ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Squid

Veteran Member
This also points to two possibilities:
This was a deliberate misfire attempt
or
The supplied systems are not of the level of quality that the US and allies advertise...
Duuhhhh

Or the missile was fired by Russia likely not at maternity ward and just hit at not the intended target.

While both sides are expending Russian weapon systems seems more Ukrainian ordanance is western made.

Funny how everyone jumps on their favorite assumption on every report. People see what they believe.

When throwing stuff up in the air it eventually comes down somewhere and not always are the people firing these the best trained most proficient operaters.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Funny how everyone jumps on their favorite assumption on every report. People see what they believe.

And since none of us are on the ground over there and since the propaganda flows thick and furious from both sides it's probably not wisdom to hitch your horse to either. The oligarchs and politicians carve up countries and make riches for themselves and in this case both innocent Ukrainians and Russians suffer who really just want to be left to live their lives in peace.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Satellite Imagery Shows Extensive Destruction Of Ukraine Power Grid​

BY TYLER DURDEN

SUNDAY, NOV 27, 2022 - 08:55 AM

It was only a matter of time. The recent Russian pull-back of troops clearly indicated a broad shift in tactics, and the one thing that the Kremlin avoided for several months seemed like the next most logical step - Full spectrum strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure.

Initially, Ukraine's media spin suggested that the precision strikes were "ineffective", with western news outlets showing only a handful of images of craters in streets and some scarred apartment buildings. There were limited admissions of damage to the power and water grids, but Ukraine claimed that these systems would be back and functional within days. This did not happen.

Not surprisingly, Ukraine suffered far more damage to their utilities than the government and media let on. Later estimates ranged from 60% to 80% of the nation's grid destroyed or unusable and the latest satellite photos of active lights at night support this. Below, we can see lights across Ukraine on February 24th at the start of the war.

Next, we have an image taken from November 24th.

More than half the nation is in total darkness and the comparison to neighboring countries is stark. For the majority of the war Ukraine enjoyed near full use of their power grid, internet, water, gas, and other amenities, which is highly unusual during an invasion. The reasons for Vladimir Putin seeking to avoid damage to infrastructure are unknown, but public optics are the most likely explanation. With power resources nearly destroyed, the citizenry of Ukraine is facing a long cold winter with little to no relief in sight.

No doubt the media will portray this as a cold weather holocaust, though, elimination of infrastructure is usually the first measure of a large scale attack. It is standard operating procedure for the US military, for example. At this point, the coldest temperatures have yet to hit Ukraine, with average lows of 21°F (-6°C) in December. This kind of weather is not a problem with infrastructure intact, but with the grid down there will be chaos.

Water pipes will freeze and bust across major population centers, leaving only well water. The effects of the cold will be cumulative, and without heating and electric most other operations including economic operations will grind to a halt. Ukraine's population will have gone from relative comfort to brutal survival in the span of a couple months.

The next most obvious outcome is a refugee crisis, with millions of people seeking shelter in neighboring countries in order to escape the cold. Though mainstream analysts are finally admitting to the grid problem, there is still very little coverage of the actual consequences we are about to witness. The assertions that Ukraine is "winning" the war are harder to sell while at the same time acknowledging the massive economic and humanitarian disaster that is escalating in the wake of supposed victory.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
And since none of us are on the ground over there and since the propaganda flows thick and furious from both sides it's probably not wisdom to hitch your horse to either. The oligarchs and politicians carve up countries and make riches for themselves and in this case both innocent Ukrainians and Russians suffer who really just want to be left to live their lives in peace.
amen to that brother…
 

raven

TB Fanatic
There are a few things which could be considered to be positive out of this.

The US no longer has to be worried about the Russians invading.
It becomes obvious they do not have the naval resouces to put troops on the ground here. They could not even put landing boats into Odesa which they owned for 100 years. And they certainly can't drive tanks across he ocean. All we need worry about is nukes but after 10 months fighting the Biden administration in Ukraine, it certainly does not look like Russia wants to nuke us.

Europe no longer has to be worried about the Russians invading.
And the same goes for Russia invading Europe or NATO. While there may be rhetoric floating about that Russia wants to take over all of Europe, reality tells a different story. After 10 months, they barely got across the Dniper in the South and no where near that far in the North. Europe is pretty safe from the Russian threat.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
I can not understand how any American can support the crimes of Putin.

The Soviet National Anthem and the Holodomor aren't crimes of Putin.

As far as being an American . . . you are becoming quite the Social Justice Warrior - vote Biden again.
"Social Justice Warrior" - almost to the level of a paid troll. I'm not necessarily making this accusation, but the appearance is certainly there.
 

jward

passin' thru
⚡️Mobile communication continues to be restored in a number of regions of Ukraine, – State Special Communications.

It is reported that the best situation with providing communication is in the Chernivtsi, Cherkasy, Khmelnytskyi, Sumy, Rivne, Poltava, Kirovohrad, Dnipropetrovsk, Zhytomyr and Zakarpattia regions, where the availability of base stations by Sunday morning exceeds 90%.
 

jward

passin' thru
Ma’am, you are a constant source of amazement. You are an incredible resource of actual, factual, information. Thank-You for all you’ve done, are doing, and hopefully continue to do, in the future. Highest regards, OA
Good to see you, I'd just been wondering where you'd gotten off to.
..n as always, yer entirely too kind! Tis appreciated..
 

jward

passin' thru
Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald

Putin finally torpedoes the Russian propaganda myth of "separatists" and "civil war" in Ukraine. It was always a covert Russian military intervention, and media that continue to talk about "separatists" are quite simply misleading their audiences.
That's not to say there aren't some separatists in Ukraine - but they were always a tiny minority, and only in the areas where Kremlin forces managed to establish a foothold did the "separatists" succeed.
The "Donetsk People's Republic" and "Luhansk People's Republic" are sham entities, set up in 2014 to mask Russia's military intervention in Ukraine. They are controlled and financed from the Kremlin, and always have been.
The limited agency they are allowed is given so as to preserve the illusion that they have some legitimacy. But their "leaders" serve at the Kremlin's pleasure, and if they cross the Kremlin, they can be murdered or ousted.
View: https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1596896723112460289?s=20&t=Bj0MU0mm8EVwJ5_zGJMMWg
 
It's inconvenient and uncomfortable for those caught in it, which is normal for war. But the attack is measured and moderate. No cities have been firebombed, there have been no poison gas attacks, no wholesale civilian slaughter. Russia has been remarkably restrained, given the stakes.
That's kind of like saying "Officer, yeah, I attacked that guy with a knife and a baseball bat, but at least I didn't shoot him with my shotgun or even my hand gun." While true, it isn't exactly a convincing argument.
If you believe the above statement to be true, then lamenting that it is not a "convincing argument" is immaterial to the reality of the situation.

Truth simply is.


intothegoodnight
 

jward

passin' thru
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
24s

Russian Telegram is warning of a potential major supply chain disruption from China to Russia via the Ussuri route
It could impact supplies that help Russia shield itself against Ukraine War-related sanctions
This Telegram post and accompanying decree is sparking the panic. Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan can't suffice as supply chain routes due to secondary sanctions, while the opacity of Belarus and Armenia's transit routes are also highlighted as concerns
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1596901135675461634?s=20&t=Bj0MU0mm8EVwJ5_zGJMMWg
 

jward

passin' thru

Russian Soldiers Are Freezing To Death In Eastern Ukraine​


David Axe
Forbes Staff
I write about ships, planes, tanks, drones, missiles and satellites.
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Nov 27, 2022,
08:00am EST

Russians huddle in a trench as a drone bomb explodes among them.

Russians huddle in a trench as a drone bomb explodes among them.
Via social media
The Ukrainian army has deployed some of its best brigades to eastern Ukraine, including the 92nd and 93rd Mechanized Brigades and the 1st Presidential Brigade.


But these elite Ukrainian formations might not be the biggest killer of Russian troops in the east. Under-trained, under-supplied and ambivalently led, Russians in the region are freezing to death by the dozen.

Shocking videos that have circulated online in recent weeks tell a tragic story. The videos, shot by the Ukrainian brigades’ hovering drones, depict Russians in the late stages of hypothermia, so cold and sick that they barely react when the drones drop lethal improvised bombs on them.

Thomas Theiner, an ex-soldier who currently is a filmmaker in Kyiv, predicted winter “would kill more Russian soldiers than Ukraine ever could.” He may have been right.

Winters in Ukraine start wet and cold then get colder and drier. Eastern Ukraine still is in the wet-cold phase—and it’s brutal. Deep mud mires armored vehicles. Daytime temperatures hover around freezing, while nighttime temperatures dip closer to zero degrees Fahrenheit.

With preparation, sound leadership and reliable logistics, the conditions are survivable. Soldiers bundle up, sleep in roofed, heated trenches with floors, frequently change their wet socks and eat twice as much as they would on warm days. When they get sick, they evacuate to the rear for rest.
The problem, for the Russian army, is that more and more of its troops are untrained draftees. Officers aren’t leading from the front. And Russian logistics are strained by nonstop Ukrainian bombardment. Starving draftees with no gloves or good boots are huddling in shallow, unheated trenches while their officers squat in abandoned houses potentially miles away, unaware or uncaring as their soldiers succumb to the elements.

When you’re wet, hungry and exposed to the nighttime cold, it doesn’t take long for hypothermia to set in. One bad night is enough. Even moderate hypothermia can result in confusion, decreased reflexes and loss of motor skills.
Which explains the drone massacre that’s been playing out lately over contested eastern towns such as Svatove, Pavlivka and Bakhmut. Hypothermic Russian troops aren’t even trying to flee when Ukraine’s bomb-armed quadcopter drones buzz overhead. The soldiers barely flinch when a bomb explodes in their fighting position.

Suicides evidently are on the rise. One especially gut-wrenching video depicts a Russian combatant in scrape outside Bakhmut trying to shoot himself in the chest as a Ukrainian drone watches from directly overhead. The Russian’s ungloved right hand is blue with cold, and he struggles to pull the trigger.
The video feed cuts. When we see the Russian again, he apparently has succeeded in killing himself. He doesn’t move when the drone’s bomb explodes beside him.

It’s hard to say for sure how many Russians have died of the cold. But it’s worth noting that just one Russian marine unit, the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade, reportedly lost as many as 500 killed and 400 wounded in just the last three months fighting around Pavlivka. That’s potentially half the brigade’s original strength.
A nearly one-to-one killed-to-wounded ratio—one to three is normal—speaks to the collapse of Rusisan leadership ... and to the cold. Wounded troops, lying exposed to the elements, are dying before anyone bothers to rescue them.
Expect many, many more Russians to freeze to death as the weather gets worse. “Temperatures are forecasted to drop throughout Ukraine over the next week,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. noted on Saturday.

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db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
1100? That's impossible, or is it?

I have a multitude of complex programs on the computer such as CAD, photo-shop type, word processing conversion and analysis software among others. Now add up the individual steps that need to be taken for each program and the overall total will be staggering. I'm not boasting, as many here on this forum likely are the same.

With that said, a dedicated troop with a good brain could do 1100 HIMARS system tasks, with much training and repetitive experience.
 

jward

passin' thru

Ukraine nuclear boss says he sees signs Russia may leave occupied plant​


2 minute read
November 27, 2022
9:43 AM CST
Last Updated 42 min ago

3 minutes



KYIV, Nov 27 (Reuters) - The head of Ukraine's state-run nuclear energy firm said on Sunday there were signs that Russian forces might be preparing to leave the vast Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant which they seized in March soon after their invasion.
Such a move would be a major battlefield change in the partially-occupied southeastern Zaporizhzhia region where the front line has hardly shifted for months. Repeated shelling around the plant has spurred fears of a nuclear catastrophe.
"In recent weeks we are effectively receiving information that signs have appeared that they are possibly preparing to leave the (plant)," Petro Kotin, head of Energoatom, said on national television.

"Firstly, there are a very large number of reports in Russian media that it would be worth vacating the (plant) and maybe worth handing control (of it) to the (International Atomic Energy Agency - IAEA)," he said, referring to the United Nations nuclear watchdog. "One gets the impression they're packing their bags and stealing everything they can."
Russia and Ukraine, which was the site of the world's worst nuclear accident in Chornobyl in 1986, have for months repeatedly accused each other of shelling the Zaporizhzhia reactor complex, which is no longer generating energy.
Asked if it was too early to talk about Russian troops leaving the plant, Kotin said on television: "It's too early. We don't see this now, but they are preparing (to leave)."

"All of the (Ukrainian) personnel are forbidden to pass checkpoints and travel to Ukrainian(-controlled) territory."
The IAEA chief met a Russian delegation in Istanbul on Nov. 23 to discuss setting up a protection zone around the plant, Europe's largest, to prevent a nuclear disaster. Zaporizhzhia used to provide about a fifth of Ukraine's electricity.
Russia's RIA news agency quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov a day after the meeting as saying a decision on a protection zone should be taken "fairly quickly".
Ukraine this month recaptured the southern city of Kherson and a chunk of land on the right bank of the Dnipro in Kherson region that lies to the east of Zaporizhzhia province.
On Friday, the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Ukraine's three nuclear plants on government-held territory had been reconnected to the grid, two days after a Russian missile barrage forced them to shut for the first time in 40 years.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
There's enough in-service politics to get to 06/Colonel. Once there, if you're going to Flag Rank, 07/BG, you've got the actual politics of the Administration and Congress. Many hardcore sons of guns top out at 06/Col and then retire.

IMO, the number of true warfighters that have get to Flag Rank is slim and has been dropping as many probably aren't acceptable to the Progressives running the (was going to say "our" but recovered!) government.

Jeff B.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member

Russia Ops in Ukraine (Update): Western Propaganda Implodes as War of Attrition Grinds On​



Runtime - 48:30

Nov 27, 2022 Update on Russian military operations in and around Ukraine for November 28, 2022.
- Battle front is stable, Russian forces are pushing back amid stalled Ukrainian offensives;
- Russia continues dismantling Ukraine's power grid, leaving millions without electricity;
- US claims Russia is committing "war crimes" despite the US having targeted power grids repeatedly amid multiple wars of aggression;
- Western sources claim Russia is running out of cruise missiles because of older cruise missiles allegedly turning up in Ukraine;
- Using older cruise missiles and target drones to spoof enemy air defense systems is a long-standing and successful tactic;
- Western media admits growing complications regarding Ukraine's use of donated heavy weapons;

For Daily Updates on Ukraine & wider Geopolitical Issues:

Alexander Mecurious: https://www.youtube.com/@AlexMercouris
Alex Christoforou: https://www.youtube.com/@AlexChristof...
The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/@TheDuran

References:

BBC - Ukraine war: Six million without power as winter bites: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...
Washington Post - NATO Warplanes Jolt Yugoslav Power Grid (1999): https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...
Guardian - Russia firing ageing cruise missiles because stocks are depleted, MoD suggests: https://www.theguardian.com/world/202...
The Drive - Is Russia Now Firing Denuclearized Cruise Missiles At Ukraine?: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...
Arms Control Wonk - SCATHE MEAN IN DESERT STORM (2015): https://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archi...
Forces News - Ukrainian soldiers put through their paces on UK-led crash course (VIDEO): https://youtu.be/sQZuLDewPK0
The Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) - It’s Costing Peanuts for the US to Defeat Russia: https://cepa.org/article/its-costing-...
CEPA - About CEPA: https://cepa.org/about-cepa/
CEPA - Our Supporters: https://cepa.org/about-cepa/
New York Times - Artillery Is Breaking in Ukraine. It’s Becoming a Problem for the Pentagon.: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us...
Washington Post - Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...
US Department of Defense - $400 Million in Additional Assistance for Ukraine (November 23, 2022): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
Reuters - U.S. to support Ukraine 'for as long as it takes' against Russia -Pentagon: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
Reuters - UK to stay in Afghanistan "as long as it takes" (2010): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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It's your call, of course, which would be more useful. I think a saw would be a better tool but the disadvantage is that you'd want extra blades whereas you can resharpen a good axe. This is the type of saw I was thinking of; I've always called it a Swedish saw but I guess a "bow saw" is the proper name for one:

https://www.amazon.com/Bahco-10-30-23-30-Inch-Ergo-Green/dp/B0001IX7TW/ref=sr_1_5?crid=4FFV5IIBLDDK&keywords=swedish+hand+saw&qid=1669475359&sprefix=swedish+hand+s,aps,1123&sr=8-5&th=1

The other type of hand saw (and one I keep in my pack) is a small folding saw which will get the job done and doesn't need extra blades:

https://www.amazon.com/Corona-RazorTOOTH-Folding-RS-7265D/dp/B001RD7LRO/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=4FFV5IIBLDDK&keywords=swedish+hand+saw&qid=1669475723&sprefix=swedish+hand+s,aps,1123&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUE0NTU4SkVWRUsxTjEmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAwNjQ2MTgyUFpFUkRUV1owWlUmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDE2MDI4NTJHWFJLT0pYNkROQ00md2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Glad to hear you're thinking of them. Get them soonest before everyone else has the same idea, though.
A saw tends to be quieter, also. You can hear wood being chopped a LONG way in cold air.

Summerthyme
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Euan MacDonald
@Euan_MacDonald

Putin finally torpedoes the Russian propaganda myth of "separatists" and "civil war" in Ukraine. It was always a covert Russian military intervention, and media that continue to talk about "separatists" are quite simply misleading their audiences.
That's not to say there aren't some separatists in Ukraine - but they were always a tiny minority, and only in the areas where Kremlin forces managed to establish a foothold did the "separatists" succeed.
The "Donetsk People's Republic" and "Luhansk People's Republic" are sham entities, set up in 2014 to mask Russia's military intervention in Ukraine. They are controlled and financed from the Kremlin, and always have been.
The limited agency they are allowed is given so as to preserve the illusion that they have some legitimacy. But their "leaders" serve at the Kremlin's pleasure, and if they cross the Kremlin, they can be murdered or ousted.
View: https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1596896723112460289?s=20&t=Bj0MU0mm8EVwJ5_zGJMMWg

Revolutions have consequences.
The American Revolution ended in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris.
The US Constitution which created the United States was not ratified until 1788.
During the period in between, the 13 former colonies were 13 independent states.
It took five years to reconcile differences to collect those states into one country.

In Ukraine, they had a "revolution".
They failed to reconcile differences between the states (Donbas, Luhansk, Crimea).
The Donetsk Peoples Republic was formed after the Maidan Revolution in 2014. Along with Luhansk and Crimea.

If they were sham entities, why did their war with Ukraine, supported by the greatest US military expertise in the history of the world, last for 8 years before Putin acted.
Russia gave them 8 years of killing babies and women and children - and no one shed a tear or gave it a second thought . . . because they were ethnic Russians.
Pursuing war for eight years is fairly indicative of a not being a political sham.

The new country of Ukraine did not solidify their sovereignty over the breakaway republics.
What you might notice is they consider Donetsk Independence credible enough to "spin a tale".

This is why every country in the world prefers to have "an peaceful transfer of power" and why we have J6 prisoners being held.
Because with revolutions, new countries get formed and often they don't include the territory of the former.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
REALLY??? Russia is going to send a rocket likely costing several hundred thousand dollars to hit a maternity ward? As opposed to military targets or more of the power grid - most likely this was a Ukrainian AA rocket that missed and came back to earth - recall Poland the other day.
Yea for sure. I don't want to be offensive to anyone, but to believe the Russians would waste a missile on a maternity ward and get nothing for it but bad publicity is really naive and just seeing what you want to see.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Russian official staggeringly admits 'we have no socks, shorts, doctors, or intelligence'

A pro-war official has made an incredible public admission of the total lack of equipment provided to Russian soldiers.

By CHARLES HARRISON, LIAM DOYLE
17:56, Sun, Nov 27, 2022 | UPDATED: 18:16, Sun, Nov 27, 2022

One of the Kremlin’s most prominent nationalist politicians said the Russian military does not have an adequate number of doctors or other adequate supplies in an extraordinary tirade against the state of Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. During a meeting on Saturday with the mothers of soldiers mobilised for the war, Leonid Slutsky, leader of the populist Liberal Democratic Party and chairman of the foreign relations committee in the lower house of parliament, has been a staunch supporter of the invasion - but offered a surprising public admission of issues facing the Russian military.

He said at the meeting: “There are not enough doctors in the military units; everyone says this. I cannot say they do not exist at all, but they are practically not seen there.

“We must understand that the whole world is watching us. We are the largest state and when we do not have socks, shorts, doctors, intelligence, communications, or simply care for our children, questions arise that will be very difficult to answer.”

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