WAR CHINA THREATENS TO INVADE TAIWAN

danielboon

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@Avalon.red
China threatens to invade Taiwan with fears of all-out War
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BY LLB REPORTER AT 1:02 PM MAY 30, 2020BUSINESS NEWS, POLITICS, WORLD NEWS
China has threatened to invade Taiwan and take back control by any means necessary, as China claims to be the legitimate successor.
Li Zuocheng, chief of the joint staff department declared in Beijing, “If the possibility for peaceful reunification is lost, the people’s armed forces will, with the whole nation, including the people of Taiwan, take all necessary steps to resolutely smash any separatist plots or actions.
“We do not promise to abandon the use of force and reserve the option to take all necessary measures, to stabilise and control the situation in the Taiwan Strait.”

In 1949 Taiwan has been separated from mainland China, after the nationalists lost the Chinese Civil War and were forced from the mainland.
The official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC) and the politics in Taiwan is split in two, with the pan green who want independence and pan blue who want unification with the mainland.
The Taiwanese President Tsai Ling-wen who favours independence will also cross the red for Beijing as General Li’s has called on China to use military force if Taiwan are set to or do declare independence.
The Taiwanese mainland affairs council said, “Taiwan’s people will neither choose dictatorship nor bow to violence.
“Force and unilateral decisions are not the way to resolve problems.”
Li Zhanshu, Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, echoed General Li’s sentiments, saying, “As long as there is a slightest chance of a peaceful resolution, we will put in hundred times the effort.
“We warn Taiwan’s pro-independence and separatist forces sternly, the path of Taiwan independence leads to a dead end; any challenge to this law will be severely punished.”
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I do wonder if the Chinese are miss reading the situation in the US and think just because there are some urban riots that the US will not respond to such an action?

I mean I'm not certain the US will respond (I leave that to better military minds here on the forum) but I don't think for a moment the riots would stop Trump from calling out the military if he felt it was wise to do so, and I also think the riots might stop pretty quickly if a full-scale hot war looked to be about to take place.

I hope this is just China feeling their oats, but I'm not counting on it either.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
ive been watching china thru all this virus stuff, the got economically crippled and ow fighting another outbreak along with tht pig ebola, that i read has been transmitted to humans.

im wodering of they are doing the sun tzu thing---when you are weask pretend you are strong. are they being beligerent now with hong kong, taiwwan and invading indai to act like they are the same strong bully on the block they always were? going after resources to help prop them up?
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
The Taiwan government is not much better than the Chinese and because of this they are unwilling to militarily train their people to arms and allow them to be armed after their term of service I.E. send them home with a rifle and 100 rounds of ammo. It would take a few years but the whole country wold become a very large standing Army and the Chinese invading Taiwan would never happen as there would be to high price to pay to pull it off and more than likely lose the battle to Taiwans people.
 

Grumphau

Contributing Member
What kind of ability do the Chicoms have for launching a large scale amphibious invasion? Do they even need ships, or could they use helicopters at that distance?
 

meandk0610

Veteran Member

@Avalon.red
China threatens to invade Taiwan with fears of all-out War
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BY LLB REPORTER AT 1:02 PM MAY 30, 2020BUSINESS NEWS, POLITICS, WORLD NEWS
China has threatened to invade Taiwan and take back control by any means necessary, as China claims to be the legitimate successor.
Li Zuocheng, chief of the joint staff department declared in Beijing, “If the possibility for peaceful reunification is lost, the people’s armed forces will, with the whole nation, including the people of Taiwan, take all necessary steps to resolutely smash any separatist plots or actions.
“We do not promise to abandon the use of force and reserve the option to take all necessary measures, to stabilise and control the situation in the Taiwan Strait.”

In 1949 Taiwan has been separated from mainland China, after the nationalists lost the Chinese Civil War and were forced from the mainland.
The official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC) and the politics in Taiwan is split in two, with the pan green who want independence and pan blue who want unification with the mainland.
The Taiwanese President Tsai Ling-wen who favours independence will also cross the red for Beijing as General Li’s has called on China to use military force if Taiwan are set to or do declare independence.
The Taiwanese mainland affairs council said, “Taiwan’s people will neither choose dictatorship nor bow to violence.
“Force and unilateral decisions are not the way to resolve problems.”
Li Zhanshu, Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, echoed General Li’s sentiments, saying, “As long as there is a slightest chance of a peaceful resolution, we will put in hundred times the effort.
“We warn Taiwan’s pro-independence and separatist forces sternly, the path of Taiwan independence leads to a dead end; any challenge to this law will be severely punished.”
I think I can just make out a sign up ahead that says, “FINAL NOTICE TO PREP WHAT YOU CAN.” Somebody correct me if my glasses are fuzzy,
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
I do wonder if the Chinese are miss reading the situation in the US and think just because there are some urban riots that the US will not respond to such an action?

I mean I'm not certain the US will respond (I leave that to better military minds here on the forum) but I don't think for a moment the riots would stop Trump from calling out the military if he felt it was wise to do so, and I also think the riots might stop pretty quickly if a full-scale hot war looked to be about to take place.

I hope this is just China feeling their oats, but I'm not counting on it either.
The Chinese Communists are pragmatic and with 1.4 BILLION population under their total control, they've taken total advantage of the last three presidents since Sep 19, 2000 when Clinton and the RINO's gave them their first great gift - normalizing trade relations with China!

Since then, the United States gooberment and the EU, has turned blind eyes towards all of the human abuses and economic crimes of the CCP.

The turncoats in control of our government opened the doors to our intellectual capital for the CCP's hand selected agents to infiltrate our research and intellectual capital in our best Universities. They've ignored the illegal flow of our newest advancements in engineering, agriculture, computer science, and medicine back into China.

The gooberment allowed these same agents to stay in this country after their graduation and to be employed in our critical advanced manufacturing where these agents have feloniously transferred critical and strategic information back to the Chinese to incorporate into their plans of world domination.

These same gooberment elites enabled the hemorrhaging of American manufacturing jobs and MORE IMPORTANTLY the capabilities to make critical materials, products and machinery.

The tip of this iceberg finally became visible during the COVID-19 crisis when Americans in mass finally woke to the fact that we can't even make the basics needed for medicines, PPE, and health equipment. This is just the tip of the critical processes and capabilities that the greed of politicians and corrupt financial elites enabled to move to what IMHO is our greatest enemy.

Again IMHO I think the Chinise's long game has included the outright purchase of many of our politicians, the growth of influence on or media, the use through economic policies to buy up critical assists of the country, and the movement of critical and strategic capabilities from this country to Chinese control.

Todays riots aren't the Triger for the Chinese, that's just some icing on their cake. The main reasons the CCP is making its push now is:

1. The demon-crats destruction and move towards communism principles
2. The demon-crats seditionists acts that have crippled our government and stirred the race pot to boiling point
3. The work done by their COVID-19 WMD in crippling our economy and putting it into the toilet
4. The miss use of our military assists under Bush II and Obama that burned through materials, money, manpower and will
5. The fear that we've awoken as a people and with the Chinese economic problems and the strong economic war of Trump, we will destroy them economically through closing our markets to them and moving all critical manufacturing back home

They've moved against Hong Kong and will absorb it and if they judge the USA weak enough will move on Taiwan. Like said earlier, their playing the long game and depending on the American tendency to be more focused on personal pleasures and becoming weaker each and every year, to allow them to reach their goals.

They are going to push every button, over reach all over the world and continue to undermine this country internally until we are no longer a threat and they are dominate in the world. When they judge it's time, they will act militarily even at the cost of 100 millions of their own people.
 

vestige

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Chinese Communists are pragmatic and with 1.4 BILLION population under their total control, they've taken total advantage of the last three presidents since Sep 19, 2000 when Clinton and the RINO's gave them their first great gift - normalizing trade relations with China!

Since then, the United States gooberment and the EU, has turned blind eyes towards all of the human abuses and economic crimes of the CCP.

The turncoats in control of our government opened the doors to our intellectual capital for the CCP's hand selected agents to infiltrate our research and intellectual capital in our best Universities. They've ignored the illegal flow of our newest advancements in engineering, agriculture, computer science, and medicine back into China.

The gooberment allowed these same agents to stay in this country after their graduation and to be employed in our critical advanced manufacturing where these agents have feloniously transferred critical and strategic information back to the Chinese to incorporate into their plans of world domination.

These same gooberment elites enabled the hemorrhaging of American manufacturing jobs and MORE IMPORTANTLY the capabilities to make critical materials, products and machinery.

The tip of this iceberg finally became visible during the COVID-19 crisis when Americans in mass finally woke to the fact that we can't even make the basics needed for medicines, PPE, and health equipment. This is just the tip of the critical processes and capabilities that the greed of politicians and corrupt financial elites enabled to move to what IMHO is our greatest enemy.

Again IMHO I think the Chinise's long game has included the outright purchase of many of our politicians, the growth of influence on or media, the use through economic policies to buy up critical assists of the country, and the movement of critical and strategic capabilities from this country to Chinese control.

Todays riots aren't the Triger for the Chinese, that's just some icing on their cake. The main reasons the CCP is making its push now is:

1. The demon-crats destruction and move towards communism principles
2. The demon-crats seditionists acts that have crippled our government and stirred the race pot to boiling point
3. The work done by their COVID-19 WMD in crippling our economy and putting it into the toilet
4. The miss use of our military assists under Bush II and Obama that burned through materials, money, manpower and will
5. The fear that we've awoken as a people and with the Chinese economic problems and the strong economic war of Trump, we will destroy them economically through closing our markets to them and moving all critical manufacturing back home

They've moved against Hong Kong and will absorb it and if they judge the USA weak enough will move on Taiwan. Like said earlier, their playing the long game and depending on the American tendency to be more focused on personal pleasures and becoming weaker each and every year, to allow them to reach their goals.

They are going to push every button, over reach all over the world and continue to undermine this country internally until we are no longer a threat and they are dominate in the world. When they judge it's time, they will act even at the cost of 100 millions of their own people.
Nice post
 

Old Gray Mare

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How the USS Saint Paul (CA-73), a Baltimore-class cruiser became the flagship of the Seventh Fleet.

This is little known US Naval history but has to do with the OP topic. Promise. - OGM

During the Korean War Dad was stationed on the USS Saint Paul when the Admiral of the Fleet moved his "Flag" on to it. A lowly little cruiser isn't a typical fleet flagship.

I'm guessing the move was made due to the ship's shallower draft enabling it to navigate in shallow water larger fleet ships can't. This is important because as soon as the Admiral was onboard the ship anchored between two islands "somewhere in the China Sea".

On one island were Chinese Communists military on the other Nationalist military who had fled mainland China. The two forces were actively firing at each other.

The ship remained anchored for two nights. Missiles continued to fly over the ship between the two islands. Dad said no one got any sleep those two nights. Not one shell came anywhere near the ship. Then the ship was ordered away from the islands. Point made.

I wonder if Taiwan will be left to its own devices or will America again sail between Taiwanese forces and those of Communist China?
 
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NCGirl

Veteran Member
The Chinese Communists are pragmatic and with 1.4 BILLION population under their total control, they've taken total advantage of the last three presidents since Sep 19, 2000 when Clinton and the RINO's gave them their first great gift - normalizing trade relations with China!

Since then, the United States gooberment and the EU, has turned blind eyes towards all of the human abuses and economic crimes of the CCP.

The turncoats in control of our government opened the doors to our intellectual capital for the CCP's hand selected agents to infiltrate our research and intellectual capital in our best Universities. They've ignored the illegal flow of our newest advancements in engineering, agriculture, computer science, and medicine back into China.

The gooberment allowed these same agents to stay in this country after their graduation and to be employed in our critical advanced manufacturing where these agents have feloniously transferred critical and strategic information back to the Chinese to incorporate into their plans of world domination.

These same gooberment elites enabled the hemorrhaging of American manufacturing jobs and MORE IMPORTANTLY the capabilities to make critical materials, products and machinery.

The tip of this iceberg finally became visible during the COVID-19 crisis when Americans in mass finally woke to the fact that we can't even make the basics needed for medicines, PPE, and health equipment. This is just the tip of the critical processes and capabilities that the greed of politicians and corrupt financial elites enabled to move to what IMHO is our greatest enemy.

Again IMHO I think the Chinise's long game has included the outright purchase of many of our politicians, the growth of influence on or media, the use through economic policies to buy up critical assists of the country, and the movement of critical and strategic capabilities from this country to Chinese control.

Todays riots aren't the Triger for the Chinese, that's just some icing on their cake. The main reasons the CCP is making its push now is:

1. The demon-crats destruction and move towards communism principles
2. The demon-crats seditionists acts that have crippled our government and stirred the race pot to boiling point
3. The work done by their COVID-19 WMD in crippling our economy and putting it into the toilet
4. The miss use of our military assists under Bush II and Obama that burned through materials, money, manpower and will
5. The fear that we've awoken as a people and with the Chinese economic problems and the strong economic war of Trump, we will destroy them economically through closing our markets to them and moving all critical manufacturing back home

They've moved against Hong Kong and will absorb it and if they judge the USA weak enough will move on Taiwan. Like said earlier, their playing the long game and depending on the American tendency to be more focused on personal pleasures and becoming weaker each and every year, to allow them to reach their goals.

They are going to push every button, over reach all over the world and continue to undermine this country internally until we are no longer a threat and they are dominate in the world. When they judge it's time, they will act militarily even at the cost of 100 millions of their own people.
Yes
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
It must be understood that any such plans to invade Taiwanese territory by necessity would have to include the PLA striking US and allied forces and resources in the region so they can't interfere. That would include US based in Japan, Australia, South Korea, the US Pacific territories such as Guam and the state of Hawaii if not the Pacific coastal states. That in turn requires POTUS to act accordingly as well.

The Pooh and his clique are getting desperate. They've painted themselves into a corner domestically.
 
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danielboon

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Defense minister says Taiwan prepared for China attack
Yan Teh-fa says situation in Taiwan Strait 'increasingly grim' due to Beijing's military threats 5852

By Kelvin Chen, Taiwan News, Staff Writer2020/05/30 12:31[IMG alt="Minister of Defense Yen Teh-fa
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Minister of Defense Yen Teh-fa (CNA photo)
TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Minister of National Defense Yen Teh-fa (嚴德發) said on Friday (May 29) that since the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has never relinquished the threat of force against the island nation, the Ministry of Defense (MND) is preparing for the worst.Beijing authorities held a forum commemorating the 15th anniversary of the ratification of the “Anti-Secession Law” on Friday morning, CNA reported.

Li Zhanshu (栗戰書), a member of the CCP Politburo standing committee and chairman of the National People's Congress standing committee, gave a speech addressing anti-independence and reiterating the “one China principle” and the so-called “1992 consensus.” He also spoke about "peaceful reunification with Taiwan” and the “one country, two systems” framework.In response to the Beijing event, Yen said the CCP has never given up the use of military force against Taiwan, which has been its long-standing policy. The defense minister noted the CCP has already conducted eight military deterrence exercises since the beginning of this year.This is something that can be felt and seen, making the situation in the Taiwan Strait increasingly grim, Yen said. He added that Taiwan’s armed forces are cautious about evaluating political dynamics in the Taiwan Strait and will do a good job of protecting the nation.Surveillance and investigation shows the current situation is not unusual or special, Yen said. Nevertheless, he asserted, the armed forces are determined to hold fast to Taiwan’s sovereignty, democracy, and freedom and are prepared for war.https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/search?keyword=Ministry%20of%20National%20Defense
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/search?keyword=CCP
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3942047
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/search?keyword=Yen%20Teh-fa
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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It must be understood that any such plans to invade Taiwanese territory by necessity would have to include the PLA striking US and allied forces and resources in the region so they can't interfere. That would include US based in Japan, Australia, South Korea, the US Pacific territories such as Guam and the state of Hawaii if not the Pacific coastal states. That in turn requires POTUS to act accordingly as well.

The Pooh and his clique are getting desperate. They've painted themselves into a corner domestically.
That is the key right there.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The ROC is an independent nation, not PRC's 21st province as they have asserted time and time again.
If the ChiComs want another Quemoy incident, go for it. We helped the ROC then, and will certainly help them now.

If I were in Winnie the Xi's position I wouldn't want to tickle the ROC's tail. The ROC has been better at hiding their nukes than Israel has. And the ROC WILL use them to maintain their independence.
And I for one will be happy to see the ChiComs get their nation turned into fuzed green glass.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
That would not only be stupid for China to "try", it would be suicide. The US has five times the number of nukes that China has. They would become a glassed over parking lot in a matter of an hour or two.
There is a time when nukes will fly. If a nation fears that it is lost, then they will release their nukes and the world be damned.

Remember this old saying: BETTER DEAD THAN RED.

It is coming for it is inevitable.

Texican....
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Howdy, Folks!

This whole thing reads like something written by Putin.

- Mainland China goes to war with Taiwan

- Seeing an opportunity, India decides to get uppity

- The USA is dealing with COVID and Floyd Riots/Looting, so USA involvement will be minimal

Mainland China loses on both fronts, but everyone involved gets hurt, bad.

Then...Mother Russia waltzes into Mainland China and says, "Hi! Putin sent us - we're here to help."

Russia gets some really nice infrastructure with Mainland China, and proceeds to add India and Taiwan to its collection as they're in no shape to defend against "rebuilders."

All without Putin having to fire a single shot.

Peace and love,

Donald Shimoda
 

Tristan

Veteran Member

@Avalon.red
China threatens to invade Taiwan with fears of all-out War
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BY LLB REPORTER AT 1:02 PM MAY 30, 2020BUSINESS NEWS, POLITICS, WORLD NEWS
China has threatened to invade Taiwan and take back control by any means necessary, as China claims to be the legitimate successor.
Li Zuocheng, chief of the joint staff department declared in Beijing, “If the possibility for peaceful reunification is lost, the people’s armed forces will, with the whole nation, including the people of Taiwan, take all necessary steps to resolutely smash any separatist plots or actions.
“We do not promise to abandon the use of force and reserve the option to take all necessary measures, to stabilise and control the situation in the Taiwan Strait.”

In 1949 Taiwan has been separated from mainland China, after the nationalists lost the Chinese Civil War and were forced from the mainland.
The official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC) and the politics in Taiwan is split in two, with the pan green who want independence and pan blue who want unification with the mainland.
The Taiwanese President Tsai Ling-wen who favours independence will also cross the red for Beijing as General Li’s has called on China to use military force if Taiwan are set to or do declare independence.
The Taiwanese mainland affairs council said, “Taiwan’s people will neither choose dictatorship nor bow to violence.
“Force and unilateral decisions are not the way to resolve problems.”
Li Zhanshu, Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, echoed General Li’s sentiments, saying, “As long as there is a slightest chance of a peaceful resolution, we will put in hundred times the effort.
“We warn Taiwan’s pro-independence and separatist forces sternly, the path of Taiwan independence leads to a dead end; any challenge to this law will be severely punished.”

I wonder what toys the Taiwanese have tucked away "just in case"?

They are pretty technologicaly savvy, and have had decades to develop an in depth defense.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
If China attacked Taiwan there are really only 2 approaches.

1. Make every effort to make it localized and make every effort to prevent US from intervening. Requires swift overpowering victory and nuanced flexible plan to keep US out.

2. All out attack including attempt to Pearl Harbor US military assets in the region would likely include EMP attack on US and would US go nuc over Taiwan and localized military losses.

There are risks with either version but the biggest risk is to go small and still lose, what are the chances even with successful attack if you suffer massive losses including one or both of your aircraft carriers and you weren’t even fighting the US. Better from Xi side to go big and that would likely mean Pearl Harbor attacks on the US using EMP or nuc’s or both.

I don’t think a strike against Taiwan has a large chance of not including US strikes. If China feels so weak to move their plan against US up 10 years its likely go time.

Of course using coordination with Soro’s organizations to distract US internally would be helpful to the Chinese.
 

danielboon

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Taiwan in imminent danger of Chinese invasion: Harvard professor
US political scientist warns Taiwan’s push for independence may trigger Chinese military retaliation
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By Ching-Tse Cheng, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2020/06/01 15:39
Harvard political science professor Graham Allison.

Harvard political science professor Graham Allison. (AP photo)

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As tensions between the U.S. and China continue to escalate, Harvard University political science professor Graham Allison on Saturday (May 30) warned that Taiwan's tireless pursuit of its independence may result in Beijing's military retaliation.
During an interview with Voice of America, the political science guru pointed out that the U.S. opposition to the new Hong Kong national security law has enraged the Chinese government, which has been trying to shift the blame for its own mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic to the western superpower. He said it is likely that the Taiwanese government has considered taking advantage of the situation to pursue its independence agenda, but doing so is highly risky and could sacrifice the island nation's current sovereignty.
Allison noted that Beijing's introduction of the new security law shows the emptiness of its "one country, two systems" proposal and indicates that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has renounced its promise to respect Hong Kong's autonomy. As a result, he said the Taiwanese authorities would naturally adopt stronger measures to escape the CCP's control and protect the country's democracy.
However, Allison warned that the lack of international sanctions may lead Beijing into believing that it could overtake Hong Kong and Taiwan without consequences. He explained that the U.S. would then be forced to join the battle once Beijing's troops cross the Taiwan Strait, leading to catastrophic global warfare.
Allison emphasized that Taiwan is in a dangerous position and that the only reason it has not been attacked by Beijing is because of the CCP's uncertainty regarding the global community's response. He emphasized that how international leaders react to Beijing's tightening grip on Hong Kong would give a preview of Taiwan's future, reported Liberty Times.
 

danielboon

Has No Life - Lives on TB
2 American bombers spotted near Taiwan as US-China tensions rise
First B-1B bombers sighted near Taiwan since Trump announcement on Hong Kong
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By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2020/06/01 12:37
(Twitter, Golf9 map)

(Twitter, Golf9 map)

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Two B-1B bombers and two support tankers were spotted flying from Guam and nearing northeast Taiwan on Sunday (May 31).
On Sunday (May 31), Twitter user Golf9, who specializes in airband monitoring, radar spotting, and aircraft spotting, reported that two B-1B Lancers and two Boeing KC-135 Stratotankers had taken off from Andersen Air Force Base in Guam and flown into the East China Sea near the northeast corner of Taiwan. Taiwanese and Chinese authorities have yet to issue an official response to the patrol.
After refueling the bombers, the two tankers headed back to base in Guam. Meanwhile, the two Lancers turned northeast, flying over the Northern Pacific on a flightpath bound for Alaska.
The flights were the first since President Trump announced Friday (May 29) that the U.S. is ending Hong Kong's special trade status in response to China's new draconian security law directed at the territory. He also announced the U.S. withdrawal from the WHO, new restrictions on Chinese nationals affiliated with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) studying in the U.S., and an investigation into Chinese companies listed on U.S. financial markets.

Last heading reported by Golf9. (Twitter, Golf9 image)
 
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