ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

raven

TB Fanatic
I wouldn't care to.
Population is only 730,000.
That's less than Tulsa.
If you gave it back, almost no one would notice.

Only reason people want it is because . . . they want.
Alaska has been a state less time than most have been alive.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
Population is only 730,000.
That's less than Tulsa.
If you gave it back, almost no one would notice.

Only reason people want it is because . . . they want.
Alaska has been a state less time than most have been alive.
Товарищ, are you serious?
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Population is only 730,000.
That's less than Tulsa.
If you gave it back, almost no one would notice.

Only reason people want it is because . . . they want.
Alaska has been a state less time than most have been alive.
avg age in the US is about 38-39. Alaska has been a state for 63 years. How does that math work?
 

Abert

Veteran Member
So why did a Russian missile hit that hospital?
So who says it was a Russian Missile - ?? Ukrainian Officials ??? - they are still claiming/insisting their S300 missile (or 2) they hit Poland with was fired by Russia - yep 100% solid source of truth - While it is possible it was a Russian Missile that went off target (unlikely - they are VERY accurate) or more likely - with Ukrainian's firing dozens of AA Missiles which if they hit over the city - well you then have hundreds / thousands of pounds of damaged parts falling out of the sky - on civilian structures - or they miss and impact the ground - and at times civilian structures.
For months now we keep being told that Russia is almost out of Missiles - they have almost none remaining - yet we are expected to accept they would take one of their few last remaining ones and use it to hit a hospital ? - and in doing so - only ONE person was killed?
 

northern watch

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From my email inbox Bloomberg Balance Of Power November 25 2022

Parlous predicament | Backed by a staff of just 17, Victor Binzari and his two sidekicks have been scrambling to find alternative sources of power for Moldova since mid-October, when Russian strikes in neighboring Ukraine took out the substations providing almost a third of the country’s electricity imports. It’s a precarious situation, and as Marc Champion reports, a well-aimed Russian missile, or just the flip of a switch in separatist Transnistria, could cut Moldova’s new European lifeline.

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Squid

Veteran Member
Are making, or getting through in spite of the sanctions???

This is a very very important distinction and after the Poland fiasco might really want to square your accusation before throwing stuff out there.

Sometimes the Ukranians throw stuff out there with no regard on who exactly is paying the bills. They have at times mindlessly bitten the hand so to
speak.

Of course the sanctions are really always been more political theater that punishes western companies except those that export India and China and golly gee whiz Wally we didn’t know they would resell to another party shipping to Russia.

Of course by law that also is illegal but if you are heavy demo donor then we know laws don’t apply.
 

jward

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A Belarusian opposition outlet citing sources reported that he had a heart attack. I expect a statement on the cause tomorrow.

Reading a bit about the late FM now. Even though he is a staunch ally of Lukashenko he seemed to have held some soft positions towards the west. When he died earlier today I also saw Russian sources calling him a relatively pro-western foreign minister https://nashaniva.com/304056
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1596657052025294852?s=20&t=XjLhdGJco0NprZKA5igCrg


Carl Bildt
@carlbildt

It was years since I last saw Vladimir Makei, but then he was very clear on his determination to prevent his country coming under the control of the Kremlin, and not shying away from describing Moscow’s policies as imperialistic. RIP




Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2


Rossiya-1 commentator Igor Korotchenko hints at foul play in Belarusian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei's death Korotchenko calls for greater security for leaders in the post-Soviet space, Turkey and Iran, and a biological security unit

While Korotchenko does not provide any details about the cause of Makei's death or blame anymore specific for it, his comments indirectly hint at the poisoning rumour
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1596994146975506433?s=20&t=BYnp1BmNRRdmdR7Z560d6A


4:25 PM · Nov 27, 2022·Twitter Web App
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2


Rossiya-1 commentator Igor Korotchenko hints at foul play in Belarusian Foreign Minister Vladimir Makei's death Korotchenko calls for greater security for leaders in the post-Soviet space, Turkey and Iran, and a biological security unit

While Korotchenko does not provide any details about the cause of Makei's death or blame anymore specific for it, his comments indirectly hint at the poisoning rumour
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1596994146975506433?s=20&t=BYnp1BmNRRdmdR7Z560d6A


4:25 PM · Nov 27, 2022·Twitter Web App
heart attack is MO of our CIA. I have doubts if it was Russia...
 

Roger Thornhill

Some irascible old curmudgeon
I find it very troubling that Colonel MacGregor's analysis exactly confirms journalist Gonzalo Lira's forecast from two weeks ago. One is a very experienced military historian/tactician/strategist, the other is a very astute observer and reporter. Both indicate the the Russian pullback is not a sign of defeat, but a deliberate pause to regroup, rebuild, and prepare for a massive offensive in the very near future.

Both seem to think that an overwhelming offensive will begin in the next four to six weeks. When it does, the world will be plunged into real chaos. Resources, energy, food, manufactured goods - all will be disrupted. Political alliances will be torn apart. The most frightening part of the unfolding events will be the real possibility of a nuclear exchange, most likely initiated by the United States.

Here is Lira's commentary for comparison:

<<<<<< currently sorting 5.56x45 brass for reloading, in anticipation of the festivities here at home.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Yeah, Russians can't fight and the Ukies are kicking their asses. Sure, that's it.

Garbage in, garbage out ...

BTW- Lira has been on target from the getgo, too. Gotta vet your sources, folks, and the MSM including FAUX has proven itself.
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What 'Putin Wing' Ex-Colonel Douglas Macgregor Has Said About Ukraine War
BY NATALIE COLAROSSI ON 3/20/22 AT 10:57 AM EDT

Retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor has made headlines over the past several weeks for his controversial comments about Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine.

Macgregor, who served as a senior advisor under former President Donald Trump, has frequently appeared on Fox News programs, including Tucker Carlson's show, to discuss Russia's invasion. He has received backlash from both Democrats and Republicans for seeming to take a stance favorable toward Russia and its President Vladimir Putin. In multiple interviews, Macgregor has confidently predicted that the conflict will end with Russia "annihilating" Ukrainian forces and winning the war. One such interview, with Carlson, was aired on Russia's state-controlled TV.

Macgregor also said that Russian forces were "too gentle" in the early stages of the Ukraine invasion, and referred to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a "puppet." Those comments prompted Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney to describe Macgregor as part of the "Putin wing of the GOP."
 
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Old Greek

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reW9LjB6V3I


RT: 42.07

I'm assuming that most of you are familiar with Col. Douglas MacGregor, the retired US Colonel who has become one of the noted commentators on the Ukraine War.

In this wide-ranging interview - which is well worth viewing - he briefly discussed the vaunted HIMARS system, which we've been supplying to the Ukrainians. One thing he said absolutely blew me away. He explained that the HIMARS system only required two men to operate, one of whom is the driver. He then elaborated and explain that the HIMARS driver has to learn and execute 1100 different tasks. 1100!

That is staggering and explains why the US has not been able to simply donate HIMARS to Ukraine to be operated by Ukrainian crews. I can't think of any task I've ever learned, including at commercial diving school, which required me to learn 1100 different things to execute. Have any of you?

The rest of MacGregor's interview covers the state of US, Ukrainian and Russian forces, US and European politics and some other weapons systems, It's a good listen.

Best
Doc
I have trouble remembering a new phone number without writing it down!
 

Red Baron

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Military modernisation is a complex task for any state. Individual system selection is usually based on competitive trials and an extensive review and evaluation process.

Usually.

Poland's plans are a little different - ordering what is basically an entire new army's worth of equipment (with more tanks than many other major European states combined) from the Republic of Korea without any sort of extended trials process.

In this episode, I ask the question of why a country in Europe would suddenly buy 1,000 tanks and hundreds of artillery pieces from a country half way around the world without so much as a trials program for the tank.

To comment on why Poland may have selected the K2 - I've invited back the Chieftain to give a tanker's expert view on the question.


58:59

Polish military modernisation & why are they buying Korean tanks? - Featuring @The Chieftain

View: https://youtu.be/yrbaAKZfjwg


Timestamps:
00:00:00 — OPENING WORDS
00:02:06 — WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT
00:03:04 — SPONSOR: WORLD OF TANKS
00:04:32 — THE POLISH MILITARY
00:04:44 — A Cold War Force
00:06:23 — Between East and West
00:07:42 — The Military of 2021
00:08:20 — Designed with Purpose
00:10:32 — Poland's Competing Requirements
00:12:03 — The Polish DIB
00:13:13 — Borsuk & Krab
00:14:12 — THE BUYING SPREE
00:15:34 — K2
00:16:10 — K9
00:16:56 — K239
00:19:34 — FA-50
00:19:57 — A "Diverse" Fleet
00:20:54 — HOW ARE THEY AFFORDING IT
00:20:58 — Divest to Invest
00:22:34 — Budgets and Margins
00:24:03 — But it is Expensive
00:25:15 — WHY KOREAN
00:25:25 — An Extensive Order Book
00:26:12 — ASSESSING K2
00:26:22 — Guest: The Chieftain
00:36:55 — THE INDUSTRIAL DIMENSION
00:37:27 — More Than Just Speculations
00:38:32 — KOREAN EXPORT STRATEGY
00:38:49 — A Growing Player
00:39:29 — RoK Arms Exports (SIPRI TIV 2001-21)
00:39:53 — Competitive Advantages
00:41:21 — Playing to Their Strengths
00:42:20 — The Strategy
00:43:31 — TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER & MARKET PENETRATION
00:43:42 — S1: Imported Hardware
00:45:52 — S2: Domestic Production
00:48:05 — S3: Joint Development & Marketing
00:49:36 — TARGET EUROPE
00:49:54 — The European Market
00:50:57 — Entrenched Actors
00:51:43 — Evolving Tank Fleets
00:53:09 — A Third Competitor
00:55:20 — The Korean Offer
00:56:48 — CONCLUSIONS
00:57:50 — CHANNEL UPDATE
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Yeah, Russians can't fight and the Ukies are kicking their asses. Sure, that's it.

Garbage in, garbage out ...

BTW- Lira has been on target from the getgo, too. Gotta vet your sources, folks, and the MSM including FAUX has proven itself.
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What 'Putin Wing' Ex-Colonel Douglas Macgregor Has Said About Ukraine War
BY NATALIE COLAROSSI ON 3/20/22 AT 10:57 AM EDT

Retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor has made headlines over the past several weeks for his controversial comments about Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine.

Macgregor, who served as a senior advisor under former President Donald Trump, has frequently appeared on Fox News programs, including Tucker Carlson's show, to discuss Russia's invasion. He has received backlash from both Democrats and Republicans for seeming to take a stance favorable toward Russia and its President Vladimir Putin. In multiple interviews, Macgregor has confidently predicted that the conflict will end with Russia "annihilating" Ukrainian forces and winning the war. One such interview, with Carlson, was aired on Russia's state-controlled TV.

Macgregor also said that Russian forces were "too gentle" in the early stages of the Ukraine invasion, and referred to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a "puppet." Those comments prompted Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney to describe Macgregor as part of the "Putin wing of the GOP."
Re: Colonel MacGregor's comments being controversial: There's a difference between realistic instead of out-and-out going along with the cool kids of the in crowd. Truth is usually considered controversial by the emotional, unthinking mob.

I wonder if Cheney has already got her new job with MSNBC or CNN lined up after New Year's. Those are the only people who'll listen to her.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Yeah, Russians can't fight and the Ukies are kicking their asses. Sure, that's it.

Garbage in, garbage out ...

BTW- Lira has been on target from the getgo, too. Gotta vet your sources, folks, and the MSM including FAUX has proven itself.
There's some nuggets of absolute truth right there, Doz.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
So why did a Russian missile hit that hospital?
I'm gonna do a rant here but it's nothing personal, Baron, as always.

That was a tragedy for that young family especially. And the picture was cynically published because it was made to order to spread far and wide to people who wouldn't even stop to think about its veracity. Well, I do. Who has proof it was a Russian-launched missile? The Ukrainians? Is there any proof at all? Debris? Parts? Pictures? Identifying numbers off the debris? No? Just a press release and a shameless picture posted of some young family's devastation. A guaranteed tear-jerker, that is. I should be surprised that anywhere else even on this forum, someone makes an assertion of some sort and people immediately say "source?", except in the case of war propaganda. It spreads unabated.

Remember back to the "Russian" missile which killed those two Polish farmers. Even Bai-Den (who knew the truth from the get-go because of the NRO's tracking) called it a "Russian-made missile" in his first announcement. Well duh .... Ukraine's air defense system S-300 is using missiles built in the 80s by Soviet factories. (Even if they were manufactured in Ukraine, they were built for the Soviet military) He had to be careful with the wording but most listeners only heard "Russian missiles". The word "made" was silent in most folks' comprehension.

It didn't take too long for the truth to take hold except for the fact that Zelensky was the only person who continued to insist that it was a Russia-launched missile until his bosses told him to just shut up. Has anyone heard about reparations from Ukraine for their mistake in taking away the fathers of two innocent families? Talk of an investigation into war crimes on innocent, defenseless civilians going about their daily lives? I didn't think so.

Maybe I'm assigning too much credence to modern targeting, but any time a precision air-to-surface weapon lands somewhere awry, it was either damaged or jammed. They just don't miss very often. But I would be willing to place a large wager that IF some actual proof were provided instead of just some Ukie press release (or a western tweet going off of Ukie sources, as they mostly do), the evidence would most likely show it was an errant surface-to-air defense missile which had missed its target and landed in some random place, killing some unfortunate people.

Once again, it's the innocents bearing the brunt of the devastation while their situations are being used as outrage fodder. And the people who unthinkingly spread the outrage are letting themselves be cynically used.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, Russians can't fight and the Ukies are kicking their asses. Sure, that's it.

Garbage in, garbage out ...

BTW- Lira has been on target from the getgo, too. Gotta vet your sources, folks, and the MSM including FAUX has proven itself.
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A lot of people who should know better have the idea that the Russian war machine is akin to their crude, WWII Soviet fore-bearers. The WWII Soviets used a relatively small technological vanguard to lead a massive peasant army (which suffered horrendous losses). They also received massive material assistance from the Western Allies, without which they probably would've lost to the Germans, though one better not dare mention that last observation to any Russians.

Both during and after that war, the Soviets realized that they never wanted to be caught in that position again. As a result they vastly increased their manufacturing sector and also increased the nation's educational facilities on a previously unimaginable scale. This, incidentally, is why they were able to lavishly supply their Communist satellite states and insurrectionist allies with war material during the Cold War. It's also why they were able to underwrite so much Third World education. It was a Communist education, but on the technical side, an Ohm is still an Ohm and a micrometer is still a micrometer.

The average Soviet citizen of 1955 was far more sophisticated than the 1935 citizen and similarly, today's Russian citizen is light years ahead of the 1955 version. Most Russians know how to use cell phones and computers, just like those of us in the West. One should also remember that the Soviets placed the first satellite in orbit and also launched the first man into space.

Those who've underestimated the Russians, like Napoleon and Hitler, usually came to bad endings.

Best
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jward

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EU Accuses Washington Of Making A Fortune From Ukraine War​


by Tyler Durden​




"Nine months after invading Ukraine, Vladimir Putin is beginning to fracture the West," Politico observes in a surprising admission which marks a stark reversal from prior mainstream media optimism and cheerleading of the White House's blank check approach to supporting Ukraine. "Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer."

There's clearly growing frustration among European officials over Washington's refusal to push the Zelensky government to the negotiating table while an unprecedented billions worth of weaponry and defense aid pours in, risking unpredictable escalation between NATO and Russia. Meanwhile European populations will continue being the first to pay the price amid frigid winter temperatures and a simultaneous severe energy supply crisis even as some leaders still spout abstract ideals of "sacrifice".
Macron and Biden on sidelines of a G20 meeting earlier this month in Indonesia, via AFP.
And all the while Biden has continued rolling out his controversial green subsidies and taxes which are widely perceived as unfairly punishing European industries at this most sensitive juncture.
A senior European official speaking to Politico additionally blasted the White House policy of in effect using the Ukraine war to line the pockets of American defense contractors while at the same turning a deaf ear on European pleas for some relief to the no-win situation.

"The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons," the senior official said.
The person acknowledged a large-scale shift in sentiment happening, largely driven by the intractable 'win in Ukraine at all costs' stance of the US administration:
The explosive comments — backed in public and private by officials, diplomats and ministers elsewhere — follow mounting anger in Europe over American subsidies that threaten to wreck European industry. The Kremlin is likely to welcome the poisoning of the atmosphere among Western allies.
"We are really at a historic juncture,” the senior EU official said, arguing that the double hit of trade disruption from U.S. subsidies and high energy prices risks turning public opinion against both the war effort and the transatlantic alliance. "America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries."
But the US National Security Council has lately reiterated its position that the crisis is solely on Putin's shoulders full-stop, while Washington is simply presenting ramped-up US liquefied natural gas delivery to Europe as fulfilling the need to "diversify away from Russia," according to a NSC statement.

Via EIA/Daily Mail

Even the typically compliant EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell is now questioning and showing hints of losing faith in 'united' efforts to support Ukraine, acknowledging to Politico, "Americans — our friends — take decisions which have an economic impact on us."
And for a more pointed breakdown of the problem as Brussels sees it...
"The United States sells us its gas with a multiplier effect of four when it crosses the Atlantic," European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton said on French TV on Wednesday. "Of course the Americans are our allies... but when something goes wrong it is necessary also between allies to say it."
Another EU diplomat cited in the Politico report described that Biden's $369 billion industrial subsidy scheme to support green industries as part of the Inflation Reduction Act unleashed panic across European capitals.
"The Inflation Reduction Act has changed everything," the EU diplomat said. "Is Washington still our ally or not?" This rising fury could spill into the streets as more European households are likely to experience shortages in electricity and heat this winter, further intensifying the pressure on EU politicians.

 

jward

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The Washington Times
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Build the wall? Finland plans border fence with Russia as NATO membership looms

View: https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1597089167288270849?s=20&t=J-KVAuVHlhTWuxnL20svNQ
 

jward

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Russia-Ukraine war: List of key events, day 277​

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters its 277th day, we take a look at the main developments.
Published On 27 Nov 202227 Nov 2022

Here is the situation as it stands on Sunday, November 27:

Fighting​



  • The Dnipropetrovsk region was hit by five Russian attacks from multiple rocket launchers and heavy artillery, said Governor Valentyn Reznichenko. Several houses and other buildings were destroyed, but there were no reported casualties.
  • At least 32 people in the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson have been killed by Russian shelling since pro-Moscow forces pulled out two weeks ago, the head of Ukraine’s police said.
  • Fleeing shelling, civilians streamed out of the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson, which was recaptured weeks ago.
  • Cold weather is slowing military activity on the front line, reported the Institute for the Study of War think-tank.
  • Ukraine accused the Kremlin of reviving the “genocidal” tactics of Josef Stalin as Kyiv commemorated a Soviet-era famine that killed millions of Ukrainians in the winter of 1932-33.
  • Heavy snowfall was expected in the capital, Kyiv, with temperatures dropping below freezing day and night. Millions of people in and around the Ukrainian capital remain with little electricity and heat.
  • Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said more than 3,000 specialists for a local utility continued to work “around the clock” and succeeded in restoring heat to more than 90 percent of residential buildings.
  • While about one-quarter of Kyiv residents remained without electricity, Klitschko said water services had returned to all in the city.

Grain summit​


  • Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy hosted a summit in Kyiv with allied nations to launch a plan to export $150m worth of grain to countries most vulnerable to famine and drought.
  • Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said Ukraine — despite its own financial straits — has $24m to buy corn for countries including Yemen, Sudan, Kenya and Nigeria.
  • Last year, Ukraine and Russia provided about 30 percent of the world’s exported wheat and barley, 20 percent of its corn, and more than 50 percent of its sunflower oil.

Oil​


  • Zelenskyy said the price for Russian seaborne oil should be capped at between $30 and $40 per barrel, lower than the level G7 nations have proposed.


Dangerous reporting on the war in Ukraine | The Listening Post​

25m RT
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMuOdRYT7NE


66,065 views Nov 26, 2022

As the war in Ukraine hits nine months, the news output is becoming harder, not easier, to navigate. Much of the coverage is misleading at best and dangerous at worst - and with the war showing no signs of stopping, even the term diplomacy has somehow become a dirty word.

 
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