GLOATFEST #1: Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now

[Seabear]

Some Perspective for Grown ups

Not much surprising here at all. Trump has never led in Iowa and second place is about as good as he could expected with Cruz and Rubio in the race with full party apparatus backing.

The Donald does not make off the cuff mistakes or un-calculated moves as some would love to think. His skipping the debate shows how much he was worried about losing in Iowa. I wouid gut guess he knew the numbers going into the vote and not showing up may have hurt him 2-3% which in Iowa and helped him elsewhere in the country.

What is surprising is Rubio's performance. Makes you wonder if he benefited the most from the 3000 plus Democrat and Independent voters who signed up as Repubs to vote in this caucus?

Iowa does not pick many winners. Trump is in for fight period as quirky little states like NH are likely to try and torpedo his success. A nationally strong candidate is all I care about in this election period.

The GOP Elite can crow all they want tonight but bear in mind they put forth McCain and Romney against the most unqualified Marxist (aside from Hillary) in US history. Something to ponder.

Cruz as I said weeks ago has cultivated the R.W. Fundamentalist Nutter to the tee in Texas and Iowa but he has no elect-ability nationally nor was he ever intended to as it would be an anathema to his true-believer following. What is being crowed about here as a strength tonight is going to become a huge liability soon as the race moves elsewhere...

On the tin foil side of things I would prefer globalist nut jobs like Bill Gates and Soros et al did not get to count our votes anymore. It is unnecessary and too much like the Wolf counting the chickens in the coop for the farmer...

 

[Ice Guy]

GLOATFEST #1: Thank you Iowa For Saving the Republic for Now


by John Galt
February 1, 2016 22:30 ET[/





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28/24/23 - hardly seems like anyone was a winner or loser here to me. Adjust the polls accordingly compared to the Iowa polls before today, and Trump is still a statistical winner in a lot of states. Too close to call is my take.

 

[Be Well]

And how many recent winners in Iowa have won the subsequent election?

Isn't it one in 40 years? And Reagan didn't win Iowa.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Isn't it one in 40 years? And Reagan didn't win Iowa.

This sounds about right

 

[sunny225]

Wait. You DO understand that this isn't the whole country that voted today, right?
This is Iowa.

 

[moldy]

Sadly, watching politics is like watching TV. Lots of drama, lots of acting - and what I think, feel, and how I vote doesn't change it one iota.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Wait. You DO understand that this isn't the whole country that voted today, right?
This is Iowa.

A'yup I do, but unfortunately something evil happened here tonight... and nobody gives a damn because it's just ****ing Iowa and who the hell cares... just remember this.

 

[homecanner1]

Trump was polling as high as 51 percent the day before. My gut says it was the evangelical vote yet again in triumph but on the wrong bandwagon. They never fail to swarm in Iowa but rarely deliver the sting. re: Madsen's leaked story on Rubio's questionable college roomie smells like a blatant ploy now to get the Lincoln Log gay RNC contingent. Rubio prolly crunched the numbers and leaked the damn story himself. Esp. in the wake of boatloads of Hillary Dems openly declaring for Rubio tonight to undermine Trump. If true then thegloves are off and expect ballot switching games elsewhere in declared vs undeclared primaries.

Doz, great article on Buchanan and Boston. I have often said Buchanan would have made a brilliant Sec. of State under Bush. Cabinet level. But the flannel wearing Irish were never gonna back him domestically on Labor issues. His strength is Foreign Policy. I daresay Pat is not too old as an elder senior advisor. Kissinger is still puttering along yet. Don't rule P.B. out of a potential White House braintrust!

I agree 100 percent with this statement from your linked piece: "...the great bulk of those planning to vote for Sanders are doing so out of spite..." They know Bernie can't win against Trump, he can't carry the south. But they hate Hillary criminality as much as the grassroots GOP. Whoever the Republican nominee is, if its against Hillary, they need to hammer home the way the infamous "bimbo eruption" was treated by Her Majesty. Its her biggest default liability with women voters.

 

[Hansa44]

A'yup I do, but unfortunately something evil happened here tonight... and nobody gives a damn because it's just ****ing Iowa and who the hell cares... just remember this.

Yep...the dark forces will continue to try and do Trump in. Just one more issue he needs to fix.

And we can help. Look what happens when we think someone else can do it.

 

[intowolves]

The fact that he was born in Canada to a mother who was a US Citizen and a father who was Cuban but was NOT enlisted in the military, a diplomat, or a gov't spook is what makes him ineligble. Had his mother been able to meet ANY of those criteria then he'd be eligible, regardless of his father's status but she did NOT meet any of that criteria. Alas his father did NOT become a US citizen until 2005, and this makes him patently ineligible and you can bet your last dollar that HIllary's team is prepping for his eventual nomination as the republican candidate. And she will shred him to pieces, and rightfully so.

I'm curious why a billionaire can't get him disqualified if this is such an open and shut case

 

[DannyBoy]

A'yup I do, but unfortunately something evil happened here tonight... and nobody gives a damn because it's just ****ing Iowa and who the hell cares... just remember this.

My gosh you have such hate for Cruz! Amazes me. Trump scares me to death. He is like a nuclear bomb heading for DC with a count down timer ticking and no one knows when it will get to zero. He is just as much of an unknown as big O was 8 years ago...

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

If you think Trump was harsh on Cruz's citizenship just wait until Hillary gets ahold of him. She's going to shred his Canadian/Cuban ass to pieces. His father was NOT a US Citizen at the time of his birth (he was naturalized in 2005) and since his mother was neither a diplomat, a member of the US armed forces, nor a spook, he does NOT qualify for POTUS. I heard the democrat plants in the crowd laughing about both Cruz and Rubio tonight.

The outrage over a kenyon in office all of a sudden has lost it's appeal.

We are wasting our time on this subject, JG and many others here could not care less that he is a canadian foreigner, big bank pro amnesty christian cult rino, not to mention a DC insider. Anything to stop Trump. I will write in Trump and I do not know who these folks are but if you find your way to our little survival group when shtf, I promise you we won't forget.

 

[Seabear]

My gosh you have such hate for Cruz! Amazes me. Trump scares me to death. He is like a nuclear bomb heading for DC with a count down timer ticking and no one knows when it will get to zero. He is just as much of an unknown as big O was 8 years ago...

What planet do you live on? Trump an unknown like Obama 8 years ago....

 

[packyderms_wife]

My gosh you have such hate for Cruz!

Ummm no, not hatred. Let me explain things to you as simply as I can.

I was born to a US born father who served many many years in the USAF, and a Canadian (Native American Mother) IN Minot, North Dakota, USA.

I AM NOT qualified to run for president of the united states because even though I was born IN the United States to a father who served almost 20 years in the USAF, because my mother NEVER became a Naturalized Citizen, even though she's Native American she's still NOT considered a US or Canadian Citizen.

So tell me this

How in the hell is Cruz eligible for POTUS if his mother was a US citizen and gave birth to him in Canada with a sperm donor that she was married to who was NOT naturalized until 2005 and she NEVER EVER worked for the US Military, was NOT a US Diplomat, and was NOT a US gov't spook???

If I'm NOT qualified then why the **** is he qualified???

 

[Red Baron]

I would like everyone to grab a juice box and relax for five minutes.

 

[packyderms_wife]

I would like everyone to grab a juice box and relax for five minutes.

I'm turning in, so more than five minutes. But I think my argument stands. If I'm not qualified for POTUS then Cruz and Rubio certainly are not qualified.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

Unfortunately I am NOT full of sh*t. And unfortunately we have two foriegn upsurpers on the right who are constitutional attornies who think they can get away with this deception. And they won't. And Hillary's team will shred them to pieces because of this no matter her past crimes. Got it???

I am beginning to think this is the plan all along. Cruz, gawd, after the snake handling, I am so put off. I mean folks, they are Jim Jones crazy. Ruby is a la raza plant democrat. I knew the GOPe would make sure he did well, this is their boy. Hope some of the fraud and corruption comes out over tonight and I pray Trump jumps in it, on it and reveals it to the world.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

Ummm no, not hatred. Let me explain things to you as simply as I can.

I was born to a US born father who served many many years in the USAF, and a Canadian (Native American Mother) IN Minot, North Dakota, USA.

I AM NOT qualified to run for president of the united states because even though I was born IN the United States to a father who served almost 20 years in the USAF, because my mother NEVER became a Naturalized Citizen, even though she's Native American she's still NOT considered a US or Canadian Citizen.

So tell me this

How in the hell is Cruz eligible for POTUS if his mother was a US citizen and gave birth to him in Canada with a sperm donor that she was married to who was NOT naturalized until 2005 and she NEVER EVER worked for the US Military, was NOT a US Diplomat, and was NOT a US gov't spook???

If I'm NOT qualified then why the **** is he qualified???

He is not qualified but they don't care. They cannot see where this will take us in the near future after Jesus Cruz isn't running.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

What planet do you live on? Trump an unknown like Obama 8 years ago....

Obama was then and is still an unknown. Trump is a very successful "known" but best of all he scares the shit out of the elite in DC. At the very least, he will bring prosperity back to main street, and take out the moslem garbage. The most frightening thing to me now is the ignorance and all over the board support for these foreign candidates and status quo pro moslem pro amnesty voters. This is your last rodeo in a free country, I truly know you do not understand that.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

she NEVER EVER worked for the US Military, was NOT a US Diplomat, and was NOT a US gov't spook???

I'll ask again because I am still waiting for the citation / legal reference where the above quoted requirements are stated.

ETA: Currently, citizenship in the U.S. is governed by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-66/pdf/STATUTE-66-Pg163.pdf (page 74 of the PDF - section 301 paragraph 7)

The most recent changes to statutory law were done by Congress in 2001. So since this most recent debate has circulated around Cruz, I am going to focus on one particular section… birth abroad to one U.S. citizen.

There are a certain set of rules for those born after November 14, 1986, but I’m focusing on the rules at the time of Cruz’s birth, which are the rules that were in effect from December 24, 1952 – November 14, 1986. A person born abroad between those dates is a U.S. citizen upon birth if all of the following are true:

1. The person’s parents were married at the time of birth; (Yes they were)

2. One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born; (Yes, Cruz's mother was a US citizen)

3. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth; (Yes, she did)

4. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday. (Yes, they were)

By these very definitions of the law, it would appear that Cruz is a natural-born citizen (did not have to go through "naturalization") and thus meets the qualifications to run for president.

 

[DannyBoy]

What planet do you live on? Trump an unknown like Obama 8 years ago....

Just sayin'... Can't remember what he said during that last debate he participated in, but he made some comment that at least gave me the feeling he had finally read the constitution... that was the FIRST time I had gotten that feeling.

 

[Seabear]

I truly know you do not understand that.

PM chill I was responding to a quote. Did you actually read any of my many threads on the subject.

I was responding the absurdity that Trump who happens to be the most vetted man in America could be an unknown like Obama nee Sotero.....

Stop the friendly fire...

 

[DannyBoy]

Obama was then and is still an unknown. Trump is a very successful "known" but best of all he scares the shit out of the elite in DC. At the very least, he will bring prosperity back to main street, and take out the moslem garbage. The most frightening thing to me now is the ignorance and all over the board support for these foreign candidates and status quo pro moslem pro amnesty voters. This is your last rodeo in a free country, I truly know you do not understand that.

No, I really do understand that things are coming to a head... I fully expect him to be the nominee... he will certainly shake things up if he makes it. But, as I said, we are likely sending a nuke to DC and we don't know if or when it will go off. The insiders are certainly scared of him, but so am I. I just don't understand why you think Trump is a "known". Things will certainly change if he makes it, you and I just can't say to what.

ETA: and of course I would certainly vote for him if he is the choice... no question, but no matter how vetted you feel he is, he is still a hip shooter. I just hope he is the patriot he says he is.

 

[Chance]

Well, considering The Senate and The House (even though the Republicans are the majority) - vote Democrat/Liberal, the next president IF he's a Republican is going to have a devil of a time accomplishing anything he has 'promised' us in his campaign speeches.

I don't think Cruz or Rubio have the ability or know how necessary to negotiate. I see major gridlock.

Just MHO.

Cheers!

Chance

 

[dogmanan]

The outrage over a kenyon in office all of a sudden has lost it's appeal.

We are wasting our time on this subject, JG and many others here could not care less that he is a canadian foreigner, big bank pro amnesty christian cult rino, not to mention a DC insider. Anything to stop Trump. I will write in Trump and I do not know who these folks are but if you find your way to our little survival group when shtf, I promise you we won't forget.

Yep very well said and so true.

 

[Zoner]

Trump started to lose me with his nasty attacks on Carson.

And who played dirty and sent out a release that Carson was leaving the race on the day of the election?

Carson Accuses Cruz Camp of Foul Play; Told Voters Carson Was Dropping Out.

With this tactic against another Christian, Cruz is exposed as a hypocrite to real Christians. Sorry John, Cruz has lost me with this dirty play.

 

[mom2many]

Politically speaking, you are correct, however, Trump does own and run a successful business and a charitable foundation, so I think that makes him better known than a community organizer out of Chicago.

He is just as much of an unknown as big O was 8 years ago...

 

[homecanner1]

Bernie camp crying foul now too. 90 precincts missing? What has that bitch done now?

 

[Zoner]

Bernie camp crying foul now too. 90 precincts missing? What has that bitch done now?

 

[Seabear]

Here is what is afoot Rubio being put forward as the national candidate by the party elite

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...o-ted-cruz/ar-BBoYFhp?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U348DHP

How the Rubio "surge" is both a media creation and a real thing

At this point, "political reporters say Marco Rubio is about to catch fire" is something of a running joke. Pundits said Rubio won the first Republican debate, and it resulted in a polling surge for Ben Carson. Many (Vox included) said he also won the second Republican debate, and it resulted in a mini surge for Carly Fiorina. When Carson finally slipped below second place in early December, Rubio looked like he'd be the beneficiary — only to be overtaken by Ted Cruz.

But unlike polling surges, an overperformance in Iowa actually matters. It comes with delegates attached. And more importantly, it comes as the Republican establishment is scrambling to pose a viable alternative to Trump and Cruz.

Rubio desperately needs to become the consensus candidate of the Republican establishment in order to stick it out versus Trump and Cruz. Everyone expected him to outperform the other candidates in the "establishment lane" (Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, and John Kasich) in Iowa. But until recently, that wasn't quite enough for Republican donors to switch their support to Rubio from, say, Bush.

By beating expectations in Iowa, Rubio just made a decent case that he is an establishment candidate who voters can actually support. That might be a compelling pitch to Republican donors.

This is the bizarre thing about the Iowa caucus "expectations game." It starts out being something totally made up. But it ends up having very real consequences indeed.


So again I ask how did Rubio jump 6 plus points ? Who got the "Independent" and "Democrat" votes that went Republican in registration at the last minute?

This was a test that went well and it will be repeated. Ted is nothing more than window dressing for the R.W. in certain states and he will cave later.

Unlike others I don't think Trump will get anywhere playing nice with R's and certainly not D's in the coming days.

NH promises to be another problem child meant to impugn him. It will be interesting.

If they don't indict and remove Hillary then the RINOs will simply claim their Rubio can beat a vulnerable Hillary which is nothing but McCain/Romney retread.

Donald did not get to the top of the heap saying nice things about R's and the establishment.... No more 11th commandment this is about the survival of our nation.

Bloomberg will jump in likely to waste a $1billion to pester and pull votes from Trump.

It will be a battle royal to finish....

 

[curlysue]

A'yup I do, but unfortunately something evil happened here tonight... and nobody gives a damn because it's just ****ing Iowa and who the hell cares... just remember this.

Are you referring to the Cruz captain at on precinct stating Carson was dropping out and would be making an announcement? Or are you refering another Cruz captain BS about Trump. Could it be the 90 precincts that disappeared and they are freaking out and trying to locate the hand in the cookie jar. I am waiting on the spin on that one!

 

[Hansa44]

He is not qualified but they don't care. They cannot see where this will take us in the near future after Jesus Cruz isn't running.

Trump cares. He won the last 13 polls that were counted and Fox wondered where those numbers went.

The RNC wants to take him out. Maybe they found a way. Except I bet he has this investigated . He'll do it quietly for now

 

[curlysue]

Bernie camp crying foul now too. 90 precincts missing? What has that bitch done now?

Yup, they are hunting it down. Little bit of freaking out right now. Just watch how they try and spin. Clinton needs those crossovers back. She thought she had it in the bag. She under estimated Bernie.

 

[Hansa44]

Hitlery won!

 

[JohnGaltfla]

And who played dirty and sent out a release that Carson was leaving the race on the day of the election?



With this tactic against another Christian, Cruz is exposed as a hypocrite to real Christians. Sorry John, Cruz has lost me with this dirty play.

The Cruz campaign vehemently denied that rumor. It was CNN who broke the story based on a Tweet after the Caucus had already begun. Cruz people were simply repeating what CNN was reporting in the evening. I can't see Ted launching anything against Carson as he needs his voters.

 

[bobfall2005]

The outrage over a kenyon in office all of a sudden has lost it's appeal.

We are wasting our time on this subject, JG and many others here could not care less that he is a canadian foreigner, big bank pro amnesty christian cult rino, not to mention a DC insider. Anything to stop Trump. I will write in Trump and I do not know who these folks are but if you find your way to our little survival group when shtf, I promise you we won't forget.

Ummm. mods.

 

[Ravekid]

I'm more worried about SC, and Super Tuesday where Trump could unleash over $100 million in advertising if he decides to get serious about this. His recent comments on universal health care are going to hurt him down here, however.

Down where, Florida? How many residents of Florida already have universal healthcare down there? These systems are better known as Medicaid, Medicare, and VA. Universal healthcare is coming. Businesses and governments are getting sick of dealing with insurance companies when it comes to premiums and employee costs.

I'm voting for Trump or no one else. All the others are the same.

 

[Dennis Olson]

no matter how vetted you feel he is, he is still a hip shooter.


So was Reagan if you are old enough to recall....

 

[Beach]

So Cruz took 8 delegates; Trump and Rubio each took 7. What's all the hullabaloo about?

 

[fishdawg]

I couldn't possibly care any less about this pitiful circus of power grubbing sycophants. It won't matter who "wins the election" The plan is in place, the die is cast and total FUBAR on every possible level is rapidly approaching. No one can stop it, no one.There is but one consolation...