armored equipment” rolling down the Galwan Valley toward the disputed border.
Before and after the fatal clash, China was moving construction equipment, soldiers and military hardware toward the LAC, said Chris Biggers, senior analyst at the geospatial intelligence company HawkEye 360.
“The Chinese were obviously pushing toward the junction and what they perceive as their claim line. They have now built a post and a track reinforcing their claim, thus changing the status quo in the area,” he said.
At that junction, the Galwan River turns west toward an important supply route for a key Indian airfield. Biggers said that satellite imagery shows that India has built a stone wall there facing the new Chinese post, with a layered set of barriers draped in camouflage netting and tarps that “could also function as fighting positions.”
“We also see quite a bit of activity on the road, with trucks moving in both directions as well as troops marching in formation along the new track,” Biggers said


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Squid

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The PLA is kind of like the obnoxious neighbor who nobody really likes but they have flashy new cars and all kinds of money so people kind of hate but envy them.

Then they start building a new garage on India’s property and India says hey wait a minute fellow. There is a fistfight and the PLA says we don’t want any violence here let’s just accept my new garage on what we now call my land and live as great neighbors.

Until they need some more land for the fancy new garden shed. At some point if you don’t burn it to the ground even the law may consider the garage on their property. So its time for India to either put up and stand their ground or just bow low as you back away.
 

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Yeah....this is primed for a not so "cold start" opener. From India's stand point it has to consider all actions taken by Pakistan and the PRC as being coordinated. So two on one with all parties having nukes with the necessary reach added to mutual derision towards each other doesn't bode well.
Couldn't agree more
 

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Update: India believes the U.S. will help with any conflict with China but is willing to go on its own if need be.
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Update: New Delhi expressed it would now match the Chinese build-up at the border. This is in direct response to huge numbers of troops amassing on the Chinese side.

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Update India-China: Indian military is deployed in air, land and at sea with submarines patrolling the deep ocean and ready for any deterrent action according to Hindustan Times.
 

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Update: India believes the U.S. will help with any conflict with China but is willing to go on its own if need be.
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Update: New Delhi expressed it would now match the Chinese build-up at the border. This is in direct response to huge numbers of troops amassing on the Chinese side.

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Update India-China: Indian military is deployed in air, land and at sea with submarines patrolling the deep ocean and ready for any deterrent action according to Hindustan Times.
MERDE.....
 

jward

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India-China row: India moves missile system into Ladakh
India moves air defense missile system into Ladakh sector following increased fighter aircraft activities by China in region
Cheena Kapoor | 27.06.2020



India-China row: India moves missile system into Ladakh






NEW DELHI, India
India on Saturday deployed advanced quick-reaction surface-to-air missile defense systems, called Akash, on its borders with China in the northern Himalayan region of Ladakh.
The deployment comes after the Chinese side was increasing fighter aircraft and helicopter activities along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), de facto border of India and China in the disputed region of Jammu and Kashmir.
“As part of the ongoing build-up in the sector, the air defense systems of both Indian Army and the Indian Air Force have been deployed in the sector to prevent any misadventure by the Chinese Air Force fighter jets or the People’s Liberation Army choppers there,” confirmed government sources to a local news agency.

Akash is a medium-range mobile surface-to-air missile defense system indigenously developed by the Defense Research and Development Organization in the country.
The deployment comes even as India and China are holding rounds of discussion to de-escalate the situation at the LAC.
On Monday, the Indian Army also allowed the holding corps to use firearms at the Line of Actual Control, in "extraordinary circumstances".

“There is no change in the rules as such. Our side will only react to provocations and in case of extraordinary circumstances,” Lt. Gen. Vinod Bhatia, the former Indian director--general of the military operations, told Anadolu Agency earlier.
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Oreally

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Jesus, this could go hot at any time from this second.

for ex, ccp pilot get disoriented, overflies "india" and gets shot at...
 

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India just moved in 3 divisions. An Indian Army division is intermediate between a corps and a brigade. Each division is headed by a General Officer Commanding (GOC) holding the rank of major general. It usually consists of 15,000 combat troops and 8,000 support elements

Update: So by my estimate India just moved in 45,000 more combat troops and 24,000 support troops.
 

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India just moved in 3 divisions. An Indian Army division is intermediate between a corps and a brigade. Each division is headed by a General Officer Commanding (GOC) holding the rank of major general. It usually consists of 15,000 combat troops and 8,000 support elements

Update: So by my estimate India just moved in 45,000 more combat troops and 24,000 support troops.
War is coming no doubt
 

jward

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This article refuses to load for me, but looks "interesting" in that way watching a trainwreck is "interesting" :eek: .. . ..
So, if we're seeing sides being picked for WWiii, how does Russia end up on the other side when they're supporting India in this? Or did I dream this up? Maybe this is why they were running those Russia's paying to have US af killed articles last week? Interesting to see if the recent "blow up" in Tehran related. Guess it must be, all the same circus, just smaller side rings? Dunno. Still need a big chalk board to make sense of all that's going on, and in the wings, fixin' to start goin' on...


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US, Japan, India, Australia & ASEAN To Join Hands To Counter A ‘Belligerent’ China
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1277088758987448320?s=20
 
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