ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
In four months the calendar may say it's spring, but in some parts of the world, like where I live, not necessarily. This last May we had a blizzard in May. Spring in North Dakota did not come until late May according to the temps and precipitation. What I do know is anyone up here will not survive a winter without heat of some sort. I have a feeling the Ukrainian people are likely resourceful enough to find heat somehow.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
And Putin has the gall to tell Russian moms that he feels their pain. He's always been slithery. He treats his troops like shit. No shame. It's disgusting. He's a friggin billionaire, he could have outfitted them himself personally, if it came to that. But he does. not. care.

:dvl2:
I have a feeling you do not like Putin, maybe your feelings are quite valid. But I can think of one bunch of people that were treated like shit, and that would be all those left behind by a major power in Afghanistan. And in this case it was with no shame and was very disgusting. There's plenty of shame all over the world right now.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I have a feeling you do not like Putin, maybe your feelings are quite valid. But I can think of one bunch of people that were treated like shit, and that would be all those left behind by a major power in Afghanistan. And in this case it was with no shame and was very disgusting. There's plenty of shame all over the world right now.

Don't I know that too. You are correct. Putin makes me sick because I had a dream of him in his palatial office a couple of years ago, and I'm telling him not to hurt people. He just gave me a slithery smile and went and sat at his desk.

:kk2:
 
And Putin has the gall to tell Russian moms that he feels their pain. He's always been slithery. He treats his troops like shit. No shame. It's disgusting. He's a friggin billionaire, he could have outfitted them himself personally, if it came to that. But he does. not. care.

:dvl2:
Maybe you should study a bit about the conditions of our troops the winter after the Normandy landing.
 

jward

passin' thru
FLASH
@Flash_news_ua

⚡ General Staff: Russian losses in the temporarily occupied part of the Zaporizhzhia region were confirmed.
In the city of Melitopol, the Russian ammunition depot was destroyed, and about 50 Russian soldiers were injured of various degrees of severity.
Two depots were destroyed in the Vasylivka district. Here up to 130 Russians were wounded, and 7 pieces of military equipment of various types were also destroyed. The number of Russian losses is being clarified.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Not a shower of stars - a shower of death!
The Russians face a triumph: The largest defense fortress of the Ukrainians in the Donbas is collapsing! – Incendiary barrage burned the Ukrainian positions. (you need auto translate)
 

Caretaker

Contributing Member
More than likely the Hard-Liners take over - fact is Putin is actually a moderate. Most of the dissatisfaction he is facing is because he is going too EASY.
I find it amazing / delusional that people still think Ukraine is somehow going to defeat Russia!
HOW??? Currently 75-80%+ of power is off (and not coming back) Millions have moved out and projections for another 10+ million or so to move to EU nations for heat/food - a loss of around 50%+ of the population. (Prewar population of ~42 million , UN report July as 12 Million having moved our - projections of an additional 8 to 10M leaving due to winter)
Total industrial base is collapsed along with energy and transportation. Russia on the other hand has no such problem - industry (especially war related) running 24x7 - unlimited power and resources - and manpower - Ukraine has a smaller and smaller pool to pull from for Army replacements and eventually will run out - Russia has been expanding its Army with a much larger pool to pull from and if necessary can expand to deal with direct NATO involvement.
The only possible explanation for this Ukraine can Win PR / SPIN is to keep the money flowing - the US MIC and political slush funds do well - at the expense of average Ukrainians who are dying by the 10 of thousands - the longer this goes on the more will die.
It’s very difficult to argue against reality and hard cold facts.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
I have a feeling you do not like Putin, maybe your feelings are quite valid. But I can think of one bunch of people that were treated like shit, and that would be all those left behind by a major power in Afghanistan. And in this case it was with no shame and was very disgusting. There's plenty of shame all over the world right now.
Just curious, what are your feelings toward Putin?

You seem to deflect away from Putin and Russia like they have no ownership of this mess.

Does current admin/media/tech suck? yes. Is Zelensky another media darling corrupt politician frequently shooting his mouth off? hell yes. And what about our good friend Vlad?

None of the other clustermuckers in the world including Klaus von Dr Evil remove Putin’s AND Russia’s role in this conflict.

Hell had Putin just rolled into breakaway regions and set hard borders and stopped there, Brandon would have said nothing, Germany would have said nothing, MI5 and 6 would have seethed and fumed in their dark basements but done nothing, Nato would hold meetings and established study groups and issued stern warnings and Ukraine’s options would be very limited without western support.

But Putin and Russia had much larger plans, not exactly well thought out plans imho.

Wars are always about resources and this one is no different.

Just because your neighbor is a loud obnoxious corrupt blowhard does not justify blowing up his garage.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Total industrial base is collapsed along with energy and transportation. Russia on the other hand has no such problem - industry (especially war related) running 24x7 - unlimited power and resources - and manpower - Ukraine has a smaller and smaller pool to pull from for Army replacements and eventually will run out - Russia has been expanding its Army with a much larger pool to pull from and if necessary can expand to deal with direct NATO involvement.

not quite so.

recall Napoleon's adage: " the moral is to the physical as three is to one"?

so you have 45 million ( yes, many people have left and are going to leave, but they are all women and children, but all men under 60 are still here, and pissed off) against 130 million. 1:3

and from all that all of us can see here, the russian mobik forces are inadequately trained, equipped, and supplied. and most resent being sent there.

while the ukr forces are fighting for their homes and land and families and culture and freedom. no comparison there.

and as for the russian economy going full steam, i don't see that. their commercial air fleet is on life support, their train network is running short of ball bearings (all used to come from europe... ?sweden), they cannot produce many replacement weapons without chips and spare parts from the west. their only real income is from oil and gas sales, and that is shrinking. their banking system is on the ropes. their ruble is not convertible. their factories are simply not running at full steam.

and they are literally dragging people off the streets and conscripting jailed criminals to fill out their ranks. meanwhile no one in Ukraine is going to jail for being against the war. EVERYONE is on board.

no. russia is going to lose, somehow, by spring.

after that, of course, is anyone's guess.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Just curious, what are your feelings toward Putin?
He's a die hard very intelligent career KGB officer. I do not think he wants to resurrect the Soviet Union, rather secure Russian borders. The Ukrainian war I believe was pushed on to the Russians by NATO. And there are side issues where the Uke Nazis are murdering the Russian speaking population of Ukraine. There has been much talk here on this forum where the West's Deep State wants Russia dissolved - that may be true and maybe Putin believes it.

I think Putin loves his country and wants Russia to be Russia. I do not particularly like him at all, but considering he loves his country he deserves respect simply because our very own leftists hate our country and want it dissolved. It appears the Russians are moving towards the cultural values we are moving away from, such as protecting Christianity instead of loathing Christians, outlawing sexual perversion instead of welcoming it, banning drugs instead of legalizing them. I would never want to move to Russia, but I do not want to see it destroyed. China is a much bigger threat.

With regards to the Ukrainian war, I have sympathy for the average citizen that is suffering in the dark and cold. But like us, they voted for their own mess.
 

jward

passin' thru

Squid

Veteran Member
He's a die hard very intelligent career KGB officer. I do not think he wants to resurrect the Soviet Union, rather secure Russian borders. The Ukrainian war I believe was pushed on to the Russians by NATO. And there are side issues where the Uke Nazis are murdering the Russian speaking population of Ukraine. There has been much talk here on this forum where the West's Deep State wants Russia dissolved - that may be true and maybe Putin believes it.

I think Putin loves his country and wants Russia to be Russia. I do not particularly like him at all, but considering he loves his country he deserves respect simply because our very own leftists hate our country and want it dissolved. It appears the Russians are moving towards the cultural values we are moving away from, such as protecting Christianity instead of loathing Christians, outlawing sexual perversion instead of welcoming it, banning drugs instead of legalizing them. I would never want to move to Russia, but I do not want to see it destroyed. China is a much bigger threat.

With regards to the Ukrainian war, I have sympathy for the average citizen that is suffering in the dark and cold. But like us, they voted for their own mess.
I am not entirely sure we ‘voted’ for this.

Not buying the bs about brandon being more popular than Obama or that GA senate wasn’t stolen by Atlanta.

Putin may love Russia but he really luvs taking his cut of the wealth of Russia for himself as well. Secure borders, probably part of the thinking, but exactly how far west do those borders need to be and how much land does he need to carve out of other countries.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
I am not entirely sure we ‘voted’ for this.
OK, in terms of actual voting, especially considering the well documented voter fraud, a majority did not vote for the current regime, thus "we" did not vote for what we are now getting.

But because no one has done a damn thing about it, because no one is standing up for a complete and honest accounting of the last election, in essence, we voted for it. This most recent election should have had the "R's" running on a campaign of wanting to investigate the 2020 election. Not a word. And those same RINO's were put back into office, here is where we voted for the 2020 election, but electing the spineless bastards that pretend Biden in President.

This thread's subject is the Ukraine war, so let's get back to it by saying if Trump were in office today the war never would have started, Russia may well be much friendlier to us, and above all the Ukrainian civilian citizens would not be freezing and starving their asses off in the dark today.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I am not entirely sure we ‘voted’ for this.

Not buying the bs about brandon being more popular than Obama or that GA senate wasn’t stolen by Atlanta.

Putin may love Russia but he really luvs taking his cut of the wealth of Russia for himself as well. Secure borders, probably part of the thinking, but exactly how far west do those borders need to be and how much land does he need to carve out of other countries.
There you go again with this idea of Nationalism.

When are you going to figure out that we, in the United States, do not believe in Nationalism. Oh sure, we fall back on that as an excuse. We call it patriotism. But we don't "believe".

Take China. If we believed in Nationalism, then we would back slowly away from Taiwan and let China have it.
Or Korea. Why is there a North and South Korea? Under the idea of borders, we would have backed off and let em fight it out.
Or Vietnam. We divided that country north and south too. And then lost and they reformed into vanilla Vietnam.
Libya. We did not like them so we blew up that country twice.
Iraq? After the first Iraq conflict we declared a no fly zone over half the country.
Afghanistan. A 20 years war which violated their National self determination.
Syria is divided among three groups - Assad, Turks, and I think Kurds.
And then there is Yugoslavia - LOL - we busted up that place into 7 countries.

We are firm "believers" in divide and conquer with emphasis on divide while the conquer part is an afterthought that never materializes. It is more like "divide" and then leave the place a total wreck.

And it appears that is what will happen in Ukraine - a total wreck.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
There you go again with this idea of Nationalism.

When are you going to figure out that we, in the United States, do not believe in Nationalism. Oh sure, we fall back on that as an excuse. We call it patriotism. But we don't "believe".

Take China. If we believed in Nationalism, then we would back slowly away from Taiwan and let China have it.
Or Korea. Why is there a North and South Korea? Under the idea of borders, we would have backed off and let em fight it out.
Or Vietnam. We divided that country north and south too. And then lost and they reformed into vanilla Vietnam.
Libya. We did not like them so we blew up that country twice.
Iraq? After the first Iraq conflict we declared a no fly zone over half the country.
Afghanistan. A 20 years war which violated their National self determination.
Syria is divided among three groups - Assad, Turks, and I think Kurds.
And then there is Yugoslavia - LOL - we busted up that place into 7 countries.

We are firm "believers" in divide and conquer with emphasis on divide while the conquer part is an afterthought that never materializes. It is more like "divide" and then leave the place a total wreck.

And it appears that is what will happen in Ukraine - a total wreck.
Magicians do the change focus all the time.

If your a Putin and Russian fanboy than just wear your love of Putin. But defend your love of Putin and the moral defense of the invasion. Oh and bring more than just nazi propaganda story as from Russia today.

I am not a fan OF either party. I think this was defenseless destruction of life. I put the blame across multiple parties including WEF globalists, MI5/6, Zelensky, Obama AND Putin.

Also I am not so sure Putin is not the WEF outsider that some here suggest. The invasion is just the kind of destabilizing event that WEF absolutely desires to help rationalize their drive for global
techno-fascism, or techno communism with fascist tendencies.

Americans are moving on from the whole European self destruction and this is fading from our attention span while we move onto important world issue’s like who is getting into the college football play-offs.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It's your call, of course, which would be more useful. I think a saw would be a better tool but the disadvantage is that you'd want extra blades whereas you can resharpen a good axe. This is the type of saw I was thinking of; I've always called it a Swedish saw but I guess a "bow saw" is the proper name for one:

https://www.amazon.com/Bahco-10-30-23-30-Inch-Ergo-Green/dp/B0001IX7TW/ref=sr_1_5?crid=4FFV5IIBLDDK&keywords=swedish+hand+saw&qid=1669475359&sprefix=swedish+hand+s,aps,1123&sr=8-5&th=1

The other type of hand saw (and one I keep in my pack) is a small folding saw which will get the job done and doesn't need extra blades:

https://www.amazon.com/Corona-RazorTOOTH-Folding-RS-7265D/dp/B001RD7LRO/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=4FFV5IIBLDDK&keywords=swedish+hand+saw&qid=1669475723&sprefix=swedish+hand+s,aps,1123&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE0NTU4SkVWRUsxTjEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAwNjQ2MTgyUFpFUkRUV1owWlUmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDE2MDI4NTJHWFJLT0pYNkROQ00md2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Glad to hear you're thinking of them. Get them soonest before everyone else has the same idea, though.
the hardware stores are pretty well stocked right now. getting a good ax right now is a good idea. but budget . . . will check out prices asap.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
Magicians do the change focus all the time.

If your a Putin and Russian fanboy than just wear your love of Putin. But defend your love of Putin and the moral defense of the invasion. Oh and bring more than just nazi propaganda story as from Russia today.

I am not a fan OF either party. I think this was defenseless destruction of life. I put the blame across multiple parties including WEF globalists, MI5/6, Zelensky, Obama AND Putin.

Also I am not so sure Putin is not the WEF outsider that some here suggest. The invasion is just the kind of destabilizing event that WEF absolutely desires to help rationalize their drive for global
techno-fascism, or techno communism with fascist tendencies.

Americans are moving on from the whole European self destruction and this is fading from our attention span while we move onto important world issue’s like who is getting into the college football play-offs.
This "Putin Fanboy" language is merely a SJW excuse to evade addressing my point.
My military service record is evidence to the contrary.

I would go further. If Nationalism was really an issue, explain the "European Union" which subverts the national borders of European countries. Or consider the way our own government ignores Nationalism when it comes to illegal immigration.

We only care about Nationalism or National Borders when it suits the purposes of the government.
 

jward

passin' thru
The Washington Times
@WashTimes

Official
Moscow confirmed that more than 200,000 Russian reservists have been drafted into the country’s armed forces since Putin ordered a partial mobilization in September.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB

It Was Never About Ukraine​

Authored by Ted Snider via Anti-War.com,
In his March 21 press briefing, State Department spokesman Ned Price told the gathered reporters that “President Zelenskyy has also made it very clear that he is open to a diplomatic solution that does not compromise the core principles at the heart of the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine.” A reporter asked Price, “What are you saying about your support for a negotiated settlement à la Zelenskyy, but on whose principles?” In what still may be the most remarkable statement of the war, Price responded, “this is a war that is in many ways bigger than Russia, it’s bigger than Ukraine.”
Price, who a month earlier had discouraged talks between Russia and Ukraine, rejected Kiev negotiating an end to the war with Ukraine’s interests addressed because US core interests had not been addressed. The war was not about Ukraine’s interests: it was bigger than Ukraine.
A month later, in April, when a settlement seemed to be within reach at the Istanbul talks, the US and UK again pressured Ukraine not to pursue their own goals and sign an agreement that could have ended the war. They again pressured Ukraine to continue to fight in pursuit of the larger goals of the US and its allies. Then British prime minister Boris Johnson scolded Zelensky that Putin "should be pressured, not negotiated with." He added that, even if Ukraine was ready to sign some agreements with Russia, the West was not.”
Once again, the war was not about Ukraine’s interests: it was bigger than Ukraine.

At every opportunity, Biden and his highest ranking officials have insisted “that it's up to Ukraine to decide how and when or if they negotiate with the Russians” and that the US won’t dictate terms: “nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.” But that has never been true.
The US wouldn’t allow Ukraine to negotiate on their terms when they wanted to. The US stopped Ukraine from negotiating in March and April when they wanted to; they pushed them to negotiate in November when they did not want to.
The war in Ukraine has always been about larger US goals. It has always been about the American ambition to maintain a unipolar world in which they were the sole polar power at the center and top of the world.
Ukraine became the focus of that ambition in 2014 when Russia for the first time stood up to American hegemony. Alexander Lukin, who is Head of Department of International Relations at National Research University Higher School of Economics in Moscow and an authority on Russian politics and international relations, says that since the end of the Cold War Russia had been considered a subordinate partner of the West. In all disagreements between Russia and the US up to then, Russia had compromised, and the disagreements were resolved rather quickly.
But when, in 2014, the US set up and supported a coup in Ukraine that was intended to pull Ukraine closer into the NATO and European security sphere Russia responded by annexing Crimea, Russia broke out of its post Cold War policy of compliance and pushed back against US hegemony. The 2014 “crisis in Ukraine and Russia’s reaction to it have fundamentally changed this consensus," Lukin says. "Russia refused to play by the rules."
Events in Ukraine in 2014 marked the end of the unipolar world of American hegemony. Russia drew the line and asserted itself as a new pole in a multipolar world order. That is why the war is “bigger than Ukraine,” in the words of the State Department. It is bigger than Ukraine because, in the eyes of Washington, it is the battle for US hegemony.
That is why US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said on November 13 that some of the sanctions on Russia could remain in place even after any eventual peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia. The war has never just been about Ukraine: it is about US foreign policy aspirations that are bigger than Ukraine. Yellen said, “I suppose in the context of some peace agreement, adjustment of sanctions is possible and could be appropriate.” Sanctions could be adjusted when negotiations end the war, but, Yellen added, “We would probably feel, given what’s happened, that probably some sanctions should stay in place.”
That is also why the US announced a new army headquarters in Germany “to carry out what is expected to be a long-term mission” while it simultaneous began pushing Ukraine toward peace talks. The military pressure on Russia and support for Ukraine will survive the war.
It is also why on June 29, the US announced the establishment of a permanent headquarters for US forces in Poland that Biden boasted would be “the first permanent U.S. forces on NATO’s eastern flank."
It is again why, on November 9, the State Department approved the sale of nearly half a billion dollars’ worth of High Mobility Artillery Rocket System to Lithuania. They are not to be used by NATO in the Ukraine war. But they will, according to the State Department, “support the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by helping to improve the military capability of a NATO Ally that is an important force for ensuring political stability and economic progress within Eastern Europe.” At the same time, the State Department approved the potential sale of guided multiple launch rocket systems to Finland to bolster “the land and air defense capabilities in Europe's northern flank.”
Presumably, the delivery of upgraded B61-12 air-dropped gravity nuclear bombs to NATO bases in Europe is also not in the service of current US goals in Ukraine.
Though to the US, the war in Ukraine is “bigger than Ukraine,” it is also “in many ways bigger than Russia.” Although the recently released 2022 National Defense Strategy identifies Russia as the current “acute threat,” it “focuses on the PRC,” or the People’s Republic of China. The Strategy consistently identifies China as the “pacing challenge.” The long-term focus is on, not Russia, but China.
The National Defense Strategy clearly states that “The most comprehensive and serious challenge to U.S. national security is the PRC’s coercive and increasingly aggressive endeavor to refashion the Indo-Pacific region and the international system to suit its interests and authoritarian preferences.”
If Ukraine is about Russia, Russia is about China. The “Russia Problem” has always been that it is impossible to confront China if China has Russia: it is not desirable to fight both superpowers at once. So, if the long-term goal is to prevent a challenge to the US led unipolar world from China, Russia first needs to be weakened.
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi recently said that "China will firmly support the Russian side, with the leadership of President Putin . . . to further reinforce the status of Russia as a major power."
According to Lyle Goldstein, a visiting professor at Brown University and author of Meeting China Halfway: How to Defuse the Emerging US-China Rivalry, an analysis of the war in Ukraine published in a Chinese academic journal concludes that “In order to maintain its hegemonic position, the US supports Ukraine to wage hybrid warfare against Russia…The purpose is to hit Russia, contain Europe, kidnap ‘allies,’ and threaten China.”
The war in Ukraine has never been just about Ukraine. It has always been “bigger than Ukraine” and about US principles that are bigger than Ukraine and “in many ways bigger than Russia.” Ukraine is where Russia drew the line on the US led unipolar world and where the US chose to fight the battle for hegemony. That battle is acutely about Russia but, in the long-term, it is about China, “the most comprehensive and serious challenge” to US hegemony.

 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Escobar: Electric Wars​

Authored by Pepe Escobar,
Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind.
But to what purpose
Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
I do not know
.
T.S. Eliot, Burnt Norton
Spare a thought to the Polish farmer snapping pics of a missile wreckage – later indicated to belong to a Ukrainian S-300. So a Polish farmer, his footfalls echoing in our collective memory, may have saved the world from WWIII – unleashed via a tawdry plot concocted by Anglo-American “intelligence”.
Such tawdriness was compounded by a ridiculous cover-up: the Ukrainians were firing on Russian missiles from a direction that they could not possibly be coming from. That is: Poland. And then the U.S. Secretary of Defense, weapons peddler Lloyd “Raytheon” Austin, sentenced Russia was to blame anyway, because his Kiev vassals were shooting at Russian missiles that should not have been in the air (and they were not).
Call it the Pentagon elevating bald lying into a rather shabby art.
The Anglo-American purpose of this racket was to generate a “world crisis” against Russia. It’s been exposed – this time. That does not mean the usual suspects won’t try it again. Soon.
The main reason is panic. Collective West intel sees how Moscow is finally mobilizing their army – ready to hit the ground next month – while knocking out Ukraine’s electricity infrastructure as a form of Chinese torture.
Those February days of sending only 100,000 troops – and having the DPR and LPR militias plus Wagner commandos and Kadyrov’s Chechens do most of the heavy lifting – are long gone. Overall, Russians and Russophones were facing hordes of Ukrainian military – perhaps as many as 1 million. The “miracle” of it all is that Russians did quite well.
Every military analyst knows the basic rule: an invasion force should number three times the defending force. The Russian Army at the start of the SMO was at a small fraction of that rule. The Russian Armed Forces arguably have a standing army of 1.3 million troops. Surely they could have spared a few tens of thousands more than the initial 100,000. But they did not. It was a political decision.
But now SMO is over: this is CTO (Counter-Terrorist Operation) territory. A sequence of terrorist attacks – targeting the Nord Streams, the Crimea Bridge, the Black Sea Fleet – finally demonstrated the inevitability of going beyond a mere “military operation”.
And that brings us to Electric War.

Paving the way to a DMZ

The Electric War is being handled essentially as a tactic – leading to the eventual imposition of Russia’s terms in a possible armistice (which neither Anglo-American intel and vassal NATO want).
Even if there was an armistice – widely touted for a few weeks now – that would not end the war. Because the deeper, tacit Russian terms – end of NATO expansion and “indivisibility of security” – were fully spelled out to both Washington and Brussels last December, and subsequently dismissed.
As nothing – conceptually – has changed since then, coupled with the Western weaponization of Ukraine reaching a frenzy, the Putin-era Stavka could not but expand the initial SMO mandate, which remains denazification and demilitarization. Yet now the mandate will have to encompass Kiev and Lviv.
And that starts with the current de-electrification campaign – which goes way beyond the east of the Dnieper and along the Black Sea coast towards Odessa.
That brings us to the key issue of reach and depth of Electric War, in terms of setting up what would be a DMZ – complete with no man’s land – west of the Dnieper to protect Russian areas from NATO artillery, HIMARS and missile attacks.
How deep? 100 km? Not enough. Rather 300 km – as Kiev has already requested artillery with that kind of range.
What’s crucial is that way back in July this was already being extensively discussed in Moscow at the highest Stavka levels.
In an extensive July interview, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov let the cat – diplomatically – out of the bag:
“This process continues, consistently and persistently. It will continue as long as the West, in its impotent rage, desperate to aggravate the situation as much as possible, continues to flood Ukraine with more and more long-range weapons. Take the HIMARS. Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov boasts that they have already received 300-kilometre ammunition. This means our geographic objectives will move even further from the current line. We cannot allow the part of Ukraine that Vladimir Zelensky, or whoever replaces him, will control to have weapons that pose a direct threat to our territory or to the republics that have declared their independence and want to determine their own future.”
The implications are clear.
As much as Washington and NATO are even more “desperate to aggravate the situation as much as possible” (and that’s Plan A: there’s no Plan B), geoeconomically the Americans are intensifying the New Great Game: desperation here applies to trying to control energy corridors and setting their price.
Russia remains unfazed – as it continues to invest in Pipelineistan (towards Asia); solidify the multimodal International North South Transportation Corridor (INTSC), with key partners India and Iran; and is setting the price of energy via OPEC+.

A paradise for oligarchic looters

The Straussians/neo-cons and neoliberal-cons permeating the Anglo-American intel/security apparatus – de facto weaponized viruses – won’t relent. They simply cannot afford losing yet another NATO war – and on top of it against “existential threat” Russia.
As the news from the Ukraine battlefields promise to be even grimmer under General Winter, solace at least may be found in the cultural sphere. The Green transition racket, seasoned in a toxic mixed salad with the eugenist Silicon Valley ethos, continues to be a side dish offered with the main course: the Davos “Great Narrative”, former Great Reset, which reared its ugly head, once again, at the G20 in Bali.
That translates as everything going swell as far as the Destruction of Europe project is concerned. De-industrialize and be happy; rainbow-dance to every woke tune on the market; and freeze and burn wood while blessing “renewables” in the altar of European values.
A quick flashback to contextualize where we are is always helpful.
Ukraine was part of Russia for nearly four centuries. The very idea of its independence was invented in Austria during WWI for the purpose of undermining the Russian Army – and that certainly happened. The present “independence” was set up so local Trotskyite oligarchs could loot the nation as a Russia-aligned government was about to move against those oligarchs.
The 2014 Kiev coup was essentially set up by Zbig “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski to draw Russia into a new partisan war – as in Afghanistan – and was followed by orders to the Gulf oil haciendas to crash the oil price. Moscow had to protect Russophones in Crimea and Donbass – and that led to more Western sanctions. All of it was a setup.
For 8 years, Moscow refused to send its armies even to Donbass east of the Dnieper (historically part of Mother Russia). The reason: not to be bogged down in another partisan war. The rest of Ukraine, meanwhile, was being looted by oligarchs supported by the West, and plunged into a financial black hole.
The collective West deliberately chose not to finance the black hole. Most of the IMF injections were simply stolen by the oligarchs, and the loot transferred out of the country. These oligarchic looters were of course “protected” by the usual suspects.
It’s always crucial to remember that between 1991 and 1999 the equivalent of the present entire household wealth of Russia was stolen and transferred overseas, mostly to London. Now the same usual suspects are trying to ruin Russia with sanctions, as “new Hitler” Putin stopped the looting.
The difference is that the plan of using Ukraine as just a pawn in their game is not working.
On the ground, what has been going on so far are mostly skirmishes, and a few real battles. But with Moscow massing fresh troops for a winter offensive, the Ukrainian Army may end up completely routed.
Russia didn’t look so bad – considering the effectiveness of its mincing machine artillery strikes against Ukrainian fortified positions, and recent planned retreats or positional warfare, keeping casualties down while smashing Ukrainian withering firepower.
The collective West believes it holds the Ukraine proxy war card. Russia bets on reality, where economic cards are food, energy, resources, resource security and a stable economy.
Meanwhile, as if the energy-suicide EU did not have to face a pyramid of ordeals, they can surely expect to have knocking on their door at least 15 million desperate Ukrainians escaping from villages and cities with zero electrical power.
The railway station in – temporarily occupied – Kherson is a graphic example: people show up constantly to warm up and charge their smartphones. The city has no electricity, no heat, and no water.
Current Russian tactics are the absolute opposite of the military theory of concentrated force developed by Napoleon. That’s why Russia is accumulating serious advantages while “disturbing the dust in a bowl of rose-leaves”.
And of course, “we haven’t even started yet.”

 

Walrus

Veteran Member
He's a die hard very intelligent career KGB officer. I do not think he wants to resurrect the Soviet Union, rather secure Russian borders. The Ukrainian war I believe was pushed on to the Russians by NATO. And there are side issues where the Uke Nazis are murdering the Russian speaking population of Ukraine. There has been much talk here on this forum where the West's Deep State wants Russia dissolved - that may be true and maybe Putin believes it.

I think Putin loves his country and wants Russia to be Russia. I do not particularly like him at all, but considering he loves his country he deserves respect simply because our very own leftists hate our country and want it dissolved. It appears the Russians are moving towards the cultural values we are moving away from, such as protecting Christianity instead of loathing Christians, outlawing sexual perversion instead of welcoming it, banning drugs instead of legalizing them. I would never want to move to Russia, but I do not want to see it destroyed. China is a much bigger threat.

With regards to the Ukrainian war, I have sympathy for the average citizen that is suffering in the dark and cold. But like us, they voted for their own mess.
Well said. Putin is simply an orthodox Christian, heterosexual "white Russian" nationalist. Anybody who hates those traits would automatically hate him. I wish we had such a strong defender of our traditional values as he is. Trump didn't even come close; he's still a liberal New Yorker, far as I'm concerned, although I'd vote for him again.

[ETA: Maybe I will. I'm about fed up with his ego. He cannot admit a mistake and he's still pushing the vaccines and the immunities given to the pharmaceutical companies, and he's the worst judge of people I've ever seen for someone who's supposed to be such an excellent manager. I could easily change and vote for DeSantis but it depends on whether or not Bai-Den runs again. Trump needs to beat his ass into the ground this time.]

And you're correct that he's considered to be moderate. He's always getting flamed by the mostly-Communist diehards and warmongers in Russia. Everybody seems to want to ascribe every incident in this war directly to him but he's not running it; he has Surovikin, Shiogu, et al. for that. (He does get reports often)

He's busy building agreements with other countries on subjects such as BRICS (an alternate payments system which does away with the petrodollar), OCSE and bilateral trade agreements for direct sales of energy and raw materials to non-sanctioning countries. And guess what - there's a lot more of them than there are countries which are headed directly toward deep recessions due to their imposition of sanctions on the very country which was giving them cheap and abundant raw materials, including energy.
 
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Walrus

Veteran Member
With regards to the Ukrainian war, I have sympathy for the average citizen that is suffering in the dark and cold. But like us, they voted for their own mess.
It's often been said that a society gets the government it deserves. Shamefully, this doesn't exclude the US and thus we have what we have - a bunch of spineless crooks, thugs and other mentally ill rats while we regular folks wring our hands at it all.
I am not a fan OF either party. I think this was defenseless destruction of life. I put the blame across multiple parties including WEF globalists, MI5/6, Zelensky, Obama AND Putin.
I remember von Koehler's posting not long ago about this war would end if Russia just sacked up and went home. That's not untrue, most likely, but it doesn't resolve anything. Ukraine would still continue to be the world's laundromat because the country has long been bankrupted and can't exist any other way.

There are actually 3 people who could end this thing today. Putin could - I'll grant that Russia could just go back across the border (not gonna happen until they're satisfied that the ethnic Russians in the Donbass and other oblasts are secure, which means destroying the Ukrainian military and it's well on its way in doing so), Zelensky (not gonna happen because Ukraine is a corrupt country which cannot stand on its own and needs to keep stringing along in its corruption to even continue to exist) and .... drum roll: Joe Bai-Den. He could quit sending money and equipment into the black hole but the corruption from within Ukraine into his crime family and political party (witness the recent FDX crypto-crumbling which was funneling money his way) and the corruption in the MIC which is the OTHER entity raking in the billions which are getting "sent" to Ukraine is too extensive. The threat of exposure and the resultant prison terms (and possible hangings resulting from out-and-out treasonous acts) are too close for comfort.
 
Agreed but would say a bow-saw instead. for overall, but there is a place for an axe, if affordable. And I would recommend a single edge axe with the ability to use the back side as a hammer. Like to drive a wedge.
Oh yea, definitely a place for an axe. I have a half dozen. Can't split wood with a saw. But you can cut up dead branches that have fallen.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
It's your call, of course, which would be more useful. I think a saw would be a better tool but the disadvantage is that you'd want extra blades whereas you can resharpen a good axe. This is the type of saw I was thinking of; I've always called it a Swedish saw but I guess a "bow saw" is the proper name for one:
Could have sworn Oreally said he already had both. Oh well.

An axe or hatchet announces what you're doing to all and sundry. A saw is much more stealthy, and works better on light stuff.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Could have sworn Oreally said he already had both. Oh well.

An axe or hatchet announces what you're doing to all and sundry. A saw is much more stealthy, and works better on light stuff.
I thought he did as well. Those folding Corona saws are hard to beat for cutting stuff up to about 4-5" in diameter. Use them all the time. Love them. A camp ax would be very useful. I personally like the Estwing. While the steel handle does cause fatigue it is virtually unbreakable. Another thing is a good crowbar and a hammer for disassembling buildings walls furniture etc.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Could have sworn Oreally said he already had both. Oh well.

An axe or hatchet announces what you're doing to all and sundry. A saw is much more stealthy, and works better on light stuff.
No worries, he has said that he was a prepper before he wandered off to Ukraine so it would've made sense that he had them. I'm glad he's thinking about getting them now, though, before the rush hits. And it surely will hit soon.

Axe or saw? It depends. If I'm in the city, an axe is better for breaking up furniture to burn, plus it's a useful self-defense tool. In the countryside, I'll take the saw. More useful for branches and such plus way lighter to pack around.

From all the portable generator videos I'm seeing around Kiev at the moment, there's no problem getting gas right now. Yet.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Could have sworn Oreally said he already had both. Oh well.

An axe or hatchet announces what you're doing to all and sundry. A saw is much more stealthy, and works better on light stuff.

i have a great ( when an indian friend in wi saw it, he approved: 'good ax', lol) hatchet and a fairly good hand saw in my BOB.

went out today to the pile of chopped wood i saw yesterday and most of it was gone already. !

but enough was left for one load. and i realized i can only do this once a day...

but definitely a small good saw would be best.

gonna be a daily chore for the next month.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
i have a great ( when an indian friend in wi saw it, he approved: 'good ax', lol) hatchet and a fairly good hand saw in my BOB.
Was it by chance a Hudson's Bay axe? Bigger than a hatchet, small enough to fit in a backpack. Used those for years, and a very handy size. A Wisconsin indian would know that one.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Could have sworn Oreally said he already had both. Oh well.

An axe or hatchet announces what you're doing to all and sundry. A saw is much more stealthy, and works better on light stuff.
It does and is why I thought it best. Axe's while working on small stuff, they tend to leave a lot of chips around. I have a Gerber Camp axe/hatchet.

Ever watch Bonanza? Ya had 20 years worth of chances LOL. They had a large frame double X for holding, and sawing logs for that big fireplace and cook stove. Right out the front door, where they always road up and tied off their horses. And they used an old time Bow Saw to do it. They didn't split their logs. 'Course all their logs were.........Ponderosa Pine.

The point is much like chainsaws it cut straight through the wood, with less waste. Where as with an axe to cut through you have to back off each side and cut through using the V.

All a bow saw is, is a manual chainsaw. You can cut trees down with it. They use to use those big old two man cross cut saws, or axes to bring trees down.

The good thing about an axe is nobody will want to sneak up behind you. Well they might, but will only do it once. LOL
 

Abert

Veteran Member
It's often been said that a society gets the government it deserves. Shamefully, this doesn't exclude the US and thus we have what we have - a bunch of spineless crooks, thugs and other mentally ill rats while we regular folks wring our hands at it all.

I remember von Koehler's posting not long ago about this war would end if Russia just sacked up and went home. That's not untrue, most likely, but it doesn't resolve anything. Ukraine would still continue to be the world's laundromat because the country has long been bankrupted and can't exist any other way.

There are actually 3 people who could end this thing today. Putin could - I'll grant that Russia could just go back across the border (not gonna happen until they're satisfied that the ethnic Russians in the Donbass and other oblasts are secure, which means destroying the Ukrainian military and it's well on its way in doing so), Zelensky (not gonna happen because Ukraine is a corrupt country which cannot stand on its own and needs to keep stringing along in its corruption to even continue to exist) and .... drum roll: Joe Bai-Den. He could quit sending money and equipment into the black hole but the corruption from within Ukraine into his crime family and political party (witness the recent FDX crypto-crumbling which was funneling money his way) and the corruption in the MIC which is the OTHER entity raking in the billions which are getting "sent" to Ukraine is too extensive. The threat of exposure and the resultant prison terms (and possible hangings resulting from out-and-out treasonous acts) are too close for comfort.
I would add the US House - they control the $$$$. As with VN the "war" ended once the money flow stopped. The only problem is many of the so called Republicans are on the payroll of the MIC - not sure if the votes are there.
 
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