WAR China Signals a Military Response to a Taiwan Visit by Pelosi

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Buick Electra said:
I think she's trying to escape ..... justice.
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She's off US soil now, so this Taiwan visit thing may be an elaborate way to escape the wrath of We the People, or members of her own party. Would be interesting to see any very recent movements of large amounts of assets and to where they were moved. Follow the money.
 
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The People's Republic of China has begun to send tanks and missile launchers to the Fujian region, near Taiwan, in view of Nancy Pelosi's possible visit to the island; the Asian Giant also carried out war tests in its territory a few hours ago
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Landing in Honolulu? Perhaps to change planes and create a diversion? Watching too many action movies, I guess. :-) Since the flight can't be tracked, it's a possibility.

If...and it's a big IF...a US plane encounters enemy fire, what then? Oh my... Then again, we may realize that there wouldn't be a lot of loss, other than the plane, of course.
 
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I am still courious if she will go to Taiwan. If she does not then that send all kinds of signals to China about our willingness to support Taiwan. Big game of chicken
 
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Any plane encountering fire is cassus belli and by definition likely results in subsequent loss of life.
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Nich1 said:
Landing in Honolulu? Perhaps to change planes and create a diversion? Watching too many action movies, I guess. :-) Since the flight can't be tracked, it's a possibility.

If...and it's a big IF...a US plane encounters enemy fire, what then? Oh my... Then again, we may realize that there wouldn't be a lot of loss, other than the plane, of course.
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Don't want to sound alarmist, but IMO it's notable that at this time of US-China tension, 3 of China's largest/newest roll-on/roll-off civilian ferries appear to be off their normal routes and are in or have moved south toward the Taiwan Strait. All 3 are associated with the PLA.

The first of these ferries is the ZHONG HUA FU XING. Built in 2019, it's owned by the Bohai Ferry Group (as are all 3 ferries), which is organized as the 8th Transport Group of the PRC Maritime Militia. It was used to transport tanks in a 2021 exercise.


Video shows ship packed with Chinese tanks for 'future battlefield' in Taiwan | Taiwan News | 2021-10-18 12:48:00 Hundreds of tanks, assault vehicles shown inside 'big belly' of civilian RORO ship | 2021-10-18 12:48:00 Video shows ship packed with Chinese tanks for 'future battlefield' in Taiwan | Taiwan News | 2021-10-18 12:48:00

@mentions AIS data shows that this ferry left the Bohai Gulf after a port visit to Tianjin (near where it loaded tanks in 2021) and is now transiting southbound toward the northern approaches to the Taiwan Strait. Its destination is Shantou, across the Strait from S Taiwan. Image

ZHONG HUA FU XING appears to normally operate on a route between Dalian and Yantai (across the Yellow Sea), so this is a significant departure from its normal operating pattern. Image

Next up: BO HAI MA ZHU, another large Bohai Ferry vessel, built in 2015. It appears to have also departed its normal route between Dalian and Yantai, and is now down at Qingdao. Its specific location at Qingdao is not the normal ferry landing, it looks like a commercial port. Image Image Image Image

The 3rd ferry of interest is BO HAI ZUAN ZHU, also operated by Bohai Ferry and built in 2015. It appears to have loaded in Tianjin & is now in the Strait, headed for Guangou—near Shantou on the southern end of the Strait. It also normally operates between Dalian and Yantai. Image Image Image

So, what does this all mean? First, I think it's highly likely that these ferries ARE engaged in some sort of operation for the PLA, as they're way off their normal routes at the same time. It could be part of a long-planned exercise, or perhaps a reaction to recent events. ‍♂

To be sure, these ferries alone cannot carry a large enough force to invade Taiwan itself, and the rest of China's ferries appear to be on their normal routes for now. But perhaps they could carry enough to assist in seizure of a smaller island. I guess we'll see...

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Zagdid

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Ragnar said:
I am still courious if she will go to Taiwan. If she does not then that send all kinds of signals to China about our willingness to support Taiwan. Big game of chicken
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She'll likely try to sneak in, fait accompli. Going to be a lot of seabirds burned by powerful Chinese radar sweeps. Wonder if they stole developed integrated radars.
 
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#China's Global Times Hu Xijin in response to reports that Pelosi has begun a trip to Asia, including Taiwan, threatens "severe punishment actions" on Taiwan, says "the unbearable consequences" will fall on Taiwan's leadership.
 
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Chinese State Media Threatens 'Counterattack' if Nancy Pelosi Visits Taiwan
Jason Lemon
By Jason Lemon On 7/30/22 at 12:59 PM EDT

China's state-run media issued strong warnings and threats on Friday regarding a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan during her trip to Asia, which she began this week.
Pelosi's official itinerary only includes confirmed visits to Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, and Singapore—all allies of the United States in the region. While there has been significant speculation and calls for the top House Democrat, who represents California, to visit Taiwan, a stop in the country is only a tentative possibility.
Tensions between the U.S. and China over Taiwan have been high for decades, with concern about a potential conflict ever in the background of the two superpowers routinely fraught relationship. Beijing claims Taiwan as part of its territory under the "one country, two systems" model, but the island nation has operated autonomously for decades and has a vibrant democracy, as opposed to China's authoritarian one-party system.

Chinese state-run media warned Friday of a "counterattack" if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, visits Taiwan during her trip to Asia. Above, Pelosi holds her weekly press conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. on Friday. SAUL LOEB/AFP via Getty Images
"U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has laid a mine where China-U.S. relations and the situation around the Taiwan Straits converge," an editorial on Friday by the Global Times, which is published by the ruling Chinese Communist Party, said.
The opinion article said that "one thing is certain: China will take strong measures to resolutely respond and counteract, and it will let the huge risk created by Pelosi have an impact on herself. This is not only a firm and clear attitude, but will certainly be accompanied by a strong and concrete course of action plan."

Fighter jets and missiles could even be deployed to prevent Pelosi from landing, according to the state-run media outlet.
"If needed, we could also delimit missile test areas and conduct ballistic tests. During the sensitive period, the People's Liberation Army will monitor Pelosi's plane in a timely manner. If it is found flying toward our airspace, the PLA fighter jets could warn, follow, intercept, electronically interfere, force a landing, or drive it back. In this process, any consequences may occur, and the responsibility rests entirely with the U.S.," the editorial warned.
The article continued: "Some people may say, isn't this a move to trigger a war with the U.S? In this regard, people can refer to China's principles and positions in the trade war: not wanting a trade war, not being afraid of one, and having to fight one when necessary."
The Global Times urged Beijing to "raise the risk of Pelosi's 'performance' through the visit, greatly increase the cost of her performance, and boost the price she has to pay."
Chinese President Xi Jinping previously issued a warning to President Joe Biden regarding Taiwan in a Thursday phone call. "Public opinion shall not be violated, and if you play with fire you get burned. I hope the U.S. side can see this clearly," Xi said, according to Chinese reports.
Other Chinese state-run media outlets also circulated former President Donald Trump's criticism of Pelosi related to China.
"The China mess is the last thing she should be involved in—She will only make it worse," Trump wrote on his social media platform Truth Social on Friday. "Everything she touches," the former president wrote, "turns to Chaos, Disruption, and 'Crap.'"
Newsweek reached out to Pelosi's press representatives for comment.

Pelosi Receives Bipartisan Support to Visit Taiwan
Democratic and Republican lawmakers alike have urged Pelosi to visit Taiwan, as support for a strong stance against China's authoritarianism enjoys bipartisan support in Congress.
"If she doesn't go now, she's handed China sort of a victory of sorts," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said Tuesday.
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, also said Pelosi should visit the island nation, adding that he'd "love to do it as speaker." McCarthy is optimistic that the GOP will retake control of the House in the upcoming November midterm, which could propel him to become speaker.

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Chinese State Media Threatens 'Counterattack' if Nancy Pelosi Visits Taiwan

The Global Times editorial warned Friday that "any consequences may occur, and the responsibility rests entirely with the U.S."
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This all smells sour, something is up.
Perhaps this is the excuse for China to hit Taiwan and shift from their domestic issues.
If this goes hot the implications, most likely, will be horrific.
Bad bad bad... the US is on the edge and ready to fall in every category.
Hope all this ends up being is bluster and posturing.
 
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Can you imagine the audacity of piglouie.
I’ll bet that Piglouie isn’t on the plane.
If she is, and they shoot her down. I think sending red roses and a bottle of the best Champlain to the Chinese leader, would be on order.
 
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So...China's Xi & Russia's Putin are getting along better than ever. They have each other's back on "sovereignty and security" matters. If China supports Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, would Russia support China if Beijing attacks Taiwan?
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Hundreds of "retired" special forces soldiers from #China have arrived in Eastern #Ukraine and signed up to join the #Russia-backed separatist militias of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics.
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We support China's “one China” policy when it comes to Taiwan - Lavrov
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Islamic Republic of Iran declares its support for the People's Republic of China as tensions around the Taiwan Strait begin to escalate

Raisi says to Xi: Iran fully supports "one China" policy against "destructive" US unilateralism
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CCTV made public for first time the images of the announced DF-17 medium-range ballistic missile launch with the hypersonic glide vehicle
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The Chinese Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN said that "no one should underestimate the determination and ability of more than 1.4 billion Chinese to defend their national sovereignty and territorial integrity"
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CCP promises dead-end or bloodbath for #ShinzoAbe as he dared to "talk nonsense on #Taiwan Issue". In terms of "Militarism", the plot was set long ago. Watch: Unifying Taiwan Begins with #Senkakus, under the Banner of Fighting #Japanese Neo-Militarism.

He's now been assassinated.
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Last time #CCP threatened #ShinzoAbe with "a dead end", & #Abe died.

Now #CCP is threatening #Taiwan with a "dead end"...and 23 M Taiwanese are "meat bombs and hostages" according to #MaXiaoguang, CCP's director of the information bureau at the Taiwan Affairs Office in #Beijing

China Now Threatening the US must take/accept 'all consequences' if Pelosi visits Taiwan.
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jward

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Zactly. I'm no one's idea o' a nervous nellie or boo-hoo-woo fanatic, but there's something about the gestalt taking shape that has me feeling a wee bit like the proverbial long tail cat in midst o' a room full o' rockers.
..SPAM on lock down is the cherry on top... Then again, I had some very sweet cantalope at brunch, perhaps its just the unusual amount of sugar in my system :: shrug ::

Panner said:
And now it comes out that Biden has covid again and will isolate. Probably off to a bunker somewhere. There sure is a lot happening again. It would be nice to know where the ho VP is hanging out.
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Melodi

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I don't know what is going on, but I am pretty darn certain that Nancy isn't doing this on "her own," and Biden or White House attempts to say otherwise are likely so they can claim non-involvement when/if this all goes pear-shaped (as they say on this side of the water).

Either this is an intentional attempt to provoke a war, or there is some goal here I can't figure out, but this game is insanely dangerous, or perhaps just freaking insane.
 
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