CRIME 4 Students Found Dead Near University Of Idaho - Male Suspect Arrested In Pennsylvania - Post #566

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Obit, not clear to me as to cause of death.

*snip*

It is with great sadness that our beloved son, Brent Lee Kopacka, went to heaven Thursday, Dec. 15, 2022, as a result of a traumatic brain injury sustained in combat in Afghanistan, which led to a 16-year ongoing battle with severe PTSD. Brent was born Oct. 4, 1986.


Sounds like suicide, IMHO
 

mzkitty

I give up.
If you can find the truth at the bottom of this viper pit, good luck. Even the players are getting played this time.


I was warned by much wiser people that this is an old 60's coven mess and I fully believe them. If vendettas are playing out against grandkids, I would believe that too. Greed does hideous things to people, esp. if they think young females are up for grabs as brood sows or potential to merchandize them on Only Fan$. I will not be surprised if Dylan is silenced or compromised to testify in some way and that Kohberger ends up walking. It has bad mojo written all over it. Rev. Wilson is correct, its a battle for the soul of this community. Good may not prevail there.

and that Kohberger ends up walking

No. His DNA is on that knife sheath which had no earthly reason to be there.
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
I'm telling you, I feel like someone else was involved I have the entire time. I even said were these 2 together. Did he have a breakdown and that caused him to do what he did. He may not be involved at all. But the more we see sometimes the more it looks like he had help. I was sent a possible copy of the ring recording to listen too. The one the news has been reporting on in their print. Sounds just exactly like what is being reported. It was pretty disturbing to me listening to it. It will be bad enough when and if the jurors hear it!
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Redditers are going off into the weeds re: Brady defense as a potential strategy of Kohberger, that tipsters are flooding the police line intentionally, (this triggered by who called 911 on Brent in Pullman WA). Shenanighans are ongoing.

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RUMOR: the lead investigator for the Idaho 4 Moscow case was in the 82nd Airborne, deployed with Brent. Personally,
I think the problems with the Moscow police dept date back to the 70's before the current crop of officers were born. The drug issues on campus were long term since the late 60's and as stated on chans, it was always Canadian drug pipeline of suppliers in the past but arrivals of Mex cartels into northern Cali created gang rivalry, turf struggles.


this is an absolute mess

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jward

passin' thru
Not the WE know about...
They wouldn't have gone forward with the PCA if there was any whiff of an other involved.
That blows the case to inject probable doubt.

Of course, we "could" write that off as more conspiracy, but at what point does the idea that all this other nonsense is true, and just being covered up, start to seem a wee bit far fetched- especially since the DNA, the pings, the video, the audio, the cars transit, two living witnesses etc are all available.

Remember, the four chans and reddit etc are one part boys living in mommies or their wives basements, and one part alphalphabytes, and the face book groups are predominately the boxed beverage board broad of a certain age group who thought paying psychics and then cluttering up the tips hot line was a move that passed mental and moral litmus test.

On the other hand, the psychopathology of the killer is unfolding in a different manner than we expected, and there are more doubts, and more sympathy the more that becomes known.
 

jward

passin' thru
Was anyone else’s dna on sheath< like Brent’s?
leather is said to do an excellent job of retaining DNA, so there may well be something else there on the sheath. his was found on the button that opens and closes the holder, which is metal.
So he is charged with this crime and no motive as to why he did it
They sealed the findings from his apt- "to protect people" so though there is information that begins to answer that question, it's just not made it's way out to any credible sources yet.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
The 4:00 am door dash delivery is my red flag, someone else could have entered into the kitchen while the driver was at the door step. There was early speculation the fitness center in Moscow was where all the involved crossed paths, the Greeks/Jocks, the campus police, the ex .mil, the hottie babes. That undercover were monitoring drug movement thru the community there. There are over 350 pgs now at 4chan and I did not screenshot that anecdote.

now for Woo

We can write off as nonsense but Bryan's sister Amanda was in a horror slasher flick in 2010 set among college forestry students. Bryan has a rap song on youtube. Kill the Clones was on youtube a couple days before the murders (indie low budget slasher project about a man sick of his girlfriend's clones and hires a hitman to kill them) and was immediately scrubbed. The murders took place on Manson's birthday as some bizarre tribute to Charlie and siphon off the echo of that travesty, parasite off the dark energy.

Bryan's mother was anti Trump, anti death penalty, even for scum like Ted Bundy. BK or any accomplices get no mercy or sympathy from me. Nor that PTSD and witnessing too much misery like Pappa Rodger did, is somehow a freepass to turn into a wolverine in our midst. Brent got sucked into this werewolf vortex too and it ate him alive, suicided by cop. Dylan will be lucky to escape with her life.

whoever is posting at 4chan "77 percent chance of Lycanthropy involved" is probably closest to understanding the mind of the killer

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who does this on the girl's balcony?

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her testimony will be interesting

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last night's Midnight Radio listeners tracked down the Exar reference mentioned in the Bryan Kohberger rap lyrics and emailed it to Jerry. Its a character from Star Wars, lol. No really.

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"Exarr Music"

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"Led from a Desert Eagle"
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Sarahosborne184 deleted all her instagram account/comments, but I saw a couple of them she made *after* the murders on Kaylee and Maddie's instagrams before they disappeared, they were on the scathing side. Which is why everyone immed. latched onto the short film and timing of its release/subject matter on the 12th.

Thanks to whatever bored winebox facebook mom that saved this Tik Tok screenshot to the Facebook discussion group, this was mid November, there were several others. Reddit r/Moscow Murders has scrubbed anything with personal names mentioned, now says "content removed by moderator"

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the full interaction with Sarahosborne184 about 'playing with their naked bodies', this has since been scrubbed too

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so what was this Kill the Clones short film, apparently someone actually caught it before it got scrubbed and gave a description. Likely it will re emerge in some clandestine form at some point, maybe after the trial.

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some more from Quornhub (rhymes with pornhub) screenshot and saved at 4chan, he was tagteaming with Sarah in the vengeful post murder commentary directed on their instagrams, here is an interaction with Autumn Goncalves

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These people were local to Idaho and probably not part of Kohbergers east coast 'orbit', they come off like Boise townies who went to high school with the girls or former co workers.

Nonsense? Perhaps. Sarahosborne184 scrubbed her instagram, but that was all preserved on their web server that she did in fact harass the dead girls socials in the 36 hrs after the news broke while the families were in shock.

Its now screenshot and saved here to the thread for reference during the upcoming trial.
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I'm telling you, I feel like someone else was involved I have the entire time. I even said were these 2 together. Did he have a breakdown and that caused him to do what he did. He may not be involved at all. But the more we see sometimes the more it looks like he had help. I was sent a possible copy of the ring recording to listen too. The one the news has been reporting on in their print. Sounds just exactly like what is being reported. It was pretty disturbing to me listening to it. It will be bad enough when and if the jurors hear it!
I agree... One person to pull this off would take an incredible string of events. While not impossible, with two people it becomes easy.
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
They wouldn't have gone forward with the PCA if there was any whiff of an other involved.
That blows the case to inject probable doubt.

Or maybe, like the 'magic bullet', they just want to pin the crime on a single person? A lot easier to prosecute...
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Moscow not happy with Nancy Grace showing up with her film crew at the murder house, not to be outdone by NBC Dateline. The memes are going viral. This is the 'girl scout cookies for sale, fill my piggybank' meme.

This comment, they've had enough of the 'tomfoolery'....

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I sense a disturbance in the force, maybe ca$hing in is not such a good idea these daze...

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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Oh I agree about 4chan, the misogyny is off the chain there. But those are screenshots from Reddit and Facebook they are crossposting and simultaneously mocking/trashing! The necrophilia comment by sarahosborne184 was originally from Reddit and since scrubbed, for obvious reasons. There was some real rage unleashed at those dead girls, makes you wonder.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
I’m listening to a youtube on the Drunk Turkey Show channel

View: https://youtu.be/3IEuEKQCeo0


Caller close to Bryan Kohberger case calls in with ..., Part 2
RT: 37:40

A caller and mother of two university students was privy to communications between Dylan and other students before the cops were called. 1122 was a notorious drug house, and they delayed calling until after they removed drugs from the house. Kohberger was with two other guys outside the house and one of them may have entered the house with Kohberger. The caller also mentioned that details of the story changed, such as where Dylan was when she encountered Kohberger. They also mentioned a sealed warrant that may suggest the possibility of an accomplice.

Edited to add that everything shared with the DT channel was also shared with law enforcement.
 
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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Rumors more may be brought in for questioning, no confirmation. Could be quiet, below radar on the holiday???

Maddie kept a pair of pink cowboy boots on her bedroom window sill, visible to apt. complex beside them, some speculate this is like a form of the athletic shoes dangling off power lines, implying 'get your hook up here'.
Maddie bedroom being the local 'runner' connection.

From Fox news



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Oreally

Right from the start
do people sit on death row for 25 years in Idaho?

or have there even been any executions there since 1977?
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
do people sit on death row for 25 years in Idaho?

or have there even been any executions there since 1977?
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Looks like 1 in 2011 and 1 in 2012 were the only 2 since 1976 and there are only 8 men and 1 woman on the death list at this time.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
*sigh*

it never ends

Have been busy elsewhere and missed this with Megyn Kelly and Marcia Clarke, Possibility of a Co-Defendant

in general I would agree Megyn is fairly reliable. If Marcia is re surfacing to weigh in, then there is substance to the rumor


4 days ago, 8:42 RT

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYrFn_P9bT0


and now some selected screenshots among the 1300 comments, mainly locals saying someone was in the car with Bryan, possibly a security guard and that Bryan's (sister? mom? aunt?) has posted to a FB discussion group re: an accomplice.

Video uploaded 4 days ago still generating comments as of 9 hrs ago, saved here for reference purposes.

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re Bryan's statement upon arrest, has anyone else been arrested?


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disturbing comment from WS PHX7500

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medic38572

TB Fanatic

Idaho Student Murders: Most Notable Weaknesses in Bryan Kohberger's Affidavit

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ncBvZ34wI

RT13:50

Criminal defense attorney Lara Yeretsian identifies the most notable weaknesses in Bryan Kohberger's affidavit that the accused Idaho student murderer's defense should attack. The Law&Crime Network's Jesse Weber discusses these weaknesses with Yeretsian, who helped defend convicted murderer Scott Peterson.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Rumors in the early days were rampant the slasher was wearing a go pro but that's woo territory....

The whole case will hinge on the DNA on the sheath and whether Dylan can effectively testify she saw him in the hallway.
 

Thunderdragon

Senior Member

Accused University of Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger slid into one of the girl’s direct messages on Instagram just weeks before the four students were killed in their beds, a report said Tuesday.

An Instagram account that belonged to Kohberger repeatedly sent Instagram messages to one of the college students found dead — but she never returned his advances, an investigator close to the case told PEOPLE.

“He slid into one of the girls’ DMs several times but she didn’t respond,” the anonymous source said. “Basically, it was just him saying, ‘Hey, how are you?’ But he did it again and again.”

The message were reportedly sent in October
 

mzkitty

I give up.
OK, I'm not going to copy the whole thing in bits and pieces.

Here's a summary:

Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger’s search warrants unsealed​

January 18, 2023 3:30pm​

Washington State University Police recovered a possibly blood-stained mattress cover, human hairs, a glove and a computer from University of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger’s apartment, according to a search warrant unsealed in Washington Court on Wednesday.

Police executed a search warrant at the 28-year-old Ph.D student’s residence and office at Washington State University in Pullman on Dec. 29, the same day as Pennsylvania police and a SWAT team had raided his parents house and taken him into custody in the early hours of the morning.

According to the search warrant, the Washington State University Police also seized two cuttings from an uncased pillow with a “reddish/brown stain,” one “nitrite type black glove,” eight possible hair strands, a possible animal hair strand and other evidence including possible blood stains, which were sent to a lab for testing, which could all potentially link Kohberger to the crime scene.

Police also found shoes with diamond-pattern soles — matching footprints found at the murder scene — as well as “data compilations” of information about the victims.

Kohberger was subsequently charged with masterminding and carrying out the vicious Nov. 13 killing spree in Moscow, Idaho — a ten minute drive from his residence — which saw four defenseless students knifed to death as they slept.

The FBI had earlier trailed Kohberger as he drove from Washington to his home state with his father for the holidays. Once there detectives staked him out and collected a sample of DNA from the family’s trash which matched DNA found on a knife sheath left at crime scene, which gave the police the last piece of evidence they needed to issue an arrest warrant.

It was later revealed police said they had zeroed in on Kohberger after identifying a car near the crime scene, which matched the description of his own car, a Hyundai Elantra, which he also used to drive back to Pennsylvania. They then obtained phone records which placed him at the location of the murders on at least 12 occasions.

The warrant the Washington University police prepared, which was signed off on by a judge, listed the things they were looking for which included: Blood, or other bodily fluid or human tissue or skin cells, or items with those on them; knives, sheaths, or other sharp tools including any dagger, dirk, or sword, images of the victims, their roommates and their home, clothes and data devices such as computers or phones which could contain information about the victims or plans for murder.

Kohberger has now been charged with four counts of murder over the deaths. Best friends Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen, both 21, were stabbed while in the same bed on the third floor of their house, while Xana Kernodle and boyfriend Ethan Chapin, both 20, were killed in a bedroom on the second floor of the property.

This is a developing story, check back for updates

 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
A YouTuber & channeler (Rev. Donna Seraphina) claimed that Kohberger has naturally reddish hair and dyes it brown.

She said that he covered the knife in linen and buried it and also buried a piece of a body nearby.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Hmm, I don't know how much of this is already posted, but it will be good to have.
Perp really was a creep around women:

:dvl2:

Idaho Murders Update About the Suspect: New Revelations Case Continues​

February 14, 2023

The University Of Idaho Murders Update: Investigation of the Suspect’s Behavior and the Newest Revelations as Case Continues

Idaho Murders Update: Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20, were all killed in a quadruple homicide three months ago. As the suspected killer, Bryan Kohberger remains in jail awaiting his preliminary hearing on June 26, more details about the case continue to emerge, including details about Kohberger’s disturbing and concerning behavior leading up to the killings, new potential evidence against him, and even an answer to a burning question involving one of the survivors and why she did not report the crime until the next day.

Here are some shocking details about the Idaho killings.

Bryan Kohberger Had an “Altercation” with His Professor Early in the School Year​

According to a new New York Times investigation, Kohberger began having problems at Washington State University, where he was studying for his Ph.D., shortly after the academic year began. In reality, according to a termination letter acquired by the journal, he had an “altercation” with John Snyder, the W.S.U. professor, he was aiding, on Sept. 23.

Bryan Kohberger Was A Professor At WSU Before The Idaho Murders

Department authorities met with him on November 2nd, 11 days before the killings, to discuss an improvement plan. On December 9, after the deaths, he had a second “altercation” with the professor.

Bryan Kohberger Was Accused of Making Female Students Feel “Uncomfortable”​

Kohberger reportedly made several female students feel uneasy in the weeks preceding up to the killings. According to The New York Times, his conduct was reported to professors.

According to two reports, one of the incidences had him following a woman to her car. The school, however, found him not guilty of any misconduct regarding the woman.

Bryan Was Terminated From His TA Job Prior to His Arrest


According to the termination notice acquired by the Times, Kohberger was fired as a teaching assistant, his compensation was slashed, and he “had not made progress regarding professionalism.”

According to three sources, he received an official letter saying that he had failed to satisfy the requirements necessary to keep his financing under the programme.

One of the Survivors Reportedly Mistook Bryan Kohberger as a Party Guest​

According to an exclusive source, one of the surviving witnesses, identified as DM in the affidavit, believed the guy she saw in the corridor was a party participant.

According to the source, who claims to have talked directly with DM, she shouted about the noises she heard during the deaths because she mistook them for late-night partying. She said she initially heard sounds at 4 a.m. She shouted as she opened her door, “slow down, you’re being noisy!” and “I’m trying to sleep!”

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Discredited For Party House Noise Complaints

According to the source, she then shut and locked her door. She opened the door again later in the night after hearing additional loud noises.

She wasn’t scared when she saw the man with “bushy eyebrows” going down the corridor. “She imagined he was there as a guest of the other housemates who were partying,” a source told NewsNation.

Those who knew him have spoken out about him, disclosing terrifying facts to the press, and even those who only saw him about campus or town have given their tales, providing some insight into what he was like as a person. Here are the most disturbing new developments in the Idaho murder investigation.

According To Source: Kohberger Was Lingering Around the University Studen Union​

Kohberger had been hanging around at the University of Idaho student union for weeks, according to three different sources.

A sophomore told People magazine that she spotted him sipping water alone in the Student Union’s food court. “He was the sort to fix his gaze on something.

If you caught him gazing, he wouldn’t look away. He seemed to want you to realise that he was staring at you “Chelsea, the girl who identified herself, told the magazine.

“He didn’t even grin, nod, or say anything. I just stared “She stated. “I instructed my companion not to be suspicious, but to gaze at him, because the eye contact was bothering me.”

“It was so strange that we ended up leaving and eating outside because we wanted to get away from him,” Chelsea continued.

Bryan Allegedly Harrassed Women at Bars
According to the proprietor of Pennsylvania’s Seven Sirens Brewing Company, Kohberger sat alone at the bar “observing and watching” guests, and he even harassed women. Employees even made a note of him in the business system.

“‘Hey, this man makes strange comments, keep an eye on him,’ said staff. He’ll have two or three drinks and then become a bit too relaxed “Jordan Serulneck, the 34-year-old owner, explained.

Victim Kernodle Reportedly Faught Back
According to sources, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen were murdered first, followed by Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle on the second story.

They further stated that Chapin was assassinated in the doorway of Kernodle’s room and that Kernodle fought back. They allege she seized the suspect’s knife, causing serious scratches to her fingers.

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger, Returned To Crime Scene

Bryan Kohberger Applied for an Internship with the Police​

Kohberger applied for an internship in the fall of 2022, according to Pullman police. He authored an article stating he intended to aid “rural law enforcement organisations with how to properly gather and evaluate technical data in public safety operations,” according to court filings.

Police Have ‘No Record’ Of Whether Bryan Kohberger Was Offered An Internship Position

The Suspect DMs Several Times to the two girl victim​

According to a People magazine investigation, an Instagram account thought to belong to Kohberger began sending messages to one of the victims in late October, but she never answered.

Idaho 4 Student Killer Bryan Kohberger Followed All Three Female Idaho Victims On Instagram

“He slid into one of the girls’ direct messages multiple times, but she didn’t answer,” an unnamed insider stated.

“Essentially, he was simply saying, ‘Hey, how are you?’ But he did it again and over again.” They went on to say: “She might not have noticed them since they were buried under message requests.

We’re still trying to figure out how much the victims knew about him.” The insider noted that there was “no sign that he was growing upset with her lack of reaction,” but “he was obviously persistent.”

The DNA result of the suspect Was Out in the World​

An unnamed source told the Idaho Statesman that Kohberger had donated his DNA for genetic testing, according to a Washington State University graduate student residing in his apartment complex.

“He talked about his forefathers,” the neighbour, 30, added. “He had some type of DNA test. I’m not sure how he got to that position. It was simply intriguing to him.”

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Sent DNA For Genetic Testing

A “Reddish-Brown” stain was discovered in Kohberger’s apartment by police.​


The search warrant was unsealed this week, with investigators stating that they believed the evidence was in Kohberger’s apartment, which included “blood, or other bodily fluid, or human tissue or skin cells” or items with blood or fluid on them, stabbing weapons (including a “sword”), and “trace evidence” such as DNA and “hair (whether human or animal/dog).”

Many things were seized, including a black nitrite-type glove, a vacuum cleaner dust canister, 13 potential hair strands – one of which may belong to an animal, a “Fire TV” stick, a pillow with a “reddish/brownish stain,” and a computer tower.

Kohberger allegedly had “grandiose delusions” and “crazy thoughts.”​

According to the New York Times, Kohberger allegedly posted on an internet message board when he was younger, certain he had visual snow syndrome, an illness that causes people to perceive static.

He allegedly blogged under the alias “exarr” between November 6, 2009, and February 20, 2012. Kohberger reportedly posted 118 postings on the forum as a youngster under the moniker “exarr.”

“I’ve been suffering with VS [visual snow] since September 21st, 2009. Since then, I’ve changed, owing mostly to my anxiousness, sense of derealization, and hopelessness “He allegedly wrote in January of 2011.

“I’ve become quite serious and focused on my ambitions. It improved my intelligence “In April 2011, he spoke about the advantages of visual snow syndrome.

Bryan Acted Alone In Court​


Duncan Levin, a former deputy district attorney in the Manhattan DA’s office and an attorney at Levin&Associates, shot off reports that Kohberger had a criminal partner named after his attorney.

Ann Taylor, according to Levin, filed a discovery request in the case, requesting that the judge order the prosecution to turn over all information in the case within 14 days, including “statements of co-defendant.

“Any written or recorded statements by a co-defendant, as well as the substance of any relevant oral statement made by a co-defendant, whether before or after arrest in response to interrogation by any person known by the codefendant to be a peace officer or agent of the prosecuting attorney, or which are otherwise relevant to the offence charged,” according to the filing. According to Levin, this was merely a process.

“These are just pretty normal demands as part of the discovery request from the defence,” he told The Independent.

 

mzkitty

I give up.
Disgusting.

:dvl2:

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February 23, 2023

According to a person close to the investigation, the guy Bryan Kohberger suspected of murdering four University of Idaho students last November had images of one of the female victims on his phone.

Bryan Kohberger’s phone was recovered after his detention. Authorities discovered images of the victim on the device, according to the source. The source did not disclose whether the photographs were shot by him or were acquired from her social media.

“He had more than one image of her,” according to the source. “He was clearly paying attention to her.”

Madison Mogen, 21, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Ethan Chapin, 20, were all stabbed to death on November 13 at an off-campus rental property in Moscow, Idaho.

A masked assailant broke into the house and fatally stabbed the four pupils with a fixed-blade knife.

Authorities nabbed Kohberger, a 28-year-old doctoral student and teaching assistant at Washington State University, more than a month later. He faces four charges of murder and one count of criminal burglary.


On December 30, Kohberger was detained at his parent’s house in Pennsylvania.

He willingly consented to return to Idaho to face the allegations against him, thus he waived extradition. On January 4, he was returned to Idaho.

One of the victims’ surviving roommates claimed she spotted the murderer, according to the probable cause affidavit obtained by PEOPLE.com.

When the perpetrator fled the murder site, the roommate recalled “a figure wrapped in black attire and a mask” walking by her.

The affidavit also claimed that DNA and mobile phone pings tied Kohberger to the homicide site.

Officials have been tight-lipped about the claimed purpose of the assault, and a court has placed a gag order to prevent many details from getting public.

Kohberger has not yet pleaded guilty. His next hearing isn’t scheduled until June 26.

 

jward

passin' thru
Thanks for the updates.

I assumed we'd find that the classes/relationships within them played some kind of pivotal or triggering role..
It's odd to me that so little is jumping out to substantiate the level of fixation we typically see in obsessions that lead to murder.
Maybe there is more. Probably is.
 
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