CRIME 4 Students Found Dead Near University Of Idaho - Male Suspect Arrested In Pennsylvania - Post #566

SmithJ

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It appears if you enter the house from the back (the sliding glass doors) the you enter into the “2nd floor” where one pair of victims were found. Theoretically you could then go upstairs where the girls were murdered and come back down and exit without ever going downstairs to the “1st floor“

The house is really more like 3 separate apartments than a single house.
 

jward

passin' thru
It appears if you enter the house from the back (the sliding glass doors) the you enter into the “2nd floor” where one pair of victims were found. Theoretically you could then go upstairs where the girls were murdered and come back down and exit without ever going downstairs to the “1st floor“

The house is really more like 3 separate apartments than a single house.
exactly, and was exactly the point I hoped was conveyed via the drawings I posted.
But, of course, the layout would have been known to all those who'd visited there.

One could possibly even start on third floor, entering thru Kaylas balcony, proceed down to the second floor, killing the second pair of people, and exiting thru the kitchen slider.
 

jward

passin' thru

Parents of Slain University of Idaho Student Stands by Ex-Boyfriend​


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The parents of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves stand by her ex-boyfriend Jack, describing him as part of “our family.”
Goncalves was one of four University of Idaho students stabbed to death during their sleep on Sunday, November 13, 2022.

The killer who stabbed the students is still on the loose.
On November 19, 2022, Breitbart News noted that Goncalves’ sister, Alivia, told Inside Edition that Goncalves and one of the other roommates called someone named Jack several times before the slayings occurred.
Alivia said, “At 2:26 a.m. Kaylee starts to call Jack. Kaylee calls Jack six times between 2:26 a.m. to 2:44 a.m., from 2:44 to 2:52 Maddie calls Jack three times, then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m. And they are both never heard from again.”
On November 20, 2022, FOX News pointed out that Goncalves parents, Steve and Kristi, stand by Jack, whom they identify as Goncalves ex-boyfriend.
Kristi says that their daughter and Jack were about to get back together, and she believes they would have had a wonderful life.

She said, “We are supporting him, and we know in our hearts and our minds and our souls and the depths of our soul, Jack is hurting. Kaylee and Jack would have eventually been married. They would have eventually been married, and they would have eventually had children.”
Kristi added, “We love Jack, absolutely love Jack. We stand behind Jack 1,000 percent.”

 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I knew that info before. I did not know that there were more people in the house (besides the dead boyfriend) than at least one other person/guest.
I watched it while it was live. The key takeway I got was that they were not going to share anything new. But, a well placed question at the end, seemed to spill the beans a bit. The two roomates, evidently called friends after their discovery, and they came over. It was one of those people that responded, who used the girl's phone to call the police. Those roomates must have been an awful mess. I can understand why and how they were unprepared to make that awful call themselves. But, that presents the officers with a contaminated crime scene, I imagine. Pretty bad move from a purely investigative standpoint.

Thank you. That was info I was asking about. I had not heard before that more than one person other than the surviving roommates had been in the home. I had heard that the 911 call from roommates phone had not necessarily been made by her, but not that there were even more people at scene when police arrived.
 
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SmithJ

Veteran Member

Interesting- 2 years ago and still unsolved​


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‘He saved her life’: Husband killed confronting intruder​

by: Jennifer Dowling, KOIN 6 News Staff
Posted: Aug 27, 2021 / 11:25 AM PDT
Updated: Aug 29, 2021 / 09:30 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — A young couple was attacked in their home in rural Marion County earlier this month, leaving the wife severely injured and the husband dead.

Travis and Jamilyn Juetten were attacked in their home around 3 a.m. on August 13, the Marion County Sheriff’s Office said. Travis, 26, died from multiple stab wounds.

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Travis Juetten in an undated photo (Courtesy: Alain Leon)
Jamilyn, 24, was stabbed 19 times and has a long and emotional road to recovery, said the couple’s close friend Alain Leon.

“He saved her life,” Leon told KOIN 6 News. “He protected her from the attacker.”

Leon went to high school with Travis in California and stayed close with him even after college.

“I was there when he met Jamilyn online,” he said.

The love story between Travis and Jamilyn blossomed into much more as time went on, he said. Leon was the best man at their wedding and he said the two were so close he didn’t even think of them as two separate people, but as one.

“Travis and Jamilyn found each other and it’s really sad that story had to end,” he said.


Detectives say an intruder came into the couple’s home near the intersection of Howell Prairie Road NE and Hazelgreen Road NE and attacked them.

Leon said a masked man came into their bedroom while they were sleeping. He said Travis went to fight the man and Jamilyn tried to help him. The couple was supposed to go to Hawaii the next day, he said, adding another person who was going to cat-sit for them was asleep in another room, heard the noise and likely scared the intruder off, then called 911.

“She’s in the hospital. She was stabbed 19 times and her hand was, she’s really into pottery and I’m worried about her ability to do that,” he said. “One of her hands, the muscle was severed, so she can’t do this with her fingers. They are hoping to be able to reconnect it.”

Friends set up a GoFundMe page to help with Jamilyn’s recovery.

There is no information about a possible suspect. Crime Stoppers of Oregonis offering a reward for information that leads to an arrest in any unsolved felony crime.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Good point.
We are all vulnerable, if someone is dedicated enough. Just watch a few Netflix docs abut the Night Stalker and The Golden State Killer. They, find a way to get in when we are the most at risk. I say that as I stare at the sliding glass door….:shkr:
But then, I’m a light sleeper, not buy choice however….:kaid:
Having a 120lb dog in the house tends to help with my sleep.
 

Cardinal

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Was a Dog Really Skinned in Moscow, Idaho, Near Murder Scene?​


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Flickr (Creative Commons)A dog of the same breed as the skinned dog (this is not an actual picture of the dog that was skinned)

One odd Internet rumor holds that a dog was skinned in Moscow, Idaho, not far from the scene where four University of Idaho students were knifed together.
But is it really true? The dog’s owners have spoken with Daily Mail and, yes, they say it really happened. The story went public when their neighbor, Clint Hughes, posted about the skinned dog, a mini Australian shepherd dog named Buddy, on Facebook in October 2022. The animal mutilation occurred just three miles from the Moscow murder scene of four college students.

Police are still searching for a suspect or suspects in the slayings of the four University of Idaho students – Goncalves, Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin. The college students, who were attacked while sleeping on November 13, 2022, each died of stab wounds, authorities have said in previous news releases. The deaths are homicides.
Police have not indicated any connection between the murders and dog skinning.

Daily Mail reported: “Pam and Jim Colbert’s dog Buddy, a Mini Australian Shepherd, was filleted and skinned on October 21, weeks before four college students were murdered.” We have reached out to authorities about the animal mutilation report.

The publication spoke to the Colberts and obtained photos of the dog. According to what the Colberts told Daily Mail, they let the dog out and when they found the pooch, he “only had fur left on his legs and face.”

“It was like a deer that someone had hunted,” Pam Colbert told Daily Mail. “They cut him around the neck and just skinned him. His little legs had fur and his little face had fur, but the rest of him was just skinned.”

She continued: “The other side of him was as though they had filleted him like they were about to eat him. It was terrible. Unbelievable. They cut him like you filet a fish. We found his collar, but we didn’t find the pelt.”

Daily Mail reported that a Latah County Sheriff’s Deputy “sent to take photos for a report confirmed Buddy’s killer was human.”


Hughes Described How His Neighbors’ ‘Sweet Little Dog Was Skinned Like a Deer’​



On October 22, 2022, Clint Hughes posted the account on Facebook. His Facebook page says he lives in Moscow, Idaho.

“This sounds like clickbait, but it’s not. Last light after 2am, our neighbors’ sweet little dog was skinned like a deer. No animal did this. Our dog is bigger, and was so anxious about the same time that he tore his bed up into a thousand pieces,” he wrote.

“Also, our cat has been missing for the last couple of days. Not sure if it’s tied to Halloween, and I don’t really care, I’ll be chambering all my firearms, and I would suggest everyone else in North Moscow do the same. — with Luke Hughes and 3 others.”

A man on the thread said he contacted Moscow police and could find no report. Hughes responded that the dog skinning may have been reported to the Sheriff’s Department instead. Heavy contacted the local Sheriff’s Department for comment but haven’t heard back. Heavy has also reached out to Hughes and to the Moscow Police Department.

“Just a quick update since this has resurfaced. Out of respect for the privacy of our neighbor, I won’t disclose their names here, but I will mention that I introduced them to the Daily Mail reporter today, and there should be another article forthcoming. Regarding our cat, he was found safe, fortunately. Thank you!” Hughes wrote on his comment thread on November 20, 2022.
 

Hardpan

Senior Member

Parents of Slain University of Idaho Student Stands by Ex-Boyfriend​


AWR Hawkins




The parents of slain University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves stand by her ex-boyfriend Jack, describing him as part of “our family.”
Goncalves was one of four University of Idaho students stabbed to death during their sleep on Sunday, November 13, 2022.

The killer who stabbed the students is still on the loose.
On November 19, 2022, Breitbart News noted that Goncalves’ sister, Alivia, told Inside Edition that Goncalves and one of the other roommates called someone named Jack several times before the slayings occurred.
Alivia said, “At 2:26 a.m. Kaylee starts to call Jack. Kaylee calls Jack six times between 2:26 a.m. to 2:44 a.m., from 2:44 to 2:52 Maddie calls Jack three times, then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m. And they are both never heard from again.”
On November 20, 2022, FOX News pointed out that Goncalves parents, Steve and Kristi, stand by Jack, whom they identify as Goncalves ex-boyfriend.
Kristi says that their daughter and Jack were about to get back together, and she believes they would have had a wonderful life.

She said, “We are supporting him, and we know in our hearts and our minds and our souls and the depths of our soul, Jack is hurting. Kaylee and Jack would have eventually been married. They would have eventually been married, and they would have eventually had children.”
Kristi added, “We love Jack, absolutely love Jack. We stand behind Jack 1,000 percent.”

Hope this doesn't turn out to be like the Scott Peterson case in 2002. Lacy's family totally stood by Scott at first also. Which added to their heart break once they learned the truth.

That was my first thought when I heard that. Sad.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mutilation of animals is considered a satanic act. Especially in the time frame stated. I have pictures of sites I had to visit to document this type of activity. This whole homicide could have been satanically inspired and carried out. They can certainly have more than one perp and more than likely several followers.
 

Babs

Veteran Member
Moscow Homicide Update
November 20, 2022
• Detectives are releasing that on the morning of November 13th, the surviving roommates summoned friends to the residence because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out & was not waking up. At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. The call originated from inside the residence on one of the surviving roommates’ cell phone. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before a Moscow Police officer arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and found the four victims on the second and third floors.
• At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe any individual at the residence, when 911 was called, is involved in this crime.
• Rumors and speculation continue circulating about the ongoing investigation. MPD cautions the public not to rely on rumors and remains committed to keeping the public informed. We urge reliance on official channels for accurate information.
• TIPS: Detectives are looking for context to the events and people involved in these murders. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information is asked to call the Tip Line at 208-883-7180 or email tipline@ci.moscow.id.us.
• We encourage our community to rely on official channels for the most accurate information. These are the City of Moscow News Releases and the Moscow PD Facebook page.
• There will be a News Conference to update the public on the investigation. Wednesday, November 23, 2022 @ 1:00 p.m.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
A pissed off ex or acquaintance would have known the other people were in the house and gotten them too. I lean toward a person unfamiliar with the layout. Serial killer is very likely, and if that is the case, he will slip back into the shadows and strike somewhere else at a time of his choosing.

I was a boy in the San Gabriel Valley when the night stalker was doing his thing. He was targeting yellow houses for some reason. I later ended up dating a girl that lived just a quarter mile away from one of the killings.... talked to her dad about it one day... the fear was off the charts.... their house was yellow too. The truly amazing thing was that after that experience, they still didn't own a gun...

Ramirez got sloppy and was hitting too many in the area too fast... if this guy is smarter and has better attention to detail, he will be very hard to catch.
 
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coalcracker

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Just had a conversation with a very educated and intelligent man. He brought this story up in conversation.
He said this:
“It is the job of a college girl to break at least two hearts while in college and not to be nice about it.”

In other words, he thinks this is the work of an ex-boyfriend or sexually frustrated male who knew the victims. He specifically suspects someone who targeted the male and female couple in the house. The other two victims, he believes, were just caught up in the bloodlust that emerged in those moments.

Well, that is the theory of a man who is much smarter than I am, yet I tend to disagree. Time will tell, perhaps.

Wanted to share this because it comes from the mind of an absolutely brilliant man whom I respect.
 

Dozdoats

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Photos at the link.


Police seek ‘Rambo’-style knife in probe of Idaho student murders: report
By Yaron Steinbuch
November 17, 2022 7:32am Updated

Police investigating the brutal slaughter of four University of Idaho students appear to be searching for a “Rambo”-style knife in the slayings, a local store owner said.

Moscow Building Supply general manager Scott Jutte told the Idaho Statesman that a police officer stopped by the retailer more than once this week to inquire about the possible sale of a KA-BAR brand combat blade.

“They were specifically asking whether or not we carry KA-BAR-style knives, which we do not,” Jutte told the paper. “If we did, we could’ve reviewed surveillance footage. But it wasn’t something I could help them with.”

He said the tactical knives used by US Marines in the 1940s are “similar to the knife Rambo has,” Jutte added, referring to the Vietnam vet character famously played by Sylvester Stallone.

“(KA-BAR) is more of a combat knife. It’s not really something that we specialize in,” added Jutte, who said his store sells mostly hunting knives.

KA-BAR knife
Police have reportedly asked the manager of a local store whether he sold a “Rambo”-style knife that may have been used to slaughter four University of Idaho students.
KA-BAR.
On its website, KA-BAR, of Olean, New York, describes its signature blade as its “most famous knife.”

The “knives became so well recognized for their quality and so abundant in number that ‘Kabar’ became the name by which many referred to this knife pattern, regardless of whether the knife was manufactured at the actual KA-BAR facility,” it says.

“Today, the original USMC Fighting and Utility Knife remains the first choice for many men and women of service who carry it as their personal knife option,” the company adds.

Blood oozing from walls of house where four students murdered in Idaho.
Police sources said the crime scene where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death was the “worst they’ve ever seen.”
James Keivom for NY Post
The off-campus home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death
The off-campus home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death
James Keivom for NY Post
On Wednesday, Moscow police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger would neither confirm nor deny to the Statesman that investigators from the department visited the store or interviewed Jutte.

“I can’t speak to that. I don’t have any new information to share,” he told the paper.

Police did not respond to the request for comment Thursday.

Kaylee Gonclaves and Madison Mogen
Kaylee Gonclaves (left) and Madison Mogen (right) were both seniors and were both from Idaho.
Maddie Morgan/Instagram
Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin
Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were believed to be in a relationship before their deaths.
AP
News about the knife comes after Moscow Police Chief James Fry provided an update about the shocking crime, saying a murder weapon has not yet been found.

The murders of Ethan Chapin, 20, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, rocked the school community and prompted many students to vacate campus ahead of Thanksgiving break.

No suspect or motive has been determined in the slayings.

Blood can be seen oozing out of the side of the off-campus house.
Blood can be seen oozing out of the side of the off-campus house.
James Keivom for NY Post
Meanwhile, it has emerged that another incident involving a knife at the University of Idaho occurred in September when campus security sent out a so-called “Vandal Alert” to staff and students, Fox News reported.

Using the subject line “Threat with Knife,” the alert from Sept. 12 read: “The Moscow Police Department received a report that a group of students was walking between the Steam Plant parking lot (Lot #14) and the Student Recreation Center on Paradise Path and were threatened by a person with a knife,” according to the news outlet.

“No individual was harmed in the incident, but campus community members are advised to be cautious,” added the alert, which a concerned parent shared with Fox News Digital.

Slain University of Idaho students
The four victims were all friends at the college.
The suspect was described as a man between the ages of 18 and 22, wearing black clothes and a black baseball cap, and riding a mountain bike.

Police declined to comment to Fox News about the incident, whether the suspect was caught, or whether the incident could be connected to the gruesome murder that occurred about a mile away.

“I have no information on that at this time,” Dahlinger told Fox News Digital, which said a school spokesperson didn’t immediately return a request for comment.

Knife alert from September
Image of a “Vandal Alert” about a knife incident in September at the university.
In his update Wednesday, Fry said two roommates were inside the off-campus home where the four students were found dead and that the 911 call wasn’t made until hours later.

He also backtracked about how concerned the community should be about an ongoing threat after authorities originally said the public was not in danger following the quadruple homicide.
 

jward

passin' thru
They seem to be pushing, right now, or at least one line of thinking that it's maybe a military type wanna be who's acting out of being socially snubbed, who'll be known for his love of and knowledge of the weapons and culture, perhaps dressing the part etc etc etc.

I saw the results o' the data base search for similar such unsolved crimes and the # wasn't terribly large, but there are some. But, remember, speck, bundy and others who escape me at the moment concluded multiple kills their first time out.

Type of knife used in Idaho college murders will be key clue for police, says former FBI special agent​


Amy Nelson

3 minutes



More than a week after the murders of four University of Idaho students, the suspect remains on the loose as police continue their investigations. Now, experts are considering clues – like the knife likely used to kill all four individuals – that may help identify a suspect.
Jonathan Gilliam, a former FBI special agent and Navy SEAL, said the suspect’s use of a Ka-Bar knife, also known as a "Rambo"-style knife, could point law enforcement in the right direction.
"That knife is pretty much a relic," Gilliam said on "Fox & Friends First" Monday. "Nobody really uses that knife except for people that had them when they got out of the military or they got handed down."
IDAHO MURDERS: HERE'S WHO POLICE HAVE CLEARED AS SUSPECTS IN MURDERS OF 4 COLLEGE STUDENTS
Police suspect a KaBar knife may have been used in slayings of four University Idaho students, inset. Caution tape surrounds the house near campus where the students were slaughtered.


Police suspect a KaBar knife may have been used in slayings of four University Idaho students, inset. Caution tape surrounds the house near campus where the students were slaughtered. (Credit: Ka-Bar / Derek Shook for Fox News Digital)
He told co-hosts Ashley Strohmier and Todd Piro that the knife could be an important part of the investigation.
"If they have ROTC at that school, that could be something that ROTC would have," he explained.
Gilliam noted that the University of Idaho had also issued a "Vandal Alert" to staff and students in September with the subject line "Threat with Knife."
"This is something that they need to be looking at because the potential that this person could be a student, could be ROTC, could be somebody that lives in the area, kind of seems a little bit more significant," he said.
UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO MURDERS TIMELINE: WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE SLAUGHTER OF FOUR STUDENTS
University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Xana Kernodle, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21.


University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20; Xana Kernodle, 20; Madison Mogen, 21; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21. (Jazzmin Kernodle via AP/Instagram/ @kayleegoncalves)
Gilliam, after reviewing the details of the murders, said he believes it's more likely that the killer is a man.
"It takes a lot of strength, you'd be surprised, to continue to stab multiple targets with this ferocity," he said.
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He said the suspect was likely either someone who had access to the house or was someone who watched the residence and waited for everyone to "shut down" for the night.
"I think this is where investigators are going to start looking," he said.

Amy Nelson is a producer with Fox News Digital.
 

jward

passin' thru
Hope this doesn't turn out to be like the Scott Peterson case in 2002. Lacy's family totally stood by Scott at first also. Which added to their heart break once they learned the truth.

That was my first thought when I heard that. Sad.

It's always possible that the parents were coached to voice their effusive faith in that BF of their daughters' as a way to manipulate his emotions/behaviors, if he is the perp- I've seen a shot of him, and though you can't judge a book by the cover, he's a thin, bespeckled strawberry blond that doesn't look like he'd have strength or energy enough to mow the lawn in one pass, let alone methodically murder four people.

Still, a break-up in the same week is hard to ignore as PC
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Well.......... they didn't find the knife on the premises, and I assume they looked in garbage bins and sewers, so that's out.
We KNOW the creep is a raging maniac, why wouldn't he take HIS knife with him when he left? Needs it for future operations. I've got a bad feeling they ain't never going to find this one. I'd be shocked if they did.

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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Kabars are anything but rare. I just got a new one a few weeks ago, because it had Space Force markings.

 
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jward

passin' thru
Kabars are anything but rare. I just got a new one a few
..and fox is anything but a serious news source, these days ; )

I hope he will be caught- too many electronic eyes and willing human karens out there to disappear for good.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Kabars are anything but rare. I just got a new one a few weeks ago, because it had Space Force markings.

THESE GUYS ARE JERK OFFS... Wall Mart sells ka bars. At Christmas time, the Camillus China version is one of the cheap end cap gift items around here....

ETA....I'd be curious if Ontario knife company is relieved that Ka bar is getting the spotlight press or pissed that Ka bar will be getting the boost in sales from the publicity.
 

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moza

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I keep thinking the two blonds looked almost identical and they probably just killed them all to make sure they got the right one. Jealousy.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Considered by people who think Satan is a real thing. But mutilation of animals is also a normal gateway for psychopaths who later murder people. It doesn't have to have a religious aspect.

Kind of splitting hairs on that one bw.
 

jward

passin' thru
This is, imho, a bit of a nightmare, and not just for the events that transpired, but because there are so many plausible suspects in those groups you first rule out: Recent ex, Jack Ducoeur, of victim Kay Goncalves, and Jack Showalter, whom it is thought to be the man in the food court videos in the hoodie, and is known to be a hunter, and was recently kicked out of his fraternity, are just two of the "known knowns".

Kaylee and DuCoeur were dating for five years, and are shown below in an undated photo.

Who is Jack DuCoeur? Kaylee Goncalves' called her ex-boyfriend several times on night she was killed


Kaylee Goncalves called her ex-boyfriend Jack DuCoeur several times before she was murdered with the rest of her friends (Kaylee Goncalves/Instagram)
 

mzkitty

I give up.
This is, imho, a bit of a nightmare, and not just for the events that transpired, but because there are so many plausible suspects in those groups you first rule out: Recent ex, Jack Ducoeur, of victim Kay Goncalves, and Jack Showalter, whom it is thought to be the man in the food court videos in the hoodie, and is known to be a hunter, and was recently kicked out of his fraternity, are just two of the "known knowns".

Kaylee and DuCoeur were dating for five years, and are shown below in an undated photo.

Who is Jack DuCoeur? Kaylee Goncalves' called her ex-boyfriend several times on night she was killed' called her ex-boyfriend several times on night she was killed


Kaylee Goncalves called her ex-boyfriend Jack DuCoeur several times before she was murdered with the rest of her friends (Kaylee Goncalves/Instagram)

That right there would trouble me. But of course they supposedly eliminated him already.

Wonder what he got kicked out of his frat for? And I wonder what kind of knife he has.............

Hmmm.............
 

Kewpie

Senior Member
A theory I’ve seen elsewhere is that exbf Jack (I get the Jacks in this story confused) owed someone money. Not a fan of that one, as I *think* one of the pieces of info released is that they died while asleep. My takeaway from that would be they didn’t put up a fight, and weren’t able to yell to alert the roommates. That doesn’t indicate a crime of passion where someone gets attacked. It sounds very premeditated and…deliberate is the word that comes to mind.
 
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