Thunderdragon
Senior Member
I doubt it was red haired Jack in my opinion. They were frantically trying to call him…I think two girls were. Sounds more like someone they would reach out to for help if something was wrong…
I think that’s where the theory ‘he owed someone money’ came from. Like they held the people hostage saying ‘pay up or else’. But the police releasing info they died in their beds doesn’t really support that - IMHO.I doubt it was red haired Jack in my opinion. They were frantically trying to call him…I think two girls were. Sounds more like someone they would reach out to for help if something was wrong…
That's the first tier or circle of suspects they'd rule out, but. . . the more facts come in, the more, NOT fewer, plausible suspects and theories come to mind.Just had a conversation with a very educated and intelligent man. He brought this story up in conversation.
He said this:
“It is the job of a college girl to break at least two hearts while in college and not to be nice about it.”
In other words, he thinks this is the work of an ex-boyfriend or sexually frustrated male who knew the victims. He specifically suspects someone who targeted the male and female couple in the house. The other two victims, he believes, were just caught up in the bloodlust that emerged in those moments.
Well, that is the theory of a man who is much smarter than I am, yet I tend to disagree. Time will tell, perhaps.
Wanted to share this because it comes from the mind of an absolutely brilliant man whom I respect.
Yeah... Unless they think they know who killed the dog.Kind of interesting that with no suspects, they can confidently say the skinned dog had nothing to do with the murders.
I’m with you on that. Either immense rage or deeply disturbed.Yeah... Unless they think they know who killed the dog.
Still, that means there are at least TWO active nutcases running around that area... not exactly reassuring!
I suspect their original reassurances that "there was no danger" to others in the community was based on assumptions made from the mode and method of the killings. Stabbing is a "personal" crime. Stabbing with a large knife brought to the scene by the perp tends to be *very* personal. Depending on the amount of "overkill " (continuing to stab after the victim is incapacitated and dead or dying) usually indicates immense rage... *usually * towards the victim.
So, their first reassurances were "normal"... but very likely incorrect in this case. Which could mean there is a very unstable, rage filled maniac running around the area... and that type rarely stops at one incident.
If my kid was attending that school, (especially a girl), we'd be transferring somewhere else.
Summerthyme
That was the updated version... the original statements for at least the first 72 hours was "don't worry, this was an isolated incident"... at the time, many of us were wondering if they had a strong suspect to be that certain.I’m with you on that. Either immense rage or deeply disturbed.
I might be misremembering, but I thought officials finally issued a statement saying people need to be careful, we don’t know if this is an isolated incident yet?
Photos at the link.
Police seek ‘Rambo’-style knife in probe of Idaho student murders: report
Police investigating the slaughter of four University of Idaho students have asked the manager of a local store owner whether he sold a “Rambo”-style knife known as KA-BAR to anyone.nypost.com
Police seek ‘Rambo’-style knife in probe of Idaho student murders: report
By Yaron Steinbuch
November 17, 2022 7:32am Updated
Police investigating the brutal slaughter of four University of Idaho students appear to be searching for a “Rambo”-style knife in the slayings, a local store owner said.
Moscow Building Supply general manager Scott Jutte told the Idaho Statesman that a police officer stopped by the retailer more than once this week to inquire about the possible sale of a KA-BAR brand combat blade.
“They were specifically asking whether or not we carry KA-BAR-style knives, which we do not,” Jutte told the paper. “If we did, we could’ve reviewed surveillance footage. But it wasn’t something I could help them with.”
He said the tactical knives used by US Marines in the 1940s are “similar to the knife Rambo has,” Jutte added, referring to the Vietnam vet character famously played by Sylvester Stallone.
“(KA-BAR) is more of a combat knife. It’s not really something that we specialize in,” added Jutte, who said his store sells mostly hunting knives.
KA-BAR knife
Police have reportedly asked the manager of a local store whether he sold a “Rambo”-style knife that may have been used to slaughter four University of Idaho students.
KA-BAR.
On its website, KA-BAR, of Olean, New York, describes its signature blade as its “most famous knife.”
The “knives became so well recognized for their quality and so abundant in number that ‘Kabar’ became the name by which many referred to this knife pattern, regardless of whether the knife was manufactured at the actual KA-BAR facility,” it says.
“Today, the original USMC Fighting and Utility Knife remains the first choice for many men and women of service who carry it as their personal knife option,” the company adds.
Blood oozing from walls of house where four students murdered in Idaho.
Police sources said the crime scene where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death was the “worst they’ve ever seen.”
James Keivom for NY Post
The off-campus home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death
The off-campus home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death
James Keivom for NY Post
On Wednesday, Moscow police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger would neither confirm nor deny to the Statesman that investigators from the department visited the store or interviewed Jutte.
“I can’t speak to that. I don’t have any new information to share,” he told the paper.
Police did not respond to the request for comment Thursday.
Kaylee Gonclaves and Madison Mogen
Kaylee Gonclaves (left) and Madison Mogen (right) were both seniors and were both from Idaho.
Maddie Morgan/Instagram
Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin
Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were believed to be in a relationship before their deaths.
AP
News about the knife comes after Moscow Police Chief James Fry provided an update about the shocking crime, saying a murder weapon has not yet been found.
The murders of Ethan Chapin, 20, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, rocked the school community and prompted many students to vacate campus ahead of Thanksgiving break.
No suspect or motive has been determined in the slayings.
Blood can be seen oozing out of the side of the off-campus house.
Blood can be seen oozing out of the side of the off-campus house.
James Keivom for NY Post
Meanwhile, it has emerged that another incident involving a knife at the University of Idaho occurred in September when campus security sent out a so-called “Vandal Alert” to staff and students, Fox News reported.
Using the subject line “Threat with Knife,” the alert from Sept. 12 read: “The Moscow Police Department received a report that a group of students was walking between the Steam Plant parking lot (Lot #14) and the Student Recreation Center on Paradise Path and were threatened by a person with a knife,” according to the news outlet.
“No individual was harmed in the incident, but campus community members are advised to be cautious,” added the alert, which a concerned parent shared with Fox News Digital.
Slain University of Idaho students
The four victims were all friends at the college.
The suspect was described as a man between the ages of 18 and 22, wearing black clothes and a black baseball cap, and riding a mountain bike.
Police declined to comment to Fox News about the incident, whether the suspect was caught, or whether the incident could be connected to the gruesome murder that occurred about a mile away.
“I have no information on that at this time,” Dahlinger told Fox News Digital, which said a school spokesperson didn’t immediately return a request for comment.
Knife alert from September
Image of a “Vandal Alert” about a knife incident in September at the university.
In his update Wednesday, Fry said two roommates were inside the off-campus home where the four students were found dead and that the 911 call wasn’t made until hours later.
He also backtracked about how concerned the community should be about an ongoing threat after authorities originally said the public was not in danger following the quadruple homicide.
Still, that means there are at least TWO active nutcases running around that area... not exactly reassuring!
My K-Bar looks nothing like the knife in the Rambo movies.
i am beginning to think the dad's 'connections' had something to do with this.
maybe i am wrong, he smells of some funny Brazilian goings on...
like, a payback, or
and if so, they will never find the perp or perps.
I still say the jilted former BF. He and her family are in total denial that she switched teams. The calls to him before the murders were due to him showing up to the house and catching his former girlfriend and her best friend turned new girlfriend in bed together (one of the girls fathers confirmed they were in the same bed when killed) and storming off to lose his mind. Only to return within an hour or so.
Idaho murders update: Kaylee Goncalves had ‘significantly more brutal’ injuries than other victim she shared bed with