China should kidnap her and hold her for ransom and recoup some of the Biden bribes/or insider trading $ from her family. Better yet the government could stand on the no ransom paid policy. If all of this failed China would probably inflict her back on us anyway.
WAR China Signals a Military Response to a Taiwan Visit by Pelosi
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In phone talks, Xi warns Biden not to ‘play with fire’ on Taiwan
AFP
July 28, 2022 12:38 pm
President Joe Biden and Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping held “candid” phone talks on Thursday, with Xi warning the US leader not to “play with fire” on Taiwan, according to Chinese state media.
The virtual summit lasting over two hours took place as Beijing and Washington increasingly risk open conflict over the self-ruling island, which China considers part of its territory.
“Those who play with fire will eventually get burned,” Xi was quoted as telling Biden in reference to Taiwan, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency — using the same language he had employed when they spoke last November.
“I hope the US side fully understand that,” Xi told Biden.
“The position of the Chinese government and people on the Taiwan issue is consistent,'” Xi was quoted as saying. “It is the firm will of the over 1.4 billion Chinese people to firmly safeguard China’s national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
While this was Biden’s fifth talk with Xi since becoming president a year and a half ago, it’s getting hard to mask deepening mistrust between the two countries amid a trade war and tensions over Taiwan.
The latest flashpoint is a possible trip by Biden ally and speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, to the island, which has its own distinct democratic government.
White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby had said “tensions over China’s aggressive, coercive behavior in the Indo-Pacific” would be high on the agenda — using the US administration’s term for the Asia-Pacific region.
Although US officials frequently visit Taiwan, separated by a narrow strip of water from the Chinese mainland, Beijing considers a Pelosi trip as a major provocation. She’s second in line to the US presidency and given her position may travel with military transport.
Washington will “bear the consequences” if the trip, which Pelosi has yet to confirm, goes ahead, China warned Wednesday.
General Mark Milley, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, told reporters that if Pelosi asks “for military support, we will do what is necessary to ensure a safe, safe conduct of their business.”
And the dispute around Pelosi is the tip of an iceberg, with US officials fearing that Xi is mulling use of force to impose control over democratic Taiwan.
Once considered unlikely, an invasion, or lesser form of military action, is increasingly seen by China watchers as possible — perhaps even timed to boost Xi’s prestige when he moves later this year into a third term.
Biden’s contradictory comments on whether the United States would defend Taiwan — he said in May that it would, before the White House insisted there was no change in the hands-off “strategic ambiguity” policy — have not helped the tension.
– No face-to-face –
Biden prides himself on a close relationship with Xi going back years but — in large part due to Covid travel restrictions — the two have yet to meet face-to-face since he took office.
According to the White House, Biden’s chief goal is to establish “guardrails” for the two superpowers.
This is meant to ensure that while they sharply disagree on democracy, and are increasingly rivals on the geopolitical stage, they can avoid open conflict.
“He wants to make sure that the lines of communication with President Xi on all the issues, whether they’re issues again that we agree on or issues where we have significant difficulty with — that they can still pick up the phone and talk to one another candidly,” Kirby said.
Where to place the guardrails, however, is challenging amid so many unresolved disputes, including a simmering trade war begun under Donald Trump’s presidency.
Asked whether Biden could lift some of the 25 percent import duties placed on billions of dollars of Chinese products by Trump, Kirby said there was still no decision.
“We do believe… that the tariffs that were put in place by his predecessor were poorly designed. We believe that they’ve increased costs for American families and small businesses, as well as ranchers. And that’s, you know, without actually addressing some of China’s harmful trade practices,” Kirby said.
But “I don’t have any decision to speak to with respect to tariffs by the president. He’s working this out.”
insiderpaper.com
AFP
July 28, 2022 12:38 pm
President Joe Biden and Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping held “candid” phone talks on Thursday, with Xi warning the US leader not to “play with fire” on Taiwan, according to Chinese state media.
The virtual summit lasting over two hours took place as Beijing and Washington increasingly risk open conflict over the self-ruling island, which China considers part of its territory.
“Those who play with fire will eventually get burned,” Xi was quoted as telling Biden in reference to Taiwan, according to the state-run Xinhua news agency — using the same language he had employed when they spoke last November.
“I hope the US side fully understand that,” Xi told Biden.
“The position of the Chinese government and people on the Taiwan issue is consistent,'” Xi was quoted as saying. “It is the firm will of the over 1.4 billion Chinese people to firmly safeguard China’s national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
While this was Biden’s fifth talk with Xi since becoming president a year and a half ago, it’s getting hard to mask deepening mistrust between the two countries amid a trade war and tensions over Taiwan.
The latest flashpoint is a possible trip by Biden ally and speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, to the island, which has its own distinct democratic government.
White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby had said “tensions over China’s aggressive, coercive behavior in the Indo-Pacific” would be high on the agenda — using the US administration’s term for the Asia-Pacific region.
Although US officials frequently visit Taiwan, separated by a narrow strip of water from the Chinese mainland, Beijing considers a Pelosi trip as a major provocation. She’s second in line to the US presidency and given her position may travel with military transport.
Washington will “bear the consequences” if the trip, which Pelosi has yet to confirm, goes ahead, China warned Wednesday.
General Mark Milley, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, told reporters that if Pelosi asks “for military support, we will do what is necessary to ensure a safe, safe conduct of their business.”
And the dispute around Pelosi is the tip of an iceberg, with US officials fearing that Xi is mulling use of force to impose control over democratic Taiwan.
Once considered unlikely, an invasion, or lesser form of military action, is increasingly seen by China watchers as possible — perhaps even timed to boost Xi’s prestige when he moves later this year into a third term.
Biden’s contradictory comments on whether the United States would defend Taiwan — he said in May that it would, before the White House insisted there was no change in the hands-off “strategic ambiguity” policy — have not helped the tension.
– No face-to-face –
Biden prides himself on a close relationship with Xi going back years but — in large part due to Covid travel restrictions — the two have yet to meet face-to-face since he took office.
According to the White House, Biden’s chief goal is to establish “guardrails” for the two superpowers.
This is meant to ensure that while they sharply disagree on democracy, and are increasingly rivals on the geopolitical stage, they can avoid open conflict.
“He wants to make sure that the lines of communication with President Xi on all the issues, whether they’re issues again that we agree on or issues where we have significant difficulty with — that they can still pick up the phone and talk to one another candidly,” Kirby said.
Where to place the guardrails, however, is challenging amid so many unresolved disputes, including a simmering trade war begun under Donald Trump’s presidency.
Asked whether Biden could lift some of the 25 percent import duties placed on billions of dollars of Chinese products by Trump, Kirby said there was still no decision.
“We do believe… that the tariffs that were put in place by his predecessor were poorly designed. We believe that they’ve increased costs for American families and small businesses, as well as ranchers. And that’s, you know, without actually addressing some of China’s harmful trade practices,” Kirby said.
But “I don’t have any decision to speak to with respect to tariffs by the president. He’s working this out.”
Xi warns Biden not to 'play with fire' over Taiwan
Chinese President Xi Jinping warned his US counterpart Joe Biden not to "play with fire" over the self-ruled island of Taiwan during a lengthy phone call
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vector7
Dot Collector
BIDEN TOLD XI US DOESN'T BACK TAIWAN INDEPENDENCE: GLOBAL TIMES
View: https://twitter.com/vppollo/status/1552686552639234049?t=N7b04dtFnEMQXWaryaI3Iw&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/vppollo/status/1552686552639234049?t=N7b04dtFnEMQXWaryaI3Iw&s=19
vector7
Dot Collector
BREAKING REPORT: Chinese President Xi Jinping issues DIRECT THREAT to Biden on Taiwan, 'Play with fire and you WILL get burned'...
THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT JOE...
View: https://twitter.com/Kenneth40708724/status/1552756827779211266?t=WowQznx6Vise1X1hmuabsg&s=19
THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT JOE...
View: https://twitter.com/Kenneth40708724/status/1552756827779211266?t=WowQznx6Vise1X1hmuabsg&s=19
The number of "camps" behind the curtain are more than the MSM will ever admit.
This is not going to end well....
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Oh PISH POSH we need the tell the Chinese to piss up a rope! They're not going to do anything except threaten and strut until they are ready.....and they're not there...................................................yet!
We need to speak softly and carry a BIG STICK!! But, in the mean time not to give anything away. Right now we need to get all their friggen electronic chips out of our systems. Get their hands off our soil. Kick their spies out of our country and get our military put back together before it's too late. Because THEY are playing the long game and we're going to be the target of that game.
We need to speak softly and carry a BIG STICK!! But, in the mean time not to give anything away. Right now we need to get all their friggen electronic chips out of our systems. Get their hands off our soil. Kick their spies out of our country and get our military put back together before it's too late. Because THEY are playing the long game and we're going to be the target of that game.
The problem is that no one really believes that US will actually stomp anyone, and why should they based upon the last two years?
That means when it "goes there" it will end up being a lot more expensive in treasure and blood than it ever needed to be.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
Just an observation. RIMPAC is going on till August 4th. I doubt that the timing of Pelosi's trip and RIMPAC's international military exercises in the Pacific are an accident. Possible? Yes... but I doubt it.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
Just saying this is an awful lot of hardware to deploy for a visit of a little ol' lady. It doesn't even take into consideration subs that may or may not be visiting the neighborhood.
My concern is that Xi decides to do something unexpected to save face. I pray for our military who may be heading into harms way.
Fair use.
Yahoo News!
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
Cheryl Teh
Wed, July 27, 2022 at 10:33 PM·2 min read
The USS Ronald Reagan and its strike group are now operating the South China Sea. South Korean Defense Ministry via Getty Images
Speaking to Insider on Wednesday night, US Navy spokesperson Mark Langford confirmed that the vessels were on the move and operating in the South China Sea.
The aircraft carrier departed Singapore after making a scheduled port visit on July 22.
According to Langford, the carrier is "continuing normal, scheduled operations as part of her routine patrol in support of a free and open Indo-Pacific."
The news comes less than a day after a report emerged about the Pentagon's preparations to protect Speaker Nancy Pelosi with fighter jets and ships if she were to visit Taiwan.
Pelosi was scheduled to travel to the island in April. However, the trip was postponed after she tested positive for COVID-19.
Per The Financial Times, Pelosi is tentatively set to visit the island in August.
Meanwhile, China warned this week of a possible military response if Pelosi's trip took place.
"If the US insists on taking its own course, the Chinese military will never sit idly by, and it will definitely take strong actions to thwart any external force's interference," said Senior Colonel Tan Kefei, a spokesperson for China's Ministry of Defense.
If Pelosi does visit Taiwan, she would be the highest-ranking US official to visit the island since Republican Newt Gingrich made the trip in 1997.
The possibility of Pelosi visiting Taiwan comes at a tense time. China has grown more aggressive with Taiwan, flying more military aircraft near the island and even deploying an armada of sand dredgers to carve sand from the Taiwanese coast in June 2021.
The US generally regards Taiwan with "strategic ambiguity" — not recognizing its independence, while still providing it with weapons. CIA chief Bill Burns this month also commented that China is likely learning lessons from Russia's failures in Ukraine, and calibrating the "how and when" of a potential invasion of the island.
Meanwhile, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has stated repeatedly that China must reunify with Taiwan, which it considers a breakaway province.
While Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, she is scheduled to visit Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore
For now, Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, but other stops like Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore are being considered for her Asia tour next month, per Bloomberg.
Read the original article on Business Insider
Link to source:
news.yahoo.com
My concern is that Xi decides to do something unexpected to save face. I pray for our military who may be heading into harms way.
Fair use.
Yahoo News!
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
Cheryl Teh
Wed, July 27, 2022 at 10:33 PM·2 min read
The USS Ronald Reagan and its strike group are now operating the South China Sea. South Korean Defense Ministry via Getty Images
- A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are now operating in the South China Sea.
- The vessels were moved to the area amid tensions between China and the US.
- China has signaled that it may take military action if Speaker Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan.
Speaking to Insider on Wednesday night, US Navy spokesperson Mark Langford confirmed that the vessels were on the move and operating in the South China Sea.
The aircraft carrier departed Singapore after making a scheduled port visit on July 22.
According to Langford, the carrier is "continuing normal, scheduled operations as part of her routine patrol in support of a free and open Indo-Pacific."
The news comes less than a day after a report emerged about the Pentagon's preparations to protect Speaker Nancy Pelosi with fighter jets and ships if she were to visit Taiwan.
Pelosi was scheduled to travel to the island in April. However, the trip was postponed after she tested positive for COVID-19.
Per The Financial Times, Pelosi is tentatively set to visit the island in August.
Meanwhile, China warned this week of a possible military response if Pelosi's trip took place.
"If the US insists on taking its own course, the Chinese military will never sit idly by, and it will definitely take strong actions to thwart any external force's interference," said Senior Colonel Tan Kefei, a spokesperson for China's Ministry of Defense.
If Pelosi does visit Taiwan, she would be the highest-ranking US official to visit the island since Republican Newt Gingrich made the trip in 1997.
The possibility of Pelosi visiting Taiwan comes at a tense time. China has grown more aggressive with Taiwan, flying more military aircraft near the island and even deploying an armada of sand dredgers to carve sand from the Taiwanese coast in June 2021.
The US generally regards Taiwan with "strategic ambiguity" — not recognizing its independence, while still providing it with weapons. CIA chief Bill Burns this month also commented that China is likely learning lessons from Russia's failures in Ukraine, and calibrating the "how and when" of a potential invasion of the island.
Meanwhile, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has stated repeatedly that China must reunify with Taiwan, which it considers a breakaway province.
While Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, she is scheduled to visit Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore
For now, Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, but other stops like Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore are being considered for her Asia tour next month, per Bloomberg.
Read the original article on Business Insider
Link to source:
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
China has signaled that it may respond militarily if Pelosi goes ahead with her Taiwan visit.
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energy_wave
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Daniel, the ram and the goat.
Just saying this is an awful lot of hardware to deploy for a visit of a little ol' lady. It doesn't even take into consideration subs that may or may not be visiting the neighborhood.
My concern is that Xi decides to do something unexpected to save face. I pray for our military who may be heading into harms way.
Fair use.
Yahoo News!
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
Cheryl Teh
Wed, July 27, 2022 at 10:33 PM·2 min read
The USS Ronald Reagan and its strike group are now operating the South China Sea. South Korean Defense Ministry via Getty Images
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are now in the South China Sea in what could potentially become a tense standoff in hotly contested waters near Taiwan.
- A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are now operating in the South China Sea.
- The vessels were moved to the area amid tensions between China and the US.
- China has signaled that it may take military action if Speaker Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan.
Speaking to Insider on Wednesday night, US Navy spokesperson Mark Langford confirmed that the vessels were on the move and operating in the South China Sea.
The aircraft carrier departed Singapore after making a scheduled port visit on July 22.
According to Langford, the carrier is "continuing normal, scheduled operations as part of her routine patrol in support of a free and open Indo-Pacific."
The news comes less than a day after a report emerged about the Pentagon's preparations to protect Speaker Nancy Pelosi with fighter jets and ships if she were to visit Taiwan.
Pelosi was scheduled to travel to the island in April. However, the trip was postponed after she tested positive for COVID-19.
Per The Financial Times, Pelosi is tentatively set to visit the island in August.
Meanwhile, China warned this week of a possible military response if Pelosi's trip took place.
"If the US insists on taking its own course, the Chinese military will never sit idly by, and it will definitely take strong actions to thwart any external force's interference," said Senior Colonel Tan Kefei, a spokesperson for China's Ministry of Defense.
If Pelosi does visit Taiwan, she would be the highest-ranking US official to visit the island since Republican Newt Gingrich made the trip in 1997.
The possibility of Pelosi visiting Taiwan comes at a tense time. China has grown more aggressive with Taiwan, flying more military aircraft near the island and even deploying an armada of sand dredgers to carve sand from the Taiwanese coast in June 2021.
The US generally regards Taiwan with "strategic ambiguity" — not recognizing its independence, while still providing it with weapons. CIA chief Bill Burns this month also commented that China is likely learning lessons from Russia's failures in Ukraine, and calibrating the "how and when" of a potential invasion of the island.
Meanwhile, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has stated repeatedly that China must reunify with Taiwan, which it considers a breakaway province.
While Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, she is scheduled to visit Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore
For now, Pelosi's Taiwan trip has not been confirmed, but other stops like Japan, Indonesia, and Singapore are being considered for her Asia tour next month, per Bloomberg.
Read the original article on Business Insider
Link to source:
A US aircraft carrier and its strike group are headed into the hotly contested waters around Taiwan ahead of a possible visit by Nancy Pelosi to the island
China has signaled that it may respond militarily if Pelosi goes ahead with her Taiwan visit.
The problem with "face saving moves" are that they're a lot more expensive that just standing down and resetting, particularly if one party is concerned with them and the other isn't.
If this goes stupid, and it was a close call with what happened recently with that RAAF P-8, it could make the event tempo of August 1914 look glacial.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
What if his response isn't military? There are other options and those are what I'm more concerned with.
True. There "diplomatic" moves are already pushing "kinetic" and with the supply chains as screwed up as they already are going the sanctions route is a double edged sword, particularly with the chickens coming home to roost in the Chinese banking industry.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
Have the dates been announced of when Pelosi will fly to Tiawan?
stop tyranny
Veteran Member
Hope she takes one of the many rinos with her to give the false impression it is bipartisan. liz cheney would be perfect for the job and no true republican would ever miss her.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
"Per The Financial Times, Pelosi is tentatively set to visit the island in August". - post #92
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
Thank you for responding! I knew it was August, I'm just very curious of the dates. Those dates could be very interesting days. I've searched, but nothing beyond August is mentioned.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
68 square miles to a cure!
We gave it up because aunt-tea-fah and BLM might get their knickers in a twist?
LOL! &SFW!
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okie-carbine
Veteran Member
I read that they won't mention the specific dates due to security concerns.
Pelosi going to Taiwan - there has to be a back story - not what is being pushed.
Her husband (and her) have Millions of investments with China - it is a major source of their income.
So WHY would she piss off China and risk their investments?
She only takes actions that benefit her - so this "Taiwan Visit" or threat of a visit has to somehow be related to their business dealings in China - IMHO - likely she is doing this to put pressure on China over some new contracts or other related business dealings - She would never bite the hand that is feeding her.
Follow the Money !!!!
Her husband (and her) have Millions of investments with China - it is a major source of their income.
So WHY would she piss off China and risk their investments?
She only takes actions that benefit her - so this "Taiwan Visit" or threat of a visit has to somehow be related to their business dealings in China - IMHO - likely she is doing this to put pressure on China over some new contracts or other related business dealings - She would never bite the hand that is feeding her.
Follow the Money !!!!
mzkitty
I give up.
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hell! I think they should shoot her down, even if she doesn’t go to Taiwan…
BadMedicine
Would *I* Lie???
Dunno why we'd have a bunch of carriers within about 30 seconds of chinas sunburn missiles unless poo-lookin MFer told corn pop where to put them for maximum shock an awe.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
I'm laying odds!
I got August 2nd noon until 3 PM...
Gentlewoman bet y'all. I ain't got a pot to piss in, nor a window to toss it out of.
I'm laying odds!
I got August 2nd noon until 3 PM...
Gentlewoman bet y'all. I ain't got a pot to piss in, nor a window to toss it out of.
You have to name the time zone. It's on the other side of the dateline so it's a different day than here, and we need to know if it's EDT, PDT, etc.?
I'm going to claim 1600 hours on August 1st, PDT.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
<sigh>
Ok....but just because I like you!
August 2nd 00:30 to 03:00
EST (eastern)
Ok....but just because I like you!
August 2nd 00:30 to 03:00
EST (eastern)
mzkitty
I give up.
China’s Army posts “Get ready for war!” message over US visit to Taiwan
By Joshua Manning • 29 July 2022 • 16:22
“Get ready for war!” read a message posted by China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) 80th Group over the US visit to Taiwan, as reported on Friday, July 29.
China’s Army’s war message over the potential US visit to Taiwan reportedly generated over 300,000 thumbs-up in just 12 hours, creating “high morale among Chinese soldiers” according to Global Times.
The message was posted on China’s social network Weibo, with pictures of the post since circulating on Twitter:
One user posted:
“
”Get ready for war!” Such a message appeared on the official account of the 80th Army of the People’s Liberation Army of China on the Weibo social network.”The post on China readying for war, comes after Nancy Pelosi, speaker for the United States House of Representatives, has enraged China after talks of a possible US visit to Taiwan, a move that would potentially recognise Taiwan as an independent sovereign state, and not as the Republic of China.
However, many politicians are concerned that now that the news of the hypothetical visit has spread, if the US does not send Pelosi, it will look like the nation has backed down in front of China.
Taiwan on the other hand is in the middle of its annual military preparation for Chinese invasion known as “The Han Kuang Exercise”, which started on Monday, July 25.
China’s Army posts “Get ready for war!” message over US visit to Taiwan
China’s Army’s war message over the potential US visit to Taiwan reportedly generated over 300,000 thumbs-up in just 12 hours, creating “high morale among Chinese soldiers” according to Global Times.
euroweeklynews.com
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I’d give the Chink pilot who down her a Medal….
danielboon
TB Fanatic
That sounds about right after all Sadam invaded Kuwait on that dayI'm laying odds!
I got August 2nd noon until 3 PM...
Gentlewoman bet y'all. I ain't got a pot to piss in, nor a window to toss it out of.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
I know....its my birthday.
Think I turned 18 or 19 the year we went to Kuwait.
This year I'm 50 so anything goes!
Someone, somewhere once said that GenX would be the first generation without war.
Huh...how'd that work out?
danielboon
TB Fanatic
my sister turns 50 on the 2nd as well