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jward

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China Signals a Military Response to a Taiwan Visit by Pelosi


China is warning the U.S. not to allow House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to proceed with a trip to Taiwan she has reportedly planned for next month, even signaling “military but also strategic” consequences for the island nation over which Beijing is becoming increasingly confrontational.

Though the California Democrat herself has not confirmed the trip, the Financial Times reported Pelosi’s plans citing several anonymous officials. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian blasted the report on Tuesday, telling reporters that Beijing perceives it as a “serious violation” of the collection of diplomatic agreements that govern U.S.-China relations toward Taiwan.
“China urged the U.S. to not arrange the visit and stop official exchanges, stop creating tensions across the Taiwan Straits, and take concrete actions to fulfill the U.S. commitment of 'not supporting Taiwan secessionism,’” Zhao warned. “If the U.S. insists on going its own way, China will take firm and forceful measures to firmly safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity. The U.S. must bear all the consequence of the visit.”
The fiery exchange comes at a time of perhaps unprecedented threats against the island nation, which war planners at the Pentagon refer to as “Fortress Taiwan.” Several U.S. officials believe China has become emboldened by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the relative restraint of the subsequent Western response, which now informs Beijing’s own ambitions for a similar territorial land-grab.

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China signaled on Tuesday that Pelosi’s reported plans require as much of a diplomatic response as a military one, using combative rhetoric to describe how it might respond to the perceived provocation.
Local analysts cited by the Global Times – the English-language newspaper aligned with the Chinese Communist Party – said the trip would represent “an intentional provocation by the U.S. side” made all the more egregious by the Biden administration’s plans for sending $108 million in new arms shipments to Taiwan.

If the U.S. breaks through the diplomatic “guardrails” that govern Taiwan policy – as Pelosi’s trip would do – “we will see the China-US relations fall off a cliff, for sure,” Lü Xiang with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences told the outlet.
Though not a direct mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party, several current and former U.S. officials and analysts believe the content the Global Times produces aligns with the party’s intentions and that it frequently publishes what party officials chose not to say publicly themselves.

Hu Xijin, a commentator and former editor for the paper, said the People’s Liberation Army or PLA – the name for China’s entire military – should deploy an aircraft carrier and fly fighter jets through airspace Taiwan claims as its own in response to a trip from Pelosi, as Beijing’s military has done in following prior perceived slights.
“This would make a precedent with a much greater milestone meaning than Pelosi's visit,” Hu said. “We must be fully prepared for an all-out military confrontation.”
“If the Taiwan military dares to open fire against PLA aircraft, then Taiwan military aircraft would be shot down and Taiwan military bases will be destroyed,” he added. “So if the U.S. and Taiwan authorities want all-out war, then the time for Taiwan liberation will come.”

Pelosi had plans to lead a bipartisan delegation to Taiwan in April but scuttled the plans at the last minute after testing positive for COVID-19. Chinese officials in Beijing and Washington expressed similar outrage at that time. The analysts the Global Times cited on Tuesday suggested Pelosi canceled for ulterior reasons, citing a “series of diplomatic and military moves” that “meant the crisis was avoided in April.”

She would be the first House speaker to visit the island since Newt Gingrich in 1997 at a time when U.S. policy centered on bringing China into the global marketplace with designs on encouraging it to democratize.
Though Taiwan is not officially an ally of the U.S., the two countries have signed agreements ensuring U.S. support to bolster its defenses against outside threats.

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jward

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Housecarl

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China is not concerned. China owns Biden, and most of the Congress !

But would they "own" a CoG "administration"?

Another question is whether the CCP is actually ready now to put up or shut up? If they actually aren't but are forced to play that card, though the results would be very expensive to all the parties involved, I don't think CCP continuity planning is as up to the task as that of the US, particularly if the current US administration got decimated by one manner or another.

This is of course looking at the worse possible scenarios that I pray never come to pass. Fallout, bioweapons and poisonous chemicals are definitely not your friend.
 
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Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
I hope she goes
She's a spineless weasel, she won't go. Lots of rumors circulating that Taiwan has the same type of bio labs as Ukraine and the DNC is neck deep in it, My guess would be she's trying to protect her kid who has numerous ties to Hunter Bidens consultant businesses.
 

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Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
China Signals a Military Response to a Taiwan Visit by Pelosi


China is warning the U.S. not to allow House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to proceed with a trip to Taiwan she has reportedly planned for next month, even signaling “military but also strategic” consequences for the island nation over which Beijing is becoming increasingly confrontational.
We know its coming but if PRC took Pelosi out . .......
 

Housecarl

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We know its coming but if PRC took Pelosi out . .......

I think that there are those in the CCP who may not but instead are basing their moves upon only the last 18 months.

That all the chatter is saying that Xi is getting a third term gives me the feeling that there could be some front loading going on and an official visit to Taipei instead of a kowtow junket to Beijing is perplexing them.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
As much as I have "issues" with the Speaker and her party, I don't want her being a casus belli. Instead I want her and them to face the music here both legally and politically.
Waiting for her to be brought to justice is naive.
They have had plenty of time to do it
It is not going to happen.
You have to take what you can get.
A war with China is coming anyway . . .
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I think that there are those in the CCP who may not but instead are basing their moves upon only the last 18 months.

That all the chatter is saying that Xi is getting a third term gives me the feeling that there could be some front loading going on and an official visit to Taipei instead of a kowtow junket to Beijing is perplexing them.
I thought he was appointed "President for Life". .....
 

NoDandy

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As much as I have "issues" with the Speaker and her party, I don't want her being a casus belli. Instead I want her and them to face the music here both legally and politically.
As much as I understand what you say. As to her & them facing the music here, legally & politically, that would be nice, but I have no faith we will ever see that. That crowd is too well connected, and protected.
:ld:
 

Housecarl

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As much as I understand what you say. As to her & them facing the music here, legally & politically, that would be nice, but I have no faith we will ever see that. That crowd is too well connected, and protected.
:ld:

That's the outcome I'd like to see. It's not the one I expect to see.
 

jward

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Pelosi says military afraid China will shoot down plane over Taiwan
Reports say US house speaker could visit Taiwan in August

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By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2022/07/22 11:22



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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday (July 21) refused to confirm or deny a reported trip to Taiwan, but indicated the U.S. military was concerned that her plane "would get shot down" by Chinese forces as it neared Taiwan airspace.

The Financial Times on Tuesday (July 19) cited six sources saying Pelosi will head a delegation that will visit Taiwan in August. When asked on Wednesday (July 20) by the media at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland to comment on Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, Biden said, "Well, I think that the military thinks it’s not a good idea right now," reported AP.

At Pelosi's weekly press conference on Thursday, a reporter asked her to respond to Biden's comment that the military does not believe it is a good idea to visit Taiwan at this time and whether that concern would deter her from visiting the country. Pelosi responded by emphasizing that she never discusses her travel plans in advance as it is a "security issue" and quipped, "You never even hear me say if I'm going to London."

When asked what the U.S. can do to deter China from attacking Taiwan, Pelosi laughed and said that it is a "very major issue" and stressed that it is important to show support for Taiwan. She added, "None of us have ever said that we are for independence when it comes to Taiwan. That's up to Taiwan to decide."

Addressing military concerns over her potential trip to Taiwan, Pelosi said, "I think what the president was saying is maybe the military was afraid our plane would get shot down, or something like that, by the Chinese." She then qualified her answer by saying, "I don't know exactly. I didn't see it. I didn't hear it."

Pelosi further backed away from her comment about the potential threat to her flight by saying, "You're telling me, and I've heard it anecdotally, but I haven't heard it from the president."

If Pelosi's trip takes place as reported, this would mark the first time a House speaker has visited Taiwan since Newt Gingrich's 1997 meeting with former President Lee Teng-hui (李登輝) in Taipei. Pelosi reportedly had originally planned to visit Taiwan in April, but the trip was canceled at the last minute after she was diagnosed with COVID.

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jward

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China may declare no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of Nancy Pelosi's visit

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip

Topics Joe Biden | Nancy Pelosi | Taiwan

By IANS | Washington | Last Updated at July 22 2022 15:14 IST


Nancy Pelosi (Photo: Reuters)

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip, potentially raising tensions even further in the region, CNN reported.
China could also respond by flying fighter jets further into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone, which could trigger a response from Taiwan and the US, the official added. They did not detail what a possible response would entail, CNN reported.
China has sent warplanes into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone identification zone many times in recent months, an act which does not violate any international law but which usually results in Taiwan taking precautionary defensive measures, including sometimes scrambling its fighter jets.

Chinese planes have not entered the island's territorial airspace -- the area extending 12 nautical miles from its coastline.
The State Department has called on China to cease its intimidation of Taiwan.
Pelosi has been planning a trip to Taiwan in the coming weeks, according to three sources familiar with the planning process, CNN reported.
While other members of Congress and former US officials have visited Taiwan this year, Pelosi would be the highest-ranking US lawmaker to visit Taiwan in 25 years. Then Speaker Newt Gingrich travelled to Taiwan in 1997.
--IANS
 

Housecarl

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China may declare no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of Nancy Pelosi's visit

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip

Topics Joe Biden | Nancy Pelosi | Taiwan

By IANS | Washington | Last Updated at July 22 2022 15:14 IST


Nancy Pelosi (Photo: Reuters)

The Biden administration officials are concerned that China could seek to declare a no-fly zone over Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as an effort to upend the trip, potentially raising tensions even further in the region, CNN reported.
China could also respond by flying fighter jets further into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone, which could trigger a response from Taiwan and the US, the official added. They did not detail what a possible response would entail, CNN reported.
China has sent warplanes into Taiwan's self-declared air defence zone identification zone many times in recent months, an act which does not violate any international law but which usually results in Taiwan taking precautionary defensive measures, including sometimes scrambling its fighter jets.

Chinese planes have not entered the island's territorial airspace -- the area extending 12 nautical miles from its coastline.
The State Department has called on China to cease its intimidation of Taiwan.
Pelosi has been planning a trip to Taiwan in the coming weeks, according to three sources familiar with the planning process, CNN reported.
While other members of Congress and former US officials have visited Taiwan this year, Pelosi would be the highest-ranking US lawmaker to visit Taiwan in 25 years. Then Speaker Newt Gingrich travelled to Taiwan in 1997.
--IANS

This is slowly turning into a game of nuclear chicken, one we can't let the CCP "win".

Just for a reference, an Ohio SSBN with fully loaded MIRV buses can "service" 288 targets. Likely as not between the arms reduction treaties and "contingency load outs", it would be fewer than that number.
 

Dozdoats

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I vote for a TOT...
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Time On Target | Military Wiki | Fandom

Time On Target
(TOT) is the military co-ordination of artillery fire by many weapons so that all the munitions arrive at the target at precisely the same time. The military standard is plus or minus three seconds from the prescribed time of impact. In terms of place, the historical standard was for the impact to occur within one circular error probable (CEP) of the designated target. CEP is the area on and around the target where most of the rounds will impact and therefore cause the maximum damage. The CEP depends on the caliber of the weapon, with larger caliber munitions having greater CEPs or greater damage on the target area. With the advent of "smart" munitions and more accurate firing technology, CEP is now less of a factor in the target area.

Origins
The theory of TOT was first developed by the US Army shortly before World War II to help improve the effectiveness of artillery firepower, but the levels of communication and co-ordination required to achieve it were not reliably established until after WWII[citation needed]

It had been found during World War I that most of the casualties in an artillery bombardment occur within the first few seconds. During those first few seconds, troops may be in the open and may not be prone. After that, enemy troops have gone prone and/or sought cover. This dramatically lessens the casualties from shrapnel or high explosive blast. World War II Allied artillery units were often trained to fire their guns in a precise order, so that all shells would hit a target at the same time, delivering the maximum possible damage.
 

energy_wave

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Shooting down a US plane over Taiwan would be an act of war. Maybe that's Pelosi's plan. Soros wants a regime change in China, remember?
 
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