DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Somebody has been asking about a view of the back of the dam. This is a screen cap somebody did from a recent video. Looks like the water is up to the bottom of the top spillway gates. I would not be surprised if we do see those top gates opened and flowing if the water keeps rising.3-gorges-back=-of-dam.jpg
 

Squid

Veteran Member
I don't think this dam will "last forever," it may skate through the current crises but it is being severely damaged and will require either a full repair job (probably involving diverting the river again), be taken down properly or be a disaster waiting to happen six weeks, six months or even six decades from now.
It can’t be repaired. The damage imho is both internal and structural and even worse likely foundational.

There is a certain structural integrity to just the mass of concrete. Cracks, leaks even non functioning equipment do not in and of themselves lead to catastrophic failure.

Each wave of flooding is like a prize fight. The dam gets rocked by a series of punches in the 5th round that are not a knockout or the end of the fight but it is the subsequent punishment after getting rocked that finally provides the knockout blow.

The biggest danger is if cavitation from the massive flood release has dug out the ground beneath the front of the dam. If enough ground is removed then the weight alone could lead to a partial collapse at some time.

We may even find that the damage survives well past this current rain season and months or a year or 2 later we wake up and a portion of the dam has collapsed and just fallen forward. Just like one of the many Chinese 20 story buildings where an entire wall just falls into the street, only impacting a lot more people.
 

ncmissouri

Veteran Member
Now both cameras are strange. The first shows a huge bright light. The other is shaking. Edited to add, the first camera is almost back to normal. It's night there and hard to make it out.
 
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Seeker22

Veteran Member
It can’t be repaired. The damage imho is both internal and structural and even worse likely foundational.

There is a certain structural integrity to just the mass of concrete. Cracks, leaks even non functioning equipment do not in and of themselves lead to catastrophic failure.

Each wave of flooding is like a prize fight. The dam gets rocked by a series of punches in the 5th round that are not a knockout or the end of the fight but it is the subsequent punishment after getting rocked that finally provides the knockout blow.

The biggest danger is if cavitation from the massive flood release has dug out the ground beneath the front of the dam. If enough ground is removed then the weight alone could lead to a partial collapse at some time.

We may even find that the damage survives well past this current rain season and months or a year or 2 later we wake up and a portion of the dam has collapsed and just fallen forward. Just like one of the many Chinese 20 story buildings where an entire wall just falls into the street, only impacting a lot more people.
That Love smilie was because what you said is what my gut is feeling- not because I desire this outcome. Damn computers. I prefer face to face but this will have to do.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Somebody has been asking about a view of the back of the dam. This is a screen cap somebody did from a recent video. Looks like the water is up to the bottom of the top spillway gates. I would not be surprised if we do see those top gates opened and flowing if the water keeps rising.View attachment 212030

That was me! Thank you so much!

Yes the water DOES seem to be up to the top spillway gates----I thought some had said it was going "down"---based (of course) on "official figures" (courtesy of the CCP)

I wouldn't believe the CCP or any other communist party if they told me the sky was blue, without checking....
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
In a (sort-of) reply to those who were mentioning the special-effects dam-burst on Guns of Navarrone, I found a REAL one you might be interested in:

Brazil in 2018---a mining dam

BBC story with pics:


Video of exact moment dam collapsed (RT 1:51)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK6EDKOys5E
Interesting stuff CM... I had never heard of a dam which is basically damming up "dry" fill (this did not turn out to be dry.) What is fascinating is the video of it actually 'flowing' out of the reservoir. What a mess and so sad a story...
 

Oreally

Veteran Member
That was me! Thank you so much!

Yes the water DOES seem to be up to the top spillway gates----I thought some had said it was going "down"---based (of course) on "official figures" (courtesy of the CCP)

I wouldn't believe the CCP or any other communist party if they told me the sky was blue, without checking....
"who you gonna believe me , or your lying eyes"
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Ok who is this guy?
Story is he is a government spook... posting on 8kun maybe? He has kind of come full circle though... he originally really came off a a tough guy, who was doing battle something like a James Bond... involved in clean up actions all over the world... possibly working for the white house, possibly CIA... kind of got a picture of a guy who could kill you 10 different ways with his pinkie. Was sharing all kinds of crazy stories, which no one could know unless they were at the Top Secret level clearance or higher... would always draw the line on the intel though at a point which kinda made it sound legit. One of his stories was he married a Mossad gal he was working with recently, and then she got killed. He implied the killer was going to pay big time. (and he may have!) However, Lately he has dropped back to a time traveler who is somewhat more kinder and gentler. I get a big kick out of his posts... I give him about a 50% of being legit, but he has made 'some' darn good predictions so far.
 
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DannyBoy

Veteran Member
At Wuhan, the sun is coming up... that little park thing (maybe?) in the foreground looks to me like it is under a bit more water, might be just the angle of the sun...
wuhan6.JPG
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Interesting stuff CM... I had never heard of a dam which is basically damming up "dry" fill (this did not turn out to be dry.) What is fascinating is the video of it actually 'flowing' out of the reservoir. What a mess and so sad a story...

No it was a river that was dammed up---there was water in it---but it was used to dump "tailings" from the mining operation.

I understand they even used those same "tailings" in BUILDING the dam---which as you saw began its collapse like a giant sinkhole imploding inward on itself...
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
No it was a river that was dammed up---there was water in it---but it was used to dump "tailings" from the mining operation.

I understand they even used those same "tailings" in BUILDING the dam---which as you saw began its collapse like a giant sinkhole imploding inward on itself...
Yeah, but in the write up, one of the gals said it had grass planted on it, and looked like a soccer field... and they thought it was dry... something about layer upon layer... and then the video looked like it had grass also?
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
found this on Google Earth... matches up with the map from the BBC... kinda crazy, looks like if there was flowing water, it was maybe just a creek... actually if you zoom in on Google Earth, it looks like maybe just runoff from the area, but that is all it would take to mush up the dam...
Brazilian Dam2.JPG

Brazilian Dam.JPG
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
It's officially time to pucker the bunghole... Market to Market (PBS) has now raised the alarm on the Three Gorges Dam and the imminent failure of said dam due to more flooding and floodwater caused quakes... some 480M people are downstream and will be affected as will many different types of crops including corn and soybeans.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Thank you for posting that, if the MSM (PBS even) is reporting this then it is likely either on-going or likely to happen soon.

By they way, I agree there is probably no way to save the White Elephant even if it survived this flooding (which is unlikely) but since I'm not an engineer I figure that if they didn't do something it would later wash away and kill millions, probably when least expected.

I didn't think there was any good way to repair it, but I didn't know for certain that was the case either.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
If that puppy blows out, someone is going to have video and someday it's going to come out. We'll probably hear it first from India.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Thank you for posting that, if the MSM (PBS even) is reporting this then it is likely either on-going or likely to happen soon.

By they way, I agree there is probably no way to save the White Elephant even if it survived this flooding (which is unlikely) but since I'm not an engineer I figure that if they didn't do something it would later wash away and kill millions, probably when least expected.

I didn't think there was any good way to repair it, but I didn't know for certain that was the case either.

I posted from the blaze a couple of days ago on my Facebook page and several people kept trying to tell me it was old news that the dam is safe. Not.
 

PJM

Contributing Member
Some of you may want to go to Twitter and just put: Three Gorges Dam in the search, I think things are really coming to a tipping point.

Sorry this one is dated the 24th (edited) but there are some recent flooding videos that are pretty terrifying.


TruthRaider ₿
@TruthRaiderHQ

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Jul 24

China is in full media blackout over the #threegorgesdam. Mainstream media is silent. It's bad. #wuhan
I looked through the Twitter feed from your post. Chilling, to say the least. And why is the MSM so quiet on it?
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
At Wuhan, the sun is coming up... that little park thing (maybe?) in the foreground looks to me like it is under a bit more water, might be just the angle of the sun...
View attachment 212042
Darn... either the Wuhan Bridge website was made private by whomever, or I have lost whatever credentials I had to get to this... I can not get to the Wuhan camera any longer. It was this...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAPcpE5pWqI


I got there through this originally, but it is not working now either...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhddcv7p2QM
The Wuhan link was below... if you scrolled down in the info for the youtube post...
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
The link I was following is the bottom link DannyBoy shared. It has been off since yesterday.
This is the one CM shared... it is still working, but others are not.


Interesting, if you grab the link directly from the video, it does not, work, but the url does...
ETA: sun is coming up and the dam is still standing... and BD anon still says it is coming down! I really hope not...3gd6.27-8.3.JPG
 
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Doc1

Veteran Member
I have not been following the dam situation obsessively, but have been getting my news about it here on the board. I will note a universal government phenomenon which is especially more severe in communist/totalitarian societies: When there are major problems (in anything), governments censor the news, reduce information and try to put a positive spin on the situation. This is true in the western nations as well, but is much more pronounced in places like China and North Korea.

I don't think anyone here - especially including myself - has the engineering chops to assess the state of the dam, but even the deaf, dumb and blind have to be aware of China's lockdown on information about Three Gorges.

This in itself doesn't tell me that the dam is going to collapse, but it does tell me that it has severe problems.

Best
Doc
 
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