it ain't about that - some cannot breastfeedhere is a link to another thread i started for breastfeeding vs formula and/or wet nursing! feel free to discuss the merits of any of those vs the others!
breast feeding vs formula feeding (and also wet nursing) discussion
it ain't about that - some cannot breastfeed
They want babies dead. If not by abortion, then by starvation.i have been trying to confirm how it is transmitted and the biggest means of doing so. it almost seems that there is a deliberate attempt of not saying how it happens. there also seems to be extremely vague and contradicting info.
from the cdc:
Frequently Asked Questions | Cronobacter | CDC
General information about Cronobacter, including frequently asked questions.www.cdc.gov
How is Cronobacter transmitted?
Cronobacter infections have been associated with consumption of reconstituted powdered infant formula. In several outbreak investigations, Cronobacter has been found in powdered infant formula that had been contaminated in the factory. In other cases, Cronobacter might have contaminated the powdered infant formula after it was opened at home or elsewhere.
Since the bacteria live in the environment, it’s possible there are other sources of infection. There have been no confirmed reports of Cronobacter infections spreading vertically or through person-to-person contact. However, other related bacteria commonly spread through person-to-person contact, especially in healthcare facilities when there are lapses in infection control practice.
also from the cdc:
Transmission | Cronobacter | CDC
How Cronobacter is spread in formula manufacturing facilities and in homes.www.cdc.gov
Transmission
Cronobacter, which used to be called Enterobacter sakazakii, is a germ that can live in very dry places. Cronobacter has been found in dry foods, like powdered infant formula, powdered milk, herbal teas, and starches. It has also been found in sewer water.
How Cronobacter is spread
Sometimes powdered formula gets germs in it while it is being made at the factory. Other times, Cronobacter can get into powdered infant formula after it is opened at home or somewhere else. Since Cronobacter germs live in the environment, there might be other ways babies can catch it. We do not know if Cronobacter infection can be spread from one person to another, but other types of bacteria spread this way, especially in hospitals if people do not wash their hands well.
Risks from factories and homes
Powdered infant formula is not germ-free. Formula manufacturers report that it is not possible to remove all germs from powdered infant formula. At the factory, Cronobacter could get into formula powder from ingredients used to make the formula or if the formula powder touches a Cronobacter-covered surface in the factory.
At home, Cronobacter could get into the formula if formula lids or scoops are placed on Cronobacter-covered surfaces and later touch the formula or if the formula is mixed with water or in a bottle that has Cronobacter in it.
The evaporated mild and goat's milk baby formula recipes still exist.So
What did our parents and grandparents give us
I guarantee you. Baby formula wasn’t around in 1952
Wife seems to remember milnot as a use
Anybody else??
Could prove beneficial to our members
They want babies dead. If not by abortion, then by starvation.
I am sure to be attacked, but I wonder if why some men are so attracted to women with large breasts is that unconsciously it's a sign that a woman could feed an infant?
Evolution would favor a fertile woman who could supply enough milk for her child.
Somehow, some men would realize this and seek out these women as mates.
This is one good reason to stock up and not just baby food and then when you come home put your food on the shelf and do not eat it. Let a month or so go and if stocked up then it might be a year, but let the recalls happen and you will be safe. So many different food recalls. There was even Gold Medal flour one year and organic vegetables from Costco and all the Romaine lettuce. Actually, dangerous to open something and eat it.Just what the damned hell is going on?!
If you read the article I posted above, you will say the same thing.
There is WAY more to this than it seems, and it isn't good.
My gut is telling me that it is of critical importance to jump now and get and/or figure out the long term strategy if you are one of the parents that needs the formula.
Like right now.
If even one more very small thing happens to disrupt the formula supply chain, it could be done.
And this is just talking about the formula. What the gov and these articles are NOT saying us even more curious and terrifying.
If the bacteria was not in the product, and not in the product area, where was it in the plant?
They say it was in a non product area. What exactly does that mean?
Was it in a bathroom? Was this because workers are infected and are not using good hygiene? Is this on purpose?
There are SO many questions with this that are not only not getting answered, but the lack of inquisitiveness surrounding this is alarming, yah?
The longer it goes on, the more questions arise.
It almost as if everything bad is actually because of specific actions from the democrats running the country.
There are ways around these limits.....OK here's one part of the problem, much as I love to see the Irish economy do well and provide jobs for citizens, making baby formula in Ireland for the US market seems to be a symptom of the sort of "off-shoring" that means the supply chain issues are much worse than if more things were produced locally or at least in the same market. Now I gather there are plants in the US that are shut down, so it isn't quite as bad as this normally. Here's is an article from today's Irish News, note the increase production in IRELAND, at the IRISH factory for the US formula market.
And guys, just a note, lots of babies used to just "die," so did small children - even when I was a child in the late 50s and early 1960s, it wasn't that uncommon (enough that I remember it) for someone's little brother or sister to just be "gone." These days, it is very shocking when that happens (and that is a good thing). I will save other comments for the other thread when I get around to it.
Major US retailers limit baby formula over shortagesMajor US retailers limit baby formula over shortages
US retailers including Target, CVS Health Corp and Walgreens said they have limited purchases of infant formula due to a supply shortage.www.rte.ie
Updated / Wednesday, 11 May 2022 09:13
A near empty shelf with baby formula products at a Target supermarket in Orlando
US retailers including Target, CVS Health Corp and Walgreens said they have limited purchases of infant formula due to a supply shortage.
The limits come after top supplier Abbott Laboratories in February recalled some baby formula including Similac made at its plant in Michigan over complaints of bacterial infections in babies who consumed the products.
CVS said it last month limited in-store and online purchases of the products to three per order, while Walgreens issued a similar cap in March. Kroger has a limit of four products per customer and Target has had restrictions on online sales for weeks.
Abbott said it was "doing everything" it can to address the shortage, including prioritising production of the products and air shipping them from its US drug regulator-approved facility in Ireland.
The company is also working closely with the Food and Drug Administration to restart operations at its Michigan facility, a spokesperson said.
No formula that has been distributed has tested positive for bacteria, according to the company.
The Similac maker is the leading supplier of milk formula in the United States with a market share of about 42% in 2021, followed by British consumer goods firm Reckitt Benckiser with a nearly 38% share, according to Euromonitor data.
The FDA said it is taking several steps including working with Abbott and other manufacturers to alleviate supply issues.
The agency said several infant formula manufacturers are meeting or exceeding capacity levels to meet current demand and that more infant formula was purchased in the month of April than in the month prior to the recall.
"We are doing everything in our power to ensure there is adequate product available where and when they need it," FDA Commissioner Robert Califf said in a statement.
About 40% of baby formula products were out of stock across the United States last month, said Ben Reich, the chief executive of data firm Datasembly.
Supply chain snags, product recalls and historic inflation have compounded the shortage, he added.
Damn if you don’t have a good but sad point.Close, but not quite.
The ills we face cannot be laid at the feet of either worthless political party.
We own those ills, for giving up on running our own damned country.
(no offense, America)
it ain't about that - some cannot breastfeed
It would be interesting to know the percentages of women with nursing babies who use formula for convenience rather than medical limitations.
My guess is that there would be plenty of "formula" available for those truly in need.
But again, God already made provisions for "formula" when mothers CANNOT breast feed.
Sorry if this has been mentioned, I haven't been able to read the last three pages.So
What did our parents and grandparents give us
I guarantee you. Baby formula wasn’t around in 1952
Wife seems to remember milnot as a use
Anybody else??
Could prove beneficial to our members
Yeah. Contact food banks and your pediatrician. That's going to get you some formula for your baby. LOL! What dumbasses these leftards are.......continued....
White House press secretary Jenn Psaki said Monday the Food and Drug Administration was 'working around the clock to address any possible shortages,' however shelves across the country meant to carry formula remain largely barren.
Retailers including Target, CVS and Walgreens have begun limiting formula purchases to three containers per customer.
For now, pediatricians and health workers are urging parents who can't find formula to contact food banks or doctor's offices. They warn against watering down formula to stretch supplies or using online DIY recipes.
'For babies who are not being breastfed, this is the only thing they eat,' said Dr. Steven Abrams, of the University of Texas, Austin. 'So it has to have all of their nutrition and, furthermore, it needs to be properly prepared so that it's safe for the smallest infants.'
The shortages are especially dangerous for infants who require specialty formulas due to food allergies, digestive problems and other conditions.
'Unfortunately, many of those very specialized formulas are only made in the United States at the factory that had the recall, and that's caused a huge problem for a relatively small number of infants,' Abrams said.
After hearing concerns from parents, the FDA said last month that Abbott could begin releasing some specialty formulas not affected by the recalls 'on a case-by-case basis.' The company is providing them free of charge, in coordination with physicians and hospitals.
Food safety advocates say the FDA made the right call in releasing the formula, but that parents should talk to their pediatricians before using it.
'Always talk with your pediatrician if you have concerns about your baby's nutrition and feeding your baby,' Dr. Sarah Abrams, of Akron Children's Hospital in Ohio, told Fox News.
'Switch to other formula brands or types of formula,' she advised to parents struggling to find product, 'but talk to your pediatrician first, especially if your baby must use a hydrolyzed or amino acid-based formula.'
The pediatrician also shared that due to the Abbott recall, parents have been fearful of that other brands of formula may have been contaminated.
'I have been told that due to the recall, [parents] were afraid to use the formula they had, even if it wasn't one that was recalled,' she explained. 'And if they do find formula, they worry about the limits of how much formula they can buy at one time.
'They are calling our office and we are helping them by reaching out to local formula representatives.'
Despite the results of the investigation and pressure from experts and concerned parents, it remains unclear when Abbott's Michigan plant might reopen.
The FDA said the company is still working 'to rectify findings related to the processes, procedures and conditions' but refused to say when the plant can resume operations.
Other infant formula makers are 'meeting or exceeding capacity levels to meet current demand,' the agency stated Tuesday.
Among other steps, the FDA said it was waiving enforcement of minor product labeling issues to increase availability of both U.S. and imported products.
'We recognize that many consumers have been unable to access infant formula and critical medical foods they are accustomed to using and are frustrated by their inability to do so. We are doing everything in our power to ensure there is adequate product available where and when they need it,' FDA Commissioner Robert M. Califf, M.D. told DailyMail.com in a statement.
'Ensuring the availability of safe, sole-source nutrition products like infant formula is of the utmost importance to the FDA.
Our teams have been working tirelessly to address and alleviate supply issues and will continue doing everything within our authority to ensure the production of safe infant formula products.'
Baby formula is particularly vulnerable to disruptions because just a handful of companies account for almost the entire U.S. supply, analysts allege.
Industry executives say the constraints began last year as the COVID-19 pandemic led to disruptions in ingredients, labor and transportation. Supplies were further squeezed by parents stockpiling during lockdowns.
Then in February, Abbott recalled several major brands and shut down its Sturgis, Michigan, factory when federal officials concluded four babies suffered bacterial infections after consuming formula from the facility. Two of the infants died.
When FDA inspectors visited the plant in March they found lax safety protocols and traces of the bacteria on several surfaces. None of the bacterial strains matched those collected from the infants, however, and the FDA hasn't offered an explanation for how the contamination occurred.
For its part, Abbott says its formula 'is not likely the source of infection,' though the FDA says its investigation continues.
Abbott claims they are 'working closely with the FDA to restart operations' at the plant, with the spokesperson on Tuesday noting: 'We continue to make progress on corrective actions and will be implementing additional actions as we work toward addressing items related to the recent recall'.
Meanwhile, parents are across the nation are issuing alarming calls for help as they try to find ways to nourish their children.
Laura Stewart, a 52-year-old mother of three who lives just north of Springfield, Missouri, has been struggling for several weeks to find formula for her 10-month-old daughter, Riley.
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Parents across the nation are scrambling to feed their children because supply disruptions and a massive safety recall have swept many products off store shelves
Baby formula is stored in a locked case, with shelves half empty, at a Walmart store on Tuesday
Riley normally gets a brand of Abbott's Similac designed for children with sensitive stomachs. Last month, she instead used four different brands.
'She spits up more. She's just more cranky. She is typically a very happy girl,' Stewart said. 'When she has the right formula, she doesn't spit up. She's perfectly fine.'
A small can costs $17 to $18 and lasts three to five days, Stewart said.
Like many Americans, Stewart relies on WIC - a federal program similar to food stamps that serves mothers and children - to afford formula for her daughter. Abbott's recall wiped out many WIC-covered brands, though the program is now allowing substitutions.
Brian Dittmeier, Senior Director of Public Policy at the WIC Association told DailyMail.com in a statement Tuesday that the 'unprecedented scope of this infant formula recall has serious consequences for babies and new parents.'
'Assurances from manufacturers that production has ramped up have not yet translated to new product on the shelf. Each day that this crisis continues, parents grow more anxious and desperate to find what they need to feed their infants,' the statement said.
'Unlike other food recalls, shortages in the infant formula supply affects a major – or even exclusive – source of nutrition for babies. Inadequate nutrition could have long-term health implications for babies. Supply shortages are particularly acute for infants who require specialty formulas to address allergies, gastrointestinal issues, or metabolic disorders; adequate substitutes with other brands may not be easily identifiable.
'Every day, we hear from parents who are hurt, angry, anxious, and scared. The lives of their infants are on the line. It is time for answers and accountability as we all work to improve the supply and ease the worries of parents enduring this national crisis.'
TIMELINE SHOWS HOW AMERICA'S LARGEST BABY FORMULA PLANT CEASED PRODUCTION
Abbott Laboratories, the biggest baby formula supplier in the U.S., ceased production at its Michigan plant in February 2022 amid reports of fatal bacterial infections.
A timeline of events shows reveals the shut down was the plant had previously been under scrutiny by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
September 2021: The FDA conducted a four-day inspection of the Abbott Laboratories plant in Sturgis, Michigan.
The inspection report revealed the plant 'did not maintain' clean and sanitary conditions in at least one building that manufactured, processed, packaged or held baby formula.
FDA officials also observed poor hand washing among Abbott plant staff who 'worked directly with infant formula.'
The FDA also noted an instance of improper equipment maintenance and temperature control.
October 2021: A whistleblower sends the FDA a 34-page document outlining potential concerns with the Sturgis plant.
The document, which was made public by Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro in April 2022, was written by a former plant employee.
The employee accused the plant of lax cleaning practices, falsifying records, releasing untested infant formula, and hiding information during an FDA audit in 2019, among other issues.
January - March 2022: The FDA conducted multiple inspections at the Sturgis plant over the course of three months in 2022. A ten-page inspection report revealed multiple violations at the facility.
The agency alleged the plant failed to ensure that all surfaces that contact infant formula were maintained to prevent cross-contamination.
The report states the facility 'did not establish a system of process controls' to ensure the baby formula 'does not become adulterated due to the presence of microorganisms in the formula or the processing environment.'
Officials also alleged the plant failed to disclose in an investigation report whether a health hazard existed at the facility.
Additionally, the report stated plant workers were did not wear the 'necessary protective material' when working directly with infant formula.
February 17: U.S. health officials urgently warn parents against using three popular baby formulas manufactured at the Abbott plant in Michigan. Investigators claim the products were recently linked to bacterial contamination after an infant died and three others fell ill.
Abbott voluntarily recalled several major brands and shut down its Sturgis plant.
The FDA also said it is investigating four reports of infants who were hospitalized after consuming the formula, including one who died.
February 28: Abbott Laboratories expanded its recall of Similac baby formulas after a second infant who was exposed to the powdered baby formula died.
April 15: Abbott releases a statement alleging it is working closely with the FDA to restart operations at the Sturgis plant.
Week of April 24: The nationwide share of out-of-stock baby formula hit 40 percent.
Texas, Tennessee, Missouri, Iowa, North Dakota and South Dakota, seemingly hardest hit by the shortages, reported out-of-stock rates of about 50 percent.
May 10: Abbott releases a statement to DailyMail.com claiming 'thorough investigation' by the FDA and Abbott revealed 'infant formula produced at our Sturgis facility is not the likely source of infection in the reported cases and that there was not an outbreak caused by products from the facility'.
Abbott claims they are 'working closely with the FDA to restart operations' at the plant, with the spokesperson noting: 'We continue to make progress on corrective actions and will be implementing additional actions as we work toward addressing items related to the recent recall'.
The FDA told DailyMail.com it was holding discussions with 'Abbott and other manufacturers to increase production of different specialty and metabolic products' but refused to say when the Sturgis plant could reopen.
BREAKING: Biden Admin Shipping ‘Pallets’ of Baby Formula to Illegal Aliens, Says GOP Rep.
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The shortage was sparked by a manufacturing issue and then a rush on stores. (~my commentary: NOT true! it was already going on with the covid supply chain problems. then biden made it worse. THEN the manufacturing problem that is still at issue as to if it was actually from them or not) The shortage has become one of the issues coloring the concerns about growing inflation and economic troubles under President Joe Biden.The first photo is from this morning at the Ursula Processing Center at the U.S. border. Shelves and pallets packed with baby formula.
The second is from a shelf right here at home. Formula is scarce.
This is what America last looks like. pic.twitter.com/OO0V99njoy
— Kat Cammack (@Kat_Cammack) May 11, 2022
Quite a leap of 'logic'.some of the replies to this story and tweet are trying to make her out to be a horrible person that wants the illegal babies to die and try to blame capitalism.
In reality, if they want to avoid lawsuits (that they will lose) if the formula is intended for babies that are locked up in immigration facilities with or without a parent then the shipments make sense. That's because legally if they hold em, they kind of kind of have to "own" them until they are moved or processed.
That said, it is a terrible optic and the same sort of pallets should be streaming to major distribution centers all over the US even if the administration has to use the National Defense or other act to declare a REAL national emergency to do so.
As it is, even though I understand what may be going on here, the optics are terrible.