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Day by day
Waiting . . .
Us, too. I wonder if they're waiting until after the CDC briefing on the release of Nina Pham? Going on now...
Waiting . . .
Is this true? A supporter of Obastard?
Since it is so hard to catch this disease, Obanga should visit this constituent and give him a big old ebola hug... and even a smooch because he is so cute.
You can only get Ebola by being exposed to bodily fluids ... Fever and other symptoms were this morning ...
I'm sorry but this Dr. spent months treating infected people with the Ebola virus and was told to self quarantine for 21 days yet he took public cabs, the subway, went bowling and had contact with his fiancée' with the full knowledge that he could be harming these people within the incubation period. Yes, he did this intentionally IMHO and should be charged as a terrorist. How much was he paid was my first thought. Sorry, tin foil on too tight.
Us, too. I wonder if they're waiting until after the CDC briefing on the release of Nina Pham? Going on now...
"The guy that died flew in from Nigeria on the 16th.
Spencer landed at JFK on the 17th (per CNN)
Different airlines as far as I can tell and flew from different countries.
Thanks for the quick response. Still makes you wonder who he may have come in contact with during his travels, I don't think we should assume he got it from treating a patient although that would lessen some of the panic if that's how he got it. It's a lot scarier to contemplate that the fact that he treated patients was just a coincidence and that he caught it the way anyone else flying from that part of Africa can catch it. Especially if he'd been there for months and was ebola free that whole time when he was around people who were all being super careful."
According to his Facebook page, he left for West Africa via Brussels last month. A photo shows him in full protective gear. He returned to Brussels Oct. 16.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...es-cancel-flights-guinea-liberia-sierra-leoneBrussels Airlines, the only European carrier to serve all three affected countries, said it would continue flights, while Dutch airline KLM said, “travellers are highly unlikely to be infected with Ebola, which cannot be transmitted under normal hygiene conditions”.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.co...vomited-died-on-flight-to-jfk/comment-page-1/The New York Post reported the incident occurred on an Arik Air plane that left from Lagos, Nigeria, one of the West Africa countries that has seen only a few Ebola cases in the current outbreak. The Post reported that a federal law enforcement source said the unnamed passenger vomited in his seat before dying. The plane, which carried 145 passengers, landed at JFK at 6 a.m. Thursday, according to the Post.
This is in no way the granddaddy of all cases. This is cut and dried, Dr goes to Africa, works with Ebola, gets it.
Granddaddy = random multiple ppl coming down with Ebola in various cities, all of whom have never been to Africa and don't know anybody from Africa.
THAT's when the panic starts.
This is in no way the granddaddy of all cases. This is cut and dried, Dr goes to Africa, works with Ebola, gets it.
Granddaddy = random multiple ppl coming down with Ebola in various cities, all of whom have never been to Africa and don't know anybody from Africa.
THAT's when the panic starts.
What puzzles me about all this is that I thought the fix was in, and that there was to be no more reporting of Ebola cases until after the election.
So why does the granddaddy of all such cases get reported, and big time?
What changed? What triggered this?
And puppies too.
BTW AVOID PEOPLE (USUALLY WOMEN) WITH LONG FINGERNAILS!
If you wear long fingernails (beyond the pad of your finger) NOW IS THE TIME TO CUT THEM SHORT.
False nails now are also a no-no.
BOTH have been researched and proved to harbor and transfer significantly more infectious germs than people with short nails, making hand washing less effective with long nails.
Health care workers should be mandated to wear short fingernails.
Others. who want to stay healthy, should get a clue and do likewise.
Keep fingernails short, SO THEY DO NOT EXTEND PAST THE PAD OF THE FINGER, WHICH MEANS LESS THAN 1/4"!
http://www.nursezone.com/Nursing-Ne...Helps-Hospitals-Prevent-Infections_22066.aspx
Like several others, I believe theres early brain involvement before outward symptoms manifest. After all, there are virii that have an affinity for certain parts of the body over others. Rabies likes the brain, hepatitis likes the liver, herpes likes nerve tissues.... I think later it will be found that the brain is compromised very early on.
MSF Protocols for Staff Returning from Ebola-Affected Countries (dated 23 October 2014)
Since the beginning of its operations in West Africa in March to combat the Ebola outbreak, Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has put in place stringent protocols to protect its staff from exposure to the Ebola virus and to monitor the health of its returning staff.
MSF has specific guidelines and protocols for staff members returning from Ebola assignments. These guidelines govern the 21-day incubation period of the virus (it can take up to 21 days to display symptoms of possible Ebola infection). A fever that develops during the 21-day period may also be due to something other than Ebola, such as the flu. A fever that develops after the 21-day-period is not due to Ebola.
Until today, out of more than 700 expatriate staff deployed so far to West Africa, no MSF staff person has developed confirmed Ebola symptoms after returning to their home country. While some MSF staff members have been exposed in the field, those exposures were detected and the staff members were immediately isolated and treated. Two international staff members have been medically evacuated. They have fully recovered.
MSF pre-identifies health facilities in the United States that can assist and manage the care of our staff members in the event they develop symptoms after their return home. This pre-identification practice is carried out in coordination with the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and departments of health at state and local levels.
Upon returning to the United States, each MSF staff member goes through a thorough debriefing process, during which they are informed of our guidelines.
The guidelines include the following instructions:
1. Check temperature two times per day
2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)
3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever
4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities
5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms develop
These guidelines are consistent with those provided by the CDC to people returning from one of the Ebola-affected countries in West Africa. MSF is also implementing new federal guidelines outlining reporting requirements for people returning from Ebola affected countries.
Our colleague in New York followed the MSF protocols and guidelines since returning from West Africa. At the immediate detection of fever on the morning of October 23, 2014, he swiftly notified the MSF office in New York. He did not leave his apartment until paramedics transported him safely to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan, and he posed no public health threat prior to developing symptoms.
While MSF is not in a position to comment on his medical condition or the care he is receiving, the organization sincerely wishes for his swift and complete recovery.
Steps Doctors Without Borders takes to ensure the health and well being of its staff and the community at large:
If returned staff members do not live within four hours of appropriate medical facilities, MSF will ensure they are accommodated appropriately during the 21-day incubation period.
In the unlikely event that a staff person develops Ebola-like symptoms within the 21-day period, he/she is advised to immediately contact MSF and to refrain from traveling on public transportation. Local health authorities are immediately notified.
As long as a returned staff member does not experience any symptoms, normal life can proceed. Family, friends, and neighbors can be assured that a returned staff person who does not present symptoms is not contagious and does not put them at risk. Self-quarantine is neither warranted nor recommended when a person is not displaying Ebola-like symptoms.
However, returned staff members are discouraged from returning to work during the 21-day period. Field assignments are extremely challenging and people need to regain energy. In addition, people who return to work too quickly could catch a simple bacterial or viral infection (common cold, bronchitis, flu etc.) that may have symptoms similar to Ebola. This can create needless stress and anxiety for the person involved and his/her colleagues. For this reason, MSF continues to provide salaries to returned staff for the 21-day period.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org...cted-countries
H/T Flutrackers.com
I found the answer to my question. According to Doctors Without Borders, as long as there are no symptoms, life can proceed normally.
They may need to rethink that!
http://nigeriana.org/blog/77789.html
Liberia: Letter From Lagos – Wish Liberia Had Done
This Much to Curb Ebola
nigeriana.org /blog/77789.html
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Lagos — On the day my country, liberia turned 167, I touched down in Lagos, nigeria to see for myself what really happened to Patrick Sawyer and how he died. Sawyer, a WASH Consultant, at the Ministry of Finance, who was quarantined since falling ill after arriving here for a conference last Sunday, was pronounced dead as a result of Ebola, the first casualty here. The speculations have been endless: That upon concluding he had the virus, Nigerian authorities forcefully ended his life to prevent the deadly outbreak from spreading into its 168 million population. Truth or false, fact or fiction: Few would argue that if what the Nigerians feared or had ample medical evidence,they had to do what they had to do to avert or avoid what is already wreaking havoc in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea, killing, according to the latest World Health Organization numbers, more than 670 people with more than 1000 cases reported. The worst previous outbreak, in 2000 in Uganda, saw 425 people infected, of which just over half died.
Local newspapers quoting some of the passengers on the flight reported that many agree that it was unfair for Sawyer to have been allowed to go away without ensuring their health had not been compromised. Others are demanding that screening of people should have been adopted earlier to stop the spread of the disease. In liberia those casualties have included Dr. Samuel Mutooro, a Ugandan doctor, who lost his life trying to save a peer, Esther Kesselly, several other healthcare workers, including Dr. Samuel Brisbane, headdoctor at JFK. Two Americans working with the medical humanitarian group, Samaritan Purse have also been infected. Dr. Kent Brantly, 33 and Nancy Writebol are in liberia helping to respond to the outbreak that has killed 129 people nationwide when he fell ill, according to the North Carolina-based medical charity, Samaritan’s Purse. Writebol is said to be gravely ill and in isolation at the ELWA facility, now being used as a major Ebola containment center.
Others on various social networks and chatter rooms have pointed to Sawyer’s own carelessness as having played a role in his death. I spoke to Sawyer via phone some three weeks ago to express my sympathy upon hearing of his sister’s death. He had explained to me that the sister’s husband had fled after her death and that he had gone in search of him, in hopes of bringing husband to test for Ebola. I even spoke to him the night before he died – and he sounded fine, tried calling back later but the phone rang endlessly. By 6am I received a call from a senior government official with whom I had discussed the situation the night before, that Sawyer had expired, even though the conclusive test was still due. It was announced shortly after his death that he died of Ebola. Local media reported here Monday that Sawyer’s body was cremated a few days ago.
What I forgot to ask Patrick then, was whether he had made contact with his sister? Whether he himself had been tested? More importantly, I keep wondering how much it would have taken health authorities in liberia to quarantine Sawyer and all those he came in contact with before his death: The usual crew with whom he ran regularly with on Saturday mornings at the Samuel Kanyon Doe Sports Complex; His immediate family and most importantly, those with whom he worked at the Ministry of Finance?
I would like to think that the answer to all the above were all in the affirmative, that authorities took precaution by doing all those things, but having seen and reported stories about suspected-Ebola patients carried on the backs of friends and relatives who just dropped them off at the Cholera Unit and went back in their communities without being tested or quarantined, hope remains slim and skepticism at an all time high.
The sad reality is, all Liberians are guilty of overlooking a deadly virus and taking it for granted. We’re talking about a country where citizens have attacked an Emergency Room at the country’s largest hospital demanding the body of a relative who had just been diagnosed with Ebola, a country where a nurse was stabbed on her way to work in her nursing uniform, a country where some relatives are determined to hold regular funeral for relatives who have died from Ebola even though they have been told
that it is dangerous, a country where some medical facilities are still without protective gears.
Mind you, people have contracted the virus after coming in contact with dead and living chimpanzees, gorillas, monkeys, forest antelope, porcupines and humans. More importantly, doctors and nurses in the line of fire are dying in the droves even as the World Health Organization have declared that testing blood specimens for the disease presents “an extreme risk”, and must be done only under the strictest containment conditions. Even those foreign doctors on the front line at the only facility capable of dealing with the outbreak, the Samaritan Purse at ELWA are putting their lives at risk.
Despite the danger, these Samaritan Purse doctors continue to press on, against dissent from ELWA community residents who have resisted the doctors’ attempt to open more centers to cater to more suspected cases out of fear that the disease will spread to them. As a result, the good Samaritans are no longer taking new cases. So much for trying to do good to a nation that does everything to show their ignorance, intolerance and naivety. This brings me back to Lagos and my mission here. Gauging between how my own country handled the outbreak in the initial stages and what I have seen and experienced since I arrived here, I think it is pretty fair to say that my country “F… .ed up.
One could argue that authorities in Lagos where the federal government has issued an alert, canceled flights to Liberia and IMPLEMENT, not just DECLARED stringent measures are doing so because of its large population, with millions of peoples’ lives at stake and at risk. Here, authorities are actually scrambling to contain the threat since Patrick Sawyer’s death. International airports in nigeria are screening passengers arriving from foreign countries for symptoms of Ebola, Health officials are also working with ports and land borders and giving out information in terms of enlightenment, what to do? what to look out for? More importantly, airports are setting up holding rooms to be ready in case another potential Ebola victim lands in nigeria.
In Liberia, a long-debated border closure have finally been ‘DECLARED’ and the President has again declared yet another state of emergency. To understand the magnitude of Patrick Sawyer’s death, one has to weigh a series of possible complications. Besides those he may have come in contact with in Monrovia, the SKD Sports Complex and his peers at Finance Ministry, the plane carrying Sawyer, stopped in Lome, Togo, according to the World Health Organization. There have been some reports that he vomited a few times among friends prior to making his trek and even vomited on the plane; that he argued with a Deputy Minister over the delay in getting his travel per diem and unanswered questions over how forthcoming Patrick was to his family, his friends, the government he worked for and his country.
Authorities announced Friday that blood tests from the Lagos University Teaching Hospital confirmed Sawyer died of Ebola earlier that day. “Several potential vaccines are being tested but it could be several years before any are available,” according to the WHO. “A new drug therapy has shown some promise in laboratory studies and is currently being evaluated.” In Monrovia, shutdowns have been announced at several government buildings: The General Services Agency, the National Oil Company of Liberia, the Ministry of Finance. In setting up her task force to deal with the Ebola threat, President Sirleaf says: “We must come together as never before despite of our political, religious and social persuasions, we must show a deep sense of nationalism. We must reach across borders and join our brothers and sisters in other neighboring countries that are affected to ensure continuing common response.” Upon the declaration of Ebola as a National Emergency, the task force headed by President Sirleaf, has announced the closure of all border entry points.”
I hope that this time, the president means it, I hope this time eye-servant Cabinet ministers and government officials, notorious for waiting for the President to move before they move will take this Ebola madness more serious than they have. While the setting up of a task force and late measures to curb Ebola is commendable, the president must take steps and action to dismiss someone over the poor handling of this, particularly, whoever was responsible for not quarantining Patrick Sawyer and whoever allowed him to leave Liberia. As a result of incompetence, nigeria has suspended flight operations to Liberia and Sierra Leone even as it advised that all inbound flights into Nigeria from any of the Ebola affected countries be immediately suspended by the Federal Government. This is a major embarrassment for Liberia and could set a precedence for others to follow. In Monrovia, airline offices are jamming with those who can afford to leave. It is more than likely that most government officials will try to leave. What President Sirleaf should do, is order all those senior officials already out to return home and demand that they all stay in Liberia and deal with this madness.
If possible, President Sirleaf should designate Vice President Joseph Boakai to represent her at President Barack Obama’s White House meeting with African leaders next week. Liberia survived more than a decade of war and enduring a corrupt system. I hope and pray that we survive Ebola and that those foreign powers contemplating leaving Liberia reconsider and help us fix the mess health authorities have made. My diplomatic sources in Monrovia tell me that a town hall meeting of U.S. citizens in the country is being planned for Tuesday and U.S. embassy staff are meeting to ponder what’s next. We must all hope it doesn’t come to what many are dreading. At JFK, sources tell me that an emergency meeting was held Monday and that the staff has given the hospital management an ultimatum to shut the facility down between today and Wednesday for a 21-day incubation period, so that the entire facility can be sprayed. Both the Emergency Wing and OPD have already been shut down. Perhaps, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to quarantine all the healthcare workers. Sadly, 21 days would mean a living hell for pregnant mothers awaiting delivery or accident victims in need of urgent care. But nurses and doctors’ lives are at risk. “If the American doctors wearing masked and the best gears are getting infected, what about us,” a health worker told FrontPageAfrica via phone Monday, shortly after the meeting with management.
In hindsight, I hope those at the helm of power learn a hard lesson from this. Nigeria is taking these steps not because it does not consider Liberia a friend, not because it does not want a fellow ECOWAS nation to feel offended or bad, it is taking these measures because it wants to stop the spread, and keep Ebola out of reach of its 168 million population. My country of a little over four million, according to 2012 estimate, still has a long way to go. But leadership is about taking hard decisions, making tough choices -even at the expense of losing popularity or making someone feel bad.
I strongly believe that if our leaders had taken the steps they are ‘declaring’ now, we would not be in the situation we are today. But the damage is already done, the onus is on all of us to work within the reach of what we have to keep more people from dying, to give health care workers hope that the broken system will be restored so they can return to work, to bring hope to all and believability to many still harboring doubts about Ebola. As I end on this note, Arik Airlines which flew me into Lagos, has suspended flights to my homeland, passengers arriving here are being screened and the country is on Red Alert. I have to find another way out and hope and pray that this Ebola thing will pass over soon so that Liberia can return to normalcy from the state of uncertainty and fear now creeping and lurking behind the shadows of incompetence and failure. For those still in doubt? Ebola is for real. We must all work the clock and spread the word before we all end up dead.
BY RODNEY D. SIEH, 28 JULY 2014
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http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-nigeria-hero-doctor-adadevoh-122828747.htmlDr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh, a doctor at First Consultant Hospital, oversaw treatment of Patrick Sawyer, Nigeria's Ebola patient zero, when he arrived sick in Lagos, Nigeria's former capital and Africa's largest city, on a flight from Liberia in July.
Adadevoh fought to isolate Sawyer, a top official in the Liberian Ministry of Finance who did not take kindly to isolation and lied about his symptoms, officials said.
"Immediately, he was very aggressive," Dr. Benjamin Ohiaeri, the hospital's director, told the BBC. "He was more intent on leaving the hospital than anything else. He was screaming. He pulled his intravenous [tubes] and spilled the blood everywhere."
Adadevoh, the Telegraph writes, "effectively saved the country from disaster by spotting that its first Ebola patient was lying about his condition, and then stopped him leaving her clinic."
Sawyer, who had been caring for his Ebola-stricken sister, was reportedly set on visiting one of Nigeria's Pentecostal churches "in search of a cure from one of the so-called miracle pastors," the BBC said.
"The Liberian ambassador started calling Dr. Adadevoh, putting pressure on her and the institution," Ohiaeri said. "He felt we were kidnapping the gentleman and said it was a denial of his fundamental rights and we could face further actions. ... The only way we could be sure and live up to our responsibility to our people, the state and nation — this is all about patriotism at the end of the day — was to keep him here."
Sawyer, 40, collapsed in Lagos on July 20 after getting off a plane from Liberia. He died just five days later. Adadevo and 11 colleagues were infected with Ebola.
"She was fine all along and then suddenly it became apparent," Adadevoh's son Bankole Cardoso told the news service.
She died on Aug. 19.
"We lost some of our best staff," Ohiaeri said. "Dr. Adadevoh had been working with us for 21 years and was perhaps one of the most brilliant physicians. I worked with her. I know that she was sheer genius."
Thanks to patient isolation and aggressive contact tracing (including 18,500 visits to 894 people), Nigeria had just 20 Ebola cases, including eight deaths — a far lower death rate than the 70 percent seen elsewhere.
Cardoso, still mourning the loss of his mother, says it's become "more and more apparent exactly what she had done" in identifying Sawyer as patient zero.
So, what did De Blasio say in the news conf ?
Anyone?
If people take a hard look at the Ebola infection, they will see it is a two phase viral attack. The initial attack is brain specific and designed to cause other behavior that will increase the spread of Ebola.
i have been thinking this for a very long time, but we simply didn't have enough info to really make more than a "i'm wondering..." type theory.
we heard stories long ago from africa that this seemed to be a recurring problem. now yes, it COULD be rationalized as they were simply afraid of being in the hospital for x,y,z reasons, and that would be completely understandable. then those that know better (and i mean REALLY know better) got infected and have had some real lapses in judgement pretty quickly after infection. many of these have been health care workers. again, it COULD be attributed to arrogance on their part, but i have a real nagging suspicion that although that may play a part, this virus does affect cognitive function very quickly. perhaps it is part of how the virus works to help spread it. look at rabies. that virus also affects the mental faculties. it really could be that this is a mark of the disease, but not recognized until later.
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Um...the good doctor was in Brussels on the 16th, one of the connecting hubs to get to the US....there are NO direct flights out of Guinea to the US. The guy from Nigeria, who died in flight, flew on the 16th. They could have crossed paths. It depends on where the man from Nigeria's flight originated and what connecting flights he took and the flight path the doctor took. We would need more details about their air travel routes to assess the potential. If the source of infection was the Nigerian man, there will likely be more infected people popping up in the news about now, could be any country.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...es-cancel-flights-guinea-liberia-sierra-leone
http://www.theminorityreportblog.co...vomited-died-on-flight-to-jfk/comment-page-1/
Sadly, that is the natural state of libcoms.I'm getting on board with that thought, too. It does seem to affect rational thinking.
Post #181 of this thread is the statement from Doctors Without Borders describing their protocals as of October 23, 2014. In this statement they clearly say that if there are no symtoms, the HCW returning to his/her home country may proceed with normal living as long as they moniter their temperature.
Being a first world nation, we have shown that this also includes plane trips, cruises, and subways. These protocols need to be changed.
I believe this has happened. Gov's of NY and NJ held a presser stating that all oncoming passengers from W Africa WILL be put into a 21 day quarantine. And they will not be going ANYWHERE till that 21 days is up.
A nurse from the docs without borders is right now quarantined in Newark and not being allowed to leave. Period.
^ This, may keep some of the non US people from Africa from coming over or maybe not. I am just happy they are doing it. NOW, MA, and GA and DC need to do the same thing. Quarantine them till they are sure they are not infected.
Don't like it? Don't get on a plane to the US.
But now, they will try to get in thru Canada or Mexico prolly.
An imperfect start is better than nothing. May get the ball rolling. I am the last person to advocate for MORE government - I'm really torn on this: hate sealed borders, more BP, your papers please, etc. - but I can't see a way around it.
I can't figure out why we haven't had dozens of Duncans flying over.