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ya'll need to start your own separate OA thread and take the discussion off this one
. . . you are becoming more irritating than OA
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
M - O - O - N, that spells "Crow".
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
I have speculated that this virus may be being used by the government to tighten their grip on power.
After the protests in Hong Kong, there were some within mainland China, coincidentally enough, they were centered in Wuhan. Now, I have read 100% of the organizers of the protest and many of those who participated have all been "quarantined".
Stalin and Mao killed tens of millions of their own people to retain power... Why do we think Xi may not be capable of the same?
momengineer
Senior Member
Honestly, I doubt there are any true chemicals in it...probably just water vapor and something to make it fog or smell. It’s likely theater to seem like the gov is doing “something”
We dont. He is a bloody communist.
The only good communist is a dead communist.
Applicable over 50 years ago...
Applicable today.
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
I'll shoot them first in their pinky toe if that does not get they're attention the next one is between the eyes.
Extended family will be what most of us will have to deal with and I've got some good ones crack heads , heroin addicts and crazy liberals.
My nephew that used to live beside me before he blew his brains out over a girl ripped up my TRUMP sign I had in the front yard. I watched him do it but never said a word. the next morning he woke up too find someone had slit all four tires on his new Prius. He called the law and when they showed up to do a report I just had to walk over to see what all the fuss was about he was cussing and showed me the slit tires . I said must have been the same asshole that ripped up my TRUMP sign..
Me I don't have a problem taking care of what needs to be done to protect what's mine.
northern watch
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 8m8 minutes ago
Coronavirus can be spread by people who don't show symptoms, CDC warns
Coronavirus can be spread by people who don't show symptoms, CDC warns
Zahra
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What really slays me about this whole fiasco is the fact that the US is so utterly dependent on Chinese manufactured goods. Regardless of however many isolation units, hospital beds, or vents we might have, how will we manage much of anything if we can't get an adequate supply of PPE? How will we manage if their pharmaceutical manufacturing base stays out of commission and we begin to experience severe shortages of medicines? It really ticks me off that even our troops rely on Chinese manufactured gear! We only have one remaining surgical mask manufacturer still in business in the US - and they don't make N-95's. Even 3M outsourced everything!
northern watch
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EndGameWW3 @EndGameWW3 12m12 minutes ago
China's Hubei province asks firms not to resume work until Feb 21
China's Hubei province asks firms not to resume work until Feb 21
Shooter
Veteran Member
I didnt have any trouble yanking a trigger back in 71-72, Unkle Sugar even paid me to do it. wont be much difference now, HMMM wonder where I can get a few hundred sandbags? already got a huge stock of barbed wire
I'll shoot them first in their pinky toe if that does not get they're attention the next one is between the eyes.
Extended family will be what most of us will have to deal with and I've got some good ones crack heads , heroin addicts and crazy liberals.
My nephew that used to live beside me before he blew his brains out over a girl ripped up my TRUMP sign I had in the front yard. I watched him do it but never said a word. the next morning he woke up too find someone had slit all four tires on his new Prius. He called the law and when they showed up to do a report I just had to walk over to see what all the fuss was about he was cussing and showed me the slit tires . I said must have been the same asshole that ripped up my TRUMP sign..
Me I don't have a problem taking care of what needs to be done to protect what's mine.
closet squirrel
Veteran Member
A couple things:
Went to patient first today. No one was wearing masks. The check in kiosk did have as the first questions have you been to China or been around anyone who has?
CVS was out of one of the medicines I was prescribed (some sort of antihistamine) the pharmacy said the manufacturer was back ordered on it.
the normalcy bias is so real. Talking to my sister about all this and the possibility of quarantine. She could not get her head around it. “People can’t afford to not work” “what will they do about all the school that is missed?” She understands getting extra food and supplies is a good idea but just can not grasp the concept of a mandatory quarantine.
Went to patient first today. No one was wearing masks. The check in kiosk did have as the first questions have you been to China or been around anyone who has?
CVS was out of one of the medicines I was prescribed (some sort of antihistamine) the pharmacy said the manufacturer was back ordered on it.
the normalcy bias is so real. Talking to my sister about all this and the possibility of quarantine. She could not get her head around it. “People can’t afford to not work” “what will they do about all the school that is missed?” She understands getting extra food and supplies is a good idea but just can not grasp the concept of a mandatory quarantine.
Jubilee on Earth
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This! This, this, this. If the contagion continues to spread or linger more than just a month, which is highly likely, we are going to learn a very hard lesson. My momma said the hardest lessons always hurt the most. Gear up, folks.
No they've got ICBMs, both silo and mobile based, and SLBMs that are more than "good enough" to do the delivery job.
tortminder
Contributing Member
Looks like a scene out of "Ghostbusters".
bw
Fringe Ranger
Me too.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Sounds like the Howard Carter story.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
They set up a quarantine base at Lackland?!?!
Geez... That is the only base in the U.S. for Air Force Basic Training... Every single airman in the Air Force goes through that base for training. Seems a poor choice to house highly infectious people...
CDC called me half hour ago, wanting to confirm my business
phone number was still good, then said; thank you, good bye.
I called the number back, got a recording that said it was for a
survey being done for the CDC by the University of Chicago.
Weird, as I was just about to announce to all we'll have masks
available to sell, that we'd just started selling to some doctors.
I'll be posting notice of it on the front page here at TB2K a little
later, was actually writing it up when I got that call.
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
phone number was still good, then said; thank you, good bye.
I called the number back, got a recording that said it was for a
survey being done for the CDC by the University of Chicago.
Weird, as I was just about to announce to all we'll have masks
available to sell, that we'd just started selling to some doctors.
I'll be posting notice of it on the front page here at TB2K a little
later, was actually writing it up when I got that call.
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
If you can read through this post and still believe that the numbers are 60,000 infected and 1500 dead,China Has Ground To A Halt: "On The Ground" Indicators Confirm Worst-Case Scenario
by Tyler Durden
Zero Hedge
Thursday, 02/13/2020 - 15:05
Back on Monday, when analysts and investors were desperately seeking clues whether China has managed to reboot its economy from the 2-week long hiatus following the Lunar New Year/Coronavirus pandemic amid the information blackout unleashed by the communist party in the already opaque country, we pointed out some alternative ways to keep tabs of what is really taking place "on the ground" in China, where Xi Jinping has been urging local businesses and workers to reopen and resume output, while ignoring the risk the viral pandemic poses to them (with potentially catastrophic consequences).
Specifically, Morgan Stanley suggested that real time measurements of Chinese pollution levels would provide a "quick and dirty" (no pun intended) way of observing if any of China's major metropolises had returned back to normal. What it found was that among some of the top Chinese cities including Guangzhou, Shanghai and Chengdu, a clear pattern was evident – air pollution was only 20-50% of the historical average. As Morgan Stanley concluded, "This could imply that human activities such as traffic and industrial production within/close to those cities are running 50-80% below their potential capacity."
As a reminder, all this is (or technically, isn't) taking place as President Xi Jinping on Wednesday sought to send a message that progress had been made in bringing the coronavirus outbreak under control and, for most parts of the country, the focus should be on getting back to business.
According to state television, Xi chaired a meeting of the Politburo Standing Committee, China’s supreme political body, on the latest developments on the crisis and future policy responses, concluding that there had been “positive changes” with “positive results”.
Xi also reiterated that all levels of local government and Communist Party committees must strive to achieve China’s social and development goals this year, indicating that he did not want the public health crisis to hinder progress.
Most importantly, Xi urged local authorities to refrain from taking excessive measures to curb contagion, and yet clip after clip from China...
... shows that the measures being taken are far beyond merely "excessive" when it comes to limiting the potential spread of the virus, which probably makes sense considering the unexpected surge in infected cases in Wuhan, which have sent the total for China just shy of 60,000.
Add to this the ongoing uncertainty that Beijing is far behind the curve in containing the virus, and one can see why most businesses are reluctant to "get back to normal."
In the latest confirmation of just that, several other indicators have emerged showing that despite Xi's stark demands for 1.4 billion Chinese to ignore the global pandemic which may very well have been started by one of China's own experimental labs...
... virtually all of China - and all those critical supply chains that keep companies across the globe humming and stocked with critical inventory - remain on lockdown.
As confirmation, while we wait for an update from Morgan Stanley on the latest Chinese pollution data (at least until Beijing's definition of "pollution" is also revised) here is JPMorgan showing that while traditionally daily coal consumption - the primary commodity used to keep China electrified - rebounds in the days following the Lunar New Year collapse when China hibernates for one week, this year there hasn't been even a modest uptick higher, indicating that so far there hasn't been even a modest uptick in output.
Yet electricity is just one core indicator of real-time economic activity. Perhaps an even more critical one is human transit across the 1.4 billion person strong nation. Conveniently there is a way to track rudimentary traffic patterns across some of China's key metro areas, and they show that - in a confirmation of the worst-case scenario - activity, as measured by travel, across most of China appears to have ground to a halt.
The charts below show TomTom's traffic congestion data across key Chinese cities such as Beijing, Shanghai and Wuhan as compared to the average measurement for 2019. What they show is that virtually nobody appears to be driving in China!
Here is Beijing's congestion level over the past 48 hours (a 7 day average is also available) compared to 2019. The data indicates that travel is about 70% below its 2019 peak.
Similarly, Shanghai is about 60% below its peak:
Wuhan, of course, is even worse, with barely any congestion - or traffic - registering.
Amazingly, the industrial hub of Guanghzhou also appears to have ground to a crawl:
And as mainland China grinds to a literal halt, traffic in Hong Kong is also starting to slide...
... and surprisingly, even such major hubs of commerce as Singapore are starting to see a traffic impact.
By comparison, here is what Los Angeles traffic looks like over the past 48 hours vs 2019 average.
While not perfect, and certainly not a comprehensive view of what is really taking place "on the ground", the above data is a useful real-time indicator of how the people in China perceive the threat of the coronavirus pandemic, and one thing is abundantly clear: as the pandemic spreads further without containment, and as the charts above flatline, so will China's economy, which means that while Goldman's draconian view of what happens to Q1 GDP is spot on, the expectation for a V-shaped recovery in Q2 and onward will vaporize faster than a vial of ultra-biohazardaous viruses in a Wuhan virology lab.
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zerowww.zerohedge.com
. . . then I just do not know what to say.
I consider this probably one of the best legitimate pieces of information in a couple of days.
Lackland AFB is big and has a few different areas though. There is main-side Lackland, which is where all they train all the recruits. There is the Medina Annex which is a few miles to the west. Where they do their "rifle range" and where the NSA base used to be located. And then there is the old Kelly AFB which got absorbed in to Lackland. It's right beside Lackland. I have no idea where they are located, but my bet is on the Annex. Out away from all the trainees.
It is a very big piece of real estate with many dorms, necessary support services, and available security.
It would depend on how it was set up and how much concertina wire they had available.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
I am a wole bunch of pages back playing catchup. In case they haven't been posted yet, the links to regular daily videos from Dr John, MedCram, War Room Pandemic (Bannon) and Martenson are all posted in bookmarks on the Infectious Disease thread: http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index...-2019-novel-corona-virus.568020/#post-7586344
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
When will the new number of cases get posted .
This is a hard truth that most don't want to hear. There is a reason that outsourcing was done to China and it is a game that has been played for centuries if not millenia. The primary function of government is simple. It is to PRETEND to fail.
The world is controlled by a small percent of the ultra wealthy and powerful. They profit off of misery, grow stronger thru war, prey on the weak. Government is the mechanism that they use to protect themselves from a day of reckoning. If the fault is seen to be that of the government, no one will even realize the profiteering on evil and misery that occurs. We simply vote for the left or right hand next time and wait for the government to pretend to fail yet again.
That is the swamp. It is the powerful who call the shots and the craven who bring them to fruition. No one is ever held to account. The theater has to continue on. Why was industry, technology, and military prowess given to the Chinese? Because we needed a tangible enemy to justify the ever repeating cycle. It is the same reason that the month of Churchill's Iron Curtain the British gave the Rolls-Royce NENE engine to Russia that we would fight in Korea in the MIG-15. Technology transfer is seen here--Canada and Harvard to Wuhan. Industrial reloacation to China. In the end who will be responsible?
God will be. After all, this was an act of God. No one could have forseen it.
Sorry for the drift, just philosophical over this.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you for your sound and informative advice!
Well, after visiting the Alldaychemist website this morning, and then WalMart this afternoon, I'd say it's already too late for many things. ADC has made huge changes in allowable amounts per order... last week, I bought 15 bottles liquid Amoxicillin and the same number of liquid Augmentin. Today., they're sold out of one, and the other is limited to 3 bottles... and the price is 80% higher than last week.
Walmart... I have NEVER seen that store in such disarray... not even during the holidays. I just had a few holes to fill in the preps... and that was a good thing! The OTC meds aisle was badly picked over... several things were only available in the (pricey) brand name. Hubby immediately noticed that many products (almost the entire shelf of eye care stuff, and pretty much all the OTC pain and fever reducers) had only one or two items... instead of a couple dozen. No one was hurriedly restocking, either.
When we got to the checkout, the cashier motioned to my few "healthcare" items and casually remarked, "good idea... better get them before we run out". The place was a zoo (hubby also remarked he's never seen them or Aldis so busy- and for a mid afternoon Thursday, he was right), so I didn't want to get into a discussion, so I just said, "I'd sure hate to be a manager here... they probably have no idea when or if they're going to be able to restock". She rolled her eyes and said, "you have no idea... I think they're all going to stroke out!"
Oh... there were NO elderberry products in the store! The entire section was as empty as the bread aisle before a blizzard.
In 30 days, if China isn't shipping, most of the store is going to look like that. If something happens to alert the herd... it won't last 24 hours.
Get any needed preps NOW!
Summerthyme
They are only in motion to reach for the remote to turn the channel...
northern watch
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曾錚 Jennifer Zeng @jenniferatntd 1h1 hour ago
北韓處死從中國回來、在隔離期間跑到公共浴池洗澡的貿易官員，怕他把#武漢肺炎 傳播開來。 North Korea 'executes trade official for visiting a public bath while he was in quarantine over #coronavirus fears after returning from #China'
北韓處死從中國回來、在隔離期間跑到公共浴池洗澡的貿易官員，怕他把
northern watch
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BNO NewsroomVerified account @BNODesk 16s16 seconds ago
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
The number of people in serious and critical condition in Hubei province has risen sharply: from 7,084 yesterday to 9,638 today
BNO Newsroom Retweeted BNO Newsroom
The number of people in serious and critical condition in Hubei province has risen sharply: from 7,084 yesterday to 9,638 today
20Gauge
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and tomorrow also..... just being clear about it.
20Gauge
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Sorry to say that may just kill them and their neighbors also.
northern watch
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Eunice YoonVerified account @onlyyoontv 38s38 seconds ago
#HubeiProvince reports 4,823 new cases, 116 new dead. Global total now at 65,236 and 1,487 dead, based in #China media stats. #coronavirus
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
What the heck.....!!!! Is the CDC staffed by people from the UK???
They are about a week late on this one.
northern watch
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曾錚 Jennifer Zeng @jenniferatntd 2m2 minutes ago
Another rumor:#Beijing may postpone its annual Lianghui(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lianghui ) in March because of the #COVID19 #CoronavirusOutbreak 另一传言：因 #武汉肺炎 疫情，北京将推迟召开两会。
Another rumor:
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
So they make the shut down official.
Good no more get back to work / work from home cr*p.
The guy who announced this probably has been shot as the party line is that people are back to work already....while in quarantine.
Safetydude
Senior Member
My 3M 8670 N95 and Moldex N95 masks are made in Mexico. Many nutraceuticals are made in China including Vit. C there's only one European source of Vit C that I'm aware of. Nutraceuticals are the raw materials that go into many supplements. There has been a strategic move to outsource our manufacturing to make us very susceptible and and vulnerable to supply chain issues plus ensure we never have the ability to fight a major war like WWII, that infrastructure is gone! Just my musings, YMMV.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Lianghui (simplified Chinese: 两会; traditional Chinese: 兩會; pinyin: Liǎnghuì; Wade–Giles: Liang3 Hui4; literally: 'two meetings') is a common Mandarin Chinese abbreviation for a pair of organizations which have close relations.
In the Chinese government, the term refers to the annual plenary sessions of the national or local People's Congress and the national or local committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. It is used also by the officially sanctioned Protestant and Catholic churches in China, and has been used by some to avoid Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China.
en.wikipedia.org
In the Chinese government, the term refers to the annual plenary sessions of the national or local People's Congress and the national or local committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. It is used also by the officially sanctioned Protestant and Catholic churches in China, and has been used by some to avoid Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China.