GOV/MIL 993 people now charged in Jan. 6th incident --- Indiana couple arrested.

Luddite

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OR gf was an AP.

When & how did they meet?

Probably not the time for such unlikely and low chance questions but they need ruled out at some future point...
 

bethshaya

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After watching that clip, it never occured to me that there were so many YOUNG die hard conservatives in the US. (/tongue in cheek). I always assumed that most conservatives were middle aged or older.

Something tells me all those people at the front were "assigned" to be there, and the smarter older folks were way in back mummering "stupid is as stupid does".
 

von Koehler

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Sadly, if we are being completely honest with ourselves, the plan of the WEF globalists is working.

No meaningful resistance so far.

The truckers (Canadian and American) protests fizzled out. The Dutch farmer protest fizzled out.

"Crash and Burn" is the most likely outcome.
 
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Vicki

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Hey Vicki! Something on my mind.

Was son's GF visited by the alpha agency too, since she was pushed into the bldg. along with your son? If not, WHY NOT?

Do you think the alpha agency offer her a deal in that if she could get your son to go to them they would drop charges on her?
She was visited last year as well and they told us then she had told them the same story as he did. That they were pushed in and didn't go any farther. Other then that, I don't know anything else about her now. She's engaged to be married last we heard.
 

AlfaMan

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He's being put in front of a Judge at 2pm today. I guess we'll see what happens. They just called me wanting to know what we owned and if we had any money for the court today.
Vicki,

WHAT? I know this is an older thread, but TODAY as in June 5, 2023?

Where did this happen and is he eligible for bail? What's with the girlfriend, what is AP? Sorry, I just walked in the door and sat down.
All those entrances have cameras on them. ALL of them-have the lawyer file motion for discovery for the video on the door he was pushed through. And there's not doubt he was pushed-that entire scene looking at the other videos posted looked like a gate crush situation.

I am sorry to see this happen; if there's anything I can do to help let me know.
 

Vicki

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Vicki,

WHAT? I know this is an older thread, but TODAY as in June 5, 2023?

Where did this happen and is he eligible for bail? What's with the girlfriend, what is AP? Sorry, I just walked in the door and sat down.
All those entrances have cameras on them. ALL of them-have the lawyer file motion for discovery for the video on the door he was pushed through. And there's not doubt he was pushed-that entire scene looking at the other videos posted looked like a gate crush situation.

I am sorry to see this happen; if there's anything I can do to help let me know.
He just got home. He was told he will get one year in prison, 5 years jail time on weekends and 5 years probation after that. Because he has Asperger's, they are not making him post bail but instead he is being told he will be going to the county health department and be drugged.

He said every single person that was in the photos are being arrested too. The pictures show him in the alcove of the entrance door (pushed in) with his girlfriend. They spun around, looked in one room that was being ransacked and walked out. That was it. They didn't go in any rooms or walk around at all. I have the copies of the pictures. He also said they are trying to take all of these cases to DC and he has to call them tomorrow and maybe every day after that, I can't remember exactly what he said there but if he doesn't do it, they will put him in prison right now. He has to go back for preliminary trial and then more. THIS is what the FED's are doing to us.

May they ALL rot in hell.
 

AlfaMan

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He just got home. He was told he will get one year in prison, 5 years jail time on weekends and 5 years probation after that. Because he has Asperger's, they are not making him post bail but instead he is being told he will be going to the county health department and be drugged.

He said every single person that was in the photos are being arrested too. The pictures show him in the alcove of the entrance door (pushed in) with his girlfriend. They spun around, looked in one room that was being ransacked and walked out. That was it. They didn't go in any rooms or walk around at all. I have the copies of the pictures. He also said they are trying to take all of these cases to DC and he has to call them tomorrow and maybe every day after that, I can't remember exactly what he said there but if he doesn't do it, they will put him in prison right now. He has to go back for preliminary trial and then more. THIS is what the FED's are doing to us.

May they ALL rot in hell.
No..............this should not be happening. At all.

I'm thinking out loud here. I'm not anything near a lawyer, just someone who tries to verbalize everything and work it out.

Told him his sentence up front? Early play to make the defendant stew in their own juices-they're going to toss him a deal. Probation most likely IF they're able to even convict.
Sending him to the health dept to get drugged? What? Has he issues or mental capacity issues; was he in special ed classes in school? Don't answer on here-if that is the case they have already run his background and are looking to head off any possible "out" a defense lawyer might take regarding sentencing/motivations/etc.

Did the feds mention any names as to who was in the pictures he's been photo IDed in? Are they offering any of that info? If not get a defense lawyer to find out who the folks are. If they were ransacking a room it's possible the people doing it were connected-a group, group of friends, etc. Find out and call them as witnesses-those folks can add to your son's defense. They can possibly coroborate they got pushed in-if they weren't ransacking this room they peeked into someone just standing there looking would have been noticed.

If he's having to check in daily it's a pre trial type of probation. Keeps tabs on your son, gets him used to being "watched" and makes him more compliant (and therefore more apt to be offered probation than prison time).

They want to do all of them in DC-it happened here and every crime in DC is run through federal courts. Try and keep the venue "out there" where you are (what area/state, anyway?) Out of DC might give him a jury more sympathetic than a DC trial, where everyone works for Comrade/Uncle Sam it seems. Beholden to the Yankee govt......

Laying out everything to him up front sounds like a ploy. Scare them with all the minutia; "it's easier to just plead guilty than take this mess to trial-plead guilty and we'll gve you probation". That's what it's sounding like to me. Betting the .gov case is weak at best.

And having to go back for a preliminary hearing says even more that the case is weak or more likely fabricated. Beware.

DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE. Do not say any more than is necessary. And ask questions. LOTS of questions. They're .gov; so you may not get straight answers. But don't give the .gov the impression you're blindly accepting what is going on.

And finally. Don't ever EVER EVER trust the yankee government. On any level. They are not your friends. They are not there to "help" you. They sure as hell ain't there to "help" your son. And they will twist anything they tell you or son to any way that helps their case or conviction.

As I said, I'm not a lawyer. I look at cars for a living. But living here in the swamp I have a pretty good idea how they operate. And anyone on TB2K who does have legal knowledge, PLEASE chime in. A member of our family is in trouble.
 

Southside

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He just got home. He was told he will get one year in prison, 5 years jail time on weekends and 5 years probation after that. Because he has Asperger's, they are not making him post bail but instead he is being told he will be going to the county health department and be drugged.

He said every single person that was in the photos are being arrested too. The pictures show him in the alcove of the entrance door (pushed in) with his girlfriend. They spun around, looked in one room that was being ransacked and walked out. That was it. They didn't go in any rooms or walk around at all. I have the copies of the pictures. He also said they are trying to take all of these cases to DC and he has to call them tomorrow and maybe every day after that, I can't remember exactly what he said there but if he doesn't do it, they will put him in prison right now. He has to go back for preliminary trial and then more. THIS is what the FED's are doing to us.

May they ALL rot in hell.
Remember. They can lie all they want.
You can't.
 

et2

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Remember the BLM and Antifa gangs destroying DC and other cities, shooting cops, beating whites, demanding your compliance when you sat at restaurants trying to enjoy a night out, burning government buildings and police stations, destroying federal landmarks, rioting and stealing from business, disturbing your sleep at night screaming Black Lives Matter , attacking the White House while DJT was there.

Until this day. Government officials and politicians encouraging them on.

These people were known and seen … instigating the “ insurrection”.

Not one is sitting in prison

What happened to the Capitol shooter… ohhhh … no charges


These are the same people running the alphabets S#it show.
 

Vicki

Girls With Guns Member
No..............this should not be happening. At all.

I'm thinking out loud here. I'm not anything near a lawyer, just someone who tries to verbalize everything and work it out.

Told him his sentence up front? Early play to make the defendant stew in their own juices-they're going to toss him a deal. Probation most likely IF they're able to even convict.
Sending him to the health dept to get drugged? What? Has he issues or mental capacity issues; was he in special ed classes in school? Don't answer on here-if that is the case they have already run his background and are looking to head off any possible "out" a defense lawyer might take regarding sentencing/motivations/etc.

Did the feds mention any names as to who was in the pictures he's been photo IDed in? Are they offering any of that info? If not get a defense lawyer to find out who the folks are. If they were ransacking a room it's possible the people doing it were connected-a group, group of friends, etc. Find out and call them as witnesses-those folks can add to your son's defense. They can possibly coroborate they got pushed in-if they weren't ransacking this room they peeked into someone just standing there looking would have been noticed.

If he's having to check in daily it's a pre trial type of probation. Keeps tabs on your son, gets him used to being "watched" and makes him more compliant (and therefore more apt to be offered probation than prison time).

They want to do all of them in DC-it happened here and every crime in DC is run through federal courts. Try and keep the venue "out there" where you are (what area/state, anyway?) Out of DC might give him a jury more sympathetic than a DC trial, where everyone works for Comrade/Uncle Sam it seems. Beholden to the Yankee govt......

Laying out everything to him up front sounds like a ploy. Scare them with all the minutia; "it's easier to just plead guilty than take this mess to trial-plead guilty and we'll gve you probation". That's what it's sounding like to me. Betting the .gov case is weak at best.

And having to go back for a preliminary hearing says even more that the case is weak or more likely fabricated. Beware.

DO NOT GIVE UP HOPE. Do not say any more than is necessary. And ask questions. LOTS of questions. They're .gov; so you may not get straight answers. But don't give the .gov the impression you're blindly accepting what is going on.

And finally. Don't ever EVER EVER trust the yankee government. On any level. They are not your friends. They are not there to "help" you. They sure as hell ain't there to "help" your son. And they will twist anything they tell you or son to any way that helps their case or conviction.

As I said, I'm not a lawyer. I look at cars for a living. But living here in the swamp I have a pretty good idea how they operate. And anyone on TB2K who does have legal knowledge, PLEASE chime in. A member of our family is in trouble.
I appreciate that AlfaMan. We just sat and looked through the paperwork they gave him. 11 pictures is their evidence. 2 of the pictures were of the kids outside, not in the building. Of the other 9 pictures only one is of my son and it shows him in the hallway after being shoved in and he was trying to leave immediately. It shows that. That is the only picture of him. In all the other 8 pictures we can easily see it's not him nor her. Totally different people. Different clothing and different hair.

You are correct in their case is weak.

Thank you for all the support. God knows we need it. They also made the pictures look like the hallway was huge when it was quite narrow. They cut off the door so you can't see the people shoving.
 

energy_wave

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I appreciate that AlfaMan. We just sat and looked through the paperwork they gave him. 11 pictures is their evidence. 2 of the pictures were of the kids outside, not in the building. Of the other 9 pictures only one is of my son and it shows him in the hallway after being shoved in and he was trying to leave immediately. It shows that. That is the only picture of him. In all the other 8 pictures we can easily see it's not him nor her. Totally different people. Different clothing and different hair.

You are correct in their case is weak.

Thank you for all the support. God knows we need it. They also made the pictures look like the hallway was huge when it was quite narrow. They cut off the door so you can't see the people shoving.

They are using fear tactics and good cop bad cop ploys. Make sure he never says anything to them unless his lawyer is there. If he admited he was inside, but pushed, he might have just admitted some form of guilt.
 

AlfaMan

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I appreciate that AlfaMan. We just sat and looked through the paperwork they gave him. 11 pictures is their evidence. 2 of the pictures were of the kids outside, not in the building. Of the other 9 pictures only one is of my son and it shows him in the hallway after being shoved in and he was trying to leave immediately. It shows that. That is the only picture of him. In all the other 8 pictures we can easily see it's not him nor her. Totally different people. Different clothing and different hair.

You are correct in their case is weak.

Thank you for all the support. God knows we need it. They also made the pictures look like the hallway was huge when it was quite narrow. They cut off the door so you can't see the people shoving.

They're basing a case (what is the exact charge?) on 11 pictures. Photographic evidence-is that it? Are there capitol trash police around to coroborate his presence? If they have pics it came off video. Motion for discovery on the video the pics were pulled off of. And the video used by the defense would show him being pushed in and trying to get back out. If they "don't have it" they're withholding evidence.

Are there any pictures of the girlfriend and are they still together? Wondering if she sold him out perhaps? If they're together sit them both down and interrogate them-seriously-in front of their defense lawyer. Get their stories and get their stories straight. And if she's a turncoat there's the source of the warrant.
Sounds like the .gov is shaking the tree hard to see what's left they can convict.

Hence the "boo game" they're running. Everyday Joe would fall for the game they're playing hook line and sinker. Prosecutor's tool box. Scare the innocent so they plead guilty. Use your rights. Get a lawyer. Utilize his knowledge. Don't fall for tricks because the bad guys have a bag full.

Folks, are pictures that have been reformatted/modified admissable in court? I don't know but it sounds like they're not. They're not originals.
 

energy_wave

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That's what I'm thinking. Thank you Greenspode.
Here is the thread with all the good first hand info from TB2K members who were there. Maybe it will jog a few memories and help somehow.

TB2K Members in D.C. January 6th, 2021​


 

energy_wave

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I'd bet the government used facial recognition software to read the faces of everyone on their security cameras. Then, if you're several states away shopping at say, a Walmart self check out, where your facial image is also captured along with your credit card data, that may be how they find people.
 

Vicki

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They're basing a case (what is the exact charge?) on 11 pictures. Photographic evidence-is that it? Are there capitol trash police around to coroborate his presence? If they have pics it came off video. Motion for discovery on the video the pics were pulled off of. And the video used by the defense would show him being pushed in and trying to get back out. If they "don't have it" they're withholding evidence.

Are there any pictures of the girlfriend and are they still together? Wondering if she sold him out perhaps? If they're together sit them both down and interrogate them-seriously-in front of their defense lawyer. Get their stories and get their stories straight. And if she's a turncoat there's the source of the warrant.
Sounds like the .gov is shaking the tree hard to see what's left they can convict.

Hence the "boo game" they're running. Everyday Joe would fall for the game they're playing hook line and sinker. Prosecutor's tool box. Scare the innocent so they plead guilty. Use your rights. Get a lawyer. Utilize his knowledge. Don't fall for tricks because the bad guys have a bag full.

Folks, are pictures that have been reformatted/modified admissable in court? I don't know but it sounds like they're not. They're not originals.
Exact charges are...
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(l) - Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(2) - Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D) - Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(G) - Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building.

Photographic evidence is all there is and it's false. The evidence was taken from CCTV and Body cam images.
No Capital Police collaborating presence.
Girlfriend was in two pictures in the hallway entrance. Son was in one of 9 of relevant evidence.
They are not together and she did not turn him in as far as we know. I talked to her parents.

Shaking tree hard, YES. The agent bringing the charges was the same agent who came to our home last year and tried to entrap my son putting words in his mouth and asking him to admit to it. I called him out on entrapment and he didn't like that. They left shortly after. A year later he presses charges. Must be a Trump hater.

Photoqraphic evidence is not evidence. It's relevant evidence only. They don't have a shot with their full faces. It's conjecture only on the part of this agent.
 

energy_wave

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Exact charges are...
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(l) - Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(2) - Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D) - Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(G) - Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building.

Photographic evidence is all there is and it's false. The evidence was taken from CCTV and Body cam images.
No Capital Police collaborating presence.
Girlfriend was in two pictures in the hallway entrance. Son was in one of 9 of relevant evidence.
They are not together and she did not turn him in as far as we know. I talked to her parents.

Shaking tree hard, YES. The agent bringing the charges was the same agent who came to our home last year and tried to entrap my son putting words in his mouth and asking him to admit to it. I called him out on entrapment and he didn't like that. They left shortly after. A year later he presses charges. Must be a Trump hater.

Photoqraphic evidence is not evidence. It's relevant evidence only. They don't have a shot with their full faces. It's conjecture only on the part of this agent.
Stand your ground. They are using intimidation tactics, imo.

Vicki and others, look through this link to learn about these charges.

 

energy_wave

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So what happens if I dox the agent who is using entrapment and fabricating relevant evidence?
Run that through attorney's before any damage is done, imo. Also there may be a Federal complaint office like the NY State Inspector General Office, which you can use to expose illegal activity. If you call in a complaint, they might call you back to confirm, to make sure it's litigimat, to avoid a scam. If these people question you, make sure to get it on tape. It's legal to record conversations in NYS as long as the person recording is there.
 

AlfaMan

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Exact charges are...
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(l) - Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(2) - Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D) - Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building;
40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(G) - Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building.

Photographic evidence is all there is and it's false. The evidence was taken from CCTV and Body cam images.
No Capital Police collaborating presence.
Girlfriend was in two pictures in the hallway entrance. Son was in one of 9 of relevant evidence.
They are not together and she did not turn him in as far as we know. I talked to her parents.

Shaking tree hard, YES. The agent bringing the charges was the same agent who came to our home last year and tried to entrap my son putting words in his mouth and asking him to admit to it. I called him out on entrapment and he didn't like that. They left shortly after. A year later he presses charges. Must be a Trump hater.

Photoqraphic evidence is not evidence. It's relevant evidence only. They don't have a shot with their full faces. It's conjecture only on the part of this agent.
And these charges are felonies? If I didn't know any better you have Dudley DoRight as the agent pushing you.

Those are scuffle and busting up a protest charges; if he's pushing them as felonies (with a capitol F I'm sure) then tell your son to hush, do what they ask with regards to meeting conditions of bail, get a good defense lawyer, make sure the case is tried where you live, file for a motion of discovery on ALL materials relevant to the case and tell Dudley DoRight you'll see him in court.

Cop is agitating to get your son to crack and take a plea. That's his end game. Your son is irrelevant to the greater January 6th issue-Dudley wants another notch in his conviction "gun" handle though. Freak out the "agent"-ask for and call his boss. If Dudley has an arrest warrant for your son, it needs to be presented. Was it a warrant he presented to take your son in, do you have a copy (or does your son)? of it? Or was it a notice to appear?

He's pressing charges on your son because he probably can't get anything on the rest of the people ransacking that room. He's going for the easy hit, the low hanging fruit.

Don't break, don't offer anything and lawyer up. Let the lawyer do your talking.

And don't give up hope. Unless Dudley DoRight has something earth shattering against your son; there's a better than good chance there won't be a conviction.
 

energy_wave

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And these charges are felonies? If I didn't know any better you have Dudley DoRight as the agent pushing you.

Those are scuffle and busting up a protest charges; if he's pushing them as felonies (with a capitol F I'm sure) then tell your son to hush, do what they ask with regards to meeting conditions of bail, get a good defense lawyer, make sure the case is tried where you live, file for a motion of discovery on ALL materials relevant to the case and tell Dudley DoRight you'll see him in court.

Cop is agitating to get your son to crack and take a plea. That's his end game. Your son is irrelevant to the greater January 6th issue-Dudley wants another notch in his conviction "gun" handle though. Freak out the "agent"-ask for and call his boss. If Dudley has an arrest warrant for your son, it needs to be presented. Was it a warrant he presented to take your son in, do you have a copy (or does your son)? of it? Or was it a notice to appear?

He's pressing charges on your son because he probably can't get anything on the rest of the people ransacking that room. He's going for the easy hit, the low hanging fruit.

Don't break, don't offer anything and lawyer up. Let the lawyer do your talking.

And don't give up hope. Unless Dudley DoRight has something earth shattering against your son; there's a better than good chance there won't be a conviction.

We need a GoFundMe campaign of some sort.
 

Southside

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So what happens if I dox the agent who is using entrapment and fabricating relevant evidence?
You know, that may not be the best thing to do. And heaven knows, I am a rabble rouser, but I don't think I would kick the bees nest while it is in my house. The FBI doesn't play straight, but he didn't do any of the big things. Look at the cases that have been completed for those with the same charges. He isn't in trouble. Just grief & monetary pain. Really, there is nothing there, except FBI intimidation.

I am sorry he has to go through that.
 

AlfaMan

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You guys are all awesome! You make me feel much better and I can pass that on to the son. Thank you all so much!
The scariest thing the Dudley DoRight "agent" is facing is an informed, calm, prepared defendant. Cross your T's and dot your I's-make sure the son follows the conditions of his "bail". Don't give the guy any reason to get more obnoxious.

A good lawyer is very important. And you need him before the preliminary hearing. Pepper that lawyer with EVERY tidbit your son can remember about that day. Nail down the days events your son and girlfriend did from the SECOND they woke up.
Sounds a bit over the top; but consider this. Dudley DoRight is sniffing like a bloodhound and the preliminary hearing is going to probably be like Lets make a deal. You know, where Monte Hall goes into the crowd and offers people in the audience 50 bucks for a egg, or 100 for a dry cleaning receipt, or a paperclip, etc. Make sure your "pockets are full" of details ready to pull out, no matter how weird of insignificant they seem. Every detail you provide can convince the jury the complete lunacy of making charges stick on your son. Law types thrive on details-be better at the job than they are.

Also, it needs to be nailed down where the trial (if it even goes that far) is held. Keep it local !!!! If they try to move it do DC, is your lawyer licensed to practice in DC if it ends up there? If not (likely) then put that forth in the court-your representation isn't licensed for DC and a change in venue will not give your son right to proper legal representation.

Remember, thrust and parry-just like a sword fight. If they "thrust" with "evidence" "parry" with facts. Win the fight.

And if you need help, please let us know. Keep your chin up, keep your son's chin up. Right will prevail.
 
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