BRKG BREAKING - Notre Dame fire: Smoke seen billowing from cathedral in Paris

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Does anyone know how easy it would be for an arsonist to gain access to a place like this?

I've only been to Westminster in London...that seemed fairly well watched, though not airtight security...

Just reported on 106.7 that it started in the TRANSEPT--the area where the floor of the Cathedral forms a CROSS.

THE FLOOR area.

The area OPEN TO TOURISTS.


NOT the area where the scaffolding was where they were working on the roof.

May have been just a rumor since the "official" reports are it began on the roof---but wanted to report it anyway.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
As I said, it will be completely destroyed. Nothing will be left.

And I'm betting muzloids. The yellow vest protesters are still French, and still love their country and its heritage. They wouldn't have done it.

They very well could have done it, but here's betting that the media and the elites will hide that fact and blame it on anything else but the camel jockeys.
 

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Isn't the bulk of the structure, at least the interior, made of stone?

I imagine all the stained glass windows are almost certainly in grave danger...
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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“Camel jockeys” is a term of endearment compared to what they’ve become in the past 20. “Goat f’ers” is what I’d call them these days. And that’s the most positive thing I can think of to call them.
 

Broken Arrow

Heathen Pagan Witch
Wow, Shep just shut down the "official" on the phone when he was talking about the other churches that have been desecrated, and political correctness.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Isn't the bulk of the structure, at least the interior, made of stone?

I imagine all the stained glass windows are almost certainly in grave danger...

MAYBE external walls and architectural features but there was a LOT of wood above the ground in that building. Look at some of the pix of the roof and upper portions of the Cathedral. You can see the wooden structure outlined by (in) the flames.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Every mosque in the western world should be ablaze within 6 hours.

A replay of Kristallnacht? I don't think so. And heck, the church was under renovation and those century old dry timbers go up quickly. Could of been a guy welding and it got out of control. Gotta wait and see how it plays out.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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I can see there will be an all out war against muslims.

And we can all sing...


Non, rien de rien, non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien qu'on m'a fait, ni le mal
Tout ça m'est bien égal
Non, rien de rien, non, je ne regrette rien
C'est payé, balayé, oublié, je me fous du passé
Avec mes souvenirs j'ai allumé le feu
Mes chagrins, mes plaisirs
Je n'ai plus besoin d'eux
Balayé les amours avec leurs trémolos
Balayé pour toujours
Je reparts à zéro
Non, rien de rien, non, je ne regrette rien
Ni le bien qu'on m'a fait, ni le mal
Tout ça m'est bien égal
Non, rien de rien, non, je ne regrette rien
Car ma vie, car mes joies
Aujourd’hui ça commence avec toi


 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It sucks that such a historic structure burns.
But if this doesn't become the tipping point on goat humpers I don't think anything else could be worse to the average Frenchmen.
 

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pops88

Girls with Guns Member
Wow, Shep just shut down the "official" on the phone when he was talking about the other churches that have been desecrated, and political correctness.

That was epic! So glad I had it streaming online. So glad I didn't miss that. Unbelievable.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
We’ll never truly know who or what caused this horrible fire, but it will most likely be blamed on the yellow vests. May God be with them, because Macron will unleash hell.
 

David Nettleton

Veteran Member
Well, it's 800 year old kindling after all.


If this gets laid to the feet of the Gilletts Jaune they will get lynched.

If laid to the Muslims, we may see the 21st Century's first Geno-extirpation.......

I don't think the Muslims will ever get the blame for this night driver.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
“Camel jockeys” is a term of endearment compared to what they’ve become in the past 20. “Goat f’ers” is what I’d call them these days. And that’s the most positive thing I can think of to call them.

Oh I totally agree Dennis but since I'm just a guest here, I tried to keep it clean.

In my mind, the very worse thing you can call anybody in this world is still to good for these murderous satanic spawn.
 

rafter

Since 1999
That was epic! So glad I had it streaming online. So glad I didn't miss that. Unbelievable.

Yep..wouldn't let the guy get a word in.

Better up the security around all the historical churches in all countries. This could be just number 1.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
They very well could have done it, but here's betting that the media and the elites will hide that fact and blame it on anything else but the camel jockeys.

Shep on faux news wouldn't allow any conjecture about the cause just now. His panties went into a twist.

I fully support waiting for official reports on a cause. Denying the possibility of certain causes gives sad evidence to the condition of our world.
 

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A replay of Kristallnacht? I don't think so. And heck, the church was under renovation and those century old dry timbers go up quickly. Could of been a guy welding and it got out of control. Gotta wait and see how it plays out.

I can't imagine how any of those construction workers are feeling right now...

Though something this massive needs a detailed explanation.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
The IRREPLACEABLE organ that died today with the Cathedral:

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4 mins 26 secs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqX45DoJrRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=8e6LZi5ysbY

Other videos (can't get video upload function to work right now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=8e6LZi5ysbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=LWhaTNi0b-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=d3GFheJH3gk

The organ touched by the hands of Messiaen, Widor, Couperin---- :bwl:

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HISTORY of the NOTRE DAME CATHEDRAL ORGAN:

The Organ

* The medieval organ: 1403-1730

The history of organs in Notre-Dame began around 1330. The first instrument was located in a bird's nest located under a high window in the nave.

By 1400, it was decided to install a second instrument on a high and narrow stone gallery above the western portal while the old organ will still be used. This new organ was completed on October 25, 1403. A major restoration began in 1473 and would last 50 years. Many modifications to the instrument were carried out including the restoration of a large number of pipes. In 1609, in order to add a second manual keyboard, the pedalboard and its action were removed.

The instrument has three normal tonal structures and about 2000 pipes: a plenum, a flue chorus and a battery of reeds. A third manual keyboard is added in 1620 and a fourth one, in 1672. From this instrument, only twelve pipes are extant.

* The classical organ: 1730-1838

When, in 1730, it was finally decided to order a new organ, France was entering into the "Age of Enlightenment" and medieval woodworking was to disappear. The contract is awarded to François Thierry. The instrument was completely redesigned: the new keyboards have 50 notes, C1 to d5, and to the four classic manuals, a new one is added as third manual: Bombarde. The Grand-Orgue has a 32' Montre and a Plein Jeu on 4 octaves. The battery of reeds now includes a Bombarde and a second Trompette. Récit and Écho manuals are as usual. The pedal division is enlarged. The new large main organ case, in a Louis XV style not yet completely free of the rigidity of the "Great Age", is installed higher and partly hides the west rose window. This organ will be used for the next fifty years.

In 1783, François-Henri Clicquot intervenes. To make room in the Positif division, a new Louis XVI style organ case is built by Caillou. All the stops of this division are rebuilt except for the 8' Bourdon and the Cornet. A 16' Bourdon is added and a 8' Flute replaces the 4' Flute. In the Grand-Orgue division, almost all tin pipes are replaced without any tonal change. In order to have an 8' Flute, it was considered to uncap the Bourdon. New reeds replace the old ones. A Trompette is added in the Bombarde division. The Écho division is rebuilt according to Clicquot's principles: Flute, Bourdon, Trompette and Clairon. The pedal division is again enlarged. The organ case is enlarged up to the exterior walls with Louis XVI panels topped by large wooden palm trees.

During the Revolution, the organ was used for many festivities but, even it was threatened by revolutionnary decrees, the instrument only suffered from years of neglect as was the fate of many French organs during that period. Only monarchy-reminding ornamental elements and fleurs de lys located on the basement portion of the organ case were cut out.

In 1828, the general condition of the organ was not good at all. Soon after began the restoration work on the building itself by Lassus and Violet-le-Duc. Dust accumulated in the pipework, fatigue appeared in the difficult winding system, while rain and wind were coming in from the stained-glass windows being restored. These conditions lead to an intervention from Louis-Paul Dallery, the last Dallery organbuilder, who proposed a tune-up with simple modifications to the winding system.

* The symphonic organ

As the architectural restoration works used up all the available credits, Viollet-le-Duc ordered an instrument worthy of a cathedral but without luxuries and worthless research. All existing material should be reused as much as possible. The project, presented in 1862, called for "a first-class instrument (four manuals and pedal) large enough for the church".

Restoration work on the organ began in June 1864 under the supervision of Aristide Cavaillé-Coll. Two situations were deplorable: first, the Positif case had been removed by Viollet-le-Duc and second, the gallery would not be lowered. The large main organ case is brought forward in order to gain depth and to layout windchests on separate floors. All voices should produce a tutti where every sound can blend with each other, be powerful and fill the large church.

From these requirements, progressive mixtures and mutations up to VII were added throughout the manuals and introduced in order to ensure a close bond between the foundations stops and the reed stops and, at the same time, to add brightness. By choosing the use of separate wind and different pressures between tonal divisions and between the bass and treble in the same division, an ascending harmony was possible. In order to alleviate the mechanical action, he installed, like he had done at St. Sulpice, pneumatic lever machines developed by British organ builder Barker in 1839.

The Notre-Dame organ was first heard, on Christmas Day 1867, as part of the World Fair without being in the competition. The instrument was officially received, in February 1868, by an international commission.

In 1904, a restoration was carried out by Charles Mutin. Appointed in 1900, titular organist Louis Vierne asked for the Clarinette and the Dulciane from the Récit be replaced with an 8' Diapason, a 4' Octave and, a Fourniture IV. The harmonic lower notes from the Bombarde and Trompette in the Récit division were replaced with full-length pipes. It was the first neo-classical change.

In 1924, electric blowers are installed.

In 1932, Joseph Beuchet carried out a second restoration with modifications to the stop list: in the Pedal division, a 16' Violoncelle and a 8' Bourdon are added; in the Grand-Choeur division, an 8' Flute is added; in the Récit division, a Cymbel replaces the Nasard which is transferred to the Positif division replacing the Piccolo.

Under the supervision of Pierre Cochereau, in 1963, the following modifications were carried out by Jean Hermann and Robert Boisseau: the Pedal division now has 30 stops with the addition of an 11-stop Small Pedal division; creation of a 32' Plenum in the classical tradition leading to a new layout of the Plein Jeu on the five manuals; creation of a more powerful and more classic Reeds Grand Choeur; creation of a small 2-stop classic Récit; removal of the Barker machines, new console, new electric action, electronic combinations.

* Computer Contribution

In 1989, the Ministry of Culture decided to launch a complete restoration of the instrument including the modernization of the action. The contract was awarded, in 1990, to Jean-Loup Boisseau and his associate, Bertrand Cattiaux.

The restoration brought together two worlds which were, until then, complete strangers to one another: organ building (organ building firms Boisseau, Emeriau, Giroud) and computing (Synaptel). On one side, high-level workmanship in a country where the organ building heritage is very rich and where historic organ restoration policies, carried out by the State and the municipalities, allowed the training of internationally renowned organ builders. On the other side, the world of engineers, computer system integrators in aeronautics, astronautics or telecommunications industries.

Close to 900 wooden pipes were brush-cleaned, compressor-cleaned, repainted and restained; 7000 others were ultrasound-cleaned in a water bath; the Principals in the Grand-Orgue and Positif divisions received new tuning slots; 8' and 4' chamades were added in the Grand-Orgue division. Other accessories were also added.

The console and the transmissions were refurbished by Synaptel and everything is now under the digital control of seven computers. With this unique system, the organist can memorize, work and restore his performances. He can set the touch depth of manuals to correspond to the valve opening timing. He has access to a combination editing and generating software that will let him create, modify, memorize, on disks, a multitude of combinations. With the MIDI gateway, he can hear himself, after he has completed a performance, in order to evaluate his performance or his registration.

SUMMARY OF History
1402
an old organ is moved to the present location and inserted into a gothic organ-case
1730
the organ'case is replaced by the present LOUIS XVI one the organ is enhanced to 5 manuals and 46 stops many pipes kept from earlier centuries of which 12 in use today have been salvaged from previous centuries
1830
back to 4 manuals including an "expression" manual
1864 - 1867
enhanced and rebuilt by Cavaille-Coll 5 manuals and 86 stops among other players: Saint-Saens and Cesar Franck pneumatic assistance: 'Barker lever'
1900 - 1937
Louis Vierne was the organist 1932: partly electric/partly pneumatic action installed
1959
fully electrified: manuals and relays (excluding the Barker lever) but this old architecture was consisted of ... 700 kilometers of cables (yes, you are reading correctly !) problems of oxydation and ... unpredictable breakdowns
April 1990 - December 1992 (closeup)
computers and local area networks controlled


The Organists

Among the most famous titular organists, there are, along with their dates of tenure:
o Charles Raquet (1618-1640)
o Louis-Claude Dacquin (1755-1772)
o Armand-Louis Couperin (1760-1790)
o Louis Vierne (1900-1937)
o Léonce de Saint-Martin (1937-1954)
o Pierre Cochereau (1954-1984)

Since 1985, the titular organists are Olivier Latry, Philippe Lefebvre, and Jean-Pierre Leguay. (who is blind)



http://mypipeorganhobby.blogspot.com/2008/11/organ-notre-dame-paris.html
 

vestige

Deceased
I can see there will be an all out war against muslims.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

The news and Macron will say otherwise but we know it was ragheads responsible. They will blame it on construction or yellow vests. Wanna bet?

“Camel jockeys” is a term of endearment compared to what they’ve become in the past 20. “Goat f’ers” is what I’d call them these days. And that’s the most positive thing I can think of to call them.

You are being entirely too kind.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Shep on faux news wouldn't allow any conjecture about the cause just now. His panties went into a twist.

I fully support waiting for official reports on a cause. Denying the possibility of certain causes gives sad evidence to the condition of our world.

Since the "sister" and next-largest Church, St. Sulpice in Paris, ALSO was "mysteriously" set on fire ONE MONTH AGO (March 17) and the cause is STILL unknown--

I find it VERY HARD to not suspect the new majority "immigrant" population in Paris.........given their history (how long ago did that truck go careening down the streets of Paris?)
 

2redroses

Senior Member
According to some tweets, Macron said to let it burn.

:hof:
Ok, I'll say it, was this allowed to burn because of the secret underground tunnels and child torture chambers below? The cabal has burned structures before to hide this type of evidence. Seems so easy to blame the muslims; myfirst thought also. Sad loss of history...
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
The spire that collapsed was last restored about 1844, so that was not original to the building when it was first constructed in the 12th century. The biggest loss would be the stained glass windows, many of which do date back to the 13th century of maybe earlier.

Most of the fire seems to now be contained to the middle of the cathedral, so maybe they will be able to save the external structure and the two big towers at the end.
 

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Per live shots, I don't see as much smoke as before, but the interior could still be pretty hot. There's not much left on the upper portion to burn...
 

maric

Short but deadly
It's Easter. THINK about this

The Crown of Thorns at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

The relics of the Passion presented at Notre-Dame de Paris include a piece of the Cross along with the Holy Crown of Thorns, and of all the relics at the Notre Dame de Paris Cathedral, the Crown of Thorns is without a doubt the most precious and the most revered.

The Crown of Thorns has been the object of Christian prayer for more than sixteen centuries, and yet, even though there have been numerous studies along with historical and scientific research on this famous relic, the authenticity of it still cannot truly be certified.

You can find The Crown of Thorns housed at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, and is a circle of canes that are braided and held together by gold threads and the thorns were then attached to the braided circle, that measures 21cm in diameter.




Con't at link

https://www.eutouring.com/crown_of_thorns_notre_dame.html
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I remember sitting in that amazing cathedral and listening to the singing, just beautiful! Listened to about 20 minutes of a Latin mass, even though I don't speak Latin, but I wanted to enjoy it anyhow.
 
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