CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

danielboon

danielboon

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bw said:
How many doctors are we going to lose? My nephew and his wife are young doctors. He's pretty blase about this. They're going on vacation in Hawaii in a couple weeks. No concerns about the virus.

When happens when we've exhausted the masks on hand? Hospitals are already critically short, per an earlier post. They work with no protection? How many full coverage suits do we have?
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that is going to change
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Tristan

Tristan

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Hfcomms said:
Easy....

Western sanitation the way I see it. And I would include Japan in that as well. Although the virus is transmissible through fomites (surface contamination), droplets and airborne its also shed thru the fecal oral route. With the exception of Japan and perhaps some others they have squat toilets and poor hygiene. Many of them don’t use toilet paper but wipe with their hands. In addition soap and water washing after defecating is rare.

I’m thinking that although it’s transmissible through other vectors the virus load is less and your less likely to catch the virus thru the other routes. China has relatively poor hygiene especially among the older people and it’s hard to change life long habits. Therefore the older people have higher incidence of illness and add that to a weaker immune system that comes with age.

We are not seeing the spread of disease in other countries like China has experienced and the biggest difference between China and the rest of us is hygiene habits. I surmise the virus load in fecal is more pronounced than other routes.
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This may be a factor. The question is, will it suppress the transmission enough to stop it, or merely slow it down.

But keep in mind, crapping on the sidewalk is a thing in some cities.
 
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rondaben

Veteran Member
Tristan said:
To the Medical folks here - is there any treatments to suppress the fungus which may be accompanying this beast?

TIA
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It is succeptable to the -conazole drug of antifungals, but those are prescription only and are potentially rough on the liver. Same with Amphotericin. Not a common medication but works well. Can have some toxicities. Both are IV.

I honestly think the fungus is an artifact. It is everywhere. Its not that uncommon to get even in the US in people who are immunocompromised.
 
P

Profit of Doom

Dismember
rondaben said:
The problem with any of them is the lack of control that is required. I agree that for short term it would prevent fatige but the way a vent actually works is impressive. You control both the volume/pressure, rate that the lungs fill or are allowed to deflate, how much pressure stays in to keep the small airsacs open, and of course the oxygen content. All of that of course occurs after the patient is intubated--and that can be rather difficult and requires some skill to do correctly as well as the right equipment.

I like the way you think and problem solve however!
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I was barking up this same tree for H5N1. A flow meter would help you set your pedal speed and/or pressure. You could have a crank and an air cylinder (piston in tube style) to give the intermittency of breaths. It could be done.
 
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rondaben

Veteran Member
northern watch said:
Economic fallout from China’s coronavirus mounts around the world

By David J. Lynch
Washington Post
February 13, 2020 at 11:54 p.m. EST

The economic casualties from China’s coronavirus epidemic are mounting as Asian and European auto plants run short of parts, free-spending Chinese tourists stay home and American companies brace for unpredictable turbulence.

That’s just the start of a financial hangover that is expected to linger for months even if the flulike illness is soon brought under control, economists and supply chain experts say. The Chinese epidemic’s aftereffects will probably cause the global economy to shrink this quarter for the first time since the depths of the 2009 financial crisis, according to Capital Economics in London.

Chinese factories had been scheduled to reopen February 10, after a Lunar New Year holiday that had been extended for several days because of the medical scare. But with many workers unable or unwilling to return to employers located in a sprawling quarantine region, the resumption of routine operations in many workplaces has been delayed.

The coronavirus and other outbreaks are hard to contain. Here's why.

Caterpillar this week said most of its Chinese suppliers have returned to work. But Foxconn, a major electronics producer for Apple, said it will be the end of the month before even half of its facilities are operating.

The country’s links to the outside world, meanwhile, remain frayed. United Airlines and American Airlines said this week that they would not resume normal service to mainland China until April 24, almost a month later than planned.

The ripple effects of China’s shutdown are spreading, with the auto industry especially hard-hit. Nissan temporarily closed one of its factories in Japan after running short of Chinese components, one week after Hyundai in South Korea did the same. Fiat Chrysler warned that it may shutter one of its European plants. Some U.S. manufacturers could face parts shortages in one to two weeks.

The coronavirus is forcing cruise ships to take drastic measures

Cruise ships and their passengers are being quarantined and denied entry into ports of call over fears of spreading the coronavirus further. (The Washington Post)

“I worry that it’s going to be a bigger deal than most economists are treating it as right now,” said Mohamed El-Erian, chief economic adviser at Allianz, the German financial services company. “It will take time to restart all these economic engines.”

About 5,100 cases of covid-19 were confirmed in China on Thursday and 121 more people died, Chinese health officials said Friday morning. Most of the new cases and deaths continued to be in Hubei province.

More than 63,000 confirmed cases and approximately 1,380 deaths have been reported in China since the outbreak began.

In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday reported the 15th coronavirus case, an individual who had been in quarantine in Texas since arriving on a State Department-chartered aircraft from Wuhan on February 7. And Japan reported its first coronavirus death. It also said 44 more people had tested positive for the illness aboard the quarantined cruise liner Diamond Princess, bringing to 218 the number of ship-borne infections.

The coronavirus struck China as many U.S. corporations were reconsidering their global footprints. President Trump’s tariffs on roughly 70 percent of all Chinese goods, imposed during a two-year trade war with Beijing, raised doubts about the future of trans-Pacific supply lines.

“We were already hitting the pause button on globalization,” El-Erian said. “This [virus] disrupts the movement of goods and it disrupts the movement of people, making companies reassess how international they want their supply chains to be.”

After initially dismissing the epidemic as principally a Chinese problem, U.S. policymakers in recent days acknowledged it will damage the global and U.S. growth outlooks. Federal Reserve Board Chair Jerome H. Powell said this week that there will “very likely be some effects on the United States” from the epidemic, which has closed thousands of Chinese factories that supply American companies.

Among the first tangible effects in the United States is a decline in the number of Chinese tourists. Visitors from China represent a lucrative market for U.S. airlines, hotels, luxury retailers and entertainment venues, with average spending of about $6,500 per person.

As of February 7, the number of passengers flying between North America and China was 75 percent below last year’s level and was shrinking by the day, according to Quandl, a financial data provider.

At Sino American Tours, a Manhattan travel agency that caters to Chinese Americans, bookings have plunged by 20 to 30 percent, said Charles Man, vice president for marketing.

“Of course, we’re impacted,” he said. “A lot of people canceled trips back to Beijing, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Taiwan and Singapore.”

Chinese officials, meanwhile, are growing increasingly concerned that their efforts to contain the virus are strangling the economy. President Xi Jinping this week instructed subordinates to avoid “overreactions” that interfered with China’s development goals. Huang Qifan, an influential economic policymaker, has said the ongoing supply chain disruptions are more costly than the two-year U.S.-China trade war, according to Trivium, an economic research firm in Beijing.

Indeed, the battle to contain the epidemic brought much of the world’s second-largest economy to a standstill. The Chinese provinces most affected by the coronavirus are home to 49,884 branches or subsidiaries of foreign corporations, including nearly 9,500 American operations, according to Dun & Bradstreet.

A Chinese quarantine applying to roughly 60 million people — more than the population of Spain — interrupted routine business operations for almost every member of the Fortune 1000 list of the world’s biggest corporations, Dun & Bradstreet said.

The Chinese government’s enforced halt to commerce was akin to an economic stroke, cutting off the flow of needed parts and materials to companies all over the world. And just as with a stroke, the effects will linger after production across China sputters to life.

“It’s going to happen in phases,” said Hitendra Chaturvedi, a former supply chain specialist for Microsoft. “It’s going to take six to eight weeks before everything comes back on line.”

Each major Chinese supplier to a global corporation relies upon a network of smaller companies to provide food, uniforms, sanitation and parts. Nike, for example, depends upon 110 Chinese factories, each with their own supplier webs.

“They’ll be having their own problems,” said Chaturvedi, who teaches at Arizona State University. “It’s not like you hit the button and everything starts to work automatically.”

Along with crimping production of current products, the coronavirus shutdown has interrupted research and development efforts and thus may also delay the introduction of next-generation models, he added. That could affect consumer electronics makers such as Apple, which relies on China for almost half of its 775 global supply facilities.

One of those firms, AT&S of Austria, cut its revenue forecast for the current fiscal year by nearly 7 percent after the virus disrupted production at its Shanghai and Chongqing facilities. The company produces printed circuit boards for Apple and Intel as well as European automakers.

In some parts of China, businesses must pass a local government inspection before resuming work. Since there are only so many inspectors, that creates a bottleneck. Some foreign executives are trying to speed things up by showing officials receipts proving they are major taxpayers, said James McGregor, chairman of APCO Worldwide’s greater China region.

Many office workers face long lines to have their temperatures checked before they can enter their buildings. Once inside, some have objected to running central heating systems, preferring space heaters to the alleged dangers of recirculated air, McGregor said.

ASE Technology, a Taiwanese semiconductor maker, is struggling with a shortfall of returning workers and uncertainties about which of its suppliers are fully operational.

“This virus is a negative lottery and everyone is doing whatever they cannot to win,” Ken Hsiang, the company’s head of investor relations, said on a February 7 conference call. “So, the fear that is gripping the world, the overabundance of caution at a personal, company and sovereign government levels are completely understandable. The impacts to our business are totally unpredictable.”

China’s $14 trillion economy now is a patchwork affair. In some areas, local officials are prodding employers to return to work. Elsewhere, officials remain preoccupied with the risk of contagion. The share of businesses that are operating normally ranges from about 26 percent in central Sichuan province to nearly 70 percent in Shanghai, according to Trivium.

Many employees remain reluctant to return to jobs in crowded factories, where an isolated cough might idle an assembly line. Those who want to return often face transport headaches as some public services have yet to return to full operations.

“Everything was supposed to be back to normal by now,” said Craig Allen, president of the U.S.-China Business Council. “It’s not going to happen for a while. I think that’s starting to sink in.”

The coronavirus is expected to dent global growth by depressing business and consumer confidence as well as temporarily severing supply chains, economists said. “Where the trade war ended, the coronavirus has picked up,” said Nathan Sheets, chief economist for PGIM Fixed Income. “It suggests a whole additional class of risks they need to worry about as they rely on Chinese suppliers. It’s another powerful shock toward global de-integration.”

Lasting effects on global trade also may emerge from the ocean freight market.

Shipping rates on some routes out of China are down by one-quarter, despite new international regulations that took effect January 1 requiring the use of cleaner but more costly fuel, said Patrik Berglund, chief executive of Xeneta, an online shipping platform based in Oslo.

Major retailers and manufacturers will soon be negotiating long-term shipping contracts amid an unpredictable market. They might benefit in the short run from lower prices. But if artificially depressed rates are locked in for an entire year, one or more shipping lines could tumble into bankruptcy and further unsettle global trade, he said.

“If there’s limited cargo coming out of all of Asia, depending upon how this develops, we might see shipping lines really struggling to pull through,” Berglund said.

Wall Street has taken the crisis in stride, with the Dow Jones industrial average still up about 3 percent so far this year. But the financial markets’ calm could be tested as additional data becomes available, said Gregory Daco, chief U.S. economist for Oxford Economics.

Negative readings on consumer or business confidence could send investors flooding into U.S. government bonds, pushing up the value of the dollar and leading to tighter financial conditions.

“We’ve been lucky to see no financial market ramifications,” he said. “That’s where a big part of the risk lies.”

David Lynch

David J. Lynch is a staff writer on the financial desk who joined The Washington Post in November 2017 after working for the Financial Times, Bloomberg News and USA Today. Follow



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That’s just the start of a financial hangover that is expected to linger for months even if the flulike illness is soon brought under control, economists and supply chain experts say.

You lost me right there.
 
teadrinker

teadrinker

Senior Member
Dozdoats said:
Can any of those that own scanners recommend a scanner for a novice? I have been looking at Uniden BCD 536HP Digital......any thoughts or recommendations would be most appreciated.


The scanner you need depends on the level of tech in use by the people you want to hear. Most public service traffic in the ZUSA is VHF or UHF and a basic scanner will do. The more complex the tech (trunked) the more expensive the scanner. Some (frequency hopping) you can't get, as far as I know.

I did a thread some months ago on the old board that will cover more than I can type right now … see

COMM - Scanner Basics - What To Buy Depends On Your Local Emergency Services' Radios

As with most everything even remotely technical, the answer to the simple question "What scanner should I buy?" is the usual - "It depends." I don't have time right now to begin typing the basics - the following may be 'too much, too soon' for absolute beginners. But it is a starting point...
xf.timebomb2000.com xf.timebomb2000.com
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Thank you
 
bw

bw

Fringe Ranger
rondaben said:
That’s just the start of a financial hangover that is expected to linger for months even if the flulike illness is soon brought under control, economists and supply chain experts say.

You lost me right there.
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A sop to the scoffers, so they'll read about the economic impact.
 
coalcracker

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Another sign worth noting: We are now hundreds of pages and thousands of posts into this thread, and no one has posted a skeptical hair on fire emoji with accusations that we are all purveyors of doom porn. This is TB2K. This is where woo dies, usually quickly; but in this case, on this thread, the level of intelligent concern is palpable, and no one is cynically mocking.

Let us continue to prepare, encourage, and fulfill the purpose for which this forum was originally created...while we still can. Sadly, our government may go Wuhan on us at some point too. No worries. Faith, hope, and love remain.

Thank you to all who have posted here. As one of my old friends liked to say, "Be repaired!" Carry on, friends.
 
Trivium Pursuit

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
rolenrock said:
Would you explain a bit more about why you need to build up to the lomatium. I bought some but am intimidated by the reaction that can occur. Thanks.
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It is a strong detox reaction.a whole body rash. Again, only 1% of people have it printed but they have an additional product called unity defense, which is a ramp up. They have found it works pretty well. And has some herbs that strengthened the limmer functions and a modest amount of law mission. Have been taking it now for 2 weeks with no ill effects. Soon will move on to the real thing.
 
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DoomBuggy

Veteran Member

CORONAVIRUS: Top CDC official warns “we are likely to see community spread in the U.S.” as agency prepares to implement “change in our response strategy” | The Common Sense Show

CORONAVIRUS: Top CDC official warns “we are likely to see community spread in the U.S.” as agency prepares to implement “change in our response strategy”
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Dave, did you see the story over at ANP (All News Pipeline)? It has a graph from John Hopkins University that CNBC ran which shows the confirmed coronavirus cases in the US are much higher than the 15 confirmed cases the MSM is reporting.
 
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DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
danielboon said:
EndGameWW3
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So basically if the first time don't get you there is a good chance the 2nd time will.
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How would they know this at this point? Do they have many cases that were confirmed to be COVID-19, then the patient recovered, then they were confirmed again and then had the case resolve, for better or for worse? Moreso, they would need to have had a sufficient number of these instances in order to make a reasonably accurate broad statement such as "COVID-19 is more severe the second time you catch it."
 
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Profit of Doom

Dismember
rafter said:
Interesting... wonder if this has anything to do with all of it???

www.avpress.com

Emergency alert tests due today for Plant 42

PALMDALE — Edwards Air Force Base officials are alerting the public to planned tests of an emergency alert system at Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale on Friday.
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Emergency alert tests due today for Plant 42
  • VALLEY PRESS STAFF REPORT
  • 21 hrs ago

PALMDALE — Edwards Air Force Base officials are alerting the public to planned tests of an emergency alert system at Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale on Friday.
The system, known as “Giant Voice,” is an outdoor warning siren system used to broadcast alerts, voice signals, music and tones during national, state, regional and local emergencies.
A similar system is in place at Edwards AFB, base officials said.
The testing will occur intermittently between 8 a.m. and 3 p.m. Friday, officials said.

It is not yet known what specific sounds will be part of the tests, whether it is sirens, voice commands or other means of alerting people at the facility.
No action will be required during the tests.
It is not yet known how far the Giant Voice sound will travel, so base officials wanted to alert the general public to the planned testing so that they are aware should they hear any of the tests of the emergency system.
Air Force Plant 42 is a government-owned facility under the supervision of Edwards Air Force Base and home to several defense companies, including Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin.
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The Big Giant Head speaks...
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
WalknTrot said:
Yes. This. The bleach solution "recipe" to use is waaaaaay the hell back on this thread and probably impossible to find, which is why the thread at this point is nearly impossible to be of any value. Do a search - CDC should have it.

At my former employment, before any container from the outside was allowed into the facility "clean" area, it was sprayed down with that very Na hypochlorite sol'n and allowed to AIR DRY. I know it worked. Yes, on porous materials like cardboard, too. I was the lab rat who was tasked with culturing the surfaces to find out.
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Thanks for bringing some science to the table!! Appreciated! Don't forget, we are able to bookmark any post we wish to hold on to by hitting the ribbon icon. This is found at the top right of each post, on the horizontal bar. Additionally marsh has started a thread to house the important links and information. Hope this helps.
 
Seeker22

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
bw said:
How many doctors are we going to lose? My nephew and his wife are young doctors. He's pretty blase about this. They're going on vacation in Hawaii in a couple weeks. No concerns about the virus.

When happens when we've exhausted the masks on hand? Hospitals are already critically short, per an earlier post. They work with no protection? How many full coverage suits do we have?
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I know a Vet like that. Quote: It's just another Corona Virus. Treat it like you do the Flu. Seasonal, Blah, blah.

This is after I explained without a single hair on fire that this thing was suspected to be out of a Biolab. Sigh.

This doc is recently married and will be absolutely blindsided when it impacts her boutique vet practice. She's a very good doc, but refuses to see the writing on the wall. Follow OSHA guidance to the letter, right off the cliff.

The virus is now less than 100 miles from her door. Not. Good. At. All. Praying for her and all docs and med personnel this will touch. This is one of those times I wish I could be wrong because I love her like family.
 
Intestinal Fortitude

Intestinal Fortitude

Have Faith
EMICT said:
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The general populace probably will not be able to differentiate. It will not be until enough patients begin showing up at definitive care facilities with symptoms and 'failing' tests for influenza that we will start seeing 'pockets' of nCov infection around the US.

Don't be surprised if there are special sites set up for treatment and evaluation here in the US before this is over. One of the first signs that this might occur is the deployment of the DMAT team to Miramar. For those who are more WOO oriented... Miramar is your 1st FEMA camp in this battle against the virus.
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and it will be overrun by illegal aliens (sanctuary state CA) demanding care and treatment for free
 
Texican

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I have read and watched a untold number of statements and videos about the China Virus and it is frightening as to what is coming and can not be stopped....

It is unknown how many cases of the China Virus are in developed and third world countries....
The poop has hit the fan....
Will you survive????

China has lied about the China Virus from the beginning....

The CDC has finally started stating real facts as that the Virus can not be stopped, but only slowed until a vaccine is developed....
Will a vaccine be developed that will be effective???? Unknown....

The WHO has finally started stating real facts such as as many as 5 billion could be infected which generates at least 300 million deaths if not more....

How will the world governments handle 5 billion sick individuals and the resulting deaths???? Very poorly....
Who will take care of all of the sick???? There are insufficient medical personnel and hospital beds to take care of the sick....
Who will collect and incinerate the dead???? Unknown....

How many waves of the Virus will hit???? Unknown....

America and the Virus....
With a potential of 18 million dead in America and an untold number of sick, how many will be able to collect and incinerate the dead???? Unknown....
Will you volunteer????
How many will want to chance becoming infected by handling the dead???? Unknown....
It is not known how many in China that are dealing with the dead have become infected....
The military will be ordered to do so until they become infected....
Look at all of the medical personnel in China that have become infected....
There will be desertions in the military for they will go home to be with family and hopefully not infected....
How long will it take for the sick to become able to work again???? Unknown....
How many that return to work will be reinfected again and perish???? Unknown....
Will your job still be there???? Unknown, but probably not....
How devastating will the virus be to the economy???? Unknown, but the economy will not be the same....

The China Virus is loose in the world and from all appearances and statements by the WHO and CDC, the virus can not be stopped, but only slowed down and hopefully sufficiently slowed down for a vaccine to be developed before the world is completely devastated....

The world will be changed by the China Virus and not for the better....

The majority of the world is not listening and will pay the price....

There will be a point where if you wish to survive you have to self isolate....
When to self isolate???? Depends, but on what criteria will you decide????
When the first case is found near you????
Will that be to late????
So you have to work to pay the bills, but if you become infected, you will not be able to pay your bills and may not survive....

I see a point where all loan payments will be suspended until America recovers, but how long will recovery take????

Those on TB2K are several steps ahead of the rest of America and miles ahead of the world....
Are you really prepared????
Have you really determined when you are going to isolate and how????
Can you really isolate if you live in a city????
Will you take vacation and sick time to isolate, but what will you do when the vacation and sick time is used up????

For those that live out in the sticks, what will you do when family and friends show up????
Do you have a place where they can be isolated????
How ill you treat them if they are infected and become sick????
The Virus will migrate into rural areas and the medical facilities and staff will be overwhelmed quickly....
What is the limitation on your preps for the number of individuals that you can sustain for several months????

There is a list of unanswered questions that spans pages if not book length....

The impact of the Virus is beyond frightening....

Pray for your family and friends for America and the world....

Texican....
 
Intestinal Fortitude

Intestinal Fortitude

Have Faith
Hfcomms said:
Easy....

Western sanitation the way I see it. And I would include Japan in that as well. Although the virus is transmissible through fomites (surface contamination), droplets and airborne its also shed thru the fecal oral route. With the exception of Japan and perhaps some others they have squat toilets and poor hygiene. Many of them don’t use toilet paper but wipe with their hands. In addition soap and water washing after defecating is rare.

I’m thinking that although it’s transmissible through other vectors the virus load is less and your less likely to catch the virus thru the other routes. China has relatively poor hygiene especially among the older people and it’s hard to change life long habits. Therefore the older people have higher incidence of illness and add that to a weaker immune system that comes with age.

We are not seeing the spread of disease in other countries like China has experienced and the biggest difference between China and the rest of us is hygiene habits. I surmise the virus load in fecal is more pronounced than other routes.
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and a culture of not using toilet paper.
 
SouthernBreeze

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
DoomBuggy said:

CORONAVIRUS: Top CDC official warns “we are likely to see community spread in the U.S.” as agency prepares to implement “change in our response strategy” | The Common Sense Show

CORONAVIRUS: Top CDC official warns “we are likely to see community spread in the U.S.” as agency prepares to implement “change in our response strategy”
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Dave, did you see the story over at ANP (All News Pipeline)? It has a graph from John Hopkins University that CNBC ran which shows the confirmed coronavirus cases in the US are much higher than the 15 confirmed cases the MSM is reporting.
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Wait! What? I haven't heard this. Details, please?
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
smith357 said:
From the original link:
  • 03:25: “China’s National Health Commission reports 267 new cases and 5 new deaths on the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Hubei Province deducted 108 prior deaths from the death toll due to double counting. “

So basically, now the dead are rising in Wuhan..............
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Lol. The story is that due to the numerous problems getting folks tested, the diagnostic criteria for c. Virus would be relaxed. The new, enlarged number of cases now includes "confirmation" that is given based on criteria other than test results....scans for example....one province actually submitted the numbers from this broader method of tallying, with those handful of duplicates walked back....so what looks like the most blatent misinfo to date is actually probably one of the most genuine efforts at being real. Think this is the province where some higher ups were "relieved of duty", proving, i suppose, once again that the last thing this world rewards is decency.
 
Tom McDowell

Tom McDowell

BAMN
Trivium Pursuit said:
It is a strong detox reaction.a whole body rash. Again, only 1% of people have it printed but they have an additional product called unity defense, which is a ramp up. They have found it works pretty well. And has some herbs that strengthened the limmer functions and a modest amount of law mission. Have been taking it now for 2 weeks with no ill effects. Soon will move on to the real thing.
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From way back 2009 - posted a paper on
lomatium. http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/lomatium-root-and-the-1918-spanish-flu.330629/

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A LOMATIUM-CAUSED RASH

Some clinicians have reported cases of full-body rashes in patients using dissectum tincture. Although the rash, which mimics measles, appears to be self-limiting, it was severe enough in several cases to negate the positive value of the herb. “It seemed that when people who were really sick took the tincture for three or four days they would feel tremendously better. They said they never felt better in their lives; they got a large bout of energy. But then some of them would get the rash afterward.”

Dr. Alstat believes the rash is a healing reaction, “some type of a cleansing,” rather than a side effect of the dissectum. However, the reaction is sufficiently unpleas*ant that Eclectic Institute has produced other forms of the remedy. Lomatium contains a significant amount of resin, Dr. Alstat explained, which seems to be what causes the rash. He isolated the active constituents, separated them from the resin and developed “a yellow, sulphur-looking powder,” which remained effective and did not cause a rash. This product is called Lomatium Isolate and is the form of choice.

ANTIBIOTIC STUDIES WITH LOMATIUM DISSECTUM

Several trials throughout the years have attested to the efficacy of Lomatium dissectum as a remedy. In 1957, Lomatium dissectum (var. multifida) was found to have moderate bactericidal effects.t24’ A 1 949 in vitro test revealed that an oil extract of dissectum (var. multifida) partially or completely inhibited growth of 10 organisms, a result which was equal to that of penicillin given at a comparable concentration. (16) Susceptible organisms included Corynebacterium diptherium. Diplococcus pneumo*nia, Streptococcus pyogenes, Escherichia coli, Pseudo*monas aeruginosa, Proteus vulgaris and Mycobacterium tuberculosis.

A study of the effectiveness of extracts of the root of Lomatium dissectum (var. dissectum) in 1948 showed varying degrees of inhibition of the growth of all 62 strains and species of bacteria and fungi tested.’5~ The oil extracts exhibited bacteriostatic and bactericidal activity against three strains of Shigella, two of Pseudomonas, two of Proteus, four E. coli, three of Staphaureus, four strains of streptococcus, including viridans and pyogenes, Diplococ*cus pneumonia, Corynebacterium diptheria, Hemphilus influenza, Neisseria gonorrhea, three strain of Mycobacte*rium, including tuberculosis, five strains of Clostridium, four human dermatophytes and Candida albicans.

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Also no longer associated with that business - lost out on that venture. So please don't ask.

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