DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger
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Cyclonemom
Veteran Member
Like Doc1, I have only been partially following this saga here.
I understand there are many souls downstream. But other than that, what implications would a dam failure have for China. And the secondary effects on the world?
I understand there are many souls downstream. But other than that, what implications would a dam failure have for China. And the secondary effects on the world?
Live is relative wrt information and media from China. With the questions about the integrity and the amount of prestige China has put in their constructing the dam there is absolutely no way is there a live ‘live’ feed. There is either a delay with a reset clock or looping previous transmissions with a tweaked calendar and clock.
Either way they will never broadcast or allow any major failure or problem across the great firewall.
"It's a big saga". Your inquiry was post #1682. Your question is relevant, but the answer is sufficiently complex that it's hard, actually, impossible, to address succinctly. I can only attempt a rather inadequate "bullet point" summary:
* Loss of electricity--down from 101 Terrawats to _____?
* Flooding ranging from severe to catastrophic. [Below]
* 400M people live downstream--scores have already died. "With the Chinese, you never know the true numbers". 28M reportedly are "being relocated"--again, who knows the truth.
* 66 +/- NUCLEAR GENERATORS lie downstream--I leave this to your imagination. [Multiple posts here about this topic. Fukushima, reactor rods, etc. are all referenced repeatedly. ]
* The region involved is a major "Chinese breadbasket"--"No rice or grains for Chairman Xi this year". [WE ARE NOW SELLING "BIGLY"]
* Wuhan region produces, reportedly, the majority of international pharmaceuticals (Rx) and OTC, non-prescription drugs--either as finished products or as components. This is huge, so I, for one, got physical script from my doctor to get EXTRA SUPPLIES OF EVERY CRITICAL Rx I NOW USE + augmented all stocks of OTCs. You should too!
* Wuhan houses the Level IV bio-lab which gave us COVID-19 [too many stories to tell about that--will we ever know the truth?]
* Wuhan is a prime supplier of both FINISHED AUTOS [multiple foreign brands] and a major PARTS SUPPLIER to the world--if a true "Mega-flood" Hollywood style, occurred, everyone would feel the impact...eventually.
* THINK OF ALL THE MYRIAD THINGS you, and I, take for granted from WALMART aka ChinaMart every week.
EVEN IF, there is no "wall of water", historic flooding HAS ALREADY OCCURRED; many lives have already been lost; and China's capability to produce either foodstuffs or manufactured items has fallen.
Posts above contain, in addition to much chatter and speculation; some very reliable summaries of complaints about QC in construction; abject corruption; and general massive incompetence with regard to every aspect of building and operating 3GD; complex analyses, and more speculation about such sophisticated threats as "cavitation"; possible remedial measures; and so much more. Some posters appear to be extremely well informed and very astute--most of the rest of us just conjecture. 3GD IS A MASSIVE WORLD PROBLEM, ALREADY. IF IT FAILS, IT'S PROBABLY A WORLD IMPACTING EVENT with consequences which transcend the loss of life and physical damage to potential regime changes in China; threats of regional or world wars, and more. "Let the Waters Flow".
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bw
Fringe Ranger
It would be an industrial disaster. Major supply lines of all kinds of manufactured goods, and particularly pharmaceuticals, would be massively disrupted. Any prescription you take is at risk.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
I’m on my tablet so no link, go over to market to market and read this past Friday's transcript about the three gorges dam. If this dam goes a world wide depression is guaranteed. M2M is known for their conservative views and tends to play stuff down so if they’re sounding the alarm then things are bad, really bad.
DannyBoy
Veteran Member
Just something I noticed... the rock in the middle was not exposed yesterday... the rock on the left was barely showing, so the water level behind the dam has gone down... some spillways must have been closed off, and actually it looks like that is the case. my video on the side view was working, but now is frozen. FWIW
bw
Fringe Ranger
If your observations about the rocks are correct, then the water downstream from the dam has gone down. That tells us nothing about the water above the dam. Perhaps they've closed one or more spillways due to cavitation, and water behind the dam is rising. Insufficient data at this point.
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Doomer Doug
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Here is a whole dump of videos, maybe some of them posted here before or not.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An-c6i2xlKc
This is a live feed, so it has no runtime. It has live chat too.
This is a live feed, so it has no runtime. It has live chat too.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Massive rainstorms inbound from the Pacific Ocean. Again, no runtime listed for whatever reason.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBl-uLgxCJE
This video gives an in-depth breakdown of the water level of the three gorges dam and talks about cavitation and the possibility of a hurricane/typhoon hitting China the next few days.
This video gives an in-depth breakdown of the water level of the three gorges dam and talks about cavitation and the possibility of a hurricane/typhoon hitting China the next few days.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
This one actually has a RT of 14 minutes.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veYhRQvZ7xk
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM CONTROVERSIAL & WAS IT WORTH IT?
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM CONTROVERSIAL & WAS IT WORTH IT? The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric gravity dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam has been the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity since 2012.
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM CONTROVERSIAL & WAS IT WORTH IT?
CHINA'S 3 GORGES DAM CONTROVERSIAL & WAS IT WORTH IT? The Three Gorges Dam is a hydroelectric gravity dam that spans the Yangtze River by the town of Sandouping, in Yiling District, Yichang, Hubei province, China. The Three Gorges Dam has been the world's largest power station in terms of installed capacity since 2012.
bw
Fringe Ranger
The chat is spending lots of time trying to decide if it's a loop. Doesn't appear to be looping within the covered time span. No idea if it's current, of course.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
This video shows that the CCP are using Chinese villagers as collateral, and not sending emergency services relief into the area, they are also not able to harvest 70% of their rice this year and this means that food price inf
RT 11:00
THREE GORGES DAM POTENTIAL COLLAPSE UPDATE - Also Food Price Inflation
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Chinese Chat is always a crapshoot, BW, If the CCP thinks you are posting crap, they will shoot you. 
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Two questions--that maybe others with more knowledge (and time) than I can find out:
1. What is the weather forecast in China--particularly over 3GD--right now, this minute? I
I thought torrential new rains were predicted. But -- it's a bright sunny day here in Amityville/I mean 3GD
2. "Could" it be that this is an "OLD" video? Maybe of when 3GD was FIRST BUILT and they were TESTING it by running the water up to full pool (175 m) and then letting it out?
Here's why I ask: The angle of tbe water coming out of the spillways is DIFFERENT than it's been the past few days---seems much less; the water is NOT muddy or yellow-looking any more; and (of course) the camera zoom is now so far back you couldn't see any ejected material if it WAS there.
In short---I think this is an OLD video, with TODAY's time stamp on it.
I checked the weather with the video a couple hours ago. The weather reported overcast skies. It looked it on the video. I don't know. It did seem like the water was shooting out of the chutes pretty high, but it's hard to judge since the view is a bit different.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Not overcast at all on the video I see. Bright, sunny. Scattered clouds, but not enough to obscure the sun:
(BTW--my video froze RIGHT AFTER I got this screenshot---hmmmm....)
DragonBurrow
Contributing Member
My feed Is locked up but had this lovely shot of the water coming out of the gates. We have discussed previously water angles and distance the water is shooting out of the gate. Hopefully this glitch will be of use to us answering those questions.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Feed working again now:
Bright and sunny---water shooting high & you can easily see UNDER the stream coming out of the floodgates. Before, you couldn't see ANYTHING but the upward-spiraling waters jetting out of the floodgates...
Bright and sunny---water shooting high & you can easily see UNDER the stream coming out of the floodgates. Before, you couldn't see ANYTHING but the upward-spiraling waters jetting out of the floodgates...
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Even if the water has gone down a bit behind the dam, that could just be because the recent storms come and go, with a new set on the way (from what I hear) so the flooding upstream from the dam while still catastrophic may indeed be a bit lower or higher from one day to the next.
The real question is the extent of the cavitization of the dam, that is what made my engineer housemate (who designs pumps for water treatment plants) turn white and refuse to comment further.
The real question is the extent of the cavitization of the dam, that is what made my engineer housemate (who designs pumps for water treatment plants) turn white and refuse to comment further.
MinnesotaSmith
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FWIW, BDAnon now thinking that the CCP will lash out if the dam goes.
Donghe Surfer
Veteran Member
For a newb here, where are you following BDAnon? (link, etc.)? thanks
Melodi
Disaster Cat
This was posted earlier (a few pages back) there is a room dedicated to him in the member's only area.
DannyBoy
Veteran Member
Agree... do not expect it to collapse, but what I could see is one or more of the sections of the concrete pours shift enough relative to another section to allow a lot of water to flow between... maybe a 25 foot wall of water...
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
It's been published several times in this 43-page thread. Maybe try doing a search on the thread (we have a really GOOD search-engine, now! Thanks, Dennis!) using "reactors" for the search-term. Or "nuclear plants".
Remember it's NOT 66 power "plants"--they have less than that---but each nuclear power plant on the river has between 1 to 6 reactors, and the # 66 refers to the number of reactors, not power plants.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Agree... do not expect it to collapse, but what I could see is one or more of the sections of the concrete pours shift enough relative to another section to allow a lot of water to flow between... maybe a 25 foot wall of water...
Agree. If it blows it will go piecemeal over several hours. Each chunk that fails will simultaneously lessen the pressure on the adjacent chunk (because the local water level will drop) and increase the scour on it. I expect one failure, then the ones on each side of that, then the ones next out, and so on. I'd be surprised if more than a sixth of the entire span were to end up destroyed.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
To answer a question earlier---I believe it is this video that shows the location of the nuclear power plants along the Yangtze.
I used the search feature earlier and cannot find a list of the reactors.
This is the only list of Chinese nuke reactors I could find online:
Nuclear power in China - Wikipedia
As of March 2019 China had only 48 operational reactors, 11 under construction, and 36 planned in the entire country. Most are not on the Yangtze that I can see. It looks like there are 9 reactors near Shanghai but those are the only ones close.
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DryCreek
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And not all of them are operational. In fact, I think it is still less than half. Several of the folks from our plant have gone there to assist (direct) in startup testing. We've also lost a slew of folks to Abu Dhabi too.
There is a YouTube channel from the "Talkative Indian" which deals largely with 3 Gorges:
CHANNEL LINK = Talkative Indian
"China Hit by Typhoon" 8 am PST (8/4)=
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoa4L2O4TF0
(3 min.)
"China Flooding Videos" 1 am PST (8/4) =
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAlejAvp5L4
(5 min)
ALL VIDEOS W/O SPEECH; BUT ALL ENGLISH LANGUAGE EXPLANATIONS. 5 MIN. VIDEO (above) shows all outlets operating.
MANY OTHER VIDEOS STRETCHING BACK ABOUT 1 WEEK; some video about pandemics/jets/etc.
SUMMARY OF FLOOD VIDEOS: Adverse weather impacting vast regions of China; Shanghai hit with Monsoon flooding (but on coast so BELOW 3GD); MORE RAINS COMING/MORE AREAS FLOODED.
Reliability unknown. Indian videos from ex-military + photo analysis have previously been relevant source of pertinent information.
"It Ain't Over" and expectations of further huge rains continue through mid-August.
CHANNEL LINK = Talkative Indian
"China Hit by Typhoon" 8 am PST (8/4)=
(3 min.)
"China Flooding Videos" 1 am PST (8/4) =
(5 min)
ALL VIDEOS W/O SPEECH; BUT ALL ENGLISH LANGUAGE EXPLANATIONS. 5 MIN. VIDEO (above) shows all outlets operating.
MANY OTHER VIDEOS STRETCHING BACK ABOUT 1 WEEK; some video about pandemics/jets/etc.
SUMMARY OF FLOOD VIDEOS: Adverse weather impacting vast regions of China; Shanghai hit with Monsoon flooding (but on coast so BELOW 3GD); MORE RAINS COMING/MORE AREAS FLOODED.
Reliability unknown. Indian videos from ex-military + photo analysis have previously been relevant source of pertinent information.
"It Ain't Over" and expectations of further huge rains continue through mid-August.
Broken Arrow
Heathen Pagan Witch
Not working for me now, White background with Chinese writing on it. The other angle on that feed is so dark and blurry you cant tell what its looking at.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
China faces FAMINE no matter what happens at 3 gorge dam now.