GLOATFEST #1: Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
GLOATFEST #1: Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now

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by John Galt
February 1, 2016 22:30 ET



Despite having every television network, half of talk radio, all of conspiracy internet woo-woo radio via shortwave and the internet, almost every newspaper, and darned near every senile old loser from the RINOs going against him, Senator Ted Cruz has won the Iowa Primary tonight as called by all the networks now:





In honor of the sore LOOOOOOSERS who have their own Boeing 757 with their name on the side and your supporters, here ya go:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8_7Orhey-g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE


 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Rubio won, thanks to the democrats signing up as republicans. They were even bragging about their undermining the election. Rubio was chosen so as to not be so obvious but also because if he did get the nomination he would be the easiest for Hillary to beat.

Still feeling like gloating?
 

bosifus

There can be only one.
Trump did a masterful job of exposing the media and establishment for what it is. Cruz is the only logical choice IMO. After listening to trump day in day out talk about nothing but how great things are going to be it made it pretty clear that his plan is to make promises just like our current President and pander to everyone for votes.

Interesting times we are living in.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Yes he does PDW. He doesn't care if a communist or spy dem sits in the big chair as long as Trump fails.


JMHO
 

Buick Electra

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CNN predicting Ted Cruz winner of the Iowa Poll!
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Yes Lord! Please, PLEASE let it be!
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PLEASE let those numbers hold so Iowa will continue their 31 year losing streak of NOT picking a president so that Cruz can be yet another Iowa winner who goes on to gain no more ground in any other states that will either go on to become another Fox news contributor or just fade away. Please let the Iowa "winner voodoo" stay stuck on Cruz and avoid Donald Trump.
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Please let Iowans once again have TRULY picked with their "whose the most Christian" guidelines in order that Trump may go on to win the election. Amen!
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Trump did a masterful job of exposing the media and establishment for what it is. Cruz is the only logical choice IMO. After listening to trump day in day out talk about nothing but how great things are going to be it made it pretty clear that his plan is to make promises just like our current President and pander to everyone for votes.

Interesting times we are living in.

Trump started to lose me with his nasty attacks on Carson. When he went 100% birther loon and attacked Cruz's religion, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. If I can find the dirt on Trump, just imagine what Hitlery recorded in private with him, or worse, the files she has on him from the old White House days. Regardless, if it's Sanders v. Cruz at least we get an honest debate on the Constitution vs. Socialism.

However, it is WAY too early to call it over. The real fun begins once we get down to Dixie.
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
Rubio won, thanks to the democrats signing up as republicans. They were even bragging about their undermining the election. Rubio was chosen so as to not be so obvious but also because if he did get the nomination he would be the easiest for Hillary to beat.

Still feeling like gloating?

This!
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Bear in mind that Cruz' 4% win over Trump equates to FIFTY SIX HUNDRED VOTES. Rest assured that in no other state will numbers that close equate to anything significant.
 

Lavender

Veteran Member
I will be okay with Ted Cruz winning the primary. I actually like Cruz. But the problem is, he can't win the general.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I am pleased. Trump's recent promise of universal health care is pure pandering and sounds more like Bernie every minute.
 

shinerbock

Innocent Bystander
Yes he does PDW. He doesn't care if a communist or spy dem sits in the big chair as long as Trump fails. JMHO

I don't like the prospect of a Rubio rising but it is a republic and the elections are what they are. The hangers on will join Trump in ganging up on Marco in N.H. and S.C. if need be. I do believe he'll be a threat to Trump and others but just can't see him winning the prize. Seems like CNN is pulling for him, that's for sure.

I have been for Cruz all along and for that I don't apologize. Why don't y'all give us a break tonight? We've been getting dissed for weeks and Cruz prevailed. Feels good even if the celebratory thread is not well attended.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Bear in mind that Cruz' 4% win over Trump equates to FIFTY SIX HUNDRED VOTES. Rest assured that in no other state will numbers that close equate to anything significant.

Keep in mind as we move to the Dixie primaries, most of the states were changed to "winner take all" so Jeb! could run the table.

Oops.

That could backfire on the GOPe big time.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
I don't like the prospect of a Rubio rising but it is a republic and the elections are what they are. The hangers on will join Trump in ganging up on Marco in N.H. and S.C. if need be. I do believe he'll be a threat to Trump and others but just can't see him winning the prize. Seems like CNN is pulling for him, that's for sure.

Rubio is not popular here in his home state. No one from the Tea Party has forgiven him for the Gang of 8 stunt nor his lack of showing up for work (over 198 missed votes, more than Obama!).
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Interesting times indeed!

No one I know here on The Space Coast likes Jeb.

A handful like Rubio.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
When he went 100% birther loon and attacked Cruz's religion.

If you think Trump was harsh on Cruz's citizenship just wait until Hillary gets ahold of him. She's going to shred his Canadian/Cuban ass to pieces. His father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of his birth (he was naturalized in 2005) and since his mother was neither a diplomat, a member of the US armed forces, nor a spook, he does NOT qualify for POTUS. I heard the democrat plants in the crowd laughing about both Cruz and Rubio tonight.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Rubio is not popular here in his home state. No one from the Tea Party has forgiven him for the Gang of 8 stunt nor his lack of showing up for work (over 198 missed votes, more than Obama!).

Either you are drunk, or you really are that stupid because you seem to have NO clue as to what really happened here in Iowa tonight! Rubio won because the democrats changed sides and voted exclusively for him!
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Either you are drunk, or you really are that stupid because you seem to have NO clue as to what really happened here in Iowa tonight! Rubio won because the democrats changed sides and voted exclusively for him!

Wow.

You are clueless.

Rubio is McCain light.

I'd take him over Trump but he's no tea party guy!
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
I'm predicting what JGF's dinner will look like on election night. :D

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Not even thinking that far ahead. I'm more worried about SC, and Super Tuesday where Trump could unleash over $100 million in advertising if he decides to get serious about this. His recent comments on universal health care are going to hurt him down here, however.
 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
I still say a brokered convention for Ryan Paul. "Insiders" have been alluding to it for weeks.

http://www.palisadeshudson.com/2016/01/paul-ryans-shadow-candidacy/

The Republican Party is starting to get nervous.

With time running out before voters make their wishes known in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, the fight for the party’s presidential nomination remains splintered between the various factions of the GOP voting base. Recent polls, including one from CNN that arrived earlier this week, continue to show Donald Trump as the clear front-runner, followed by Texas’ Sen. Ted Cruz and trailed by Florida’s Sen. Marco Rubio and the rest of the pack. While polls are not always predictive, especially this early in the process, Trump’s staying power thus far has surprised many onlookers.

Part of the explanation could be that this year’s race has exposed existing ideological fault lines between groups traditionally associated with the Republican Party. Nate Silver suggested just this explanation in a recent post on FiveThirtyEight, discussing Trump through the lens of “party establishment” and attempting to explain why prominent members of the GOP seem to have done little to arrest Trump’s rise, other than the occasional tardy denouncement of his more extreme rhetoric. American political parties have always been coalitions of diverse groups, but this year’s contest is exposing the rifts between them, at least on the Republican side.

The Republican Party also recently redrew its primary map, giving more influence to Southern states that have often backed nominees who struggle in other parts of the country. On top of this, the party established a new method for counting delegates in early contests that will spread them among competitors, preventing a candidate from pulling away early in the process.

As a recent article in The Wall Street Journal explained, the conditions might be ripe for a scenario in which no single candidate makes it to the Republican convention in July with a clear majority of delegates. A candidate will need 1,237 delegates to secure the nomination outright, a feat that is looking more and more challenging in the still-crowded field.
This situation, known as a contested or brokered convention, was routine before the era of presidential primary elections, but has all but disappeared in recent history. The last winning presidential candidate to come out of a brokered convention was Franklin D. Roosevelt. The most recent brokered convention to produce a Republican presidential nominee at all was Thomas Dewey in 1948, an election he famously lost to Harry Truman.

Delegates are obliged to vote for a particular candidate in the first ballot at the convention, but not thereafter. If there is no obvious winner right away, the convention could become what the Journal described as a “free-for-all” for the first time in either major party since 1952.

Suppose the GOP does find itself hopelessly deadlocked among social conservatives, fiscal hawks and “mainstream” candidates who appeal primarily to the business community. To whom might Republican delegates turn to bridge the gap?
I don’t know. But I do know that the last time Republicans faced this exact dilemma, which was last year after John Boehner stepped down as House speaker, they turned to Rep. Paul Ryan.

My personal hope is that they do it again.

The discussion of this possibility is not widespread, but several commentators have suggested Ryan as the solution to the GOP’s primary mess. Though Ryan dismissed such speculation as “ridiculous” when a reporter asked him about it in December, he was similarly dismissive of taking on the role of speaker before his party decided that it needed him.

I think there is a lot of sense in this potential outcome. Ryan was the vice presidential candidate in 2012, giving him valuable national campaign experience. He was the only House Republican who was able to pull the factions together on Boehner’s departure. He is as respected for his smarts and policy ideas as for his ability to bridge philosophical divides. He is a social conservative, opposed to abortion out of what appears to be sincerely held belief rather than political necessity (in sharp contrast to Trump, for instance). Yet his willingness to compromise could make him a reasonable choice for undecided voters, even those who disagree with him on individual issues.

Perhaps most importantly come November’s voting, Ryan is a genuinely simple man with a lifestyle to which Americans can relate, from his middle-class finances to his emphasis on spending time at home with his children. Democrats can’t possibly paint him as an out-of-touch plutocrat – especially not Hillary Clinton, that self-proclaimed archenemy of the Wall Street that pays her $300,000 a speech.

Democrats may be perplexed by Trump, afraid of Rubio and eager to face Cruz. But if Republicans can’t agree on any of the above, we could conceivably agree once again on Ryan, who I suspect could be prevailed upon to answer the call of party and country. That is the real nightmare scenario for Democrats.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Not even thinking that far ahead. I'm more worried about SC, and Super Tuesday where Trump could unleash over $100 million in advertising if he decides to get serious about this. His recent comments on universal health care are going to hurt him down here, however.

I have yet to meet ONE person here who's a bonifide Trump supporter.

Seriously.

I get quizzical looks just bringing up his name.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Not even thinking that far ahead. I'm more worried about SC, and Super Tuesday where Trump could unleash over $100 million in advertising if he decides to get serious about this. His recent comments on universal health care are going to hurt him down here, however.


This will be the most dynamic election cycle we have ever seen.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
Which side of the Canadian border do you NOT understand makes Cruz ineligible ?


Cruz is an inside boy from Princeton and Harvard and has sold out to Wall Street
 

anna43

Veteran Member
I can't imagine Bush doing well anywhere. His PAC has been running very very nasty ads which really turns off Iowans. I doubt voters in other states will care for that approach. In my precinct Bush got no votes or maybe 1. We voted Cruz, Rubio, Trump 1-2-3. If Democrats switched to vote Republican, maybe its because the Democratic candidates are so awful. A lot of my precinct really preferred Carson, but knew voting for him would help Trump so voted for Cruz or Rubio. Next step in process in Iowa is county convention in March, followed by district convention then state where delegates will be chosen for national convention. I'm a county delegate, but have no interest in going beyond that.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
All I have heard Trump say (and I have listened to every one of his rallies) about Healthcare is:

He is going to get rid of whatever is left of Obamacare.

He will allow ALL insurance companies to bid for people's business - employees and employers will NOT have to be restricted to the companies which "serve" a certain state - it will be wide open.

People who need it will get emergency care, because "we have to have heart". I believe that he will turn to the States to get input as to what they want - he really doesn't want the federal .gov to be involved, as he is going to cut or get rid of many bureaucracies, and cut out financial waste.

He hasn't elaborated much on what the Plan will be, so I really don't get how you interpret that to mean Universal health care - if insurance companies are involved, that is not like the so-called Socialist plan in Canada, with which I am very familiar. All basic health care which is quite comprehensive is paid for by our taxes and allocated by the provincial .govs and any insurance add-ons are for specialty services, which we have never needed.

But Trump's plan will take care of those who need it.......and the media have jumped on that with their interpretation of Universal.

I really would like to hear details you might have picked up on regarding health care, as it might be of interest to my husband, who is American.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Which side of the Canadian border do you NOT understand makes Cruz ineligible ?


Cruz is an inside boy from Princeton and Harvard and has sold out to Wall Street

I know.
He's like a robot!

A CANADIAN robot.

A shill......a sellout.....manipulated......conspiracy. .....RINO Neocon......

He is the Anti-Establishment's Anti-Establishment.

Counter-Culture meets Counter-Culture.

Damn freaking Canadian Robots!
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=6394

Posted on February 1, 2016

Back in the 1992 election, I was sitting in what we used to call a working class bar. This was a downscale neighborhood in Boston and people still worked so working class was the correct label. Nowadays, “working class” almost always means not working. As soon as you hear the phrase, “working families” you know that no one is working and there’s no father around to make it a family.

Anyway, this bar was white Irish working class. I was just killing some time so I stopped in for a beer. The place was busy, but not so loud that you could not hear the TV. Pat Buchanan came on and the Irish girl next to me started to hiss. I was a little surprised, but then she volunteered that Buchanan was a racist and hated immigrants. She was as white as a ghost and her people came over in the 19th century.

As these things go, others joined her in talking about Buchanan and some other pols. I no longer recall most of the details, but the main take away for me was that these working class whites were trying real hard to not be working class in their attitudes. They may work in service jobs and construction, but they were not going to be blue collar. Class for them was not about economics. It was an aesthetic. It turns out Engels was sort of right.

Sam Francis said back in ’92 that Buchanan, while being right, was too nice for electoral politics. He was right about the last part as the managerial class painted Buchanan as a quasi-Nazi bigot and anti-Semite. About the former, the conventional wisdom was that Buchanan was a yesterday man, advocating policies that went out of style in the 1950’s. The future was technology, mass media and working class Irish gals worried about racism.

What happened, of course, was that the credit boom following the Louvre Accords allowed the people in charge to keep the party going, without the people taking notice of the great hollowing out of the middle. Cheap credit meant buying better stuff made in foreign lands so everyone could feel like they were doing well. Cheap credit also sent the stock market soaring so everyone felt like they were rich.

I was at lunch today with someone who is a solid suburban Republican. We were laughing about politics and he said something odd. He said, “You know, old Bernie is a nut, but his description of what’s wrong with this country is not that far off. He’s the only guy talking about this stuff. I’m not kidding. If his solutions were not so crazy, I’d probably vote for the guy.”

I was a little surprised, but I had to agreed. In fact, I have agreed for a while. Somewhere along the way we deified rich people and they get to run wild. Look at all the bankers who walked away from their wreckage with millions in bonuses. The robber barons of Silicon Valley are trying to bring back slavery and supposedly sensible people defend it. Liberal Democrats defend open borders. Then there is the political class that seems to live a life without consequences.

That’s the thing about this election that does not get discussed. Bernie Sanders lacks all of Trump’s media savvy, yet he is about to drop a house on Hillary Clinton. These are Democrats so some portion of the vote really thinks communism is the answer, but the great bulk of those planning to vote for Sanders are doing so out of spite. It is a big middle finger to the political class.

Trump, with all his faults, is a better candidate than Sanders, simply because he does not have a head full of nutty ideas. Even so, he is no one’s idea of a great candidate. He’s rude and he is often crude. His speeches don’t make a lot of sense most of the time. My bet is most people planning to vote for him get that, but they want to send a message. They also trust he will not do anything crazy if he ends up in the White House. That and he is right on the big issues like immigration.

I think what were seeing is the long overdue reckoning for the mistakes of the 60’s and 70’s. The disastrous welfare programs, the massive expansion of the federal state, the rise of Cultural Marxism as the official religion of the ruling elite. The squalor of the 70’s should have forced a roll back of all these things. What should have happened in the 80’s and 90’s was a return to normalcy. Instead, the credit boom put all that on hold.

Worse still, it fueled the growth of the managerial class that is decidedly hostile to normal people. Turn on the TV and you see an endless stream of degeneracy that mocks the foundations of western civilization and the traditions that have preserved and nurtured it. Traditional America is treated as a hate crime. The people in entertainment live like royalty, while accusing middle American of an endless list of crimes.

Pat Caddell, the veteran pollster and social observer, is calling this a revolution. He may not be way off base. It is a revolt, but a revolt against thirty years of a ruling class papering over the mistakes of the past. Egalitarianism, anti-racism and multiculturalism are fine in the faculty lounge, but they are a cultural dead end as a ruling class religion. The people in charge have run out of ways to hide this truth and now the long overdue hell is going to be paid.

This entry was posted in Badder Thoughts, Politics by thezman. Bookmark the permalink.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Wow.

You are clueless.

Rubio is McCain light.

I'd take him over Trump but he's no tea party guy!

I don't want Rubio or Cruz, they like Obama are foriegn usurpers. But if that's what you want then so be it, Hillary will destroy both of them due to their lack of being able to qualify for POTUS.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Iowa is different because of the Evangelicals - they don't bend too well - they have their priorities and they seem to be moral ones (which in itself is not bad), but when church members and their friends and neighbors are starving, it is probably a good idea to vote for someone who can provide a way for them to earn enough to eat, so they can be around to work to change the moral problems later.

If an Evangelical can't get elected in the General, then you don't get to change the Supreme Court justices to change the moral laws.

Could be why Iowa doesn't elect Presidents.

Now Cruz will have a law suit to see if he can run, now that he has "won" one State.......good thing it happened early in the process, so if he can't, he can drop out.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Which side of the Canadian border do you NOT understand makes Cruz ineligible ?


Cruz is an inside boy from Princeton and Harvard and has sold out to Wall Street

The fact that he was born in Canada to a mother who was a US Citizen and a father who was Cuban but was NOT enlisted in the military, a diplomat, or a gov't spook is what makes him ineligble. Had his mother been able to meet ANY of those criteria then he'd be eligible, regardless of his father's status but she did NOT meet any of that criteria. Alas his father did NOT become a US citizen until 2005, and this makes him patently ineligible and you can bet your last dollar that HIllary's team is prepping for his eventual nomination as the republican candidate. And she will shred him to pieces, and rightfully so.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
I don't want Rubio or Cruz, they like Obama are foriegn usurpers. But if that's what you want then so be it, Hillary will destroy both of them due to their lack of being able to qualify for POTUS.

You're fulln of shit.

She's LUCKY if she's not indicted, and EVERYONE knows it.

If we get her WE DESERVE HER.
 

bad_karma00

Underachiever
I still haven't decided who I'll back, but my take is simple; this is a win for Trump in many ways, and a landslide for Sanders.

Trump is the only one who isn't a professional politician and yet he places that well in the first ballots? Up until now many people have treated Trump as if he's a joke in the election. He's not just a 'joke' anymore and will have to be taken seriously from now on. If he gets votes on that scale in NH, then all this bs talk of brokered conventions and ignoring the ballot will be the end of the GOP, period. ALSO, Trump hasn't seemed to take things all the seriously himself until today. He apparently made the connection today when he said "I don't need fans, I need voters". If he starts actually campaigning instead of just 'stumping', then he may well give everyone a real wakeup call instead of just something to laugh and joke about.

And people are talking about him. If they decide that he's not going to "Perot" them, you'll start seeing a lot more overt support for him, simply because so many people are angry, and disgusted with people who make their livings, (and fortunes) in politics.

For Sanders, he was waaaaay down last summer, yet if the count I saw a little while ago is accurate and holds, he was within four votes of Hilter, (sic) and that might as well be a win in something like a caucus. Now he takes some major momentum with him, and like the Donald, this gives 'Bern' some bonafides. He can't be laughed away anymore, he's become a serious contender that the Dems are going to have to deal with, or else he's going to be their candidate instead of Hilter. We all look at Sanders and see the Nutty Professor at best, but remember there are a lot of people out there who 'vote for a living', and they are eating "The Bern" free stuff speeches with a spoon. They'll vote his way and they have a history of turning up to work and vote because. . .well, they don't have anything else to do, right? And did I mention 'free shit'? Sanders can't be ignored of he keeps getting this kind of turnout. If he gets in office, I have a feeling we'll be looking back on YO's years in the Big House with fond memories. It will be that bad, IMO, based on his so called platform.

I had wondered at Rubio's strong showing until the reports of dems voting for him to raise his numbers, and really that makes sense. They're doing what a lot of GOP'ers will do in voting for the opposing candidate they believe their candidate will have the best chance of beating. It may be considered a shitty thing to do, but it's a long held political strategy. AND it makes Rubio look like he's made a major come back from being way down.

This has narrowed the GOP field, which we expected it to do, and let's face it, there weren't any real surprises where the 'drop-outs' are concerned. The surprises will be who holds on even after a poor showing here. I'm almost certain that Paul and Bush will hang in at least until Super Tuesday. Not much of a way to see beyond that the way things are so topsy turvy for the moment. No matter how much people want to read into this, it's still just one caucus. It's a long way to a decision.


Just my views on this, and I admit I'm nothing like an insider, just an observer. :P


Bad
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
The fact that he was born in Canada to a mother who was a US Citizen and a father who was Cuban but was NOT enlisted in the military, a diplomat, or a gov't spook is what makes him ineligble. Had his mother been able to meet ANY of those criteria then he'd be eligible, regardless of his father's status but she did NOT meet any of that criteria. Alas his father did NOT become a US citizen until 2005, and this makes him patently ineligible and you can bet your last dollar that HIllary's team is prepping for his eventual nomination as the republican candidate. And she will shred him to pieces, and rightfully so.

Again you are full of shit.

Hillary is literally fighting for survival.
She'll be LUCKY to not find herself prosecuted.
She has a hard enough time giving freaking SPEECH without collapsing.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You're fulln of shit.

She's LUCKY if she's not indicted, and EVERYONE knows it.

If we get her WE DESERVE HER.

Unfortunately I am NOT full of sh*t. And unfortunately we have two foriegn upsurpers on the right who are constitutional attornies who think they can get away with this deception. And they won't. And Hillary's team will shred them to pieces because of this no matter her past crimes. Got it???
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Again you are full of shit.

Hillary is literally fighting for survival.
She'll be LUCKY to not find herself prosecuted.
She has a hard enough time giving freaking SPEECH without collapsing.

She won't be prosecuted. Ever. She's been around since her team crucified Nixon. Do some bloody research already. She knows where the bodies are buried, who put them there, and how they got dead in the first place. You might want to take a laxative because it sounds like you are the one that is in fact, full of shit!
 

Lavender

Veteran Member
All I have heard Trump say (and I have listened to every one of his rallies) about Healthcare is:

He is going to get rid of whatever is left of Obamacare.

He will allow ALL insurance companies to bid for people's business - employees and employers will NOT have to be restricted to the companies which "serve" a certain state - it will be wide open.

People who need it will get emergency care, because "we have to have heart". I believe that he will turn to the States to get input as to what they want - he really doesn't want the federal .gov to be involved, as he is going to cut or get rid of many bureaucracies, and cut out financial waste.

He hasn't elaborated much on what the Plan will be, so I really don't get how you interpret that to mean Universal health care - if insurance companies are involved, that is not like the so-called Socialist plan in Canada, with which I am very familiar. All basic health care which is quite comprehensive is paid for by our taxes and allocated by the provincial .govs and any insurance add-ons are for specialty services, which we have never needed.

But Trump's plan will take care of those who need it.......and the media have jumped on that with their interpretation of Universal.

I really would like to hear details you might have picked up on regarding health care, as it might be of interest to my husband, who is American.
You are right.

Trump simply talked about a situation where if someone could not help their self in a medical situation, they would be taken care of.....as they are taken care of right now and have been. Then the media built on that simple sensible statement, and turned it into something that Trump did not mean.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Iowa is different because of the Evangelicals - they don't bend too well - they have their priorities and they seem to be moral ones (which in itself is not bad), but when church members and their friends and neighbors are starving, it is probably a good idea to vote for someone who can provide a way for them to earn enough to eat, so they can be around to work to change the moral problems later.

If an Evangelical can't get elected in the General, then you don't get to change the Supreme Court justices to change the moral laws.

Could be why Iowa doesn't elect Presidents.

Now Cruz will have a law suit to see if he can run, now that he has "won" one State.......good thing it happened early in the process, so if he can't, he can drop out.


Seriously??? And how long have you lived in Iowa??? I've been here since 1993, me thinks you haven't a clue so quit listening to FOX and CNN.
 
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