DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger
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Old Reliable
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Do you really thank the Chinese Gov. gives a crap about those 70 Million people?
Depends on what those people do. Kill the wrong ones and China is in deep kim-chi.
The Snack Artist
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Considering what their .gov did to their country to build this monstrosity and then to not get it done right because they're dumb, cheating, chincs is in my view pretty damned funny. 70 million? Let's go for 700 million. That would cure a LOT of ills in the world.
These folks can not make something themselves. They need to steal it, reverse engineer it, then sell it back to us where we break it the first time it's used. Eff them, they get what they get. Maybe someone in Wuhan can inject the populace to grow gills or something. Better dead than Red.
These folks can not make something themselves. They need to steal it, reverse engineer it, then sell it back to us where we break it the first time it's used. Eff them, they get what they get. Maybe someone in Wuhan can inject the populace to grow gills or something. Better dead than Red.
Countrymouse
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The Snack Artist
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The dam is a pile of misengineered trash - The Snack Artist
There you go.
There you go.
Old Reliable
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Let us no when it is no longer standing.
They, the Chinese people, don’t care enough to do anything about their out of control government, allowing epidemic/pandemics in successive waves, from inundating the world... When they get rid of the CCP, THEN I may care... Until then, let it rain...
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
I do not think that even the CCP wants to lose 90 to 95 percent of their industrial base, they might not care that much about the individual people but I think they do care about losing their ability to produce anything from a toaster to an atomic warhead.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
The dam collapsing would certainly rate as one of the most catastrophic engineering disasters in the history of the world. I was mulling over the size of their population this past week, and somehow it had escaped my understanding that they have nearly FIVE times as many people as we have in the US. They are caught between a very big rock and a very hard place. “Freedom” is not high on their list of goals. FOOD, however, and space to expand into, is very very high on the list. Our 330 million population must look like a very small potato nation compared to a place with 1500 million...
and they seem to have become very agile in the thought processes behind “asymmetric“ warfare.
if God is going to judge us, China has been evolved into a very capable empire quite willing and maybe, just maybe, able to give us a reason to wish we had never given them all our technology. Or perhaps, maybe should have never lost our moorings to the morals of the God of our ancestors.
and they seem to have become very agile in the thought processes behind “asymmetric“ warfare.
if God is going to judge us, China has been evolved into a very capable empire quite willing and maybe, just maybe, able to give us a reason to wish we had never given them all our technology. Or perhaps, maybe should have never lost our moorings to the morals of the God of our ancestors.
MinnesotaSmith
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jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Some of us do not necessarily consider “civilians” to be our enemies...or their unnecessary deaths to be a “good thing” for us. And until kinetic war is actually launched, I am more concerned about the “enemies” on our own soil that would betray us to the globalists.
MinnesotaSmith
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Oh, no question the commies on U.S. soil are probably more serious threats than the Chicoms (though they seem to cooperate in trying to kill us), and need to die, too.
Hmmmm. It is not the Chinese civilians fault their government is what it is. And as a K9 Human remains handler I can’t even imagine the horrendous catastrophe that would ensue if the dams went and the humanitarian effort that would need to be undertaken to assist the innocent people. I will never wish Ill on innocent people but I would very much wish for every power corrupt politician to be down stream of those dams when they go
Fwiw.
I do believe a ‘collapse’ would likely either be partial or it would be large enough so the crack, collapse could not be shored up but would erode over time.
A partial would possibly be a continuous but throttled flow downstream. Bad but more akin to the previous flooding but with no respite. Especially bad in very cold temperatures because now you also have the danger of hyperthermia (Not sure about temps around Wuhan this time of year).
This would not be as catastrophic as some doomer models basically showing complete collapse.
The other part of the equation is an acute event versus a long drawn out event with the opportunity possibly to move downstream populations away from flood plains.
Although there is a catastrophic failure possibility, but this is in my mind not very likely, unless the construction materials were crap for the entire project or shoddiest in the creation of the floating foundation.
I do believe a ‘collapse’ would likely either be partial or it would be large enough so the crack, collapse could not be shored up but would erode over time.
A partial would possibly be a continuous but throttled flow downstream. Bad but more akin to the previous flooding but with no respite. Especially bad in very cold temperatures because now you also have the danger of hyperthermia (Not sure about temps around Wuhan this time of year).
This would not be as catastrophic as some doomer models basically showing complete collapse.
The other part of the equation is an acute event versus a long drawn out event with the opportunity possibly to move downstream populations away from flood plains.
Although there is a catastrophic failure possibility, but this is in my mind not very likely, unless the construction materials were crap for the entire project or shoddiest in the creation of the floating foundation.
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
I have read good sources that say China intends to take us over, eliminate us, and thus have a lot of land to house and feed their people. There are already a lot of their military in Mexico.
We also have a lot of politicians who are bought and paid for, including a President!
We also have a lot of politicians who are bought and paid for, including a President!
bw
Fringe Ranger
The big unknown is the effect of scour if part of the dam breaks and channels a large flow through a small opening.
MinnesotaSmith
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They'll clearly take Australia first.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
True....but better their people than ours.
The one good thing about the dam failing is that it would wipe out a major portion of their electrical grid, a number of major cities, centers of manufacturing and farming and the biggest thing would be to force their focus inward rather than outward. That and take the invasion of Taiwan off the menu.
We ARE HEADED for a world war with China. Make no mistake about that. Their one-child policy (so incredibly STUPID!) has given them millions of men with no hope of ever having a wife/family......hmmmm expendable soldiers maybe? Their expansionist policies have spread across the globe with major inroads into every continent. They have STOLEN more technology around the globe than any nation in the history of the planet. All that expansionist energy has to go somewhere....and they are running out of room.....can you say "Lebensraum"?
When they go to invade Taiwan, just think of what started WWII.....the invasion of Poland. Taiwan will be the spark for WWIII.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Considering that they EXECUTED several major players in the dams construction for fraud and bribery, etc., for using cheap materials and so on. I would not be surprised it that leads to the eventual collapse of the dam. It may look solid on the outside, but what does the inside and base look like? Also considering China's history of huge earthquakes, just how friggen big that dam is, then add to that the power of water. IT's not a question of IF that dam will fail, rather just WHEN, and when it does fail it will be a disaster of EPIC proportions.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
This is exactly right, and has been discussed in the threads of the past. If the dam goes, it takes out farmland and at least one major industrial center. The economic devastation would be massive. Potentially nation-ending massive. That would be the strategic rationale for a strike from PLA forces, though the loss of life would be the public rationale for going to war.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hmmm. Exactly the position of the US population, wouldn't you say? We are the victims of a totalitarian coup and it could be said - as you say about the Chinese - that "we don't care enough to do anything about" our out of control government.
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Doc
intothatgoodnight
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One BIG difference between the U.S. citizens, and the Chinese citizens - we are well armed - they, are not.
Mao noted - "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."
That was true for the Chinese in 1949, and is likely true for the Chinese, today.
However, in the U.S., it is a very different and prickly political equation for the wannabe communist Democrat dictators and their fawning minions to attempt to navigate without incurring immediate severe consequences for the communist side.
Secondly, the U.S. has a large population of "retired" military ground-pounders with personal knowledge of all things ME/sandbox, by virtue of being Gulf War I and II/Afghanistan veterans - to include intimate knowledge of all things IED (improvised explosive device), which were an effective tool in the jihadist's war against the western forces and their allies.
Third, there are uncountable numbers of constitutional-minded good ol' boys and girls with all sorts of wily woodcraft/stealth skills/knowledge that can be quickly brought to bear in any push-came-to-shove match between overreaching Democrat communists wannabe dictators and their deep state minions, versus "We, The People"®.
Count upon it.
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DryCreek
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It's OK. When they show up here we'll just enroll them into ultra-liberal colleges and teach them to be gay. Problem solved.
Pajama boy X 1 million, give or take.
The Chinese “One Child Policy” is intended as motivation to take other countries, and their women... To the conquers, go the despoiled... Look what’s happened to Chinese Muslims, especially their women and girls... No, the CCP always tries to think at least three moves ahead. Luckily, someone has always been around to cut their topknot, or their balls... Remember, China has invaded Indo-China five times in the last 5,000 years- and been defeated each time... Last time? After the US had pulled out of Vietnam... Luckily too, the Chinese and the CCP still maintain a highly selective form of stupidity...
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ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
You're right there, Old Archer. There is no love lost between the Chinese and their Vietnamese and Thai neighbors. If our dipsticks in D.C. had known ANYTHING about Vietnamese history, culture and people or paid any attention to what was going on there in that part of the world, we would have NEVER allowed the French back into Indo-China and would have backed Ho Chi Minh for independence of that region and self government at the end of WWII. Like WE promised in the Atlantic Charter. We ignored that charter and basically pushed Ho into the communists arms.
Hell, we actually backed, supported and supplied the Viet Minh against the Japanese in WWII. The original Vietnamese Declaration of Independence at the end of WWII was a mirror of our original Declaration of Independence. But nooooo we let the French go back in and we all know how that turned out.
Our State Department is the biggest bunch of bone heads on the planet. We've shot ourselves in the foot sooooo many times due to their stupidity, we'd be better off if we just did away with that department and left the world alone. We need to clean up our act first and take care of our people first and let the world fix itself. "Friend to all....Ally to none." I believe was Jefferson's statement regarding foreign affairs. We should stick to that. We suck at the other.
Hell, we actually backed, supported and supplied the Viet Minh against the Japanese in WWII. The original Vietnamese Declaration of Independence at the end of WWII was a mirror of our original Declaration of Independence. But nooooo we let the French go back in and we all know how that turned out.
Our State Department is the biggest bunch of bone heads on the planet. We've shot ourselves in the foot sooooo many times due to their stupidity, we'd be better off if we just did away with that department and left the world alone. We need to clean up our act first and take care of our people first and let the world fix itself. "Friend to all....Ally to none." I believe was Jefferson's statement regarding foreign affairs. We should stick to that. We suck at the other.
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intothatgoodnight
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ShadowMan - a very important unmentioned detail regarding the French in Indochina - they were at the front line of the vital deep state illicit drug business, which was being used to fund their many deep state adventures around the globe, while propelling the western central banks and the bought-and-paid-for politicos/decision-makers to the forefront in more recent historical times - scads of cash was generated by these criminal drug operations, in that day.
intothegoodnight
intothegoodnight
The CCP "one child policy" wasn't so much about population growth control as it was about control of the population. The traditional family in Chinese culture is seen as a threat to the Party. Recall that the Marxists in BLM in CONUS list as one of their goals the destruction of the traditional family.
Forget the advantage of guns. The coup already has happened and not a shot was fired.
An armed populus is a massive advantage, but wasn't used at all.
intothatgoodnight
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You know much about wily country boys and girls? I am talking about those that know 16 ways to accomplish a task.
Firearms are only ONE way to accomplish a "task." To a wily country boy/girl, that leaves 15 OTHER ways to accomplish this same task.
Kin to the "Original Insurgents®."
THAT bunch.
intothegoodnight
MinnesotaSmith
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No, they're not. I lived in the Orient for 5 years, almost 2 in China. I took 1.5 years of Chinese language classes in school. I could probably name 20 Chinese cities from memory. I own and have read the recent book "Poorly Made in China". You?
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The Snack Artist
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The Chincs are dirty, low down, cheating, filth. They've honed their ways of doing to others. I trained with a Jap for 4 1/2 years and found him to be shady. That's ok. Shady is ok. He was a good trainer and that's what I paid him for. But, he was sneaky. That I didn't like at all.
Some do not think like we do, acting like a certain Semitic group that will lie, cheat, steal, and murder- if it suits them. Same thing with some Muslims and a certain group in the West, that is very insular. There are always those that view their actions as condoned by their god.
During the war, when having to deal people of Chinese extraction, we called those very sharp business people, “the Jews of the Orient.” For them, business was a form of war, and they prosecuted their business efforts accordingly...
With the CCP attaining Israeli military weapons and technology, one must look in askance, as to the synergy of Jewish and CCP efforts at world domination...
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