CRIME 4 Students Found Dead Near University Of Idaho - Male Suspect Arrested In Pennsylvania - Post #566

jward

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Folks upthread are suggesting they doubt one person could have committed the crimes.

Remember, the military trains to have people in and out when using blade work within what- 12-15 SECONDS per victim.

If you stay in the box, strike out repeatedly against asleep or unaware folk, it's going to be entirely too easy to deliver those numbers of lethal blows to that number of people.
He didn't have military training, but he was a boxer, right? The moves of staying in the box or window or whatever and punching out etc are not that dissimilar, I don't think.

The only question would be if he had the resolve when planning met practice to push through the horrible thing he was doing.
..given that he had lost 100 pounds and kicked an addiction, I'd say he is off the charts compared to most people, in the ability to set his mind to something and do it. : (

As to his asking if another was arrested, that is in no way a definite indication of anything. A half dozen reasons come to mind immediately, from concern given his fathers travels with him, to a dodge to throw reasonable doubt into the picture...

Also would note that the "visual snow" condition is apparently a real thing, and he's apparently really suffered with it for years prior to this massacre. Not sure what the ramifications of that are, but it isn't something that they have made up after the fact.
 

jward

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Pennsylvania unseals search warrant in Idaho killings​



STROUDSBURG, Pa. (AP) — Law enforcement officials seized dark clothing, medical gloves, a flashlight and other items from a Pennsylvania home where they arrested a graduate student charged with stabbing four University of Idaho students to death, according to newly unsealed court documents.
The records were made public Tuesday, two months after Pennsylvania State Police arrested Bryan Kohberger at his parents’ home in eastern Pennsylvania.

Kohberger, a 28-year-old former doctoral student at Washington State University, is charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary in connection with the stabbing deaths in Moscow, Idaho.
The bodies of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were found on Nov. 13, 2022, at a rental home across the street from the University of Idaho campus. The slayings shocked the rural Idaho community and neighboring Pullman, Washington, where Kohberger was a graduate student studying criminology at Washington State University.

Pennsylvania State Police swabbed Kohberger’s DNA and seized a silver flashlight, four “medical-style gloves,” a white Arizona Jean Co. T-shirt, a black Champion sweatshirt, a pair of black-and-white size 13 Nike shoes, black Under Armour socks, black Under Armour shorts and black Under Armour boxers, according to an inventory of the items.
The significance of the items, if any, was not immediately clear.

A roommate who lived in the home where the attack took place has told authorities she was awakened in the early morning hours of Nov. 13, opened her bedroom door and saw a masked figure clad in black clothing walking past her.
Kohberger’s preliminary hearing is scheduled for late June. He has yet to enter a plea.

Additional warrants from Kohberger’s arrest in Pennsylvania are due to be made public Wednesday.
Investigators seized stained bedding, strands of what looked like hair and a single glove — but no weapon — when they searched Kohberger’s Washington state apartment, according to documents released in January.
 

jward

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Anya
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Replying to @BrianEntin

LE collected sales transactions data from ka-bar company and resellers in late November/early December. They filed PCA on December 29. Looks like no connection was found in any of the purchase records. Ka-bar has confirmed they have no records before
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Doc1

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Anya
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Replying to @BrianEntin

LE collected sales transactions data from ka-bar company and resellers in late November/early December. They filed PCA on December 29. Looks like no connection was found in any of the purchase records. Ka-bar has confirmed they have no records before
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KaBar has sold millions of knives over the decades, the vast majority of them having been sold through cash and carry retailers. KaBar made the famous WWII Marine Corps fighting knife. Additionally, because they are popular and fairly expensive there is a brisk second-hand market for the knives. Finding a sales record of one person's purchase would be a real shot in the dark.

Incidentally, I'll share a little personal anecdcote about KaBar knives. I often look for quality kitchen knives in thrift stores and at yard sales and have amassed a nice little collection of chef-quality blades.

I was in a Salvation Army thrift store a few weeks ago and to my utter amazement I found a beautiful 13" KaBar chef's carving knife! I didn't even know that KaBar had made kitchen and chef's knives. Apparently, many years ago, they produced a short-lived line of high quality kitchen and chef's cutlery.

Needless to say, I picked up and bought that carving knife immediately, feeling like I'd won a small lottery. Best of all,it cost me a grand total of 50 cents.

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Doc1

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I'll note that this sad case may have been prevented if the deceased students had at least kept firearms in their rooms and had even modest training. Students or other persons who are under 21 and thus legally prevented from buying handguns could still have purchased shotguns. A close-range shotgun wound is a truly fearsome injury. It should also be noted that those under 21 can, in some cases, still legally possess handguns. They just can't buy them at a gun store.

Firearms are not magical devices with supernatural powers. They are machines with all of the limitations which that implies. Still, having one close at hand often prevents an attack by a criminal.

Now I will make an observation which may upset some people. While I'm not accusing any of the decedents of having used drugs or alcohol - though some of the news reports described their residence as a "party house" - I will note that drug and alcohol consumption dulls the senses. I've never been much of an illegal drug user and have not been a user at all since my teens, there has been more than one one night - okay, a LOT more than one night in my youth - where I went to bed blitz-faced drunk. Though I'm not asking for confessions, I assume that most of our board members have had at least some similar experiences.

One could have an arsenal in their bedroom, but if they are passed out drunk or drugged up they aren't going to hear an intruder in their bedroom. A murderer with a knife could be well into his stabbing and slashing attack before the victim even began to groggily and painfully awaken. From a personal security perspective, this is yet another reason not to go overboard on any intoxicant consumption.

Lastly I'll note that, if possible, keeping a pet dog represents both an excellent alarm system against intruders and - depending on the breed and size - can also be a formidable weapon.

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jward

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@Doc1,


I am jealous of your luck w/ the knife at the thrift store; are you one of those people who always makes out like a bandit? I need a shoppin partner w/ some luck- mine has all flown south, apparently : (

And yup, as we discussed up thread, and I pointed out, they needed better security. In my estimation, better perimeter security.. although they actually did have a dog, who was on scene and engaged.

I'm not sure even fire arms or blades on scene would have changed the outcomes- i happened to be sick when this broke, and someone was able to enter my room/bedside w/ a pot o' tea b4 I was roused- and at that point I would have been able to return some injury, but not prevent recieving it.

As we know there are just very few men who're trained to the level of being able to come out of a sleep and able to successfully defend- and those few who are so well trained and hyper alert/vigilent/responsive, as we also know, pay a horrible price, in many ways, all across the board, for it.

These kids also had room locks, on top of the dog, and unmolested roommates who "heard something" but did not piece togethr what was occurring or investigate in real time.

The sad take away, for me, has been the reminder that no matter what, we are all vulnerable if things break just wrong, or our assailants are that dedicated. More ugly truth.
 

Creedmoor

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@Doc1,


I am jealous of your luck w/ the knife at the thrift store; are you one of those people who always makes out like a bandit? I need a shoppin partner w/ some luck- mine has all flown south, apparently : (

And yup, as we discussed up thread, and I pointed out, they needed better security. In my estimation, better perimeter security.. although they actually did have a dog, who was on scene and engaged.

I'm not sure even fire arms or blades on scene would have changed the outcomes- i happened to be sick when this broke, and someone was able to enter my room/bedside w/ a pot o' tea b4 I was roused- and at that point I would have been able to return some injury, but not prevent recieving it.

As we know there are just very few men who're trained to the level of being able to come out of a sleep and able to successfully defend- and those few who are so well trained and hyper alert/vigilent/responsive, as we also know, pay a horrible price, in many ways, all across the board, for it.

These kids also had room locks, on top of the dog, and unmolested roommates who "heard something" but did not piece togethr what was occurring or investigate in real time.

The sad take away, for me, has been the reminder that no matter what, we are all vulnerable if things break just wrong, or our assailants are that dedicated. More ugly truth.
Any thought of ”security” never entered any of their innocent little minds.
 

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medic38572

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Bryan Kohberger Prosecutors Call for Backup in Idaho Student Murders Case​

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Two more prosecutors have been added to the team responsible for convicting quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger. Kohberger is accused of killing four University of Idaho students in November 2022. Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were found stabbed to death in their off campus home. If convicted, Kohberger could be sentenced to death. The Law&Crime Network's Jesse Weber breaks down the case.
 

jward

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Idaho murders: What we know about suspect Bryan Christopher Kohberger​


Kerry Breen

More than six weeks after four college students were slain in an off-campus home in Moscow, Idaho, police arrested a suspect, Bryan Christopher Kohberger, who is charged with their murders. The 28-year-old was arrested on a fugitive from justice warrant in Pennsylvania, police announced on Dec. 30, and extradited to Idaho, where he was formally charged Jan. 5.

Kohberger is facing four counts of first-degree murder and a count of felony burglary and is being held without bail.


Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death at an off-campus rental home during the early morning hours of Nov. 13, and the weeks that followed without an arrest gave rise to mounting national publicity as well as anxiety and speculation about who was responsible.

Monroe County chief public defender Jason LaBar, who represented Kohberger for his extradition hearing in Pennsylvania, told CBS News that police said they knocked on the Kohbergers' door around 3 a.m. Dec. 30, and both the parents and the suspect were "very cooperative." He said Kohberger would be represented by the chief public defender in Idaho's Kootenai County once in the state.


Kohberger was initially held without bond in the Monroe County Correctional Facility. He was extradited to Idaho on Wednesday, Jan. 4 after a brief hearing the day before. Kohberger was booked into the Latah County Jail in Idaho at 6:44 p.m. local time on Jan. 4.

Kohberger appeared in an Idaho court on Jan. 12, and a preliminary hearing was set for June 26. He waived his right to a speedy preliminary hearing, with his defense team asking the court for time to prepare for the case.

A grand jury indicted Kohburger on May 17 on the same four murder charges he was already facing, allowing prosecutors to bypass that week-long preliminary hearing. An arraignment hearing for Kohberger is set for May 22, an Idaho court spokesperson said.

Bryan Christopher Kohberger was taken into custody in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, on Dec. 30, 2022, in connection with the November murders of four University of Idaho students. Monroe County Correctional Facility
LaBar described the suspect's disposition during their meetings as "very calm."


"He's being very calm. He's very aware. He understands the proceedings," LaBar said. "I did discuss with him what to expect in the upcoming days on his transport, as well as what to expect when he actually returns to Idaho and is likely in front of a magistrate or a judge there."

The attorney also said that Kohberger denies allegations of his involvement in the killings, and believes that he will be exonerated.

"It is a little out of character, he said. I mean, this is not him," LaBar said. "He believes he's going to be exonerated, that's what he believes, those were his words. So, he's really been very easy to talk to actually, and he's in a calm demeanor like I stated."

Idaho authorities initially said state law limited how much information they can release about aspects of the quadruple homicide investigation that led them to Kohberger until the suspect appeared in an Idaho court.

Who is Bryan Kohberger?​

Kohberger was born on Nov. 21, 1994. In 2018, he finished an associate's degree in psychology at Northampton Community College, then went on to complete a bachelor's degree at DeSales University in 2020. He then did further graduate studies at the university, completing those in 2022, a representative for DeSales confirmed.

At the time of his arrest, Kohberger was a Ph.D. criminology student and teaching assistant at Washington State University's Pullman campus, which is only about a 15-minute drive from Moscow, Idaho. Kohberger had just finished his first semester at WSU, the school said in a statement.

In a separate statement released the following day, WSU's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology said it was "relieved that justice will be carried out."


"The Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology at Washington State University is aggrieved by the alleged horrendous acts of one of its graduate students," read the Dec. 31 statement, which was posted to the department's homepage on the university's website. "We are relieved that justice will be carried out. Our hearts are with the victims' families."

Moscow Police Chief James Fry confirmed in a news conference that Kohberger lived in Washington state, and the college said that university police assisted Idaho law enforcement officials in executing a search warrant at Kohberger's on-campus apartment and office.

"On behalf of the WSU Pullman community, I want to offer my sincere thanks to all of the law enforcement agencies that have been working tirelessly to solve this crime," said Elizabeth Chilton, chancellor of the WSU Pullman campus and WSU provost. "This horrific act has shaken everyone in the Palouse region."

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One of Kohberger's neighbors in Pullman, Washington, said the suspect spoke to him about the killings days after they occurred.

"He brought it up in conversation," the neighbor, who asked not to be identified, told CBS News on Jan. 11. "[He] asked if I had heard about the murders, which I did. And then he said, 'Yeah, seems like they have no leads. Seems like it was a crime of passion.'"

"At the time of our conversation, it was only a few days after it happened, so there wasn't much details out," the neighbor said.

A fellow graduate student in the criminology and criminal justice department at WSU told The Associated Press that the news of Kohberger's arrest was "pretty out of left field."


Ben Roberts said he took several courses with Kohberger after the two started the program together in August. Kohberger "was always looking for a way to fit in," Roberts told the AP.

Roberts said Kohberger would "find the most complicated way to explain something."

"He had to make sure you knew that he knew it," Roberts added.

LaBar described Kohberger as "very calm. He's very intelligent, and he was fairly shocked" by the arrest.

His parents were "just really shocked," LaBar said, and they said this is "out of character" for their son.

In a statement LaBar shared Jan. 1 on behalf of Kohberger's parents and two sisters, the family said they were praying for the families of the victims, and said they "have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies" in the investigation.

"First and foremost we care deeply for the four families who have lost their precious children. There are no words that can adequately express the sadness we feel, and we pray each day for them," Kohberger's family said in the statement. "There are no words that can adequately express the sadness we feel, and we pray each day for them."


"We will continue to let the legal process unfold and as a family we will love and support our son and brother," they added. "We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions. We respect privacy in this matter as our family and the families suffering loss can move forward through the legal process."

In an interview with NBC's "Today" show, LaBar said Kohberger's family is "obviously shocked" by the charges brought against him and "don't want to try this case in the court of public opinion," particularly because key details about the police investigation have not been released yet.

"They don't believe it to be Bryan. They can't believe this. They're obviously shocked. This is certainly completely out of character, the allegations," said LaBar. "And, really, they're just trying to be supportive with the understanding these four families have suffered loss and they're sympathetic towards that."

Where does the investigation stand?​

Kohberger is in jail in Latah County, Idaho, where he is being held without bail after his extradition from Pennsylvania. While the probable cause affidavit and other documents have shed some light on the investigation and how Kohberger was arrested, investigators have said they will not share much information publicly to avoid problems at trial.

The unsealed affidavit showed what investigators believe Kohberger did on the night of the brutal murders. One of the surviving residents said she saw a figure clad in black in the home, wearing a mask and walking towards her, after hearing crying noises. The figure, alleged to be Kohberger, walked past her and left the home. Analysis of surveillance footage showed that a white Hyundai Elantra, like the one that was seized when Kohberger was arrested, drove around the home several times between 3:29 a.m. and 4:04 a.m. before departing at a "high rate of speed" at 4:20 a.m., the affidavit said.

The police chief said some of the 19,000 tips that police received were integral to arresting Kohberger, but declined to say when he became a suspect or what brought him to their attention. Law enforcement sources told CBS News that forensic analysis allegedly linked Kohberger to the crime scene in Idaho, and the affidavit states that DNA was found on a knife sheath left at the scene of the murders.

Police also served a warrant on Kohberger's apartment in Washington state. While police still have not found a murder weapon, they did discover a reddish-brown stained pillowcase, a nitrite-type black glove and hair strands. Investigators had been hoping to find dog hair, because one victim owned a dog, which was at the scene of the crime.

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Those sources told CBS News that FBI agents had conducted surveillance operations on Kohberger in Pennsylvania, tracking his movements on the days before he was taken into custody. Fry, the police chief, said that it was a "fairly sleepless couple days" leading up to Kohberger's arrest.


"I have faith in those agencies across the nation, I have faith in our officers, I have faith in the FBI, and they did a great job," Fry said.

Fry said police have not found the murder weapon, but that they had recovered a Hyundai Elantra. Investigators said several weeks ago that they were looking for the occupant or occupants of a 2011-2013 white Hyundai Elantra that was "in the area" when the students were killed.

According to Kohberger's lawyer, Kohberger and his father drove home together from Pullman, Washington, to Pennsylvania in the Elantra. The drive took about two and a half days and had been pre-planned from when Kohberger started classes at Washington State University. The two arrived in Pennsylvania around Dec. 17, the lawyer said.

Fry declined to say if there was any possible connection between the victims and Kohberger, and did not share a motive for the killings. The probable cause affidavit does not provide any more information, but phone data records obtained through a search warrant showed the suspect's phone in the "coverage area" of 1122 King Road on at least 12 occasions before the murders took place.

"These murders have shaken our community and no arrest will ever bring back these young students. However, we do believe justice will be found through the criminal process," Fry said.
 

Babs

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His parents were "just really shocked," LaBar said, and they said this is "out of character" for their son.

I don't believe this for a moment. His family knows what he is capable of. They may not be able to admit it publicly, but they have a suspicion. His mother was crying her eyes out. I know full well that neither of my sons would be capable of something like this, and so my reaction would be anger, not crying and saying that this is "out of character" for him.
I would be screaming at the top of my lungs that my son didn't do this and they have the wrong person!

Something doesn't smell right with this family. BOTH of his sisters are in the psychological field. That, in itself, tells me a lot.
 
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jward

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Grand jury indicts man in 4 University of Idaho stabbing deaths, eliminating need for hearing​


REBECCA BOONE, Associated Press

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) — A grand jury has indicted a man who was already charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students, allowing prosecutors to skip a planned week-long preliminary hearing that was set for late June.

Bryan Kohberger was arrested late last year and charged with burglary and four counts of first-degree murder in connection with the Nov. 13, 2022, killings of Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves at a rental home near the University of Idaho campus. At the time, Kohberger was a graduate student studying criminology at nearby Washington State University, and the killings left the close-knit communities of Moscow, Idaho, and Pullman, Washington, reeling.

A preliminary hearing — where prosecutors must show a judge that there is enough evidence to justify moving forward with felony charges — had been scheduled to begin June 26. But on Tuesday, a grand jury indicted Kohberger on the same criminal charges, effectively rerouting the case directly to the state’s felony court level and allowing prosecutors to skip the preliminary hearing process.

Court documents have already detailed much of the investigation that prosecutors say ties Kohberger to the slayings. A white sedan allegedly matching one owned by Kohberger was caught on surveillance footage repeatedly cruising past the rental home on a dead-end street around the time of the killings. Police say traces of DNA found on a knife sheath inside the home where the students were killed matches that of the 28-year-old Kohberger. Investigators also contend that a cellphone belonging to Kohberger was near the victims’ home on a dozen occasions prior to the killings, though it was apparently turned off around the time of the early-morning attack.

Kohberger was arrested Dec. 30, 2022, at his parents’ home in eastern Pennsylvania, and law enforcement officials seized dark clothing, medical gloves, a flashlight and other items from the home, according to court documents. In Pullman, investigators seized stained bedding, strands of what appeared to be hair, and a single glove from his WSU campus apartment, according to another search warrant.
Still, the unsealed court documents do not appear to suggest a motive, nor whether the killer had specifically targeted any of the victims. It’s also not clear if prosecutors believe Kohberger had met any of the victims before the night they died.

Kernodle, Chapin, Mogen and Goncalves were friends and members of the university’s Greek system, and the three women lived together in the rental home just across the street from campus. Chapin — Kernodle’s boyfriend — was there visiting on the night of the attack. The killings left many of their classmates and residents of Moscow reeling with grief and fear.

Grand jury indicts man in 4 University of Idaho stabbing deaths, eliminating need for hearing
 

Babs

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I don't believe this for a moment. His family knows what he is capable of. They may not be able to admit it publicly, but they have a suspicion. His mother was crying her eyes out. I know full well that neither of my sons would be capable of something like this, and so my reaction would be anger, not crying and saying that this is "out of character" for him.
I would be screaming at the top of my lungs that my son didn't do this and they have the wrong person!

Something doesn't smell right with this family. BOTH of his sisters are in the psychological field. That, in itself, tells me a lot.

Apparently one of Brian's sisters has come out and said that because of the latex gloves, the white Elantra, and Brian's proximity to the crime scene, that she had suspected Brian, even before his arrest.
 
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jward

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hmm. I thought we'd already decided/known it was going to be a DP case, no?


Alexandra Duggan (Alex)
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#NEW: On the heels of the Moscow killings, the possible decision to file the death penalty still hangs in the air for #BryanKohberger.
One woman knows the process very well.

Tonight @ 10 you’ll hear about the process.
Tomorrow, you’ll hear her story.
If you want to know what the death penalty process in Idaho is, this is for you.
Everyone is waiting to see when or if prosecutors will file the death penalty for #BryanKohberger. But that decision is ENTIRELY up to the prosecutor:

What can they consider? How many victims there were. The cost. The time. The circumstances that make a crime more heinous in nature.
What circumstances make a crime more heinous in Idaho?
View: https://twitter.com/dugganreports/status/1672045721577738240?s=20
 

Doc1

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The place is all boarded up. It should be demolished. No one ever is going to want to live there.

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I have considered this conundrum in the past and don't have the definitive answer, but why exactly would people not live in a dwelling where a murder occurred?

Is it because a death occurred? People die in hospitals all the time, yet no one in their right mind suggests tearing them down. People often die at home (of natural causes), yet those homes or apartments are rarely, if ever torn down. Is it because a murder was committed there? There are countless dwellings and other structures where a murder was committed, but these structures are often left standing and are usually re-inhabited. If a single unit in an apartment complex was the site of a murder, I've never heard of an entire apartment complex being torn down because of it.

Is it because a murder was especially heinous or notorious? I can perhaps understand that somewhat more, but it does defy logic and rationality.

I'd be interested in hearing other reader's thoughts.

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mzkitty

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I have considered this conundrum in the past and don't have the definitive answer, but why exactly would people not live in a dwelling where a murder occurred?

Is it because a death occurred? People die in hospitals all the time, yet no one in their right mind suggests tearing them down. People often die at home (of natural causes), yet those homes or apartments are rarely, if ever torn down. Is it because a murder was committed there? There are countless dwellings and other structures where a murder was committed, but these structures are often left standing and are usually re-inhabited. If a single unit in an apartment complex was the site of a murder, I've never heard of an entire apartment complex being torn down because of it.

Is it because a murder was especially heinous or notorious? I can perhaps understand that somewhat more, but it does defy logic and rationality.

I'd be interested in hearing other reader's thoughts.

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Doc

Hmmm........... well I know where I live you must tell a prospective buyer/renter if a murder was committed there for a year after the event. Some people don't mind. I would very much mind, especially at a massacre like Idaho. Once about 25 years ago my downstairs neighbor stabbed a visitor like 13 times in the back. That really spooked me.
 

homecanner1

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lab results in conflict, one says no kohberger dna on sheath, other one says it does

this comment at GLP, not me but I agree 100 percent:

"....Fruit of the poison tree doctrine will come into play. Any evidence that leads back to the sheath will be excluded. Without it, they have nothing. Brian will walk free, Police department and individual cops will be sued but cops will use qualified immunity and not have to pay anything, City of Moscow taxpayers however will have to pay Brian millions of dollars. The real killers will never be caught....'

*******

Can't disagree with any of that but Moscow up next for national distraction duty.

Not worth wasting my time and attention
 

jward

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I have considered this conundrum in the past and don't have the definitive answer, but why exactly would people not live in a dwelling where a murder occurred?

Is it because a death occurred? People die in hospitals all the time, yet no one in their right mind suggests tearing them down. People often die at home (of natural causes), yet those homes or apartments are rarely, if ever torn down. Is it because a murder was committed there? There are countless dwellings and other structures where a murder was committed, but these structures are often left standing and are usually re-inhabited. If a single unit in an apartment complex was the site of a murder, I've never heard of an entire apartment complex being torn down because of it.

Is it because a murder was especially heinous or notorious? I can perhaps understand that somewhat more, but it does defy logic and rationality.

I'd be interested in hearing other reader's thoughts.

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Doc

I can speak to that. One issue is simply that you run the risk of sight seekers, lookie loos, and perhaps even unstable people becoming a problem that interferes in your ability to enjoy your property.
I can't recall where anyone unstable fixated on a prior crime scene and recommitted there- but given that there are many places to live, I'd consider that in my analysis of where to live.

Also, though I hate to suggest this, the truth is some of us ARE empaths, and able to pick up images and sounds and impressions of thoughts and actions that have occurred in the past. I to this day fight that I might be one of them, but can tell you at 19 I bought a home with a huge two story outbuilding that spanned the back of the property. I was so delighted to have a dance studio space of my own- not to mention the 3b2b historical home that was mine and mine alone that no one could ever kick me out of. . . my friends and men loved me, my job was interesting and I was showing great promise in the field, I had a sweet siamese and GS puppy to share home life with- in short I was beyond happy and life beyond fabulous. I've never before, then or since suffered depression. So imagine my surprise when images of hanging on those tall gorgous rafters in my outbuilding started to intrude :eek: WTF and then impressions of sexual abuse occuring in that space... fortunately I was next door to a church, and the priest and lay staff were able to educate me on the properties history, and others were able to help me cleanse the space, and learn how to protect myself- via morning and evening prayer and meditation rituals, and special prayers where i "cloak" myself, which almost completely takes care of any "leaking" I might pick up. I've had other homes where assaults have taken place, and nothing bled thru to me at all, but knowing it "could" I am, as I say in my signiture: "careful of the thoughts I think and the company I keep". Just in case.

hope that helps.
ETA in case it wasn't clear, there had been many cases of sexual assualt having occurred there, as well as, you guessed it, suicides by hanging, that were so far in the past that no one had mentioned them to me, and I was completely unaware of until later.
 
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‘Very Shocking’: Bryan Kohberger’s Lawyer Claims Accused Killer Has No Link to Idaho Student Murders

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Bryan Kohberger’s defense attorneys claim the accused killer has “no connection” to the four University of Idaho students who were stabbed to death in their off-campus home in November. Kohberger’s attorneys are focusing on the “total lack of DNA evidence” found in the suspect’s apartment, home, office, and vehicle. The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy breaks down the latest Idaho student murders developments with criminal defense attorney James Bogen.
 

Babs

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‘Very Shocking’: Bryan Kohberger’s Lawyer Claims Accused Killer Has No Link to Idaho Student Murders

So he just wears nitrile gloves around the house for the fun of it? He was shown to be in their area 12 times before the murders and came back to the area the morning after the murders. Lots of circumstantial evidence, along with the DNA evidence on the sheath.

The defense attorneys are doing their job, I guess.
 

medic38572

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So he just wears nitrile gloves around the house for the fun of it? He was shown to be in their area 12 times before the murders and came back to the area the morning after the murders. Lots of circumstantial evidence, along with the DNA evidence on the sheath.

The defense attorneys are doing their job, I guess.
I know, I know, remember the fella they killed over there in Pullman? I really wonder if he is tied into all this somehow. Not only that, but I mean the night that happened, the other guy getting killed by PPD I pointed out the possible Bryan Kohberger’s car in the parking lot. We just did not realize who he was yet! We knew the car they were looking for. But not a person. Remember when Bryan was caught, he asked if anyone else was arrested yet. I still believe there is someone else involved. Now they are saying they lifted other DNA from the house and run it through CODIS
 

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I know, I know, remember the fella they killed over there in Pullman? I really wonder if he is tied into all this somehow. I mean the night that happened, the other guy getting killed by PPD I pointed out the possible Bryan Kohberger’s car in the parking lot. We just did not realize who he was yet! We knew the car they were looking for. But not person. Remember when Bryan was caught, he asked if anyone else was arrested yet. I still believe there is someone else involved.

Yes, there is something strange with this case. Kaylee's dad is a strange character also....can't put my finger on what's bothering me about him, but he does have fed or law enforcement vibes, and he has put himself out there a LOT!
 

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Prosecutors seek the death penalty against man accused of slaying of 4 University of Idaho students​


FILE - Bryan Kohberger enters the courtroom for his arraignment hearing in Latah County District Court, May 22, 2023, in Moscow, Idaho. Prosecutors say they are seeking the death penalty against Kohberger, the man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November 2022. Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson filed the notice of his intent to seek the death penalty in court on Monday, June 26. (Zach Wilkinson/The Moscow-Pullman Daily News via AP, Pool, File)

FILE - Bryan Kohberger enters the courtroom for his arraignment hearing in Latah County District Court, May 22, 2023, in Moscow, Idaho. Prosecutors say they are seeking the death penalty against Kohberger, the man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death in November 2022. Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson filed the notice of his intent to seek the death penalty in court on Monday, June 26. (Zach Wilkinson/The Moscow-Pullman Daily News via AP, Pool, File)

BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Prosecutors say they are seeking the death penalty against a man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year.

Bryan Kohberger, 28, is charged with four counts of murder in connection with the deaths at a rental house near the Moscow, Idaho, university campus last November. Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson filed the notice of his intent to seek the death penalty in court on Monday.

A not-guilty plea was entered in the case on Kohberger’s behalf earlier this year. A hearing in the case is scheduled for Tuesday.
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The bodies of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were found on Nov. 13, 2022, at a rental home across the street from the University of Idaho campus. The slayings shocked the rural Idaho community and neighboring Pullman, Washington, where Kohberger was a graduate student studying criminology at Washington State University.

Police released few details about the investigation until after Kohberger was arrested at his parents’ home in eastern Pennsylvania early Dec. 30, 2022. Court documents detailed how police pieced together DNA evidence, cellphone data and surveillance video that they say links Kohberger to the slayings.

Investigators said traces of DNA found on a knife sheath inside the home where the students were killed matches Kohberger, and that a cellphone belonging to Kohberger was near the victims’ home on a dozen occasions before the killings. A white sedan allegedly matching one owned by Kohberger was caught on surveillance footage repeatedly cruising past the rental home around the time of the killings.
But defense attorneys have filed motions asking the court to order prosecutors to turn over more evidence about the DNA found during the investigation, the searches of Kohberger’s phone and social media records, and the surveillance footage used to identify the make and model of the car. The motions are among several that will be argued during the hearing Tuesday afternoon.

In an affidavit filed with the motions, defense attorney Anne Taylor said prosecutors have only provided the DNA profile that was taken from traces found on the knife sheath, not the DNA profiles belonging to three other unidentified males that were developed as part of the investigation.

Defense attorneys are also asking for additional time to meet case filing deadlines, noting that they have received thousands of pages of documents to examine, including thousands of photographs, hundreds of hours of recordings, and many gigabytes of electronic phone records and social media data.

Idaho law requires prosecutors to notify the court of their intent to seek the death penalty within 60 days of a plea being entered. In his notice of intent, Thompson listed five “aggravating circumstances” that he said could qualify for the crime for capital punishment under state law; including that more than one murder was committed during the crime, that it was especially heinous or showed exceptional depravity, that it was committed in the perpetration of a burglary or other crime, and that the defendant showed “utter disregard for human life.”

If a defendant is convicted in a death penalty case, defense attorneys are also given the opportunity to show that mitigating factors exist that would make the death penalty unjust. Mitigating factors sometimes include evidence that a defendant has mental problems, that they have shown remorse, that they are very young or that they suffered childhood abuse.

Idaho allows executions by lethal injection. But in recent months, prison officials have been unable to obtain the necessary chemicals, causing one planned execution to be repeatedly postponed. On July 1, death by firing squad will become an approved back-up method of execution under a law passed by the Legislature earlier this year, though the method is likely to be challenged in federal court.

 

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3 Shocking Details From Bryan Kohberger Hearing in Idaho Murders​

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The trial for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students, may not start until the summer of 2025. His defense attorney also said she still doesn't understand how Kohberger was identified as a suspect more than a year after his arrest. Law&Crime's Angenette Levy talks with attorney Mark Weaver, who has prosecuted death penalty cases, about the developments in this episode of Crime Fix — a daily show that delves into the biggest stories in crime.
 

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Kohberger trial could be pushed to 2025​


Judge to contemplate trial date for quadruple murder suspect, dismisses an attempt to appeal the indictment to Idaho Supreme Court​


The Bryan Kohberger trial could be pushed back to summer 2025 depending on what the Latah County District judge decides.

Judge John Judge heard arguments Friday from the prosecution and defense attorneys in the quadruple homicide case about when to schedule the trial. At the end of Friday’s hearing, Judge said he needed more time to decide.
Kohberger faces four counts of first-degree murder and one count of burglary in the November 2022 stabbing deaths of University of Idaho students Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. He faces the death penalty if convicted.

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson argued to schedule the trial as soon as summer of this year. He chose the summer months to avoid conflict with Moscow High School, which neighbors the Latah County Courthouse, and so hotels in the area will have enough availability for people visiting for the trial.

Kohberger’s attorney Anne Taylor argued that the trial needs to be delayed until summer 2025. Taylor said she needs more time to sort through the massive amount of potential evidence in the case while preparing for a trial.

She said her team has received 51 terabytes of information including photos, documents and videos. While she did not offer specifics, Taylor said there is one particular “important” video that she needs to review.

Taylor said there are more than 400 potential witnesses in the case and her team has talked to less than 10% of them so far. They also need to talk to experts, sort through thousands of law enforcement tips and learn everything they can about Kohberger’s “life story.”

Taylor claimed that the police report detailing law enforcement’s investigation does not clearly show why the police focused on Kohberger.

Taylor said she believes the trial will likely take as long as 12-15 weeks.

Thompson acknowledged the complexity of the case, but said he wants to provide closure to the victims’ families in a timely manner.

Judge did not make a decision Friday, but said it is “really hard for me right now” to set a trial for 2025.

It has been more than a year since Kohberger was arrested, and Judge said it is “demoralizing” to think about having a trial so far in the future. He also expressed sympathy for the victims’ families for having to wait that long.

Judge stressed that it is his goal to only have one trial, though he acknowledged that if Kohberger is convicted, there will likely be multiple appeals.

Taylor also told Judge on Friday that she plans to file a motion to change the venue of the trial. Thompson argued that is not necessary because of the widespread attention this case has received. He said it will be difficult to find a county where people are unfamiliar with Kohberger.

Thompson believes they can select an appropriate panel of jurors from Latah County, and that the court owes it to the community to have the trial in Moscow.

Judge on Friday also decided to dismiss Kohberger’s second attempt to appeal his indictment.

The suspect’s indictment in May is what led to his arraignment in Latah County District Court. Kohberger’s team has argued that the grand jury received wrong instructions about the standard of proof for indicting Kohbeger.

Kohberger’s attorney Jay Logsdon previously argued that the burden of proof should have been higher than probable cause. Judge dismissed this argument last month in a written opinion that was based on the Idaho Constitution and legislative history.

Logsdon on Friday asked for Judge’s permission to appeal this issue to the Idaho Supreme Court.
Attorney Jeff Nye, who is part of the prosecution team, said this would put the case on pause while the Supreme Court is reviewing the indictment and further delay the trial.

Judge denied permission to appeal to the Supreme Court. Judge said he remained confident that the grand jury acted correctly, and that the probable cause standard of proof is rooted in settled law.
He also shared Nye’s concerns about delaying the case any further.

Earlier this month, Judge signed an order placing more restrictions on people who attend Kohberger’s hearings in person. Those who attended Friday were not allowed to record the hearing with any electronic devices and cellphones were not allowed to be used for any purpose. Reporters were allowed to use their laptops, but only to take notes.

Judge is allowing the courtroom’s own cameras to broadcast the hearings online. Friday marked the first Kohberger hearing that was livestreamed on Judge’s YouTube page at bit.ly/3SzJFTd.

 
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