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U.S. approves possible sale of military assistance to Taiwan
Taipei expects parts, technical support deal to 'become effective' within month
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A drill in Hsinchu, Taiwan, in January 2021. Successive U.S. administrations have urged Taiwan to modernize its military to become a "porcupine" that is hard for China to attack. © Reuters
July 16, 2022 08:32 JST
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. State Department has approved the potential sale of military technical assistance to Taiwan worth an estimated $108 million, the Pentagon said on Friday.
 

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Nancy Pelosi to visit Taiwan next month amid China tensions
Demetri Sevastopulo​

Trip will mark first in 25 years by a Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Nancy Pelosi would become the most senior US lawmaker to visit Taiwan since one of her predecessors as Speaker, Republican Newt Gingrich, did so in 1997 © Ethan Swope/San Francisco Chronicle/AP
Nancy Pelosi plans to visit Taiwan next month to show support for Taipei as it comes under mounting pressure from China, in what would be the first visit by a Speaker of the US House of Representatives to the country in 25 years.
Six people familiar with the situation said Pelosi would take a delegation to Taiwan in August. The 82-year-old California lawmaker cancelled a previous visit in April after she caught Covid-19.
Pelosi would be the most senior US lawmaker to visit the island since one of her predecessors as Speaker, Republican Newt Gingrich, travelled there in 1997.
Her visit will come as US-China relations remain mired in their worst state since the countries normalised diplomatic relations in 1979 and Washington switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing.
In April, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi said a Pelosi visit would be a “malicious provocation”. News of the trip comes as US president Joe Biden and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping prepare to hold an online meeting in the coming weeks.
Three people familiar with the situation said the White House had expressed concern about the trip. The timing is sensitive for China because it will come in the same month as the August 1 anniversary of the founding of the People’s Liberation Army.
The issue is also delicate for Beijing because the Chinese Communist party will hold its 20th congress later this year — a meeting at which Xi is expected to secure an unprecedented third term as leader.
Bonnie Glaser, a Taiwan expert at the German Marshall Fund, said Beijing had become “hypersensitive” about Congress, which has introduced an “unprecedented” number of anti-China bills in recent years.
“China has become convinced that Congress and the executive branch are colluding to contain its rise,” said Glaser. “Since Speaker Pelosi is a Democrat and from the same party as President Biden, her trip is interpreted as part of a strategy of using Taiwan as a card against China and providing official support for Taiwan independence.”
While the US and China are at loggerheads over many issues, Taiwan has become one of the most serious areas of contention since Biden took office. The Chinese military has flown increasingly large numbers of fighter jets and bombers into Taiwan’s “air defence identification zone”, raising tensions across the Taiwan Strait.
Speaking at the Shangri-La defence forum in Singapore in June, Chinese defence minister Wei Fenghe said his military would “crush” any attempt by Taiwan to become independent, and warned the US to stop trying to contain China. “If someone forced a war on China, the People’s Liberation Army will not flinch,” Wei added.

Two people familiar with the situation said there were divisions in the US administration over whether Pelosi should visit Taiwan. Some officials believed it was easier to justify a visit in April because that was just after the start of the invasion of Ukraine. Biden in February sent a high-level delegation of former officials, including retired chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff Michael Mullen, in a message of support to Taiwan.
Pelosi and her delegation will visit Japan, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia. The lawmakers will also spend time in Hawaii at the headquarters of US Indo-Pacific command. A seventh person familiar with the situation said it was still possible the trip would fall through.
Pelosi’s office would not confirm if the Speaker was planning a visit to Taiwan or any other countries in Asia. The White House declined to comment on congressional travel plans.
The Chinese embassy in the US said China “resolutely opposes all forms of official contact between the US and Taiwan”. Spokesperson Liu Pengyu said a visit by Pelosi to Taiwan would “severely impact the political foundation of China-US relations and send aseriously wrong signal to ‘Taiwan independence’ separatist forces”.
 

Zagdid

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EU Envoy Endorses China's 'Peaceful Reunification' With Taiwan
BY JOHN FENG ON 7/19/22 AT 8:30 AM EDT

The European Union's incoming ambassador to Beijing has struck a conciliatory tone by declaring the bloc's support for China's "peaceful reunification" with Taiwan, triggering displeasure in Taipei.

"The EU does not advocate independence for Taiwan, but peaceful reunification," Jorge Toledo, 57, told Spain's La Vanguardia newspaper in an interview published on Sunday.

"We believe there should be only one China, but in the event of a military invasion we have made it very clear that the EU, with the United States and its allies, will impose similar or even greater measures than we have now taken against Russia," said Toledo, who is set to replace Frenchman Nicolas Chapuis as the EU's ambassador to China.

The Spanish diplomat's remarks about "one China" weren't an obvious departure from the EU's stated policy toward sensitive relations across the Taiwan Strait. However, his endorsement of "reunification"—phraseology favored by Beijing—added a new layer to the bloc's otherwise cautious approach, which only promises to deepen economic ties with Taiwan while committing not to recognize the island's statehood.

China has never governed the democratic island but claims it as part of its territory. Taiwan, meanwhile, says it's already an independent country, and its public has shown little interest in being ruled from Beijing.

As the COVID-19 pandemic caused supply chain bottlenecks around the world, Taiwan's advances in high-end semiconductors became a particular point of interest for leaders and business communities in the West. Last month, the EU upgraded investment talks with the island, with a focus on chips.

Doubtless aware of the political sensitivities surrounding interactions with Taiwan, Brussels has stepped up its economic engagement with Taipei in what could be perceived as a win-win for both. However, the EU may find it difficult to balance its vital trading relationship with China against Taiwan's need to remain a dignified player in the partnership.

Joanne Ou, Taiwan's Foreign Ministry spokesperson, reminded reporters at a regular press briefing on Tuesday about the island's important geostrategic importance as well as the role it plays in the global supply chain.

"The sovereignty of our country cannot be disparaged, violated or annexed," said Ou. "The sovereignty of Taiwan belongs only to the people of Taiwan, and only the people of Taiwan can decide Taiwan's future."

The EU didn't return Newsweek's request for comment ahead of publication.

Toledo's interview, which revolved around the EU's wider relations with China, didn't paint Beijing in a wholly positive light. The diplomat, who takes office in the Chinese capital in September, described the Chinese government under President Xi Jinping as "flexing its muscles, especially in the South China Sea."

"We cannot tolerate China violating the rules of international law accepted by all and occupying areas that do not belong to it," he said.

Still, Toledo spoke out against decoupling; mutually dependent EU-China economic ties mean disengagement would cause a "cataclysm," he told the paper. Echoing prevailing views in Washington, he referenced the necessity of working with Beijing to address issues of global concern.

"It is essential and necessary to count on China for global governance. Without its help we cannot address global challenges such as the pandemic and the climate crisis," he said.

The strongest support for Taiwan in the EU has typically come from the European Parliament. Last October, the EP voted overwhelmingly in favor of upgrading political and economic ties with Taipei, before a group of European lawmakers visited the island a few weeks later.

Nicola Beer, a German lawmaker and one of the EP's vice presidents, urged more support for Taiwan as she landed in the Taiwanese capital at the start of a three-day official visit on Tuesday.

"There is no room for Chinese aggression in democratic Taiwan. For the moment, we witness war in Europe. We do not want to witness war in Asia. Now is the moment to stand firm on the side of Taiwan—you and us, we are family of democracies," she said.

"Taiwan's bloom is also Europe's bloom. We won't have a blind eye on China's threats to Taiwan. Europe was late for Hong Kong; we won't be late for Taiwan," Beer said.
 

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People need to understand, China hates, I mean hates Pelosi with a passion. They look at her as 3rd in line as US President and that this is an absolute threat. If Pelosi goes through with this trip, watch out, this is serious business.

Keep making jokes people it really isn't that funny. China isn't ****ing around with this visit.

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Third in line going to ROC is huge, and PRC knows it. Major break in our diplomatic situation with China. Most people probably don’t understand just how fragile our relations with PRC are over ROC. Last official US delegation to ROC was, what, over 50 years ago?




JUST IN - China demands the United States to immediately cancel its latest arms sale to Taiwan.

China's PLA to Pentagon: Cancel Taiwan arms sale ASAP.

This fight here is going to get incredibly dangerous. US needs to hold its ground firm on Taiwan / US relations and defense.
View: https://twitter.com/MrChrisJustice/status/1549063513024278528?s=20&t=1f_wj7w7Ohppzo6IToowwg
 

Techwreck

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There was a video posted on another thread with Herr Schwab declaring more cooperation between the WEF and the UN to accelerate their Agenda 2030 or whatever it's called.

Apparently breaking everything in the world is taking too much time.

Getting a war started with China should really up our rate of destruction, and get things back on track.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
There was a video posted on another thread with Herr Schwab declaring more cooperation between the WEF and the UN to accelerate their Agenda 2030 or whatever it's called.

Apparently breaking everything in the world is taking too much time.

Getting a war started with China should really up our rate of destruction, and get things back on track.

Once Pandora's hope chest gets busted open there's no telling what will spill out or how....
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Narrator suggests that if Taiwan is attacked then Guam could be attacked as well. Given that logic I'd expect Pearl to be just as likely a target. This doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

Fair use.
China Wants to Attack Guam in the Pacific
Jul 20, 2022
In planning an invasion of Taiwan, China needs to make sure that it doesn't face resistance from Guam, the closes US territory to Taiwan in the Pacific. Home to some 170,000 US troops and several military bases, Guam represents a real threat any CCP attack of Taiwan. In this episode of China Uncensored, we look at exactly how China would attack Guam, why Guam could be in real danger, and how Guam might protect itself.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65qIHrRWzo

run time 9:48
 

Housecarl

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Narrator suggests that if Taiwan is attacked then Guam could be attacked as well. Given that logic I'd expect Pearl to be just as likely a target. This doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

Fair use.
China Wants to Attack Guam in the Pacific
Jul 20, 2022
In planning an invasion of Taiwan, China needs to make sure that it doesn't face resistance from Guam, the closes US territory to Taiwan in the Pacific. Home to some 170,000 US troops and several military bases, Guam represents a real threat any CCP attack of Taiwan. In this episode of China Uncensored, we look at exactly how China would attack Guam, why Guam could be in real danger, and how Guam might protect itself.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K65qIHrRWzo

run time 9:48

Heck, this isn't a new concern. The fact is in order to ensure landings upon Taiwan the CCP would have to not just hit Guam and Hawaii, but Japan and South Korean based US and their domestic forces as well as Alaska and the US West Coast. If that isn't assumed in planning it ensures it. That degree of action guarantees MAD being put into play.
 

Old Gray Mare

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Heck, this isn't a new concern. The fact is in order to ensure landings upon Taiwan the CCP would have to not just hit Guam and Hawaii, but Japan and South Korean based US and their domestic forces as well as Alaska and the US West Coast. If that isn't assumed in planning it ensures it. That degree of action guarantees MAD being put into play.
Sigh....
 

jward

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Yes, as the post upthread suggests, it's long been assumed that such an effort (an attack on taiwan by C) would entail attacks on all the US assets and allies in reach as well

..I thought, probably with my characteristic stoopidity, that that was kinda one o' main reasons such a gambit was of such interest and such an issue for us... though granted containment and decency and economic concerns always get lip service as well. . .
 

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Taiwan’s homemade subs may or may not deter China
Gabriel Honrada​

Taiwan has announced that its first domestically-built conventional attack submarine will be launched in September 2023, the self-governing island’s latest effort to counterbalance China’s superior naval might, Taiwanese state media reported.
The report claims that Taiwan’s new indigenous 2,000-ton submarines are eight to ten times more capable than its legacy Chien-Lung and Hai Shih-class vessels.

Asia Pacific Defense Journal reports that Taiwan’s new submarines feature an X-form rudder as seen on Japan’s Soryu and Oyashio-class submarines and are expected to be built using Japanese submarine-building techniques in Kaohsiung. Seven more units are planned, with a total of eight projected to be launched by 2025, the report said.
However, Taiwan may take even longer to develop the doctrines, tactics, techniques and operating procedures for its domestically-built submarine fleet to be an effective fighting force.
As with the late-model Soryu and upcoming Taigei-class submarines, Taiwan’s new submarines will be equipped with domestically-made lithium-ion air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems, notes Naval News.
Cost considerations and export controls on AIP systems produced by Western manufacturers were the determining factors in the decision to use domestically-made AIP technology.

However, some observers doubt Taiwan will be able to develop its own AIP systems so quickly. The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), for one, notes a significant gap in Taiwan’s AIP research. The report said Taiwan has sent delegations worldwide to acquire the technology, raising certain doubts about its indigenous capacities.
Meanwhile, countries with established AIP technology such as Japan, Germany, Sweden and France have until now been reluctant to sell to Taiwan due to concerns of possible diplomatic and economic retribution from China, notes Defense News.
Early models of Taiwan’s indigenous conventional submarines may not have domestic AIP modules, while later models may. Some suggest it is possible that early models of Taiwan’s indigenous submarines could later be upgraded with domestically produced AIP modules if and when they become available.
Added to the mix, Defense Post reports that the US has offered the AN/BYG-1 submarine combat management system it uses in its nuclear submarines. Taiwan’s new attack submarines will also feature US sonar systems, reports Asia Military Review.
Taiwan’s indigenous submarine’s design is influenced by its older Dutch-built Chen-Lung units and will be armed with MK-48 Mod 6 Advanced heavyweight torpedoes and UGM-84L sub-launched Harpoon Block II missiles.


Strategy and operations
Since 2008, Taiwan has relied on a porcupine defense strategy, which involves large numbers of small, mobile, affordable and resilient anti-aircraft and anti-ship systems that can survive initial strikes and effectively fight off an amphibious Chinese invasion, notes Texas National Review.
The source mentions that these systems increase the risk of an invasion attempt, resulting in failure or stalling the operation. In addition, the prospect of China incurring colossal military, economic, political, domestic and international costs may deter it from launching an invasion that could fail or have huge reputational costs, the report says.
However, this strategy is far from perfect for Taiwan. For example, open sea lanes of communication (SLOC) are vital for its survival as a self-governing island. A statement released by the Kuomintang domestic political party notes that even with a porcupine strategy, Taiwan could be blockaded and starved to death.
At the same time, the missile systems that Taiwan relies on for its defense are passive weapons, in the sense that they can do little more than sit and wait for targets. Considering the limitations of this porcupine strategy, Taiwan may need systems that can take the fight to an invader rather than force them off the island’s shores.

As such, Taiwan’s homegrown submarines may be vital assets in keeping these SLOCs open if China decides to mount a blockade instead of an invasion, notes defense analyst Michal Thim in the blog Taiwan in Perspective.
Thim notes that submarines are excellent asymmetrical platforms that punch well above their weight, citing the effectiveness of Argentina’s submarines during the Falklands War, wherein one Argentine submarine managed to fire three times at the British fleet and still managed to escape.
Thim also mentions that submarines can inflict losses with high shock value, citing the sinking of the cruiser ARA General Belgrano by the HMS Conqueror. This loss profoundly shocked the Argentinean Navy, keeping its only carrier, ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, at port throughout the war.
During a potential Chinese blockade, Taiwan’s indigenous submarines could help to keep the island’s eastern ports open for US resupply. Ports such as Suao and Hualien would become vital lifelines if ports on the island’s western side such as Kaohsiung and Keelung are taken out of action.

China must also contend with possibly losing a major surface combatant against Taiwan’s diminutive submarines, such as one of its prized aircraft carriers or Type 55 cruisers. As shown by the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, the loss of a significant combatant entails vast costs on capability, morale and national prestige.
Taiwan’s current sub fleet is antiquated. Photo: Central News Agency, Taiwan Complicated status quo
However, Taiwan’s planned new submarines will not alone be enough to guarantee a successful defense of Taiwan. As noted in Asia Times, a small fleet of conventional submarines is insufficient on its own to deter a Chinese invasion.
The report notes that, on average, the Taiwan Strait is just 50 meters deep, which makes submarines easily detectable and targetable with modern anti-submarine weapons. Furthermore, a sub must be a coherent system from the start while integrating different subsystems from different manufacturers can pose technical problems, resulting in possible production delays.

Another Asia Times report surmised that a misplaced faith in Taiwan’s conventional submarines and other defensive assets can induce politicians to take even riskier courses of action – even with the strategic ambiguity between the US and Taiwan, where the US is non-committal in whether it would defend Taiwan – and make a Chinese invasion a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Still, Taiwan’s submarines are critical assets in maintaining the status quo in the Taiwan Strait, including as focal points of practical assistance and professional ties with the US and its allies.
Although utterly outmatched by China’s conventional military, Taiwan’s submarines are a critical asymmetric warfare platform that may help to even out the odds and maintain a tenuous regional peace.
Taiwan’s new submarines may be deployed to support special operations near the frontline islands of Kinmen and Matsu, threaten China’s invasion staging areas with long-range missile strikes and conduct surveillance of China’s military activities in the Taiwan Strait –assuming the boats are put into service before a conflict erupts in a new era of US-China tension and contest.

Taiwan’s homemade subs may or may not deter China
 

Housecarl

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Taiwan’s homemade subs may or may not deter China
Gabriel Honrada​


Taiwan has announced that its first domestically-built conventional attack submarine will be launched in September 2023, the self-governing island’s latest effort to counterbalance China’s superior naval might, Taiwanese state media reported.
The report claims that Taiwan’s new indigenous 2,000-ton submarines are eight to ten times more capable than its legacy Chien-Lung and Hai Shih-class vessels.

Asia Pacific Defense Journal reports that Taiwan’s new submarines feature an X-form rudder as seen on Japan’s Soryu and Oyashio-class submarines and are expected to be built using Japanese submarine-building techniques in Kaohsiung. Seven more units are planned, with a total of eight projected to be launched by 2025, the report said.
However, Taiwan may take even longer to develop the doctrines, tactics, techniques and operating procedures for its domestically-built submarine fleet to be an effective fighting force.
As with the late-model Soryu and upcoming Taigei-class submarines, Taiwan’s new submarines will be equipped with domestically-made lithium-ion air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems, notes Naval News.
Cost considerations and export controls on AIP systems produced by Western manufacturers were the determining factors in the decision to use domestically-made AIP technology.

However, some observers doubt Taiwan will be able to develop its own AIP systems so quickly. The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), for one, notes a significant gap in Taiwan’s AIP research. The report said Taiwan has sent delegations worldwide to acquire the technology, raising certain doubts about its indigenous capacities.
Meanwhile, countries with established AIP technology such as Japan, Germany, Sweden and France have until now been reluctant to sell to Taiwan due to concerns of possible diplomatic and economic retribution from China, notes Defense News.
Early models of Taiwan’s indigenous conventional submarines may not have domestic AIP modules, while later models may. Some suggest it is possible that early models of Taiwan’s indigenous submarines could later be upgraded with domestically produced AIP modules if and when they become available.
Added to the mix, Defense Post reports that the US has offered the AN/BYG-1 submarine combat management system it uses in its nuclear submarines. Taiwan’s new attack submarines will also feature US sonar systems, reports Asia Military Review.
Taiwan’s indigenous submarine’s design is influenced by its older Dutch-built Chen-Lung units and will be armed with MK-48 Mod 6 Advanced heavyweight torpedoes and UGM-84L sub-launched Harpoon Block II missiles.


Strategy and operations
Since 2008, Taiwan has relied on a porcupine defense strategy, which involves large numbers of small, mobile, affordable and resilient anti-aircraft and anti-ship systems that can survive initial strikes and effectively fight off an amphibious Chinese invasion, notes Texas National Review.
The source mentions that these systems increase the risk of an invasion attempt, resulting in failure or stalling the operation. In addition, the prospect of China incurring colossal military, economic, political, domestic and international costs may deter it from launching an invasion that could fail or have huge reputational costs, the report says.
However, this strategy is far from perfect for Taiwan. For example, open sea lanes of communication (SLOC) are vital for its survival as a self-governing island. A statement released by the Kuomintang domestic political party notes that even with a porcupine strategy, Taiwan could be blockaded and starved to death.
At the same time, the missile systems that Taiwan relies on for its defense are passive weapons, in the sense that they can do little more than sit and wait for targets. Considering the limitations of this porcupine strategy, Taiwan may need systems that can take the fight to an invader rather than force them off the island’s shores.

As such, Taiwan’s homegrown submarines may be vital assets in keeping these SLOCs open if China decides to mount a blockade instead of an invasion, notes defense analyst Michal Thim in the blog Taiwan in Perspective.
Thim notes that submarines are excellent asymmetrical platforms that punch well above their weight, citing the effectiveness of Argentina’s submarines during the Falklands War, wherein one Argentine submarine managed to fire three times at the British fleet and still managed to escape.
Thim also mentions that submarines can inflict losses with high shock value, citing the sinking of the cruiser ARA General Belgrano by the HMS Conqueror. This loss profoundly shocked the Argentinean Navy, keeping its only carrier, ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, at port throughout the war.
During a potential Chinese blockade, Taiwan’s indigenous submarines could help to keep the island’s eastern ports open for US resupply. Ports such as Suao and Hualien would become vital lifelines if ports on the island’s western side such as Kaohsiung and Keelung are taken out of action.

China must also contend with possibly losing a major surface combatant against Taiwan’s diminutive submarines, such as one of its prized aircraft carriers or Type 55 cruisers. As shown by the sinking of the Russian cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, the loss of a significant combatant entails vast costs on capability, morale and national prestige.
Taiwan’s current sub fleet is antiquated. Photo: Central News Agency, Taiwan Complicated status quo
However, Taiwan’s planned new submarines will not alone be enough to guarantee a successful defense of Taiwan. As noted in Asia Times, a small fleet of conventional submarines is insufficient on its own to deter a Chinese invasion.
The report notes that, on average, the Taiwan Strait is just 50 meters deep, which makes submarines easily detectable and targetable with modern anti-submarine weapons. Furthermore, a sub must be a coherent system from the start while integrating different subsystems from different manufacturers can pose technical problems, resulting in possible production delays.

Another Asia Times report surmised that a misplaced faith in Taiwan’s conventional submarines and other defensive assets can induce politicians to take even riskier courses of action – even with the strategic ambiguity between the US and Taiwan, where the US is non-committal in whether it would defend Taiwan – and make a Chinese invasion a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Still, Taiwan’s submarines are critical assets in maintaining the status quo in the Taiwan Strait, including as focal points of practical assistance and professional ties with the US and its allies.
Although utterly outmatched by China’s conventional military, Taiwan’s submarines are a critical asymmetric warfare platform that may help to even out the odds and maintain a tenuous regional peace.
Taiwan’s new submarines may be deployed to support special operations near the frontline islands of Kinmen and Matsu, threaten China’s invasion staging areas with long-range missile strikes and conduct surveillance of China’s military activities in the Taiwan Strait –assuming the boats are put into service before a conflict erupts in a new era of US-China tension and contest.

Taiwan’s homemade subs may or may not deter China

I'm guessing they're going to be more focused on cruise missile, or even ballistic missile, platforms than SF or anti shipping missions.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
New Chinese 203MM cannon could put Taipei in artillery range

by WorldTribune.com
July 21 2022


New Chinese 203MM cannon could put Taipei in artillery range

artil1 by N/A is licensed under Chinese Internet N/A

A vague image that appeared on a Chinese web page on July 7 may be the first indication of a new mobile 203mm artillery cannon that, with ramjet propelled rounds, may have enough range to reach Taiwan from Chinese coastal islands.
FPI / July 21, 2022

Geostrategy-Direct.com

By Richard Fisher

China’s North Industries Corporation, or NORINCO, may be developing a 203mm mobile artillery system, that with new ramjet-powered shells, may have the potential to reach targets in Taiwan.

An image that appeared on Chinese web page on July 7 showed the outline of a large 5x5 wheeled transport vehicle with what appears to be a large 203 millimeter (MM) or 8-inch diameter barrel, with the transporter appearing to be a logical progression from recent Norinco 155mm wheeled artillery systems like the PCL 181 revealed in 2019.

While it likely has long had access to this system, China has not purchased the Russian 2S7.

But in recent years there has likely been a more urgent incentive for the PLA to develop a 203mm artillery system to be able to provide yet another level of fire support for an invasion of Taiwan, and to out-range Indian artillery systems on their increasingly contested border.

What would make a new Norinco 203mm artillery system a threat to Taiwan would be the possible successful development of a ramjet powered 203mm artillery shell.

Images emerged in 2017 that China had developed a 155mm ramjet powered artillery shell, but there is no reporting that the development was successful.

New Chinese 203MM cannon could put Taipei in artillery range | Trib 247 | trib247.com
 

jward

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Pelosi says military afraid China will shoot down plane over Taiwan
Reports say US house speaker could visit Taiwan in August

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By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2022/07/22 11:22



Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., meets with reporters ahead of a planned vote in the House that would inscribe the right to use contracept...



TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday (July 21) refused to confirm or deny a reported trip to Taiwan, but indicated the U.S. military was concerned that her plane "would get shot down" by Chinese forces as it neared Taiwan airspace.

The Financial Times on Tuesday (July 19) cited six sources saying Pelosi will head a delegation that will visit Taiwan in August. When asked on Wednesday (July 20) by the media at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland to comment on Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, Biden said, "Well, I think that the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now," reported AP.

At Pelosi's weekly press conference on Thursday, a reporter asked her to respond to Biden's comment that the military does not believe it is a good idea to visit Taiwan at this time and whether that concern would deter her from visiting the country. Pelosi responded by emphasizing that she never discusses her travel plans in advance as it is a "security issue" and quipped, "You never even hear me say if I'm going to London."

When asked what the U.S. can do to deter China from attacking Taiwan, Pelosi laughed and said that it is a "very major issue" and stressed that it is important to show support for Taiwan. She added, "None of us have ever said that we are for independence when it comes to Taiwan. That's up to Taiwan to decide."

Addressing military concerns over her potential trip to Taiwan, Pelosi said, "I think what the president was saying is maybe the military was afraid our plane would get shot down, or something like that, by the Chinese." She then qualified her answer by saying, "I don't know exactly. I didn't see it. I didn't hear it."

Pelosi further backed away from her comment about the potential threat to her flight by saying, "You're telling me, and I've heard it anecdotally, but I haven't heard it from the president."

If Pelosi's trip takes place as reported, this would mark the first time a House speaker has visited Taiwan since Newt Gingrich's 1997 meeting with former President Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) in Taipei. Pelosi reportedly had originally planned to visit Taiwan in April, but the trip was canceled at the last minute after she was diagnosed with COVID.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1110&v=o0Fgr3tM-Os&feature=emb_imp_woyt
 

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Amid credible press reports that Speaker Pelosi will travel to Taiwan in August--a trip planned for April that was postponed by her positive COVID-19 test--it might be useful to review the 1995-96 episode that marked the greatest Strait crisis since the late 1950s. 1/15

A prevailing US narrative of the 95-96 crisis was that China "overreacted" to the 1995 US visit of then ROC President Li, and the US confronted PLA intimidation of Taiwan's voters in the March 1996 election with two aircraft carrier strike groups to blunt the threat. 2/

The Chinese narrative is quite different, as are the lessons it believed were taught and learned. In early 1995, Sec. Christopher assured PRC counterpart, Qian Qichen that a ROC presidential visit would not be allowed. And then it was, by Pres. Clinton himself. 3/

For Washington, TW Pres. Lee's visit was private, to attend a reunion at Cornell Univ. For China, the US policy reversal on Presidential visits, inspired by $4 million in TW lobbying over the previous year, was the first serious test of US assurances post Tiananmen/Cold War. 4/

Beijing recalled their Ambassador to the US, and began preparations for a series of military demonstrations that would continue for the next 9 months. The PLA likely had no major amphibious exercises planned, so had to invent some. It had no capability to invade the island. 5/

In July, China staged major amphibious exercises opposite Taiwan, and featured them on nightly TV news. China launched short-range ballistic missiles--a weapon so new that its launch brigades didn't exist yet--into waters in the Strait. 6/

China then geared up to conduct larger military demonstrations in Feb-March 1996 in advance of Taiwan first direct presidential elections. For these exercises, China announced SRBM "tests" into closure areas near TW's two main commercial ports. 7/

China also dispatched to Washington a senior national security official roughly equivalent to NSC Director Tony Lake, for talks. On the Straits, after four missile launches, server storms intervened to impede the PLA's maneuvers. 8/

SECDEF Perry announced to reporters that the US would dispatch 2 carrier strike groups toward Taiwan to demonstrate grave concerns about China's actions. The PLA exercises--and TW's elections--were over before either could arrive. But it was good theater. 9/

Publicly, the US and Taiwan declared victory, but privately it would seem that the Clinton admin reassessed the previous year's missteps. In the 18 months that followed, Clinton met three times with Jiang Zemin, and announced in Shanghai at the 3rd summit its "3 Nos" pledge. 10/

For Beijing, the episode was viewed as a success, demonstrating again to the US that Taiwan is a war or peace issue that cannot be treated lightly. China's strong response steered the US back on the "correct path," with no repeats of Lee's high-profile visit. 11/

In that light, Speaker Pelosi's planned visit to Taiwan next month is being met with serious--if vague--warnings from Beijing. It probably does not rise to the level of Lee's 95 US visit, and isn't unprecedented, but the circumstances of the US-China relationship are worse. 12/

Moreover, Xi Jinping is laser focused on beginning his ground-breaking 3rd term as paramount leader this Fall, so the stakes for looking weak vs. Taiwan & the US are high. It's reminiscent of 2012 Senkakus crisis on the eve of the 18th PC that installed Xi for his 1st term. 13/

Xi and the PRC have to consider if it is more dangerous to look weak, or respond too strongly--hard to find a "goldilocks" option. Military pressure vs Taiwan is already high, with repeated incursions since 2019 of its southwest ADIZ and air+sea patrols around the island. 14/

Correspondingly, military signaling would have to exceed the high background noise, and the 95-96 demonstrations. Beijing may be better served this time to not over-react, but it may believe that risks the US sliding toward ever more dangerous actions. 15/15

Endnote: The 95-96 episode was almost a perfect crisis in the sense that China, the US, and TW could all claim victory by emphasizing different aspects. Any future such crisis--over a Speaker visit to TW for example--likely will produce only losers.

For Beijing, there are good arguments for a major crisis, but somewhat paradoxically, the terrible state of bilateral relations argues against it--at least in terms of a military confrontation...

In the mid-90s, Beijing needed the relationship and a manufactured crisis using a weak PLA could shift the US back to an understanding. Little prospect of that today--quite the opposite.
 

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China may declare no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of Nancy Pelosi's visit

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip

Topics Joe Biden | Nancy Pelosi | Taiwan

By IANS | Washington | Last Updated at July 22 2022 15:14 IST





Nancy Pelosi (Photo: Reuters)

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip, potentially raising tensions even further in the region, CNN reported.

China could also respond by flying fighter jets further into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone, which could trigger a response from Taiwan and the US, the official added. They did not detail what a possible response would entail, CNN reported.
China has sent warplanes into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone identification zone many times in recent months, an act which does not violate any international law but which usually results in Taiwan taking precautionary defensive measures, including sometimes scrambling its fighter jets.

Chinese planes have not entered the island's territorial airspace -- the area extending 12 nautical miles from its coastline.
The State Department has called on China to cease its intimidation of Taiwan.
Pelosi has been planning a trip to Taiwan in the coming weeks, according to three sources familiar with the planning process, CNN reported.
While other members of Congress and former US officials have visited Taiwan this year, Pelosi would be the highest-ranking US lawmaker to visit Taiwan in 25 years. Then Speaker Newt Gingrich travelled to Taiwan in 1997.
--IANS
 

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China may declare no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of Nancy Pelosi's visit

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip

Topics Joe Biden | Nancy Pelosi | Taiwan

By IANS | Washington | Last Updated at July 22 2022 15:14 IST





Nancy Pelosi (Photo: Reuters)

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip, potentially raising tensions even further in the region, CNN reported.

China could also respond by flying fighter jets further into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone, which could trigger a response from Taiwan and the US, the official added. They did not detail what a possible response would entail, CNN reported.
China has sent warplanes into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone identification zone many times in recent months, an act which does not violate any international law but which usually results in Taiwan taking precautionary defensive measures, including sometimes scrambling its fighter jets.

Chinese planes have not entered the island's territorial airspace -- the area extending 12 nautical miles from its coastline.
The State Department has called on China to cease its intimidation of Taiwan.
Pelosi has been planning a trip to Taiwan in the coming weeks, according to three sources familiar with the planning process, CNN reported.
While other members of Congress and former US officials have visited Taiwan this year, Pelosi would be the highest-ranking US lawmaker to visit Taiwan in 25 years. Then Speaker Newt Gingrich travelled to Taiwan in 1997.
--IANS

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US Ambassdor to China Nick Burns abruptly cut short trip to Washington and returned to Beijing to deal with Pelosi/Taiwan crisis and prepare for a Biden-Xi Jinping phone call.

China strengthens warning to US about Pelosi’s planned Taiwan trip
Beijing alarms White House by privately suggesting possible military response if Speaker visits



China has issued stark private warnings to the Biden administration about the upcoming trip to Taiwan by Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, triggering alarm bells among White House officials who oppose her visit. Six people familiar with the Chinese warnings said they were significantly stronger than the threats that Beijing has made in the past when it was unhappy with US actions or policy on Taiwan. China has publicly threatened “strong measures” if Pelosi proceeds with the planned visit in August. But one person said China had expressed “stronger opposition” to the US in private than before. Several other people familiar with the situation said the private rhetoric went even further by suggesting a possible military response. Beijing has not been explicit about its potential responses. Its military could try to block Pelosi from landing in Taiwan or take other actions to impede her visit, such as using fighter jets to intercept her US military aircraft

. Several people said the White House was trying to assess whether China was making serious threats or engaging in brinkmanship in an attempt to pressure Pelosi to abandon her trip. US national security adviser Jake Sullivan and other senior National Security Council officials oppose the trip because of the risk of escalating tension across the Taiwan Strait, according to two people familiar with the debate. The NSC declined to comment on whether the administration had urged Pelosi to cancel her trip. John Kirby, NSC head of strategic communications, said on Friday the NSC team provided “context, facts and geopolitical relevant information”, and that the Speaker made her own decisions. The controversy over the trip has sparked concern among Washington’s allies who are worried that it could trigger a crisis between the US and China, according to several of the people with knowledge of the situation. In another illustration of the heightened concern, US ambassador to China Nick Burns abruptly cut short a visit to Washington this week and returned to Beijing, partly because of the mounting concerns over Taiwan and also to prepare for an upcoming phone call between President Joe Biden and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping. The state department declined to comment. Biden this week said he expected to speak to Xi by the end of the month.

The two leaders are expected to discuss Taiwan, which has emerged as a serious flashpoint. China has flown an increasing number of warplanes into Taiwan’s “air defence identification zone” since Biden came to office. In May, Biden said the US would intervene militarily to defend Taiwan from any Chinese attack. The controversy about Pelosi’s trip erupted after the Financial Times revealed that she planned to visit Taiwan to show support as it comes under rising pressure from China in the context of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which has elevated fears about Chinese military action. Pelosi and her delegation will also visit Japan, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia. The timing of the visit is sensitive for China. It will come in the same month as the August 1 anniversary of the founding of the People’s Liberation Army. It may also coincide with the Communist party leadership’s annual conclave in the coastal resort of Beidaihe where cadres discuss policy but also sometimes tackle power struggles. The conclave is even more important this year as Xi will have to lay the ground for securing an unprecedented third term as party head at the Chinese Communist party’s 20th Congress in November.

Since the US normalised relations with China and switched diplomatic recognition from Taipei to Beijing in 1997, it has maintained a “one China” policy under which it recognises Beijing as the sole government of China while only acknowledging Beijing’s position that Taiwan is part of China. Beijing has accused Biden of diluting that policy by taking steps such as sending a high-profile delegation of former US officials to Taipei earlier this year. Pelosi would be the most senior US politician to visit Taiwan since then-Republican Speaker Newt Gingrich travelled to Taipei in 1979. Beijing is opposed to any moves that appear to confer legitimacy on Taiwan as an independent country or make the US relationship more formal. Some experts say China erroneously believes the White House is co-ordinating the visit because Pelosi and Biden belong to the same party, even though Congress is independent and Biden has no power to block her travel plans. The Pentagon this week briefed Pelosi on the scenarios that could occur if she travels to Taipei. Following that briefing, Biden told reporters that “the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now” for Pelosi to proceed. But US officials have said that the military simply outlined the various risks attached to such a visit. At a news conference the following day, Pelosi said Biden had not raised any concern about the trip, which she refused to confirm. However, she indirectly referred to it by saying that Biden appeared to be pointing to some of the scenarios that could occur if she visited Taiwan.

“I think what the president was saying is [that] maybe the military was afraid our plane would get shot down or something like that by the Chinese,” she said. “I’ve heard it anecdotally, but I haven’t heard it from the president.” Pelosi’s office did not respond to a request for comment about whether she might abandon her trip. People briefed on national security affairs in Taipei said the risk that Beijing might markedly step up military aggression in response to Pelosi’s visit was more pronounced than last year given the rising tension. “Previously the gangster was wearing a suit, but now he is directly taking the knife out,” said a senior Taiwanese official.

 

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Pelosi muddies the waters of the Taiwan Strait

US military worries about a retaliatory incident in the South China Sea if she persists with Taiwan visit plan
by James Carden July 23, 2022


US Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has roiled US-China relations with her plan to visit Taiwan. Photo: AFP / Nicholas Kamm

On Tuesday, the Financial Times published the potentially explosive news that US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, second-in-line to the presidency behind Vice President Kamala Harris, plans to visit Taiwan next month. The British report cited unnamed sources. Pelosi made no announcement.

The news blindsided the Washington foreign policy world and added another item to a growing list of contentious issues between Washington and Beijing – including, not least, US President Biden’s recent gaffe regarding his readiness to “defend Taiwan.”
“This is a really lousy idea,” said a former top US diplomat. In view of the speaker’s constitutional position in the presidential succession a visit would be “clearly out of line with the Shanghai Communique” of 1972, which established the One China policy.

In a conversation with reporters July 21, President Biden said the rumored trip was “not a good idea,” adding, “The military thinks it’s not a good idea.”
Signals from the Biden Administration on China policy have been confusing and sometimes confrontational.
In April, on a trip to the Solomon Islands, a high-ranking US State Department official, Daniel Kritenbrink, who currently serves as assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs, refused to rule out military action should China be allowed to establish military bases there.

In May, the State Department (temporarily) changed the wording of the One China policy on the Department’s website. Three weeks later the changes were reversed.
Meanwhile, hawkish USS Senators Lindsey Graham and Robert Menendez have introduced a bill titled the Taiwan Policy Act 2022, which is slowly making its way toward a full vote in the Senate. An accompanying bill was introduced by Congressman Mike Gallagher in the Hous.

According to Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the legislation
represents a seminal statement of the United States’ absolute commitment to stand with Taiwan and all those who share our interests and our values in the Indo-Pacific in the face of Beijing’s military, economic, and diplomatic threats and bullying. The United States and our partners have a critical window of opportunity to reinvigorate our diplomatic strategy to assure cross-Strait stability and security and to work with Taipei to modernize their military.
The suggestion of a Pelosi trip could not have come at a worse time and is receiving public push-back from the White House and the Pentagon. More quietly, a source close to the administration told Asia Times that the Biden NSC was “deeply displeased” to have been blindsided by the speaker’s announcement, particularly since Pelosi was aware that the Biden’s team had been working on trying to arrange a call between Biden and Chinese president Xi – their first since March.
China was swift to react. “If the US insists on going its own way, China will take forceful measures to resolutely respond and counter it, and we will do what we say,” said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin.

Some in the China policy community in Washington have expressed concern that the vehemence of the response to Pelosi’s planned trip by the ministry leaves China little choice but to “do something” should the trip take place. Options open to the Chinese include increased overflights of the Taiwan Straits or, more dramatically, the possibility of a PLA air force escort of Pelosi’s aircraft.
Quincy Institute East Asia scholar Michael Swaine spoke for many when he said on Wednesday, “Pelosi visiting Taiwan is such a bad idea it’s hard to know where to begin in criticizing it. She is a senior member of the United States government. There is no upside to such a visit and only downsides.”

But, as I was recently reminded by a venerable Washington China hand, Pelosi is a China hawk of long standing. Recall the incident some thirty years ago, in September 1991, when Pelosi, a then up-and-coming Democratic backbencher, made a highly publicized visit to Tiananmen Square, site of the 1989 pro-democracy protests that took the lives of hundreds of protestors.

Pelosi’s unilateral decision to visit Taipei seems to be making a bad situation with China even worse.
Veteran China watcher Bonnie Glaser, head of the German Marshall Fund’s Asia program, told reporters that the military’s concerns stemmed from the risk of an incident in the South China Sea.
“That suggests the US military sees something unusual in how the Chinese are operating and how they are responding to US operations,” she said. “Some of the Chinese reactions to US FONOPs [freedom of navigation operations] in the South China Sea have been unusually aggressive.”

 

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Pelosi says military afraid China will shoot down plane over Taiwan
Reports say US house speaker could visit Taiwan in August

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By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2022/07/22 11:22



Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., meets with reporters ahead of a planned vote in the House that would inscribe the right to use contracept...



TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday (July 21) refused to confirm or deny a reported trip to Taiwan, but indicated the U.S. military was concerned that her plane "would get shot down" by Chinese forces as it neared Taiwan airspace.

The Financial Times on Tuesday (July 19) cited six sources saying Pelosi will head a delegation that will visit Taiwan in August. When asked on Wednesday (July 20) by the media at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland to comment on Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, Biden said, "Well, I think that the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now," reported AP.

At Pelosi's weekly press conference on Thursday, a reporter asked her to respond to Biden's comment that the military does not believe it is a good idea to visit Taiwan at this time and whether that concern would deter her from visiting the country. Pelosi responded by emphasizing that she never discusses her travel plans in advance as it is a "security issue" and quipped, "You never even hear me say if I'm going to London."

When asked what the U.S. can do to deter China from attacking Taiwan, Pelosi laughed and said that it is a "very major issue" and stressed that it is important to show support for Taiwan. She added, "None of us have ever said that we are for independence when it comes to Taiwan. That's up to Taiwan to decide."

Addressing military concerns over her potential trip to Taiwan, Pelosi said, "I think what the president was saying is maybe the military was afraid our plane would get shot down, or something like that, by the Chinese." She then qualified her answer by saying, "I don't know exactly. I didn't see it. I didn't hear it."

Pelosi further backed away from her comment about the potential threat to her flight by saying, "You're telling me, and I've heard it anecdotally, but I haven't heard it from the president."

If Pelosi's trip takes place as reported, this would mark the first time a House speaker has visited Taiwan since Newt Gingrich's 1997 meeting with former President Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) in Taipei. Pelosi reportedly had originally planned to visit Taiwan in April, but the trip was canceled at the last minute after she was diagnosed with COVID.




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