EBOLA Ebola confirmed in NYC

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
You can only get Ebola by being exposed to bodily fluids ... Fever and other symptoms were this morning ...

Sit next to someone who has the flu, you will get the flu. Sit next to someone who has Ebola, you will get Ebola. I still believe Ebola spreads as easily as the flu.
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
I'm sorry but this Dr. spent months treating infected people with the Ebola virus and was told to self quarantine for 21 days yet he took public cabs, the subway, went bowling and had contact with his fiancée' with the full knowledge that he could be harming these people within the incubation period. Yes, he did this intentionally IMHO and should be charged as a terrorist. How much was he paid was my first thought. Sorry, tin foil on too tight.

Months? Serious? And he's still alive after months of treating patients? Not doubting the poster. But it gets me he has been treating patients for months and the Doctor is still alive?
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
Us, too. I wonder if they're waiting until after the CDC briefing on the release of Nina Pham? Going on now...


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willdo

Veteran Member
"The guy that died flew in from Nigeria on the 16th.

Spencer landed at JFK on the 17th (per CNN)

Different airlines as far as I can tell and flew from different countries.

Thanks for the quick response. Still makes you wonder who he may have come in contact with during his travels, I don't think we should assume he got it from treating a patient although that would lessen some of the panic if that's how he got it. It's a lot scarier to contemplate that the fact that he treated patients was just a coincidence and that he caught it the way anyone else flying from that part of Africa can catch it. Especially if he'd been there for months and was ebola free that whole time when he was around people who were all being super careful."

According to his Facebook page, he left for West Africa via Brussels last month. A photo shows him in full protective gear. He returned to Brussels Oct. 16.

Um...the good doctor was in Brussels on the 16th, one of the connecting hubs to get to the US....there are NO direct flights out of Guinea to the US. The guy from Nigeria, who died in flight, flew on the 16th. They could have crossed paths. It depends on where the man from Nigeria's flight originated and what connecting flights he took and the flight path the doctor took. We would need more details about their air travel routes to assess the potential. If the source of infection was the Nigerian man, there will likely be more infected people popping up in the news about now, could be any country.

Brussels Airlines, the only European carrier to serve all three affected countries, said it would continue flights, while Dutch airline KLM said, “travellers are highly unlikely to be infected with Ebola, which cannot be transmitted under normal hygiene conditions”.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...es-cancel-flights-guinea-liberia-sierra-leone

The New York Post reported the incident occurred on an Arik Air plane that left from Lagos, Nigeria, one of the West Africa countries that has seen only a few Ebola cases in the current outbreak. The Post reported that a federal law enforcement source said the unnamed passenger vomited in his seat before dying. The plane, which carried 145 passengers, landed at JFK at 6 a.m. Thursday, according to the Post.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.co...vomited-died-on-flight-to-jfk/comment-page-1/
 
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Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
What puzzles me about all this is that I thought the fix was in, and that there was to be no more reporting of Ebola cases until after the election.

So why does the granddaddy of all such cases get reported, and big time?

What changed? What triggered this?
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
This is in no way the granddaddy of all cases. This is cut and dried, Dr goes to Africa, works with Ebola, gets it.

Granddaddy = random multiple ppl coming down with Ebola in various cities, all of whom have never been to Africa and don't know anybody from Africa.

THAT's when the panic starts.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
This is in no way the granddaddy of all cases. This is cut and dried, Dr goes to Africa, works with Ebola, gets it.

Granddaddy = random multiple ppl coming down with Ebola in various cities, all of whom have never been to Africa and don't know anybody from Africa.

THAT's when the panic starts.

It's in the middle of New York City. Financial nexus of most of the world, a major port of call, perhaps one of the most major cities on Earth. Some actually believe that it is the Mystery Babylon talked about in the Bible. I'd call that the biggest case yet.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
If it spreads in NYC from, for instance, the subway handles, then it will be big. Otherwise it's just more loud crowing by .gov officials about how they have it under control etc.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Immediate Ebola Dementia

I think the big obvious take-away at this point is that Ebola immediately causes brain changes, thinking errors. Ebola Dementia.

Ebola Dementia causes restlessness and a desire to go move around, travel. Caution and consideration are gone. Even in very ill patients it causes a strong desire to Bolt.

HCW who have seen the ravages of Ebola are still busy taking planes, cruise ships, subways, taxis etc and roaming around when they are supposed to be staying at home for 21 days.

If officials have half a brain cell working they will notice this huge red flag pattern and require mandatory enforced isolation if they wish to stop Ebola.

Duncan expressed strong desire to get out of hospital bed and take off. Lots of pix of Ebola pts scaling walls at clinics to escape. Ebola gives the runs.
 

The Traveler

Veteran Member
This is in no way the granddaddy of all cases. This is cut and dried, Dr goes to Africa, works with Ebola, gets it.

Granddaddy = random multiple ppl coming down with Ebola in various cities, all of whom have never been to Africa and don't know anybody from Africa.

THAT's when the panic starts.

Leska, I agree 100%. People are saying in many places, if you sat next to him or was standing next to him you will get Ebola. They said the same thing about Duncan, Sawyer and the nurse who flew to Ohio and back.
IF that were the case then why didn't all of Duncan's family get it after being in the apartment with him for several days?
Why didn't I get it or others get it when 1000s of people flew through DFW the day of or the day after Duncan flew there?
Why didn't my wife or others get it when 1000s of people flew through DFW the day of or the day after the nurse flew there?
Why didn't the 800 people that flew on or after the nurse flew on the Frontier flight get it?
Why didn't 1000s upon 1000s of Nigerians come down with the disease after Sawyer went there?

You simply cant hide the fact that if it were so easy to catch, that there wouldn't be 1000s of cases today right here in the US. The government and the MSM wouldn't be able to hold that tide back. We would be having first hand accounts daily of people on this very board saying that one of their friends or family had contracted it. That isn't happening. When it does then we will all need to have panic sex.
Flame me (not you Leska) if you wish but that is the way I see things at present.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
What puzzles me about all this is that I thought the fix was in, and that there was to be no more reporting of Ebola cases until after the election.

So why does the granddaddy of all such cases get reported, and big time?

What changed? What triggered this?

The ambulances and men in moon suits sorta gave it away. Too many cameras around taking pics to try to cover this one up. So, they will make it a big deal on how they got it in time and save him, blah, blah, blah..
 

rummer

Veteran Member
BTW AVOID PEOPLE (USUALLY WOMEN) WITH LONG FINGERNAILS!

If you wear long fingernails (beyond the pad of your finger) NOW IS THE TIME TO CUT THEM SHORT.
False nails now are also a no-no.
BOTH have been researched and proved to harbor and transfer significantly more infectious germs than people with short nails, making hand washing less effective with long nails.
Health care workers should be mandated to wear short fingernails.
Others. who want to stay healthy, should get a clue and do likewise.


Keep fingernails short, SO THEY DO NOT EXTEND PAST THE PAD OF THE FINGER, WHICH MEANS LESS THAN 1/4"!
http://www.nursezone.com/Nursing-Ne...Helps-Hospitals-Prevent-Infections_22066.aspx

Very good reminder for people. This is one of the very reasons why when working in ems I always kept my nails cut.
 

rummer

Veteran Member
Like several others, I believe theres early brain involvement before outward symptoms manifest. After all, there are virii that have an affinity for certain parts of the body over others. Rabies likes the brain, hepatitis likes the liver, herpes likes nerve tissues.... I think later it will be found that the brain is compromised very early on.

Agreed, no doubt about it.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Perhaps we can drop the character assassination for just a minute to see what protocols the doc was following:




MSF Protocols for Staff Returning from Ebola-Affected Countries (dated 23 October 2014)

Since the beginning of its operations in West Africa in March to combat the Ebola outbreak, Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has put in place stringent protocols to protect its staff from exposure to the Ebola virus and to monitor the health of its returning staff.

MSF has specific guidelines and protocols for staff members returning from Ebola assignments. These guidelines govern the 21-day incubation period of the virus (it can take up to 21 days to display symptoms of possible Ebola infection). A fever that develops during the 21-day period may also be due to something other than Ebola, such as the flu. A fever that develops after the 21-day-period is not due to Ebola.

Until today, out of more than 700 expatriate staff deployed so far to West Africa, no MSF staff person has developed confirmed Ebola symptoms after returning to their home country. While some MSF staff members have been exposed in the field, those exposures were detected and the staff members were immediately isolated and treated. Two international staff members have been medically evacuated. They have fully recovered.

MSF pre-identifies health facilities in the United States that can assist and manage the care of our staff members in the event they develop symptoms after their return home. This pre-identification practice is carried out in coordination with the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and departments of health at state and local levels.

Upon returning to the United States, each MSF staff member goes through a thorough debriefing process, during which they are informed of our guidelines.

The guidelines include the following instructions:

1. Check temperature two times per day
2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)
3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever
4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities
5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop

These guidelines are consistent with those provided by the CDC to people returning from one of the Ebola-affected countries in West Africa. MSF is also implementing new federal guidelines outlining reporting requirements for people returning from Ebola affected countries.

Our colleague in New York followed the MSF protocols and guidelines since returning from West Africa. At the immediate detection of fever on the morning of October 23, 2014, he swiftly notified the MSF office in New York. He did not leave his apartment until paramedics transported him safely to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, and he posed no public health threat prior to developing symptoms.

While MSF is not in a position to comment on his medical condition or the care he is receiving, the organization sincerely wishes for his swift and complete recovery.

Steps Doctors Without Borders takes to ensure the health and well being of its staff and the community at large:

If returned staff members do not live within four hours of appropriate medical facilities, MSF will ensure they are accommodated appropriately during the 21-day incubation period.

In the unlikely event that a staff person develops Ebola-like symptoms within the 21-day period, he/she is advised to immediately contact MSF and to refrain from traveling on public transportation. Local health authorities are immediately notified.

As long as a returned staff member does not experience any symptoms, normal life can proceed. Family, friends, and neighbors can be assured that a returned staff person who does not present symptoms is not contagious and does not put them at risk. Self-quarantine is neither warranted nor recommended when a person is not displaying Ebola-like symptoms.

However, returned staff members are discouraged from returning to work during the 21-day period. Field assignments are extremely challenging and people need to regain energy. In addition, people who return to work too quickly could catch a simple bacterial or viral infection (common cold, bronchitis, flu etc.) that may have symptoms similar to Ebola. This can create needless stress and anxiety for the person involved and his/her colleagues. For this reason, MSF continues to provide salaries to returned staff for the 21-day period.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...cted-countries


H/T Flutrackers.com

I found the answer to my question. According to Doctors Without Borders, as long as there are no symptoms, life can proceed normally.
They may need to rethink that!
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
WRT to cops tossing the gloves in public trash--

Not sure if people know, but NY Fire and Cops are under consent decree from Feds to use quotas.

Don't know if its relevant here, but interesting!!
 

willdo

Veteran Member
Here is a report from an co-worker on the patient zero, Patrick Sawyer, who started the outbreak in Nigeria. Take note of his knowledge of the disease and his behavior.

http://nigeriana.org/blog/77789.html

Liberia: Letter From Lagos – Wish Liberia Had Done
This Much to Curb Ebola
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Lagos — On the day my country, liberia turned 167, I touched down in Lagos, nigeria to see for myself what really happened to Patrick Sawyer and how he died. Sawyer, a WASH Consultant, at the Ministry of Finance, who was quarantined since falling ill after arriving here for a conference last Sunday, was pronounced dead as a result of Ebola, the first casualty here. The speculations have been endless: That upon concluding he had the virus, Nigerian authorities forcefully ended his life to prevent the deadly outbreak from spreading into its 168 million population. Truth or false, fact or fiction: Few would argue that if what the Nigerians feared or had ample medical evidence,they had to do what they had to do to avert or avoid what is already wreaking havoc in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, killing, according to the latest World Health Organization numbers, more than 670 people with more than 1000 cases reported. The worst previous outbreak, in 2000 in Uganda, saw 425 people infected, of which just over half died.

Local newspapers quoting some of the passengers on the flight reported that many agree that it was unfair for Sawyer to have been allowed to go away without ensuring their health had not been compromised. Others are demanding that screening of people should have been adopted earlier to stop the spread of the disease. In liberia those casualties have included Dr. Samuel Mutooro, a Ugandan doctor, who lost his life trying to save a peer, Esther Kesselly, several other healthcare workers, including Dr. Samuel Brisbane, headdoctor at JFK. Two Americans working with the medical humanitarian group, Samaritan Purse have also been infected. Dr. Kent Brantly, 33 and Nancy Writebol are in liberia helping to respond to the outbreak that has killed 129 people nationwide when he fell ill, according to the North Carolina-based medical charity, Samaritan’s Purse. Writebol is said to be gravely ill and in isolation at the ELWA facility, now being used as a major Ebola containment center.

Others on various social networks and chatter rooms have pointed to Sawyer’s own carelessness as having played a role in his death. I spoke to Sawyer via phone some three weeks ago to express my sympathy upon hearing of his sister’s death. He had explained to me that the sister’s husband had fled after her death and that he had gone in search of him, in hopes of bringing husband to test for Ebola. I even spoke to him the night before he died – and he sounded fine, tried calling back later but the phone rang endlessly. By 6am I received a call from a senior government official with whom I had discussed the situation the night before, that Sawyer had expired, even though the conclusive test was still due. It was announced shortly after his death that he died of Ebola. Local media reported here Monday that Sawyer’s body was cremated a few days ago.

What I forgot to ask Patrick then, was whether he had made contact with his sister? Whether he himself had been tested? More importantly, I keep wondering how much it would have taken health authorities in liberia to quarantine Sawyer and all those he came in contact with before his death: The usual crew with whom he ran regularly with on Saturday mornings at the Samuel Kanyon Doe Sports Complex; His immediate family and most importantly, those with whom he worked at the Ministry of Finance?
I would like to think that the answer to all the above were all in the affirmative, that authorities took precaution by doing all those things, but having seen and reported stories about suspected-Ebola patients carried on the backs of friends and relatives who just dropped them off at the Cholera Unit and went back in their communities without being tested or quarantined, hope remains slim and skepticism at an all time high.

The sad reality is, all Liberians are guilty of overlooking a deadly virus and taking it for granted. We’re talking about a country where citizens have attacked an Emergency Room at the country’s largest hospital demanding the body of a relative who had just been diagnosed with Ebola, a country where a nurse was stabbed on her way to work in her nursing uniform, a country where some relatives are determined to hold regular funeral for relatives who have died from Ebola even though they have been told
that it is dangerous, a country where some medical facilities are still without protective gears.

Mind you, people have contracted the virus after coming in contact with dead and living chimpanzees, gorillas, monkeys, forest antelope, porcupines and humans. More importantly, doctors and nurses in the line of fire are dying in the droves even as the World Health Organization have declared that testing blood specimens for the disease presents “an extreme risk”, and must be done only under the strictest containment conditions. Even those foreign doctors on the front line at the only facility capable of dealing with the outbreak, the Samaritan Purse at ELWA are putting their lives at risk.

Despite the danger, these Samaritan Purse doctors continue to press on, against dissent from ELWA community residents who have resisted the doctors’ attempt to open more centers to cater to more suspected cases out of fear that the disease will spread to them. As a result, the good Samaritans are no longer taking new cases. So much for trying to do good to a nation that does everything to show their ignorance, intolerance and naivety. This brings me back to Lagos and my mission here. Gauging between how my own country handled the outbreak in the initial stages and what I have seen and experienced since I arrived here, I think it is pretty fair to say that my country “F… .ed up.

One could argue that authorities in Lagos where the federal government has issued an alert, canceled flights to Liberia and IMPLEMENT, not just DECLARED stringent measures are doing so because of its large population, with millions of peoples’ lives at stake and at risk. Here, authorities are actually scrambling to contain the threat since Patrick Sawyer’s death. International airports in nigeria are screening passengers arriving from foreign countries for symptoms of Ebola, Health officials are also working with ports and land borders and giving out information in terms of enlightenment, what to do? what to look out for? More importantly, airports are setting up holding rooms to be ready in case another potential Ebola victim lands in nigeria.

In Liberia, a long-debated border closure have finally been ‘DECLARED’ and the President has again declared yet another state of emergency. To understand the magnitude of Patrick Sawyer’s death, one has to weigh a series of possible complications. Besides those he may have come in contact with in Monrovia, the SKD Sports Complex and his peers at Finance Ministry, the plane carrying Sawyer, stopped in Lome, Togo, according to the World Health Organization. There have been some reports that he vomited a few times among friends prior to making his trek and even vomited on the plane; that he argued with a Deputy Minister over the delay in getting his travel per diem and unanswered questions over how forthcoming Patrick was to his family, his friends, the government he worked for and his country.

Authorities announced Friday that blood tests from the Lagos University Teaching Hospital confirmed Sawyer died of Ebola earlier that day. “Several potential vaccines are being tested but it could be several years before any are available,” according to the WHO. “A new drug therapy has shown some promise in laboratory studies and is currently being evaluated.” In Monrovia, shutdowns have been announced at several government buildings: The General Services Agency, the National Oil Company of Liberia, the Ministry of Finance. In setting up her task force to deal with the Ebola threat, President Sirleaf says: “We must come together as never before despite of our political, religious and social persuasions, we must show a deep sense of nationalism. We must reach across borders and join our brothers and sisters in other neighboring countries that are affected to ensure continuing common response.” Upon the declaration of Ebola as a National Emergency, the task force headed by President Sirleaf, has announced the closure of all border entry points.”

I hope that this time, the president means it, I hope this time eye-servant Cabinet ministers and government officials, notorious for waiting for the President to move before they move will take this Ebola madness more serious than they have. While the setting up of a task force and late measures to curb Ebola is commendable, the president must take steps and action to dismiss someone over the poor handling of this, particularly, whoever was responsible for not quarantining Patrick Sawyer and whoever allowed him to leave Liberia. As a result of incompetence, nigeria has suspended flight operations to Liberia and Sierra Leone even as it advised that all inbound flights into Nigeria from any of the Ebola affected countries be immediately suspended by the Federal Government. This is a major embarrassment for Liberia and could set a precedence for others to follow. In Monrovia, airline offices are jamming with those who can afford to leave. It is more than likely that most government officials will try to leave. What President Sirleaf should do, is order all those senior officials already out to return home and demand that they all stay in Liberia and deal with this madness.

If possible, President Sirleaf should designate Vice President Joseph Boakai to represent her at President Barack Obama’s White House meeting with African leaders next week. Liberia survived more than a decade of war and enduring a corrupt system. I hope and pray that we survive Ebola and that those foreign powers contemplating leaving Liberia reconsider and help us fix the mess health authorities have made. My diplomatic sources in Monrovia tell me that a town hall meeting of U.S. citizens in the country is being planned for Tuesday and U.S. embassy staff are meeting to ponder what’s next. We must all hope it doesn’t come to what many are dreading. At JFK, sources tell me that an emergency meeting was held Monday and that the staff has given the hospital management an ultimatum to shut the facility down between today and Wednesday for a 21-day incubation period, so that the entire facility can be sprayed. Both the Emergency Wing and OPD have already been shut down. Perhaps, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to quarantine all the healthcare workers. Sadly, 21 days would mean a living hell for pregnant mothers awaiting delivery or accident victims in need of urgent care. But nurses and doctors’ lives are at risk. “If the American doctors wearing masked and the best gears are getting infected, what about us,” a health worker told FrontPageAfrica via phone Monday, shortly after the meeting with management.

In hindsight, I hope those at the helm of power learn a hard lesson from this. Nigeria is taking these steps not because it does not consider Liberia a friend, not because it does not want a fellow ECOWAS nation to feel offended or bad, it is taking these measures because it wants to stop the spread, and keep Ebola out of reach of its 168 million population. My country of a little over four million, according to 2012 estimate, still has a long way to go. But leadership is about taking hard decisions, making tough choices -even at the expense of losing popularity or making someone feel bad.

I strongly believe that if our leaders had taken the steps they are ‘declaring’ now, we would not be in the situation we are today. But the damage is already done, the onus is on all of us to work within the reach of what we have to keep more people from dying, to give health care workers hope that the broken system will be restored so they can return to work, to bring hope to all and believability to many still harboring doubts about Ebola. As I end on this note, Arik Airlines which flew me into Lagos, has suspended flights to my homeland, passengers arriving here are being screened and the country is on Red Alert. I have to find another way out and hope and pray that this Ebola thing will pass over soon so that Liberia can return to normalcy from the state of uncertainty and fear now creeping and lurking behind the shadows of incompetence and failure. For those still in doubt? Ebola is for real. We must all work the clock and spread the word before we all end up dead.

BY RODNEY D. SIEH, 28 JULY 2014
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willdo

Veteran Member
This is a description of what took place once Patrick Sawyer was admitted to the hospital. I am also wondering having read some of the reports coming out of Africa, if Ebola alters their rationality so that they are not using good judgement, and become paranoid and aggressive once they are isolated? That would be creepy if a virus could have picked up the traits to do that, but not impossible, Rabies also impacts the behavior of animals, so that they are sometimes more aggressive. It may be that they need to re-think asking people to self-monitor and self-quarantine, we have seen repeated instances where intelligent people, even doctors, are not using good judgement about the risks in exposing others. Maybe Ebola impacts that area of the brain, as an advantage to spreading itself to another host.

Dr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh, a doctor at First Consultant Hospital, oversaw treatment of Patrick Sawyer, Nigeria's Ebola patient zero, when he arrived sick in Lagos, Nigeria's former capital and Africa's largest city, on a flight from Liberia in July.

Adadevoh fought to isolate Sawyer, a top official in the Liberian Ministry of Finance who did not take kindly to isolation and lied about his symptoms, officials said.

"Immediately, he was very aggressive," Dr. Benjamin Ohiaeri, the hospital's director, told the BBC. "He was more intent on leaving the hospital than anything else. He was screaming. He pulled his intravenous [tubes] and spilled the blood everywhere."

Adadevoh, the Telegraph writes, "effectively saved the country from disaster by spotting that its first Ebola patient was lying about his condition, and then stopped him leaving her clinic."

Sawyer, who had been caring for his Ebola-stricken sister, was reportedly set on visiting one of Nigeria's Pentecostal churches "in search of a cure from one of the so-called miracle pastors," the BBC said.

"The Liberian ambassador started calling Dr. Adadevoh, putting pressure on her and the institution," Ohiaeri said. "He felt we were kidnapping the gentleman and said it was a denial of his fundamental rights and we could face further actions. ... The only way we could be sure and live up to our responsibility to our people, the state and nation — this is all about patriotism at the end of the day — was to keep him here."

Sawyer, 40, collapsed in Lagos on July 20 after getting off a plane from Liberia. He died just five days later. Adadevo and 11 colleagues were infected with Ebola.

"She was fine all along and then suddenly it became apparent," Adadevoh's son Bankole Cardoso told the news service.

She died on Aug. 19.

"We lost some of our best staff," Ohiaeri said. "Dr. Adadevoh had been working with us for 21 years and was perhaps one of the most brilliant physicians. I worked with her. I know that she was sheer genius."

Thanks to patient isolation and aggressive contact tracing (including 18,500 visits to 894 people), Nigeria had just 20 Ebola cases, including eight deaths — a far lower death rate than the 70 percent seen elsewhere.

Cardoso, still mourning the loss of his mother, says it's become "more and more apparent exactly what she had done" in identifying Sawyer as patient zero.
http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-nigeria-hero-doctor-adadevoh-122828747.html
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Exactly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
By PIERS MORGAN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 12:35 EST, 24 October 2014 | UPDATED: 12:36 EST, 24 October 2014

PIERS MORGAN: So an Ebola-infected doctor has been wandering around New York City for a WEEK... but don't panic, citizens, the Mayor of Smugtown is on the case!

Dr Craig Spencer, New York’s first confirmed Ebola patient, is an exceptionally brave man.

I have unlimited admiration for members of Doctors Without Borders, like him, who risk their own lives to treat people in war-torn and disease-ravaged countries.

Unfortunately, Dr Spencer is also exceptionally selfish and stupid.

It almost defies belief that any qualified doctor could fly back to America after treating Ebola patients in West Africa and promptly insert himself straight back into New York’s streets like he’s been to Hawaii on vacation.

On Wednesday, just five days after returning from Guinea, and feeling ‘fatigued’, Dr Spencer jogged for three miles around Harlem, used an Uber cab, took the subway, ate in a restaurant, and went bowling.

Yesterday, the very next morning, he woke up with a fever, admitted himself to hospital and tested positive for Ebola.

It’s hard to conjure up a more outrageous breach of supposed health care ‘protocol’, isn’t it? Particularly by a leading health care practitioner.

Yet last night, in one of the most bizarre and unsettling public health press conferences I’ve ever watched, New York’s top officials congratulated themselves on a job well done.

Mayor Bill de Blasio, Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City health commissioner Dr Mary Bassett exuded an air of such extraordinary collective smuggery you’d think they were announcing a cure for cancer.

Their smirking message was: ‘Everything’s fine, no risk to anyone, we’ve had weeks to prepare, protocols all observed, nothing to see here folks, keep calm and carry on, high fives all round.’

Really?

One of your city’s top doctors has marched around most of Manhattan carrying one of the world’s most deadly viruses - and you guys want us to applaud your fantastic planning skills?

Time and again, they repeated the assertion that Dr Spencer had ‘self-isolated’ since coming back from Guinea.

This is demonstrable nonsense.

Dr Spencer deliberately and recklessly placed himself in close proximity to potentially thousands of New Yorkers. That’s not ‘self-isolation’, it’s self-exposure.

I don’t care if the risk from such exposure is 0.01% or 100% - it should never have happened at all.

He showed exactly the same kind of dangerous arrogance we saw from NBC health correspondent Nancy Snyderman, who ignored advice to self-quarantine so she could visit her favourite soup restaurant.

I accept that Ebola is difficult to catch. I also accept that panicking is unhelpful when it comes to public health scares.

But let’s cut to the quick: Ebola has infected over 10,000 people so far, of whom nearly half have died. It’s raging out of control in West Africa and more cases will inevitably arise in America.

The current ‘panic’ is not being fuelled by the media as President Obama and his administration would have everyone believe.

It’s being fuelled by the astonishingly cack-handed way they and the Centers for Disease Control are handling this crisis.

We’ve seen an infected African tourist being sent away from a Dallas hospital after presenting with Ebola symptoms - and a nurse at the same hospital getting infected when she treated him because her protective suit didn’t fit.

U.S. airports still welcome flights from worst-hit African countries despite many other nations implanting a flight ban.

Now we have a doctor ignoring all common sense to put New York at serious risk.

No sane human being understands why there is not a mandatory 21-day quarantine period ordered on every medic who returns to America from an Ebola-affected country where they’ve been treating infected patients.

It’s just the obvious, sensible thing to do when over 400 health workers caring for Ebola patients have caught it themselves.

But the CDC, led by hapless Dr Thomas Frieden, continues to refuse to issue this simple, easy-to-comprehend directive.

It’s insane.

The question I want urgently answered is this: how many more doctors and nurses are currently walking the streets of America after recently working with infected Ebola patients in West Africa?

And when it comes to spreading panic, what are New Yorkers supposed to think when they see photographs of policemen dumping their protective gloves and masks in public trash cans outside Dr Spencer’s apartment?

I know what I thought: WHAT THE **** ????

There is a serious lack of clarity to America’s Ebola response that I find deeply disturbing.

President Obama keeps telling us to stay cool, as he does with everything.

But why should we when his sole response so far has been to appoint an Ebola czar with zero health experience?

The only way Ebola will spread through America is if the health officials tasked with preventing that happening are complacent and disorganised.
Right now, I see complacency and disorganisation.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
So, what did De Blasio say in the news conf ?
Anyone?

Go here WO. Lots of videos from the CNN link. Including the one you're looking for

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/new-york-ebola-timeline/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- A doctor who recently returned from Guinea has tested positive for Ebola -- the first case of the deadly virus in New York City and the fourth diagnosed in the United States.

Here is a timeline of Craig Spencer's movements since he got back from the West African nation:

When did he return from Guinea?

Spencer came back to the United States last week after treating Ebola patients in Guinea, where he worked for Doctors Without Borders. He completed his work in Guinea on October 12 and left the country two days later via Brussels, Belgium.



Spencer posted this image to Facebook on September 18, saying, \

Spencer posted this image to Facebook on September 18, saying, "Off to Guinea with Doctors Without Borders (MSF)."

He arrived at John F. Kennedy International Airport on October 17, but he exhibited no symptoms of the virus until Thursday morning, said Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City's health commissioner.

The physician, who works at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, was checking his temperature twice a day. He has not seen any patients since his return.

Did he have any symptoms?

The 33-year-old did not have any symptoms just after his return, but he developed a fever, nausea, pain and fatigue Thursday morning, authorities said. He began feeling sluggish a couple of days ago, but his fever spiked to 100.3 degrees Fahrenheit (about 38 Celsius) the day his symptoms appeared.

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Spencer was in contact with a few people after he started exhibiting symptoms, authorities said. Ebola isn't contagious until someone has symptoms.

Three people -- his fiancée and two friends -- are being placed on quarantine and monitored, health officials said.

"They are all well at this time; none of them is sick," Bassett said.

Bassett provided a more detailed timeline of where Spencer has been since Tuesday, which is when she says he began to feel fatigued, though without a fever.

On Tuesday, he visited a coffee stand at the High Line -- a park built on a former elevated rail line on Manhattan's West Side -- and a Meatball Shop restaurant in Manhattan, she said. On Wednesday, he took a 3-mile run along Riverside Drive and his neighborhood, and took the subway to visit the Gutter bowling alley in Brooklyn, she said. He wasn't symptomatic until Thursday, when he had a low-grade fever between 10 and 11 a.m., officials said.

The bowling alley closed Thursday as a precaution, but it said that health officials have determined there are no risks to customers.

The Gutter bowling alley said in a statement Friday that it was working with the city health department to "have the bar cleaned and sanitized" as a precautionary measure and expected to open later in the day.

Both the coffee stand and the bowling alley were assessed and cleared by health officials. The Meatball Shop was expected to reopen Friday evening.

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Spencer also traveled on three subway lines. "At the time that the doctor was on the subway, he did not have fever ... he was not symptomatic," Bassett said. Chances of anyone contracting the virus from contact with him are "close to nil," she said.






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U.S. President Barack Obama hugs Ebola survivor Nina Pham in the Oval Office of the White House on Friday, October 24. Pham, one of two Texas nurses who were diagnosed with the virus, was declared Ebola-free after being treated at a hospital in Bethesda.



Police officers on Thursday, October 23, stand outside the New York City apartment of Craig Spencer, a Doctors Without Borders physician who recently returned from West Africa and tested positive for Ebola. Health officials say the Ebola outbreak in West Africa is the deadliest ever. More than 4,800 people have died there, according to the World Health Organization.


Health workers in Port Loko, Sierra Leone, transport the body of a person who is suspected to have died of Ebola on Tuesday, October 21.


RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of the California Nurses Association and National Nurses United, talks to reporters in Sacramento, California, after meeting with Gov. Jerry Brown to discuss the Ebola crisis on October 21.


Health workers bury a body on the outskirts of Monrovia, Liberia, on Monday, October 20.


Christine Wade, a registered nurse at the University of Texas Medical Branch, greets Carnival Magic passengers disembarking in Galveston, Texas, on Sunday, October 19. Nurses met passengers with Ebola virus fact sheets and were available to answer any questions. A Dallas health care worker was in voluntary isolation aboard the cruise ship because of her potential contact with the Ebola virus. She had shown no signs of the disease, however.


Garteh Korkoryah, center, is comforted during a memorial service for her son, Thomas Eric Duncan, on Saturday, October 18, in Salisbury, North Carolina. Duncan, a 42-year-old Liberian citizen, died October 8 in a Dallas hospital. He was in the country to visit his son and his son's mother, and he was the first person in the United States to be diagnosed with Ebola.


An airplane carrying Nina Pham arrives at an airport in Frederick, Maryland, on Thursday, October 16. Pham is one of the two nurses who were diagnosed with Ebola after treating Duncan. Pham was sent to Maryland to be treated at a National Institutes of Health hospital, and she was declared Ebola-free several days later.


Boys run from blowing dust as a U.S. military aircraft leaves the construction site of an Ebola treatment center in Tubmanburg, Liberia, on Wednesday, October 15.


Aid workers from the Liberian Medical Renaissance League stage an Ebola awareness event October 15 in Monrovia. The group performs street dramas throughout Monrovia to educate the public on Ebola symptoms and how to handle people who are infected with the virus.


U.S. President Barack Obama speaks to the media about Ebola during a meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House on October 15. Obama said his administration will respond to new Ebola cases "in a much more aggressive way," taking charge of the issue after the second Texas nurse was diagnosed with the disease.


A U.S. Marine looks out from an MV-22 Osprey aircraft before landing at the site of an Ebola treatment center under construction in Tubmanburg on October 15. It is the first of 17 Ebola treatment centers to be built by Liberian army soldiers and American troops as part of the U.S. response to the epidemic.


A man dressed in protective clothing treats the front porch of a Dallas apartment where one of the infected nurses resides on Sunday, October 12.


Ebola survivors prepare to leave a Doctors Without Borders treatment center after recovering from the virus in Paynesville, Liberia, on October 12.


A member of the Liberian army stands near a U.S. aircraft Saturday, October 11, in Tubmanburg.


A woman crawls toward the body of her sister as a burial team takes her away for cremation Friday, October 10, in Monrovia. The sister had died from Ebola earlier in the morning while trying to walk to a treatment center, according to her relatives.


Ebola survivor Joseph Yensy prepares to be discharged from the Doctors Without Borders treatment center in Paynesville, Liberia, on Sunday, October 5.


Sanitized boots dry at the Doctors Without Borders treatment center in Paynesville on October 5.


Residents of an Ebola-affected township take home kits distributed by Doctors Without Borders on Saturday, October 4, in New Kru Town, Liberia. The kits, which include buckets, soap, gloves, anti-contamination gowns, plastic bags, a spray bottle and masks, are meant to give people some level of protection if a family member becomes sick.


A person peeks out from the Dallas apartment where Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the United States, was staying on Friday, October 3.


A girl cries as community activists approach her outside her Monrovia home on Thursday, October 2, a day after her mother was taken to an Ebola ward.


Marie Nyan, whose mother died of Ebola, carries her 2-year-old son, Nathaniel Edward, to an ambulance in the Liberian village of Freeman Reserve on Tuesday, September 30.


A health official uses a thermometer Monday, September 29, to screen a Ukrainian crew member on the deck of a cargo ship at the Apapa port in Lagos, Nigeria.


Children pray during Sunday service at the Bridgeway Baptist Church in Monrovia on Sunday, September 28.


Residents of the St. Paul Bridge neighborhood in Monrovia take a man suspected of having Ebola to a clinic on September 28.


Workers move a building into place as part of a new Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on September 28.


Medical staff members at the Doctors Without Borders facility in Monrovia burn clothes belonging to Ebola patients on Saturday, September 27.


A health worker in Freetown, Sierra Leone, sprays disinfectant around the area where a man sits before loading him into an ambulance on Wednesday, September 24.


Medics load an Ebola patient onto a plane at Sierra Leone's Freetown-Lungi International Airport on Monday, September 22.


A few people are seen in Freetown during a three-day nationwide lockdown on Sunday, September 21. In an attempt to curb the spread of the Ebola virus, people in Sierra Leone were told to stay in their homes.


Supplies wait to be loaded onto an aircraft at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport on Saturday, September 20. It was the largest single shipment of aid to the Ebola zone to date, and it was coordinated by the Clinton Global Initiative and other U.S. aid organizations.


A child stops on a Monrovia street Friday, September 12, to look at a man who is suspected of suffering from Ebola.


Health workers on Wednesday, September 10, carry the body of a woman who they suspect died from the Ebola virus in Monrovia.


A woman in Monrovia carries the belongings of her husband, who died after he was infected by the Ebola virus.


Health workers in Monrovia place a corpse into a body bag on Thursday, September 4.


After an Ebola case was confirmed in Senegal, people load cars with household items as they prepare to cross into Guinea from the border town of Diaobe, Senegal, on Wednesday, September 3.


Crowds cheer and celebrate in the streets Saturday, August 30, after Liberian authorities reopened the West Point slum in Monrovia. The military had been enforcing a quarantine on West Point, fearing a spread of the Ebola virus.


A health worker wearing a protective suit conducts an Ebola prevention drill at the port in Monrovia on Friday, August 29.


Volunteers working with the bodies of Ebola victims in Kenema, Sierra Leone, sterilize their uniforms on Sunday, August 24.


A guard stands at a checkpoint Saturday, August 23, between the quarantined cities of Kenema and Kailahun in Sierra Leone.


A burial team from the Liberian Ministry of Health unloads bodies of Ebola victims onto a funeral pyre at a crematorium in Marshall, Liberia, on Friday, August 22.


Dr. Kent Brantly leaves Emory University Hospital on Thursday, August 21, after being declared no longer infectious from the Ebola virus. Brantly was one of two American missionaries brought to Emory for treatment of the deadly virus.


Family members of West Point district commissioner Miata Flowers flee the slum in Monrovia while being escorted by the Ebola Task Force on Wednesday, August 20.


An Ebola Task Force soldier beats a local resident while enforcing a quarantine on the West Point slum on August 20.


Local residents gather around a very sick Saah Exco, 10, in a back alley of the West Point slum on Tuesday, August 19. The boy was one of the patients that was pulled out of a holding center for suspected Ebola patients after the facility was overrun and closed by a mob on August 16. A local clinic then refused to treat Saah, according to residents, because of the danger of infection. Although he was never tested for Ebola, Saah's mother and brother died in the holding center.


A burial team wearing protective clothing retrieves the body of a 60-year-old Ebola victim from his home near Monrovia on Sunday, August 17.


lija Siafa, 6, stands in the rain with his 10-year-old sister, Josephine, while waiting outside Doctors Without Borders' Ebola treatment center in Monrovia on August 17. The newly built facility will initially have 120 beds, making it the largest-ever facility for Ebola treatment and isolation.


Brett Adamson, a staff member from Doctors Without Borders, hands out water to sick Liberians hoping to enter the new Ebola treatment center on August 17.


Workers prepare the new Ebola treatment center on August 17.


A body, reportedly a victim of Ebola, lies on a street corner in Monrovia on Saturday, August 16.


Liberian police depart after firing shots in the air while trying to protect an Ebola burial team in the West Point slum of Monrovia on August 16. A crowd of several hundred local residents reportedly drove away the burial team and their police escort. The mob then forced open an Ebola isolation ward and took patients out, saying the Ebola epidemic is a hoax.


A crowd enters the grounds of an Ebola isolation center in the West Point slum on August 16. The mob was reportedly shouting, "No Ebola in West Point."


A health worker disinfects a corpse after a man died in a classroom being used as an Ebola isolation ward Friday, August 15, in Monrovia.


A boy tries to prepare his father before they are taken to an Ebola isolation ward August 15 in Monrovia.


Kenyan health officials take passengers' temperature as they arrive at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport on Thursday, August 14, in Nairobi, Kenya.


A hearse carries the coffin of Spanish priest Miguel Pajares after he died at a Madrid hospital on Tuesday, August 12. Pajares, 75, contracted Ebola while he was working as a missionary in Liberia.


Health workers in Kenema screen people for the Ebola virus on Saturday, August 9, before they enter the Kenema Government Hospital.


Paramedics in protective suits move Pajares, the infected Spanish priest, at Carlos III Hospital in Madrid on Thursday, August 7. He died five days later.


Nurses carry the body of an Ebola victim from a house outside Monrovia on Wednesday, August 6.


A Nigerian health official wears protective gear August 6 at Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Lagos.


Officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta sit in on a conference call about Ebola with CDC team members deployed in West Africa on Tuesday, August 5.


Aid worker Nancy Writebol, wearing a protective suit, gets wheeled on a gurney into Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on August 5. A medical plane flew Writebol from Liberia to the United States after she and her colleague Dr. Kent Brantly were infected with the Ebola virus in the West African country.


Nigerian health officials are on hand to screen passengers at Murtala Muhammed International Airport on Monday, August 4.


Nurses wearing protective clothing are sprayed with disinfectant Friday, August 1, in Monrovia after they prepared the bodies of Ebola victims for burial.


A nurse disinfects the waiting area at the ELWA Hospital in Monrovia on Monday, July 28.


In this photo provided by Samaritan's Purse, Dr. Kent Brantly, left, treats an Ebola patient in Monrovia. On July 26, the North Carolina-based group said Brantly tested positive for the disease. Days later, Brantly arrived in Georgia to be treated at an Atlanta hospital, becoming the first Ebola patient to knowingly be treated in the United States.


A doctor puts on protective gear at the treatment center in Kailahun on Sunday, July 20.


Members of Doctors Without Borders adjust tents in the isolation area in Kailahun on July 20.


Boots dry in the Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on July 20.


Dr. Jose Rovira of the World Health Organization takes a swab from a suspected Ebola victim in Pendembu, Sierra Leone, on Friday, July 18.


Red Cross volunteers disinfect each other with chlorine after removing the body of an Ebola victim from a house in Pendembu on July 18.


A doctor works in the field laboratory at the Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on Thursday, July 17.


Doctors Without Borders staff prepare to enter the isolation ward at an Ebola treatment center in Kailahun on July 17.


Dr. Mohamed Vandi of the Kenema Government Hospital trains community volunteers who will aim to educate people about Ebola in Sierra Leone.


A woman has her temperature taken at a screening checkpoint on the road out of Kenema on Wednesday, July 9.


A member of Doctors Without Borders puts on protective gear at the isolation ward of the Donka Hospital in Conakry on Saturday, June 28.


Airport employees check passengers in Conakry before they leave the country on Thursday, April 10.


A Guinea-Bissau customs official watches arrivals from Conakry on Tuesday, April 8.


Egidia Almeida, a nurse in Guinea-Bissau, scans a Guinean citizen coming from Conakry on April 8.


A scientist separates blood cells from plasma cells to isolate any Ebola RNA and test for the virus Thursday, April 3, at the European Mobile Laboratory in Gueckedou, Guinea.


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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told CNN's "New Day" that the transit system was safe. He said he would ride the subway Friday.

"The MTA New York City Subway system is safe to ride," the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates the nation's largest public transit network, said in a statement, adding that the agency has "existing protocols for cleaning potentially infectious waste such as bodily fluids from anywhere" in the transit system.

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Is the hospital equipped to handle Ebola cases?

Spencer is at New York's Bellevue Hospital Center, where he has been in isolation since emergency personnel took him there.

It's one of eight hospitals statewide designated by Cuomo as part of an Ebola preparedness plan.

"We are as ready as one could be," Cuomo said. His state will be different from Texas, he said, where a Liberian man was diagnosed with Ebola and two nurses who treated him later contracted the virus. The man, Thomas Eric Duncan, died October 8.

"We had the advantage of learning from the Dallas experience," he said.

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How will his case be different from Duncan's?

Duncan, who had flown from Liberia to Dallas, was the first person diagnosed with the disease in the United States. Two nurses who helped care for him also underwent treatment, raising concerns about the nation's ability to deal with an outbreak.

One of the Dallas nurses, Nina Pham, has been declared free of the Ebola virus, the National Institutes of Health said Friday.

Pham appeared at a NIH news conference in Maryland, where she thanked Dr. Kent Brantly, the American physician who also survived Ebola, for donating his plasma to her while she was sick. She also thanked God, her family, friends and the medical professionals who treated her.

"I feel fortunate and blessed to be standing here today," she told reporters.

NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci said, "She has no virus in her. She feels well."

Pham said it will be awhile before she has her strength back and asked for privacy "as I return to Texas and try to get back to a normal life."

The other nurse, Amber Vinson, "is making good progress in her treatment for Ebola virus infection," Emory University Hospital physicians said in a statement with the CDC on Friday.

"Tests no longer detect virus in her blood," the statement said. "She remains within Emory's Serious Communicable Diseases Unit for continued supportive care. We do not have a discharge date at this time."

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said his city followed every protocol in its handling of Spencer's case.

For starters, Spencer was admitted to a hospital as soon as he developed symptoms, unlike Duncan, who was sent home with antibiotics the first time he went to Texas Presbyterian Hospital. Duncan returned days later and was hospitalized.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has dispatched a team to New York to help with the case.

"We want to state at the outset there is no reason for New Yorkers to be alarmed," the mayor said.

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What about his neighbors?

Spencer's Manhattan apartment has been isolated and locked.

City health department workers canvassed the neighborhood, distributing information about Ebola and slipping fliers under doors, said Eugene Upshaw, who lives in Spencer's building.

The handbills, which read "Ebola: Am I at risk?" explain the virus, its symptoms and how you can get it.

"What we're doing now is just telling the folks who live here in the neighborhood that they're safe. It's safe for them to be in their buildings, it's safe for them to go to their apartments, it's safe for them to walk down the street," said Sam Miller, associate commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

Ebola is spread by direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person. The outbreak has killed nearly 5,000 people, mostly in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

How many Ebola cases have been diagnosed in the U.S.?

Spencer is the fourth person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States. After Duncan, who was infected in his native Liberia before being diagnosed in Dallas, two nurses treating him later tested positive.

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Have there been other cases involving Americans?

Yes.

Five other Americans have been diagnosed with Ebola in West Africa and later transferred to the U.S. for treatment. They were treated and discharged from hospitals in Atlanta and Omaha, Nebraska.

An additional American died of Ebola in July after traveling to Nigeria from Liberia.

CNN's Miguel Marquez, Ray Sanchez and Shimon Prokupecz contributed to this report.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
It has been clear since July and Mr. Sawyer there is a mental health component in the Ebola virus. I judge the virus goes for the brain first, in the sort of World War Two Battleship shelling the beaches kind of way. After that initial Ebola salvo the infected person is primed to take actions that increase the spread of Ebola. We now have many credible reports of Ebola infected people, even before they are showing symptoms, engaged in questionable actions, at least until you factor in the Ebola Dementia phrase the Cascadians use.

My basic point is there are instances where the mental health issues cause a separate reaction. I have concluded that much of what is going on at College Campus parties is in fact, the second phase of alcohol use. The person gets drunk, and then in the lowered inhibition state does something else.

If people take a hard look at the Ebola infection, they will see it is a two phase viral attack. The initial attack is brain specific and designed to cause other behavior that will increase the spread of Ebola. The concept of self quarantine if flawed since it ignores the mental instability, the Ebola Dementia, and assumes Ebola infected people will, even in the early stages before they are showing symptoms, act rationally.

The CDC needs to assume that anybody who is Ebola infected will be dealing with Dementia. I can assure you all that since Ebola infected people will take actions that are not rational means the usual disease treatment scenarios are MEANINGLESS.

Yep, it is bad enough that we still let Ebola infected people to fly in with impunity from West Africa. What is worse, due to our PC open border mindset, is we can't admit these people are suffering from dementia.

Cascadians, that term is very good, and I will say it will be the doom of us all. We are not only dealing with a political, media and medical elite that will not admit the PC mindset is going to kill us, but one that fails to understand infected people are not going to act in the PUBLIC'S BEST INTEREST, due to VIRAL DEMENTIA.

You add together system incompetence, along with mental unstable Ebola infected people and you have a MEDICAL DISASTER.

One more thing, the New York METROPLEX, which is what you get if you draw a 25 mile circle from Manhattan includes roughly 20 MILLION PEOPLE. If Ebola gets loose, the USA will be fundamentally, permanently changed, and not for the better.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
If people take a hard look at the Ebola infection, they will see it is a two phase viral attack. The initial attack is brain specific and designed to cause other behavior that will increase the spread of Ebola.

You're giving the virus too much credit. I doubt that it's been through enough human passages (where secondary infections were from irrational behavior) to be selected for the trait. So "designed" (never really the right word) is inappropriate. It might be fortuitous, it may be genetic, but it probably has not been selected for.

Even if the trait were present in the African clade, any selection would be lost in the traditional burial practices; a trivial adaptive advantage doesn't come close to the infection certainties from kissing the corpse.

Now that it's in a less touch-focused treatment of the dead, the virus will be selected for different modes of transfer. Erratic behavior might well be adaptive, and selected for.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
35+ years of caregiving, my own 24/7 in-home biz plus endless agencies, nursing homes, hospitals, assisted living, etc. First rule of survival: observe. Have had innumerable dementia pts, Alz, multi infarc, parkinson's, senility from brain tumors, car accidents, chemo reactions, anesthesia, etc, endless list of things that affect brain functioning. Have seen many persons with increased sense of invulnerability as they are deteriorating from dementia and progressive physical conditions. Reading accounts of Ebola, this Ebola Dementia leaps out as first indication, a pronounced disconnect between reality and sick person's perceptions. Indeed the virus is urging the body to get out, move around, and spread the virus as much as possible.

Why hasn't the CDC addressed this instantly and as a prime red flag concern when it is glaringly apparent via stories and pix of Ebola pts?

Everybody screaming HOW COULD THEY!?! when an Ebola person hops on transport and travels, dines, has sex, runs, cruises, etc --

ANSWER: Ebola virus has already commandeered the brain. Ebola Dementia. That person has been Ebola Podded.
 

Petunia

Veteran Member
Question (may have been asked, if so sorry, I didn't see it or answers): Several Doctors without Borders personnel have contracted ebola. Doctors without Borders knows about PPE. As far as I can ascertain, they follow "procedures." So how are so many of their personnel contracting the disease?

If someone is encased in PPE dealing with a disease that our political minders tell us cannot be contracted by casual contact, how are they becoming ill? The same question applies with regard to Brantley, Whitebol, and the unnamed WHO doctor.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
i have been thinking this for a very long time, but we simply didn't have enough info to really make more than a "i'm wondering..." type theory.

we heard stories long ago from africa that this seemed to be a recurring problem. now yes, it COULD be rationalized as they were simply afraid of being in the hospital for x,y,z reasons, and that would be completely understandable. then those that know better (and i mean REALLY know better) got infected and have had some real lapses in judgement pretty quickly after infection. many of these have been health care workers. again, it COULD be attributed to arrogance on their part, but i have a real nagging suspicion that although that may play a part, this virus does affect cognitive function very quickly. perhaps it is part of how the virus works to help spread it. look at rabies. that virus also affects the mental faculties. it really could be that this is a mark of the disease, but not recognized until later.

Perhaps "known" is too strong a term, but (perhaps mistaknely) I did think that tendency was established. Back somewhere in August (?) I recall reading a report about a ward of Ebola patients who also broke out to run around loose in the market- apparently they were hungry. From another vaguely rememberd anecdote, iIt seems like common practice to just lock people in a room and wait it out. I can't imagine anyone doing that unless people were scared, and not just of contaigen. The sick either die in sealed houses, or crawl away to die in the jungle. However, I also remember early descriptions where in previous outbreaks, the healthy villagers ran away from the sick, permanently abandoning the village. Again, it almost sounds like fear of physical harm, as much as fear of contaigen.

No doubt we will know much more in the coming months.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Um...the good doctor was in Brussels on the 16th, one of the connecting hubs to get to the US....there are NO direct flights out of Guinea to the US. The guy from Nigeria, who died in flight, flew on the 16th. They could have crossed paths. It depends on where the man from Nigeria's flight originated and what connecting flights he took and the flight path the doctor took. We would need more details about their air travel routes to assess the potential. If the source of infection was the Nigerian man, there will likely be more infected people popping up in the news about now, could be any country.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...es-cancel-flights-guinea-liberia-sierra-leone

http://www.theminorityreportblog.co...vomited-died-on-flight-to-jfk/comment-page-1/

Their paths couldn't have crossed. The Nigeria flight was direct. ARIK airlines from Lagos to JFK.


---------http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2796641/fresh-fears-passenger-flying-nigeria-jfk-dies-seat-vomiting-profusely-body-declared-ebola-free-just-cursory-exam-cdc.html

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A 63-year-old American man has died during a flight from Nigeria to New York's JFK after vomiting profusely - but it was only a 'cursory' exam by the CDC that confirmed he did not have Ebola.


The unnamed passenger boarded an Arik Air plane out of Lagos, Nigeria, on Wednesday night, but passed away before the plane reached its final destination.
 
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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Post #181 of this thread is the statement from Doctors Without Borders describing their protocals as of October 23, 2014. In this statement they clearly say that if there are no symtoms, the HCW returning to his/her home country may proceed with normal living as long as they moniter their temperature.

Being a first world nation, we have shown that this also includes plane trips, cruises, and subways. These protocols need to be changed.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Post #181 of this thread is the statement from Doctors Without Borders describing their protocals as of October 23, 2014. In this statement they clearly say that if there are no symtoms, the HCW returning to his/her home country may proceed with normal living as long as they moniter their temperature.

Being a first world nation, we have shown that this also includes plane trips, cruises, and subways. These protocols need to be changed.

I believe this has happened. Gov's of NY and NJ held a presser stating that all oncoming passengers from W Africa WILL be put into a 21 day quarantine. And they will not be going ANYWHERE till that 21 days is up.
A nurse from the docs without borders is right now quarantined in Newark and not being allowed to leave. Period.

^ This, may keep some of the non US people from Africa from coming over or maybe not. I am just happy they are doing it. NOW, MA, and GA and DC need to do the same thing. Quarantine them till they are sure they are not infected.
Don't like it? Don't get on a plane to the US.

But now, they will try to get in thru Canada or Mexico prolly.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I believe this has happened. Gov's of NY and NJ held a presser stating that all oncoming passengers from W Africa WILL be put into a 21 day quarantine. And they will not be going ANYWHERE till that 21 days is up.
A nurse from the docs without borders is right now quarantined in Newark and not being allowed to leave. Period.

^ This, may keep some of the non US people from Africa from coming over or maybe not. I am just happy they are doing it. NOW, MA, and GA and DC need to do the same thing. Quarantine them till they are sure they are not infected.
Don't like it? Don't get on a plane to the US.

But now, they will try to get in thru Canada or Mexico prolly.

An imperfect start is better than nothing. May get the ball rolling. I am the last person to advocate for MORE government - I'm really torn on this: hate sealed borders, more BP, your papers please, etc. - but I can't see a way around it.

I can't figure out why we haven't had dozens of Duncans flying over.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
The New York doctor is described as feeling sluggish.
sluggish
adjective
1. indisposed to action or exertion; lacking in energy; lazy; indolent: a sluggish disposition.
2. not acting or working with full vigor, as bodily organs:a sluggish liver.
3. slow to act or respond:a sluggish car engine.
4. moving slowly, or having little motion, as a stream.
5. slow, as motion.
6. slack, as trade, business, or sales.

What does it mean when the doctor describes himself as feeling sluggish?
He jogged 3 miles.
He went bowling - twice.
He took a cab and the subway across town.
He went out to eat.
You can go through the itemized list above and cross out the things that don't match.
#6. slack, as trade, business, or sales. - no match.
#5. slow, as motion. - no match
#4. moving slowly, or having little motion, as a stream. - no match
#3. slow to act or respond:a sluggish car engine. - no match
#1. indisposed to action or exertion; lacking in energy; lazy; indolent: a sluggish disposition. - no match
We have a winner
2. not acting or working with full vigor, as bodily organs:a sluggish liver.
The 33-year-old did not have any symptoms just after his return, but he developed a fever, nausea, pain and fatigue Thursday morning, authorities said. He began feeling sluggish a couple of days ago, but his fever spiked to 100.3 degrees Fahrenheit (about 38 Celsius) the day his symptoms appeared.
source - http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/new-york-ebola-timeline/index.html
So he developed fever Thursday morning.
But he was feeling sluggish a couple days earlier - not Wednesday - at the very least Tuesday he was feeling sluggish.

If you were to say you felt sluggish, what would that mean - precisely?
 

Be Well

may all be well
An imperfect start is better than nothing. May get the ball rolling. I am the last person to advocate for MORE government - I'm really torn on this: hate sealed borders, more BP, your papers please, etc. - but I can't see a way around it.

I can't figure out why we haven't had dozens of Duncans flying over.

You hate sealed borders??????????????????????????????????????
 
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