CRIME 4 Students Found Dead Near University Of Idaho - Male Suspect Arrested In Pennsylvania - Post #566

homecanner1

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Its winter graduation wknd there, town is full with parents and families, police urging to remain vigilant, celebrating students to travel in groups.


'....Students who left campus for Thanksgiving break were given the option to stay home and learn remotely. An estimated 25% to 40% of the school's 11,500-person population did not return to campus after the holiday.

MPD has six detectives and five support staff assigned to the case with help from 46 FBI investigators in Moscow and throughout the United States, two Behavior Analysis Unit investigators, 13 Idaho State Police investigators and 15 uniformed troopers....'
 

jward

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Yeah, this came out almost 24 hrs ago. Apparently some cray-cray "sixty year ole grannies who don't know how anything works, sleuthing or college" have really been more problematic than usual on the true crime sites. Not only spinning their theories on "facts" that they made up, misheard, or simply don't understand, but paying psychics out of their own pockets, then arguing with each other about the versions of the crime and submitting their favorite psychics "facts" to the tips line" :eek:

Bad enough when they turn around and waste time and financial resources by "calling in their info" which then has to be processed- but even worse, apparently some of those psychics have been doxing people named in the cases, giving out addresses, making up scenarios and spreading the info as "facts" etc. I don't think there is that much that can be done, legally, against those efforts, if the shame of wasting the resources, and of traumatizing kids who're most likely also just victims of the situation, and not the perpertraters.

Hopefully it will be nipped in the bud before we get another Richard Jewell, or some cray cray karen takes it into their own hands to "put the perp down" or someone is harrassed into suicide-
Idaho police warn of 'criminal charges' for web sleuths engaged in 'harassing' amid 'misinformation'

Four University of Idaho students were attacked in their sleep on Nov. 13 -- and police have not publicly named any suspects

Published December 9, 2022 9:40pm EST

MOSCOW, Idaho – Police urged the internet's true crime community to tone things down Friday, nearly four weeks after the unsolved slayings of four University of Idaho students captured national attention.

"Investigators have been monitoring online activity related to this ongoing and active case and are aware of the large amount of rumors and misinformation being shared as well as harassing and threatening behavior toward potentially involved parties," Moscow police said in a statement Friday afternoon.

They did not identify the "potentially involved parties."

"Anyone engaging in threats or harassment whether in person, online or otherwise needs to understand that they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges."

Closing in on a month later, police have not publicly named any suspects or persons of interest – and they released few details before Wednesday, when they asked the public for help finding the occupant or occupants of a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra seen near the victims' home around the time of the slayings.

Police say anyone in the Elantra may have "critical information to share" in the case.

The tip line can be reached at 208-883-7180 or by email to tipline@ci.moscow.id.us. Digital Media can be submitted at fbi.gov/moscowidaho.

Two other roommates were on the ground level and escaped harm, police have said. Goncalves' dog was also unharmed.

A robust community of true crime followers has been discussing the case broadly across social media, in Facebook groups, subreddits, Discord servers, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok and elsewhere.

Some groups are moderated; some aren't. Some permit speculation; others prefer confirmed details only.

One Facebook group warns members, "No posting family…Do not post anything that has to do with the victims families. Doesn’t matter if it’s public record!" And, "Do not post pictures of people not directly involved in the case!! Do not name names!"

The r/MoscowMurders forum on Reddit instructs users not to post any personal information at all about anyone.

Several administrators of groups with tens of thousands of members did not immediately respond to requests for comment. One who did politely declined to speak on the record.

But online speculation about possible persons of interest has led to the intimidation of unnamed parties who may or may not be associated with the case, according to police.

"Anyone engaging in threats or harassment whether in person, online or otherwise needs to understand that they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges," Moscow police said Friday. "Moscow Police Department cautions the public not to rely on rumors and remains committed to keeping the public informed. We urge reliance on official channels for accurate information."

Investigators have named no suspects and have maintained that they will release "only vetted information that does not hinder the investigation."

They have repeatedly described several people as individuals "detectives do not believe" were involved in the crime without naming them.

They include the two surviving roommates, a "Male in the Grub Truck surveillance video," although several men appeared in the video, a "private party driver" who drove Goncalves and Mogen home hours before their slayings, "the male Kaylee and Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of November 13th," a group of people who were present at the victims' home when the initial 911 call came in, and a sixth person named on the lease who no longer lived there.

Three victims were tenants at the home. Chapin, Kernodle's boyfriend, lived in a fraternity house 200 yards away and was sleeping over.

Chapin was a member of the Sigma Chi fraternity. He was majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management, the University of Idaho said. He and Kernodle were believed to have spent most of the evening at the Sigma Chi house before returning to her place around 1:45 a.m., according to investigators.

Kernodle and Mogen were both part of the Pi Beta Phi sorority and were marketing majors. Goncalves, a general studies major, belonged to Alpha Phi. They had been seen at the Corner Club bar in Moscow and at a food truck earlier in the evening.

"Your information, whether you believe it is significant or not, might be the piece of the puzzle that helps investigators solve these murders," police said in a statement.

 

homecanner1

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Chuck knows whereof he speaks about BALLance. Like microdosing Profs pushing the fad onto their students.

This has exploded onto social media (the psychics are mostly pulling theories from thin air). The Chief has good reason to admonish but its way past the moment the horses can be brought back into the barn now that the door was left open. 6500 tips called in by locals in a town that size suggests they have a rather robust drug market there and plenty of footrunners and street soldiery involved and their intimidations (like the animal mutilations) adding to the havoc factor.

The bodycam arrest video of the 4 youths has been gone over with fine tooth comb by more researchers (coming out of the woodwork now) and some are claiming you can hear a scream in the distance.

The video link is posted above and was released by the police themselves, the internet community at large is incensed by this slaughter and taking it apart second by second for audio, for shadow movement. I've played it back, paused, listened, turned volume way up and listened again. Its very faint, but its there.

Whatever that sound is whether its a scream or car brakes squealing has the potential to be isolated and enhanced by professional sound engineers and analysts and if its one of the girls screaming, it can be voiceprint verified.

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homecanner1

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Looks like the sleuths have found something tangible

Its at 3:12: 45 on the police dash cam timestamp, upper right not at 3:12 on the youtube counter on the bottom. Its the full 45 minute police incident with the (underage?) drinkers

There is confusion as shorter clips of the police bodycam have aired on various taped tv newscasts, copied for audio research and different timestamps are moving around.

There is a brief audio cut out but you can hear a faint scream in the distance

the full body cam released by Moscow PD 46:03 runtime

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L77j4C6LBKQ


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If you want to hear it, listen soon as this is evidence and will get taken down by youtube.

And as for neighbors loathing 24 hour party people and dead animals on doorsteps of complainers, that entire neighborhood now has a "Cielo Drive" Tate vibe placed on it and their property values will plummet as a result.

Did a bunch of California Refugees have their sights set on relocating to "tolerant Moscow" and needed some help to get more properties dumped on the real estate market?

This police body cam is out in the public domain now, audio and all.

That many teenage boys at 3 am with beer cans in hand both standing caught and others running in the shadows, roaming the immediate area implies that ogling the pretty blonde neighbors at their back windows was a past time.

Someone will crack on this, whether its the unharmed girls downstairs or neighbor boys who know too much. The dog was back in his crate and thus spared. A shame if he had been allowed to defend, we might also have heard barking on the audio.

adding slow the audio on your youtube playback settings to .75, you have to really focus over the sound of the police car engine idle but its there.
 
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homecanner1

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ok after rewinding this a dozen times to listen, I finally see now exactly what Bernadette was urgently saying to focus on commented on above

I took a screenshot, there are FOUR people moving up above and its caught in the reflection bounced off the police car

watch the video again, it helps if you slow your playback settings to .75

this is the time stamp to watch for 3:12:34 to 3:12:36, you will clearly see 4 people move thru that treeline

its captured in the yellow dot center bottom on the video

that is the outline of a head in that tiny yellow circle in the screenshot to show you where to watch

its absolutely chilling, the real perps may have been fleeing the scene as these teen drinkers getting busted while the crime was committed, all caught on the arrest bodycam vid

or else these 4 other peeper creepers got spooked by the screams and ran away

Some boys need to come forward...with some legal counsel

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homecanner1

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Be sure to wave if you also see 4 bodies running thru the mist. Wouldn't want to be accused as a website pushing woo!

With some very basic tech effort, managed to pause and catch 2 heads in the distance of the 4 males running

Contrasted black and white for sharper detail, one is shorter than his buddy

Some peepers were witnesses to the events and should come forward.

I see 4 (males?) running from left to right on the cam. What do you see?


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homecanner1

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On the record interview with the Latah Co. Coroner

5 minute run time

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ZaJZ_zNe8


She mentions a previous homicide she investigated on the video, this was a Professor Ernesto Bustamante who shot his female student in 2011 and then killed himself

details on it here and its also being re examined, was a drug network in place then already in the community? Was Bustamante an actual credentialed educator or a plant by the drug syndicate?


'...In his first fall semester at the university, Bustamante was the target of complaints from three or four female students about his purported ‘flirtatious behavior and favoritism,’ according to the university’s records. Asked about it, Bustamante told a supervisor the students had ‘misunderstood his friendship with a student as a fellow Hispanic..."

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Tigerlily

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ok after rewinding this a dozen times to listen, I finally see now exactly what Bernadette was urgently saying to focus on commented on above

I took a screenshot, there are FOUR people moving up above and its caught in the reflection bounced off the police car

watch the video again, it helps if you slow your playback settings to .75

this is the time stamp to watch for 3:12:34 to 3:12:36, you will clearly see 4 people move thru that treeline

its captured in the yellow dot center bottom on the video

that is the outline of a head in that tiny yellow circle in the screenshot to show you where to watch

its absolutely chilling, the real perps may have been fleeing the scene as these teen drinkers getting busted while the crime was committed, all caught on the arrest bodycam vid

or else these 4 other peeper creepers got spooked by the screams and ran away

Some boys need to come forward...with some legal counsel

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The video is blurred out now, and you cannot see this part anymore. If someone can post a higher resolution, I can make it bigger.

It would be better if someone could find a backup copy on one of the alt video sites. I haven't tracked one down yet.
 

homecanner1

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Still there just played it again

Its hard to see as "torch officer" is holding his flashlight at chest level.

here is the full screen with the location circled to watch on the video. It helps if you change the playback settings slower and turn the audio off, focus solely on the 4 individuals running away from 3:12: 34 to 3:12: 36. Its closer to :36.

The "arresting officer" turns sheet on his clipboard at 3:12: 31 which briefly blocks out the tiny reflected area that is in question and then after it goes back down you can watch that part of the video closely. Don't blink you will miss it.

Some people are saying its a small herd of 4 deer who were frightened by the screams, lol sure.

In hoodies and chuck hats?

Others claim one is wearing a backpack. My eyes are not that sharp anymore. But I can see 4 bodies clearly moving left to right, 'hauling ass' out of there

2 of the heads visible in the screenshot silhouetted by the light from behind them here

Might have to watch and pause it several times, disregard the youtube time on the bottom, the police official time on top is the one that will end up being pivotal in the trial, events taking place in the house from 3 am onward. I estimate the serious stabbing began at 3:12:33. The scream is heard faintly in the distance at 3:12:45

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some filthy hobbitsesss still on the loose Mr. Frodo...

Latah Co. jail arrest for the guy from the Construction Company that Ms. Kitty posted earlier, James Curtis Leonard

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a couple other interesting perps in the mix, one on 8 counts of voyeurism

another surnamed Ricky Higheagle busted Sept. 21, 2022, looks Native.
 
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homecanner1

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enlarged 250 percent, 2 of the 4 caught silhouetted, some say the grayish bar in the middle was the balcony railing

There was a female at the grub truck with a red backpack on that long video of Maddie & Kaylee placing their food order while Jack S. in hoodie was hovering. Reddit folk say the girls ate their carryout in the kitchen and then moved upstairs to turn the lights out in Maddie's room.

Also am hearing Kaylee's dad had to sign a waiver about something Kaylee received in the mail. Did she take out an RSO

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homecanner1

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RE: Killing the Clones movie proposal and video teaser (youtube scrubbed the link) by a Moscow ID (student?) filmmaker

discussed on Idaho Reddit on the murders subreddit

not to be confused with the Star Wars Killing the Clones of the same name. You knew Hollywood would show up in this.

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Also a great still shot of the back of the house to give you perspective on distances and height, still sealed off with police crimescene tape.

Detectives were seen back in the house again 3 days ago collecting more data, thus the snow shots taken

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This photo is from Chronicles of Olivia youtube channel, a true crime podcast type and Kaylee was subscribed to it on her phone info dating from recent crimes like Gabby etc.
 

homecanner1

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RE Killing the Clones, Sarah Osborne whose cousin (In Moscow ID) is shopping the screenplay or story as potential gore flick mentioned in the post above

someone noted Sarah Osborne was the first witch put to death in the Salem Witch Trials.

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Full timeline of events put together by their classmates on Google docs, its very good with active links


note in the timeline that CRY HAVOC anti war play was in performance on campus at the Idaho Rep that night, 8 pm
might be helpful to check the box office ticket purchases who attended and if they held audience Q and A . This is art geared toward Iraq/Afghan vet generation.

1 hr 19 minute run time

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr-QI_cGRo4


“intense, exquisitely performed... Wolfert's insights into PTSD, its damage and collateral damage, are stunning and enlightening.”


In an inspirational one-man show, Stephan Wolfert recounts his own experience pre- and post-military service. Through the lines of Shakespeare’s most famous speeches and his own personal insights, Wolfert explores our societal neurosis of war. The military recruits citizens and trains them to kill, but what does the “de-cruit” process look like? How do we re-learn to live together? Each performance is followed by an engaging discussion between actor, audience, and veterans that dares to explore these questions.

I also checked SETLIST to see if any bands were in town, only local bands and dj's playing spots with live music like Jack's Alley Tavern.

This is a Pacific NW 'feeder' school for talent recruiting so keep your eyes peeled for starbabies enrolled quietly below the radar.

Xana Kernodle's tik tok channel (still up!) the usual collegiate social stuff from Halloween 2022, Ethan in what looks like pantyhose face covering. Xana in 'orange is the new black' prison ensemble. Quoting Vector in the cartoon, "commiting crimes in both direction and magnitude" oh yeah!


this one in particular placing black/pink USA flag for Barbz on her car

https://www.tiktok.com/video/6978254901696613637 View: https://www.tiktok.com/@xxanakernodle/video/6978254901696613637?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1


who/what are the Barbz, fans of Nikki Minaj stay in school mantra and defend Nikki from all negative detractors


Barbz for Bernie


that's a tell...
 
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homecanner1

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one last one for today

This is the only backpack person I have seen off the many videos that night.

This is 1 am outside the grub truck where post bar, post concert, post ball game folk gather & grab some eats to go, this is a hub for every college town, usually a cluster of food trucks that cater exclusively to that campus life.

Generally someone with a backpack who has not come directly from the student library after closing, at that late hour is a potential party $upply vendor for anyone looking to have a rowdy nite cap. As a way to earn some cash for beer money and the laundromat. Most students drop their heavy backpack off at the dorm or apt. they do not go clubbing with it. It looks very full.

Maddie and top of Kaylee's head at the food window ordering grub to go. Their last meal.

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homecanner1

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Alright, Sunday more pics

Halloween 2022, on the far right Ethan and Xana as his 'knocked up prisoner' girlfriend

neighbor Jack Showalter in white bucket hat on the left? other guys may be his former Frat brothers?

not so kissy cousins

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This will be the most famous photo of Jack, holding Xana's stuffed toy, Terry the African Cheetah, said to represent Jack's admitted alter personality that would emerge at parties. The media will paint him as a right wing nutjob but this flag hangs in the kitchen area at the girls house from what I gather, he was a guest at their parties. Kaylee & Maddie were more working class, traditional background. The flag has a Don't Tread on Me Snake wrapped round outline of Idaho.

a stunning number of young people had no idea what this was on youtube, some thought it was a Christmas tree.

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Jack? and Kaylee with dog Murphy photographed outside the house, Halloween pumpkin decor by dog's head. pic from The Reporter Room youtube channel. Seems awfully skinny there to be Jack...not convinced this is Showalter. Courier?

looks like police surveillance telephoto...

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'what has he got in his pocketssss' bird dogging the two girls but not ordering any food to go?

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Jack comes from some very wealthy, prestigious family of Boise. His father is a surgeon, his mother a pediatrician and two of his uncles are also doctors. Jack was adopted from (South?) Africa. He also has an adoptive brother from Kenya.
There are unconfirmed reports that he is related to an Attorney General of Idaho, not sure whether sitting or former, could be maternal side of family?

On Dec 1st, Idaho State Univ. announced a $10 million gift from an anon donor for the Physicians Assistance program, it was reported in Forbes in the Dec 3rd 2022 issue.

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Showalter's appear to be high end Dem donors. His mother has scrubbed all photos from her facebook page but not closed it yet, but many students snagged screenshots beforehand...

This is from Idaho's state voter registration records, like Florida, party affiliation is displayed and this is openly sourced, Dr. Larry is his father.

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A Dr. Robert Showalter sued Boise Feb 18, 2022 for wrongful dismissal during Covid 19. This is not his father. The court case is linked on open sourced records. Showalter v. Boise Cnty., 1:21-cv-00404-DCN | Casetext Search + Citator

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Very Litigious folk and the Univ is walking on eggs... there's more but this all I am willing to post. It is important that this case is documented.

This will shake Idaho to its foundation.
 
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Bubble Head

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Seem to remember that the so called Jack was cleared as a suspect without DNA taken. In addition there was some information that he had left the country and was in South Africa. Didn't make sense to me when I read it but if it was Jack Showalter is does now. The post of these events is some pages
 

jward

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Seem to remember that the so called Jack was cleared as a suspect without DNA taken. In addition there was some information that he had left the country and was in South Africa. Didn't make sense to me when I read it but if it was Jack Showalter is does now. The post of these events is some pages

Yes, the craycray grannies doxed him, and their hired psychics said he went to Africa, based on their snooping out of his mothers SM stuff... and currently the rumours are that was nonsense, he never went to the cabin, the Africa trip was in the past, and his dna's been given.

Hard to be certain from here, I still think he has some red flags worth looking at, but the latest police release (12/12) you know, from those actually privy to the details of the case, continue to cite him amongst those whom they do not believe involved in the crime at this time. The also continue to be focused on the Elantra, suggesting by their resource allocation that that car and it's occupants, and it's activities in the days prior to, and morning of, the crime are of interest..

As I've said, it's all a nightmare, not only from that morning's events, but in the sense of the transitory nature of the scene, and the sheer difficulty of sorting who was where, when and why. Doesn't help that the cray-cray ole gals, and the clickbait media have been so egregiously irresponsible in misrepresenting the truth and at times deliberately stoking lies.

Moscow Homicide Update
The Moscow Police Department
is providing the following information to update the public on the
known facts surrounding the four murders that occurred on November 13th in Moscow, Idaho.
MOSCOW, Idaho – The investigation team spent many hours over the weekend going through tips
provided to the FBI Tip Line and the Tip Line email. Police are still looking for information regarding a
2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra. Tips and leads have led investigators to look for additional information
about this vehicle being in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning
hours of November 13th. The FBI continues to prioritize and vet those tips.
Regarding the safety of the public, police recommendations for safety measures are good reminders in
general, and in light of what has happened in this community. These reminders are not an indication of
a specific or elevated risk to the community.
See an Investigation Update for December 12, 2022 on the Moscow Police YouTube Channel with
Captain Roger Lanier with the Moscow Police Department who is in charge of the Operations Division of
the King Road Homicide Investigation at:
View: https://youtu.be/OkIKHjiPlME

Investigators continue to not release detailed information. It is what must be done to preserve the
integrity of the investigation.
The investigation continues with the same amount of resources.
Moscow Police Department:
• 6 Detectives
• 5 Support Staff
• Communications Team
Federal Bureau of Investigation:
• 46 investigators in Moscow & located throughout the United States
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• 2 Behavior Analysis Unit investigators
Idaho State Police:
• 13 investigators in Moscow
• 15 uniformed troopers assisting with community patrols
• ISP Forensics Services
As previously reported:
2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra: Investigators would like to thank the community and public for recent
information provided about the vehicle and the spike in tips. The FBI is prioritizing and vetting those tips
for use in the investigation. The public is asked to continue to use the Tip Line to report any information
about the vehicle.
Calling in tips: Please be aware that this new call process takes patience on behalf of the caller, and
there are some prompts to follow. This is a national FBI tip line and it is important to get all the way
through the prompts to reach the right agent to report information.
Detectives remain interested in speaking with the occupant(s) of a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra,
with an unknown license plate. Tips and leads have led investigators to look for additional information
about this vehicle being in the immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning
hours of November 13th. Investigators believe the occupant(s) of this vehicle may have critical
information to share regarding this case.
If you know of or own a vehicle matching this description, or know of anyone who may have been
driving this vehicle on the days preceding or the day of the murders, please forward that information to
the Tip Line.
Information can be submitted:
• Tip Line: 208-883-7180
• Email: tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho
The below photos are stock images of a 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra and are not the actual vehicle.
At this time, no suspect has been identified and only vetted information that does not hinder the
investigation will be released to the public. We encourage referencing official releases for accurate
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information and updated progress. All press releases and information related to this case are available
at: King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID.
Investigative Timeline:
On the evening of November 12th, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen were at a local bar called
Corner Club at 202 N. Main Street, in downtown Moscow, between 10 p.m. and 1:30 a.m. on November
13th. At approximately 1:40 a.m., Kaylee and Madison were seen on video at a local food vendor called
the “Grub Truck” at 318 S. Main Street and used a private party for a ride home from downtown to
arrive at their 1122 King Road residence around 1:56 a.m.
Investigators have determined that Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were seen at the Sigma Chi house
on the University of Idaho Campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive. At approximately 1:45 a.m., Ethan and Xana
are believed to have returned to the residence at 1122 King Road. It was previously reported that Ethan
resided at the home; however, it has been determined that he was only visiting.
Detectives believe that on November 12th, the two surviving roommates had also been out in the
Moscow community, separately, but returned home by 1 a.m. on November 13th. The two did not wake
up until later that morning.
On November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed
one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call
requested aid for an unconscious person. The call was made from one of the surviving roommates’ cell
phones inside the residence. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police
arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found two victims on the second floor and
two victims on the third floor.
Autopsies were conducted on November 17th. The Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the
four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner
stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple
times. There was no sign of sexual assault.
Detectives continue investigating what occurred from approximately 9 p.m. on November 12th to 1:45
a.m. on November 13th, when Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were believed to be at the Sigma Chi
house on the University of Idaho Campus at 735 Nez Perce Drive. Any interactions, contacts, direction
and method of travel, or anything abnormal could add context to what occurred.
Detectives are seeking all outside surveillance video taken from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on Sunday, November
13th, from businesses and residences within the geographical area listed below. Detectives request all
available videos – whether there appears to be motion and content or not.
• West Taylor Ave (north boundary)
• West Palouse River Dr (south boundary)
• Highway 95 south to the 2700 block of Highway 95 S (east boundary)
• Arboretum & Botanical Garden (west boundary)
Detectives are also seeking additional tips and surveillance video of any unusual behavior on the night of
November 12th into the early hours of November 13th while Kaylee and Madison were in downtown
Moscow and while Ethan and Xana were at the Sigma Chi house. Anyone who observed unusual
behavior near these areas or has video surveillance is asked to submit their tips.
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Investigators have looked extensively into information received about Kaylee having a stalker. They have
pursued hundreds of pieces of information related to this topic but have not verified or identified a
stalker. Anyone with information about a potential stalker or unusual instances is asked to contact the
tip line.
At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe the following are involved in this crime:
• Two surviving roommates,
• Male in the Grub Truck surveillance video,
• Private party driver who took Kaylee and Madison home on November 13th,
• The male Kaylee and Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of
November 13th,
• Any individual at the residence when 911 was called, or
• The individual on the lease who moved out of the residence before the school year started and
was not present at the time of the incident.

Additional information related to the investigation:
• Currently, no suspects are in custody, and no weapon has been located.
• On the night of the incident, officers located a dog at the residence. The dog was unharmed,
turned over to Animal Services, and later released to a responsible party.
• Local businesses were contacted to determine if a fixed-blade knife had been recently
purchased.
• Detectives seized the contents of three dumpsters on King Road to locate possible evidence.
• Gov. Brad Little directed up to $1 million in state emergency funds for the ongoing investigation
• Throughout the investigation, detectives have collected:
o More than 2,770 calls to the Tip Line at 208-883-7180
o Over 2,645 emails at tipline@ci.moscow.id.us
o Over 1,084 digital media submissions to the FBI link
o 113 pieces of physical evidence collected and taken to the ISP crime lab
o Approximately 4,000 crime scene photographs taken
o Multiple three-dimensional scans of the residence
• On November 29, as part of the ongoing homicide investigation and original search warrant,
detectives relocated five vehicles from within the police perimeter to a more secure long-term
storage location to continue processing evidence.
• Idaho State Police Forensic Services crime lab scientists have worked on this case for weeks and
have provided testing and analysis results to detectives. As they complete additional tests, those
results will also be provided. To protect the investigation’s integrity, specific results will not be
released.
• As detectives move forward with the homicide investigation, a private security company has
been contracted to provide scene security to free up patrol resources. The scene remains under
police control.
• Detectives are aware of a sixth person listed on the lease at the residence. They have spoken to
this individual and confirmed they moved out prior to the start of the school year and was not
present at the time of the incident. Detectives do not believe this person has any involv
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Oh its a miasma. The garbage disposal trucks emptied the dumpsters before the scene was secured, possible evidence lost if the hunting knife or bloody clothes/gloves got tossed. The 911 call was not till the downstairs roomies woke up at noon, trucks had been thru already according to locals? Pick up on a Sunday?

It will probably not be solved as too many people knew they left the back kitchen sliding glass doors ajar. Too much doubt to convict.

Disturbing on multiple levels, the least of which some folks see a college $chlock horror payday and casting potential for some budding local drama majors. Meh. Killer Clowns killing pretty co ed clones. Watts not to love about that kind of greed and bloodlust garbage product from tinseltown? Can't blame usual suspect moguls for that one. Aim higher I say.

Hannah probably knew too much about local drug use, was not a social butterfly. Her family may be very aggrieved still.

Who doesn't have a motive at this point?

One thing modern mass slaughters will adapt to is the fact these kids document their own lives from start to end of day. Tik Toks of their dance party hijinx and selfie vids of each others under age drinking. Right down to the messages they leave on their venmo pay, all recorded. They don't need any doxxing grannies or karen neighbors calling in police nuisance complaints 3 times in one semester to prove it was a partyhouse. They plaster it all over tik tok, insta, twitter, FB, Gab and so on. And still with all that steady contact with the cyber world, a killer can still slip into a house at 3 am.

The grub truck has to stream outside because where youth congregate, nefarium preys upon them to open their wallets or their legs. Everybody has to cover their ass now, from cop bodycams to ring doorbell cams. And the natural question has arisen, where were the security cams at 1122? Lots of before/after photos and sleuths trying to pinpoint if cams by doors were stolen, taken down by the tenants or if they were never installed i n the first place. Some contractor could make a small fortune beefing up homeowner security in that town

At least one father was irate enough to drive down and change doorknobs and locks himself. Meaning not the landlord or hired townie help who would be programming the codes on the doors thereby negating their security if passcode leaked out.

Lots to learn from all this for anyone with young adult kids on campus. Its not the laid back, mellow 70's vibe anymore.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
1) There is now CLEARLY more than 'just' the deaths of four kids. A million Bux ($ USD) says SOMEBODY is "concerned" over what either has YET to come out or what MIGHT come out.
2) The more we read, the more this looks "Exceedingly BAD" for the Townies and the school.
3) This is going to be a stone biatch when it all blows up. This is developing the ability to damage a LOT of people/politicians/parents etc.
4) The AG needs to STFU and let his office work the case the RIGHT way without his jogging their elbows. He just demonstrated that he has NO IDEA precisely WHAT his people are holding back to keep the investigation clean.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
1) There is now CLEARLY more than 'just' the deaths of four kids. A million Bux ($ USD) says SOMEBODY is "concerned" over what either has YET to come out or what MIGHT come out.
2) The more we read, the more this looks "Exceedingly BAD" for the Townies and the school.
3) This is going to be a stone biatch when it all blows up. This is developing the ability to damage a LOT of people/politicians/parents etc.
4) The AG needs to STFU and let his office work the case the RIGHT way without his jogging their elbows. He just demonstrated that he has NO IDEA precisely WHAT his people are holding back to keep the investigation clean.
He's NOT the current AG and he's NOT currently involved in the case. Deceptive Article headline.

"Dave Leroy, who previously served as the lieutenant governor of Idaho, attorney general and Ada County prosecuting attorney, told Fox News Digital that he was inside that house four years ago."
 

Taco Salad

Contributing Member
I'm curious to see what the cell maps show. How many kids this age do anything without a phone in their pocket? Even if the person that did this left their phone in their car it should show up on the map.

It is of course very possible that whoever did this left their phone at home but unless they have a very old car it should be showing pings also.

Map out the phone and car pings, look for something to be out of place, out in the woods, parked behind a closed business, whatever, and then go from there. I'm sure they've been doing it, but we aren't privy to it. Not that I think we should be but I wish that we were.
 

Tigerlily

Senior Member
Does anyone think they don't have the license plates for that car? If they have the plates, why haven't they released it. They would have the name of a person of interest. Why haven't they released that?

It worries me that the police seem to be acting sketchy on this. It is not in any way being handled as a normal investigation generally would.

With the way they are acting, and if there really were 4 people involved, it is likely either drug related or 5th column government related. It would explain the bizarre things done and undone in the investigation so far.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
I posted that as the former Atty General of the state felt obligated to weigh in on the case and say he had been in the murder house previously when a son of a client lived there. The link clearly states FORMER. We don't know if Jack S. is related to this previous Atty General, the current Atty General or ANY Atty General, but the previous one HAS gone on the record about the case. We also do not know for sure Jack was "adopted from Africa" or not. His sibling in the mom's facebook picture looks mulatto and could be adopted. And photos of big game kills may or may not have been taken on safari. They too have been scrubbed from FB. Rumors he had fled to Africa for Thanksgiving break may have been from his own family to protect him from retaliation by locals. There are rumors he has dropped his enrollment at the school, that has yet to be confirmed as well.

SPECULATION BY OTHERS: the city, the police and the univ. are all intimidated by this family and do not want the suspect to be Jack.

MORE SPECULATION BY OTHERS: The murderer(s) may have used the phones to try to lure the ex boyfriend to the house to kill him also, that seems a bit extreme. Maybe to set him up for the crimes. This was a pro wack job in and out in minutes.

FURTHER SPECULATION BY OTHERS: the 4 seen fleeing reflected off the hood of the police car on the body cam, were there for a gang rape of both girls upstairs asleep drunk that went horribly wrong and fled the scene.

I can see 4 bodies moving l. to r. in the shadows on copcam & don't think it was Rudolph but it might be reindeer games
 
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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Steve Goncalves breaks silence to Fox, its horrifying.


Idaho murders: Father of slain victim says she had 'big open wounds,' calls police 'cowards'​

Rebecca Rosenberg
Mon, December 12, 2022 at 9:54 AM


EXCLUSIVE: The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told Fox News Digital that the victims had "big open gouges"


The father of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told Fox News Digital that the victims had "big open gouges" that were clearly the work of a "sadistic male" and called police "cowards" for not sharing more with the public.

Steven Goncalves said he asked the coroner, Cathy Mabbutt, how many times the victims were stabbed.

"She says, sir, I don't think stabs is the right word, it was like tears, like this was a strong weapon, not like a stab," he told Fox News Digital Sunday.

"She said these were big open gouges. She said it was quick. These weren't something where you were going to be able to call 911. They were not going to slowly bleed out," he said.

Moscow police, working with the FBI and Idaho State Police, have yet to publicly name a suspect or recover the fixed-blade knife they believe was used in the horrific attack that has left the small college town reeling from grief

Goncalves said his daughter's injuries "definitely did not match" Mogen's wounds. "They may have individually died from the exact same thing, being stabbed, but there are more details," he added. "They're not even close to matching."

The knife slashed open Kaylee Goncalves' liver and lungs, he said.

The grieving father paid for a copy of his daughter's death certificate, which included some of the details of her injuries – but he doesn't know whether his daughter or Mogen were the targets. "I have my own suspicions," he said.

His daughter and Mogen were ambushed in their sleep and found in the same bed, according to the coroner.

Goncalves surmised that they died in Mogen's bedroom on the third floor because "there are photos of Kaylee's room with no blood on the bed."

He added that his investigators didn't obscure the windows in his daughter's room like they did for the other victims.

Kernodle, who had defensive wounds, and Chapin were found on the second floor of 1122 King Road. "It was a hell of a battle going on down there from what the coroner told us," Goncalves said.

The coroner told him that the perpetrator was a "strong individual," but police have yet to identify the suspect's gender.

"I got outraged by them not just coming out and saying this was a woman or a man because they should know by the amount of strength it took to deliver the injuries," he said. "They're just being cowards. There are girls walking around the street right now that deserve to know. They should be looking out for a sadistic male."
 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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The father is definitely NOT helping. I understand his grief, but he's very clueless about murder investigations. The police may have an idea whether the perp was male or female (odds are always going to be on male in a violent spree liie this, but you can't rule anything out until you find solid evidence.

Dad needs to shut about about details and let the cops work.

(Just one example... say the cops DO come out and state they "believe" the killer was a dark haired young man... and it turns out to be a strong red haired woman who was high on meth. Now, you've got a ton of ammo for a defense attorney... "the police announced early in the investigation that they were looking a dark haired man! Does my client fit that description in any way? Obviously, they were desperate to make an arrest, but *according to their own statements*, my client is not the kilier..

Reasonable doubt, on a china platter.

Summerthyme
 
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Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A wound from the lungs to the liver would have hit rib bone. Not easy to get through. Sounds like it was one swipe that laid her open. Maybe a special style of knife. Also the wounds don’t match. This implies more than one perp. What a mess they have going on in Idaho. Sounds like a hit and also sounds satanic. Police are running scared and you have a father that is trying to hunt down the killers himself. I can’t blame him as I would do the same if that happened to my daughter. None the less it complicates the case. That is if they really want to solve it.
 
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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Two different stabbing styles.

This case is an absolute dumpster fire for that city. Her dad just tossed gasoline on the embers today.

And the public is being toyed with, maybe even crowd sourced to solve it as the police hands are tied in some way?

This was uploaded on 11-20 to 4chan, a picture of surviving basement roomie Dylan and a poem about finding a gnome out in a field with map coordinates. And drawing of a magic mushroom spore behind her head.

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which resolves to this location outside of Moscow in a farm field, not far from Robinson Park

trailer park to the left of the yellow pin

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Crime Circus researcher is going thru all of Kaylee instagram posts he screenshot for every comment ever made

here a woman tries to warn Kaylee this is not wise, pic from her Hawaii trip

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City claims these were first homicides in 7 yrs since 'Prof.' Bustamante murdered his student/self

others say no, there have been several suspicious 'suicides' and overdoses besides Hannah last Feb.

this drowning from last May in Paradise Creek


and an abandoned white Elantra was recovered on Dec 10th, while cops are still asking for any info on this make/model?

someone ran the tag/plates and got a title issue date from a database

Feels like something much bigger, more conspirators involved is on verge of breaking soon.

Especially any allusions to mushroom psychedelics and a remote location in a farm field

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medic38572

TB Fanatic
He's NOT the current AG and he's NOT currently involved in the case. Deceptive Article headline.

"Dave Leroy, who previously served as the lieutenant governor of Idaho, attorney general and Ada County prosecuting attorney, told Fox News Digital that he was inside that house four years ago."
The current AG is a worthless piece of Boise Crap. We just elected Raul Labrador who will take over soon. If you all are talking about the newly elected LT Governor Scott Bedke he is a worthless bigger piece of Boise crap who was the recent speaker of the house of Reps and has been since 2012. He is a Rino badly.
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
A wound from the lungs to the liver would have hit rib bone. Not easy to get through. Sounds like it was one swipe that laid her open. Maybe a special style of knife. Also the wounds don’t match. This implies more than one perp. What a mess they have going on in Idaho. Sounds like a hit and also sounds satanic. Police are running scared and you have a father that is trying to hunt down the killers himself. I can’t blame him as I would do the same if that happened to my daughter. None the less it complicates the case. That is if the really want to solve it.
Bingo I called it weeks ago thru PM's with another member. There is more to what you said then you realize. I have not put it out there for the world to see except to a couple of members who were working diligently in posting.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
Yeah, this came out almost 24 hrs ago. Apparently some cray-cray "sixty year ole grannies who don't know how anything works, sleuthing or college" have really been more problematic than usual on the true crime sites. Not only spinning their theories on "facts" that they made up, misheard, or simply don't understand, but paying psychics out of their own pockets, then arguing with each other about the versions of the crime and submitting their favorite psychics "facts" to the tips line" :eek:

Bad enough when they turn around and waste time and financial resources by "calling in their info" which then has to be processed- but even worse, apparently some of those psychics have been doxing people named in the cases, giving out addresses, making up scenarios and spreading the info as "facts" etc. I don't think there is that much that can be done, legally, against those efforts, if the shame of wasting the resources, and of traumatizing kids who're most likely also just victims of the situation, and not the perpertraters.

Hopefully it will be nipped in the bud before we get another Richard Jewell, or some cray cray karen takes it into their own hands to "put the perp down" or someone is harrassed into suicide-
"submitting their favorite psychics "facts" to the tips line"

Where's Miss Cleo when they need her?
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
A wound from the lungs to the liver would have hit rib bone. Not easy to get through. Sounds like it was one swipe that laid her open. Maybe a special style of knife. Also the wounds don’t match. This implies more than one perp. What a mess they have going on in Idaho. Sounds like a hit and also sounds satanic. Police are running scared and you have a father that is trying to hunt down the killers himself. I can’t blame him as I would do the same if that happened to my daughter. None the less it complicates the case. That is if the really want to solve it.
Katana
 

jward

passin' thru
Bingo I called it weeks ago thru PM's with another member. There is more to what you said then you realize. I have not put it out there for the world to see except to a couple of members who were working diligently in posting.

That's the trouble- there are dozens of issues that do in truth exist and "might" but "might not" be in play in this tragic crime, from the townies vs gownies backdrop, to the religious right groups, the satanic groups, the FBI having local office the DNA business ramping up to be solutions to crime, to the "Q"non relationship between 11/22 (JFK death) to the address of 1122 on king (camlot) road to the sororities being on probation to the mysterious warnings from weeks ago to look at the fraternity, to the possibility of animal mutilations possibility of a stalker issue of drugs being sold, retribution for former room mates suicide or the prosaic "usual suspects" of the Boyfriend who was recently told the relationship was ending and the neighbor "hoodie guy" who'd recently had his own troubles with the fraternity, and women. . .

I'm certain that I missed a few, most aren't worth serious consideration anyway, being ginned up and amplified by a dishonest "media" who's only real concern is being sensationalistic and garnering clicks with their deliberately misleading, hateful, tabloid type click-bait.

Remember too, the SOB who did this is still presumably live, well, and feeding off the notoriety. Experience tells us he is not only watching and reading the media, he is likely scouring the internet as well to read and feed and reinforce his pathology. Every bit of hyped up breathless attention that is paid him only serves to strengthen and reward, and reinforce in his damaged mind that he is the smartest one in the room, smarter than the cops, the fbi, the foolish families and the idiot internet "sleuths".

I find that all the reason i need NOT to amplify the sensationalist and speculative elements of the event- then again, I've stood next to parents buring child sized coffins, so that's likely been reason enough for me to vehemently oppose the tragedy of re-victimizing those whose lives are forever and irrevocably destroyed by the original undeserved victimization.

Anyway, so much of what is ginned up by the breathless bobble heads is taken out of context, either in ignorance, or with deliberate malfeasance- Don't forget to hone discretion and common sense and always test your "known facts" against the actual known facts.

For instance, the news cycle that focused on the dad fixing the lock was apparently born, however innocently, from a misconstrued comment he made about his child "having changed A LOT". Likewise, another cycle focused on the girls calling the ex BF, when the facts of the matter were her own family told everyone who would listen "hey" that's just her, she power called, regardless of time or issue, until she got a response" Ditto the "stalker" reports, easily laid to rest. I don't know, but imagine that there are simple explanations and exculpatory facts available for most of the nonsense floating around, and that the biggest barrier to them being known is it would cut into # of clicks and eyes and not support those trying to build their brands in the blood, and on the backs of, these dead kids and their heartbroken mommas & poppas.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
If you have watched several seasons of "Forged in Fire" you know that there are more than a couple handfuls of weapons that could deliver that wound with not a lot of effort.
 

jward

passin' thru
"submitting their favorite psychics "facts" to the tips line"

Where's Miss Cleo when they need her?

I know, right. It'd be "almost" funny if the SOBs were not so pathetic, and if the SOB who committed the crimes was not out there, and for all we know building to his next performance, while selfish stunted asshats burn the resources needed to be used to ID, find, and stop him.

..and that's not a criticism of real psychics who've been able, willing or otherwise, to see aspects of crime. I myself have remote viewed, unintentionally, what proved to be a lethal assault and attempts to cover it up, thus the idea of what these creatures are doing is particularly repugnant to me.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have seen machetes with a sharpened hook on the end. Similar to hunting knives with a sharpened hook to gut a deer, elk, gut a fish. That particular wound was a message or a ritual. Still brute force to inflect such a wound what is being described as a single blow I don’t know about the other victims wounds. It occurred on two different floors. There would be plenty of bloody foot prints to follow.
The coroners report are public record and can be had on demand sometimes for a small fee here in Colorado. It can be released by the Coroner in a very simple version or the whole report. I have not heard of a judge sealing the report. Maybe they have? It looks like more than one weapon was used.
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
If you have watched several seasons of "Forged in Fire" you know that there are more than a couple handfuls of weapons that could deliver that wound with not a lot of effort.
I was going to say that as many chest wounds we have probably worked and needles we have stuck into the chest easily show's that it can be done with little to no effort at all. The rib cage will deflect either up or down or go straight with something that heavy with little ease at all. Considering the liver is right below or slightly posterior above the rib cage it would not be hard to penetrate both.
 
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