cornanj
Senior Member
It's simply JohnGalt showing his true colors. It's amazing all that this election is exposing.
GLOATFEST #1: Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now
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It's simply JohnGalt showing his true colors. It's amazing all that this election is exposing.
That's strange - everybody I know supports him.
Cruz lost a lot of support with us when he would not stand with Trump on his anti muslim comment.
The fact that anybody would still support Cruz after that is scary.
I disagree. John was a solid Trump supporter, until Trump did some things that made him reassess. I must admit that some of Trump's actions recently have caused me to reexamine my support, but so far, I'm still on board the Trump train.
But I'm watchng him closely...
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
At birth, he qualified to get citizenship, should his mother fill out the appropriate forms with the US Embassy.
But natural born citizens don't have to fill out anything. Those of us who are natural born citizens of this country. Are born to two parents who are citizens, and born on the soil of the country. There can be no question as to where our citizenship lies. We don't have citizenship in any other country. We only have citizenship in the country of our birth. No special paperwork to be filled out to ensure that we get US citizenship. Because there is no doubt as to where our citizenship is.
Cruz simply doesn't qualify for this. He qualified to obtain US citizenship, but he did not get it at birth. He qualified to get Cuban citizenship as well. The only citizenship he was born with, was Canadian.
Cruz is not who he pretends to be in his speeches. He's a snake in the grass. Why anybody would want to look past his Canadian birth to put him in the office is beyond me.
cornanj
Senior Member
I understand. But JG is not looking at Cruz with the same level of scrutiny.
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
CNN predicting Ted Cruz winner of the Iowa Poll!
Yes Lord! Please, PLEASE let it be!
PLEASE let those numbers hold so Iowa will continue their 31 year losing streak of NOT picking a president so that Cruz can be yet another Iowa winner who goes on to gain no more ground in any other states that will either go on to become another Fox news contributor or just fade away. Please let the Iowa "winner voodoo" stay stuck on Cruz and avoid Donald Trump.
Please let Iowans once again have TRULY picked with their "whose the most Christian" guidelines in order that Trump may go on to win the election. Amen!
Wrong. George Bush won Iowa in 2000
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
Not much surprising here at all. Trump has never led in Iowa and second place is about as good as he could expected with Cruz and Rubio in the race with full party apparatus backing.
The Donald does not make off the cuff mistakes or un-calculated moves as some would love to think. His skipping the debate shows how much he was worried about losing in Iowa. I wouid gut guess he knew the numbers going into the vote and not showing up may have hurt him 2-3% which in Iowa and helped him elsewhere in the country.
What is surprising is Rubio's performance. Makes you wonder if he benefited the most from the 3000 plus Democrat and Independent voters who signed up as Repubs to vote in this caucus?
Iowa does not pick many winners. Trump is in for fight period as quirky little states like NH are likely to try and torpedo his success. A nationally strong candidate is all I care about in this election period.
The GOP Elite can crow all they want tonight but bear in mind they put forth McCain and Romney against the most unqualified Marxist (aside from Hillary) in US history. Something to ponder.
Cruz as I said weeks ago has cultivated the R.W. Fundamentalist Nutter to the tee in Texas and Iowa but he has no elect-ability nationally nor was he ever intended to as it would be an anathema to his true-believer following. What is being crowed about here as a strength tonight is going to become a huge liability soon as the race moves elsewhere...
On the tin foil side of things I would prefer globalist nut jobs like Bill Gates and Soros et al did not get to count our votes anymore. It is unnecessary and too much like the Wolf counting the chickens in the coop for the farmer...
What the heck do you mean, Trump never led in Iowa. He was ahead in every poll that has come out. I have never seen so many sore losers in my entire life.
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DannyBoy
Veteran Member
I am, and you have a point. He turned out OK...
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now
re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
Well, we haven't been that during my lifetime and I'm over 50 now. That being said most of us here realize that this is all re-arranging the deck chairs on the USS Titanic. The die has already been cast and it's simply too late. I would only caution not to invest too much emotional capital in this process as the results aren't going to make a tinker's damn worth of a difference.
The thing about Trump and to a lessor extent Cruz is that they make the establishment squirm and that in itself is worth the price of admission. With Cruz however you might as well put a turnstile on the border with Mexico and pave the way for the North American Union. Not only that but his father's declaration that he is anointed to 'rule' is frankly creepy and he has never distanced himself from that and he's also beholden to big money.
It is what it is. I'd just make sure that on a personal basis all our ducks are in a row regardless what happens during this process as in the long run it won't make much difference if any.
re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
Well, we haven't been that during my lifetime and I'm over 50 now. That being said most of us here realize that this is all re-arranging the deck chairs on the USS Titanic. The die has already been cast and it's simply too late. I would only caution not to invest too much emotional capital in this process as the results aren't going to make a tinker's damn worth of a difference.
The thing about Trump and to a lessor extent Cruz is that they make the establishment squirm and that in itself is worth the price of admission. With Cruz however you might as well put a turnstile on the border with Mexico and pave the way for the North American Union. Not only that but his father's declaration that he is anointed to 'rule' is frankly creepy and he has never distanced himself from that and he's also beholden to big money.
It is what it is. I'd just make sure that on a personal basis all our ducks are in a row regardless what happens during this process as in the long run it won't make much difference if any.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
I couldn't possibly care any less about this pitiful circus of power grubbing sycophants. It won't matter who "wins the election" The plan is in place, the die is cast and total FUBAR on every possible level is rapidly approaching. No one can stop it, no one.There is but one consolation...
^^^ here is wisdom ^^^
In the clear light of day, the most interesting result for me is what happened with Rubio. He won over a LOT of votes from somebody in just the past few days. Looks to me like he took more votes from Trump than from Cruz - and that probably has left the Trump camp not getting much sleep last night.
It's easy to over-analyze these things though. As I've been repeating for months, at this early stage, events can turn on a dime.
It's easy to over-analyze these things though. As I've been repeating for months, at this early stage, events can turn on a dime.
gawarriorqueen
WWG1WGA
If I remember correctly, Reagan lost in Iowa but went on to win the other primaries and the general election. Iowa, in present day politics, is not that big a seal, just the first of many.
Zoner
Veteran Member
I'm voting for anyone who runs against Hitlery, but that said, among the repubs, I'm looking for someone who can reach the Almighty in prayer and be heard. Above everything else, I don't care if someone can build a wall or make deals or is an insideoutsider, if the next leader does not know how to pray to God and be heard the US is toast within a year. And Kris can add that to his prediction collection.
BetterLateThanNever
Veteran Member
I am enjoying the banter both playful and not so much on this thread by my fellow TBer’s.
Reading through the 90 plus posts, I have wanted to jump in and state my case but have decided not to do so.
In my real life I don’t get into any political arguments anymore because it is like pissing in the wind and I do agree that being a liberal is a mental condition.
Back in November I purchased a nice oak dining room suite from a guy that lives way out west of town.
Looked over the furniture and was satisfied and paid the man his asking price. We hit it off and talked politics for 5-6 hours. I had to make 5 trips to move it all and each time we sat on his porch, had a few beers and talked for 5-6 hours talking about politics and life in general.
We agreed on about everything except he was rooting for Cruz and I’m rooting for Trump.
Yesterday I went over to see him as I still had a couple of his moving blankets that I had used back in November.
Had another 5 hour talkathon and touched on politics, the economy, the world etc. Anytime he would start with “the thing I don’t like about Trump” …..I would steer the conversation to “can you believe what the muslims are doing in Europe” etc.
I realize that I am not going to change his mind no matter what facts I throw out about Cruz and I know he's not going to change my mind about Trump.
I look at the posts here and realize that not many people are going to be swayed by other opinions.
Reading through the 90 plus posts, I have wanted to jump in and state my case but have decided not to do so.
In my real life I don’t get into any political arguments anymore because it is like pissing in the wind and I do agree that being a liberal is a mental condition.
Back in November I purchased a nice oak dining room suite from a guy that lives way out west of town.
Looked over the furniture and was satisfied and paid the man his asking price. We hit it off and talked politics for 5-6 hours. I had to make 5 trips to move it all and each time we sat on his porch, had a few beers and talked for 5-6 hours talking about politics and life in general.
We agreed on about everything except he was rooting for Cruz and I’m rooting for Trump.
Yesterday I went over to see him as I still had a couple of his moving blankets that I had used back in November.
Had another 5 hour talkathon and touched on politics, the economy, the world etc. Anytime he would start with “the thing I don’t like about Trump” …..I would steer the conversation to “can you believe what the muslims are doing in Europe” etc.
I realize that I am not going to change his mind no matter what facts I throw out about Cruz and I know he's not going to change my mind about Trump.
I look at the posts here and realize that not many people are going to be swayed by other opinions.
I find it hard to believe that Trump supporters would go to Rubio due to his stance on immigration. If anything, they would go to Cruz. I think Hillary's supporters crossed over to Rubio and she almost lost to Bernie because of it.
NoDandy
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Agree. I am about at the same point
Outofmydepth
Just don't
The biggest losers from last night were all the pollsters. Epic fail that few are talking about. Not sure who pays them, but if I were one of their patrons, I'd say in Donald fashion, "You're fired!"
SquonkHunter
Geezer (ret.)
Didn't Ronald Reagan skip the last debate before Iowa, and lose Iowa too in 1980?
Yes.
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In all honesty Iowa is less then meaningless anymore. It's a pretty liberal state more concerned about ethanol than anything else.
Just to show that this "Record" turnout is a bunch of crap , there are 3.1 million people in Iowa. 190,000 (+/-) voted. Not a big percentage.
New Hampshire and SC are the true tests for any candidate anymore.
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In all honesty Iowa is less then meaningless anymore. It's a pretty liberal state more concerned about ethanol than anything else.
Just to show that this "Record" turnout is a bunch of crap , there are 3.1 million people in Iowa. 190,000 (+/-) voted. Not a big percentage.
New Hampshire and SC are the true tests for any candidate anymore.
Outofmydepth
Just don't
Perhaps only Glenn Beck's listeners can fully appreciate how "all-in" Beck is for Ted Cruz. His show has become a virtual arm of the Cruz campaign and he actively campaigned for Cruz in Iowa. I say more power to him. Most of you will remain in denial about this, but no one will convince me that Beck was not a HUGE factor in Iowa. If I'm right about that... and I am... Beck is far from being a "failed" talk show host, as Trump has characterized him. Poetic justice at its finest.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Now that I read public urinals have been installed at the train station in San Francisco for all to see, who won Iowa seems so......small.
OH nasty...fer real? Californication strikes again. They must have contests to see who can come up with most lewd, crude, and morally bankrupt ideas.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
We now briefly interrupt this busy thread for a pertinent, relevant interlude.
Ok, back to the regularly scheduled thread...please carry on!
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may all be well
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Thunderbird
Veteran Member
One thing about JGF, he is so gracious, such a gentleman.
Be Well
may all be well
Sooner or later, everyone shows what they're made of.
Lavender
Veteran Member
Well actually, the open-air urinals are in San Francisco's Dolores Park, where the MUNI trains pass by in full view.OH nasty...fer real? Californication strikes again. They must have contests to see who can come up with most lewd, crude, and morally bankrupt ideas.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Also, Huckabee won in 2008 and we all know how that ended up for him.
Relax, people...49 (or 56 depending on who you follow) more states to go. What I really find disturbing is how much Rubio moved up. Demo's are crossing over to vote for the guy they believe the Democrap candidate has the best chance of beating. For those that listen to Limbaugh, it's Operation Chaos all over again.
I was thinking about sinking ships and when the gales of November come slashin' but I like yours better. Axl Rose was kind of hunky and I loved their music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI8bta-7aw
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
I agree, good one! I do think that is very appropriate. I must say: I think I like YOURS better!!!! Such a moving song!
cornanj
Senior Member
I like Cruz. He's my second choice. I guess my disappointment is with JohnGalt. I find his actions repulsive. But, in the end that's my own problem. I use to frequent his web site. No more.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
And THAT in a nutshell, is the reason I cannot get behind either Cruz or Rubio. If either of them would be elected and take up residence in The People's House, they would spend the next four years defending their right to be there. I can't see either one of them saying, "Too bad...I was elected" like Zero did. Personally, I fault the system. Maybe the framers of our country purposely left the definition open but I don't think that's the case. In their minds, I guess they could never imagine that there would ever be a question with the term "natural born". So here we sit 200+ years later squabbling over what the term means. Personally I think it means a child born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizens. But I'm not a purist and actually I could get behind someone that fulfills two out of the three requirements!
With Cruz, there is a question of fundamental honesty (or stupidity). He didn't know until 2014 that he held dual citizenship and that would be a problem? Sorry, but for a guy as smart as he is (and I genuinely think he's very book smart), I don't buy it.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Didn't Ronald Reagan skip the last debate before Iowa, and lose Iowa too in 1980?
Correct.