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The number of new cases in China is restricted by test kit availability

Wuhan, China, faces such a shortage of coronavirus test-kits that people say getting one is like 'winning the lottery'
Sahar Esfandiari Jan 24, 2020, 8:43 AM

China banned trains and planes from leaving Wuhan at the centre of a virus outbreak on January 23, seeking to seal off its 11 million people to contain the contagious disease that has claimed 17 lives, infected hundreds and spread to other countries.
The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person and has killed 26 people and infected more than 870 as of Friday morning.
Access to test kits has been reserved for those with the most severe symptoms, and reports suggest hospitals in affected areas outside Wuhan also have limited access to them.
The reports come as doctors say they face a "flooding" of patients and not enough protective gear, and the city of Wuhan scrambles to build a brand new hospital in just six days to treat the virus.
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Health authorities in Wuhan, China, are reportedly facing such a shortage in test kits for the deadly coronavirus that originated in the city that people say getting one is like "winning the lottery."

Mimi Lau, a reporter at the South China Morning Post, said the shortage in coronavirus test kits are delaying diagnoses, and patients in hospitals in Wuhan have likened getting access to a kit to winning lottery tickets.

Quick test kit shortage for #WuhanCoronavirus is reportedly delaying diagnosis. Patients at major Wuhan hospitals presenting fever symptoms likened test kit access to winning lottery tickets. Kit manufactures working around the clock continue struggling to meet massive demand


Lu Chen, a PhD student affiliated with the UK's Wellcome Trust health research foundation, on Thursday cited an on-the-ground report from Chinese microblogging site Weibo detailing a shortage of supply test kits.

According to the Weibo post, only those with severe symptoms can be tested due to shortage of kits in Wuhan, as well as in the surrounding area in Hubei province.

The report also said that, in an unnamed major city in Hubei, only a small batch of test kits was delivered, and they were only enough to treat "less than one-tenth" of the number of people waiting to be checked at the hospital.

Business Insider has not been able to independently verify the Weibo report, but multiple photos and videos from Wuhan this week have shown dozens of people packed into tiny hospital hallways waiting for treatment.

Wuhan China virus coronavirus disease travel screening
A man leaves a medical center in Wuhan, China, where at least one patient died after contracting a new and little-understood respiratory virus. Noel Celis/AFP via Getty Images
In a Thursday statement, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said a total of ten biosafety labs, "with the corresponding protection levels," will be able to test nearly 2,000 samples every day when at full capacity.

It is not clear when the labs will be up and running, but the report said the request for further assistance from "the relevant higher authorities" was made January 22.

It added that the city plans to transport 30,000 kits to the labs but has only issued 6,000 of them so far.

The statement did not directly address a shortage in physical tests, but illustrates an apparent incapacity to keep up with the rapidly-spreading virus that has now killed 26 people in China and infected more than 870.

The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person.

Authorities in China announced a lockdown on several cities amid fears it could spread during the Lunar New Year, when people travel more than usual domestically and abroad. A total of 33 million people live in the quarantined cities.

Passengers who just arrived on a train from Wuhan, China are screened for coronavirus in Beijing.
The virus has also placed pressure on hospitals and healthcare professionals, who say they face a "flooding" of patients and lack protective gear.

A doctor at a Wuhan hospital told the BBC that thousands of patients are waiting for hours to be seen, and that there has been an "alarming rate of spread" of the deadly virus over the last two weeks.

"I am scared because this is a new virus and the figures are alarming," said the unnamed doctor, according to the BBC.

The city of Wuhan is scrambling to build a brand-new hospital in just six days to treat coronavirus patients amid the influx.

The World Health Organization has assessed the risk of the disease to be very high in China, but has not yet designated it as a public health emergency.

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No test kits, no corona infections to report. That is one way to keep the official numbers down. If only the most seriously visibly ill are being tested due to lack of kits and laboratory turn around timed that is a way to vastly underreport official numbers with a straight face.
 

Tristan

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Not that most of us need to be told there is more to this virus than the run of the mill flu bug but you don’t run to immediate cremation for a seasonal influenza victim.


Playing devil's advocate here, but you may need cremation when all other funerary services are swamped, with no end in sight...

But I agree, this isn't your run of the mill corona or influenza virus, and they've been acting like they know more than they're letting on for weeks now.
 

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Seventh U.S. Coronavirus Case Confirmed in Bay Area
The seventh U.S. case of coronavirus has been confirmed in Santa Clara County, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced on Friday.

The federal public health agency said the patient is a male who resides in the Bay Area. To date, three cases have been confirmed in California, two in Illinois, one in Arizona, and another in Washington state. Earlier Friday, White House announced that the U.S. will ban all foreign nationals who have traveled to China in the last 14 days. The ban will begin at 5:00 P.M. EST on Sunday.

“These prudent, targeted, and temporary actions will decrease the pressure on public health officials screening incoming travelers, expedite the processing of U.S. citizens and permanent residents returning from China,” Health and Human Service Secretary Alexander Azar said at a press briefing.

The Trump official then reaffirmed that the virus poses a low risk to Americans.

“The risk of infection for Americans remains low and with these and our previous actions we are working to keep the risks low,” he said.

On Thursday evening, the State Department issued a “Do Not Travel” advisory for China due to the ongoing outbreak.

“Do not travel to China due to novel coronavirus first identified in Wuhan, China,” the advisory states. “Those currently in China should consider departing using commercial means. The Department of State has requested that all non-essential U.S. government personnel defer travel to China in light of the novel coronavirus.”

The measures taken by the government come after Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) asked the Trump administration to implement a “target travel ban” against China, citing its previous lack of transparency in combating outbreaks.

“Given the latest developments and the many unknowns about this virus, we ought to follow Benjamin Franklin’s maxim: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. America is blessed with world-leading researchers and laboratories on the cutting edge of medical science and epidemiology. Working in tandem with them, I’m confident our federal research agencies can develop a vaccine in record time,” the senator wrote in a letter to Azar, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting Homeland Security Director Chad Wolfe.

As of Friday, the virus has killed 258 people in China and spread to 20 countries.

Editor’s Note: The featured photo was taken at Los Angeles International Airport on January 29. The picture choice is illustrative and not a literal depiction of any individual involved in this medical case.
 

bev

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If this is true--

If this thing can so rapidly mutate that "having" it once does NOT confer immunity against having it AGAIN..and AGAIN...and AGAIN...

EACH time scarring the lungs more and more (speaking here as one who's HAD pneumonia FOUR TIMES--each worse than the last)---

Then.....unless they can somehow "neutralize" or kill the virus altogether---


what hope is there to defeat this thing?

Don’t forget Rondaben (?) said the lung issues can stay with you forever.
 

Hfcomms

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It was easy at first to dismiss all of the twitter and social media pictures and video clips supposedly coming out of China of people dropping on the street and bags full of bodies but the flood coming out now you have to believe it’s partially true. How many funeral homes are in Wuhan? Taking the lower number of 7 bodies in a vehicle and 10 vehicles per day then this one funeral home in the epicenter is handling 70 corpses a day. The math is alarming.
 

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Mayor Of City With 6 Million People Next To Wuhan Warns Of "Significant Increase" In Coronavirus Cases This Weekend

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 22:00

One month into the worst viral pandemic in decades, China appears woefully unprepared to respond appropriately and decisively to a disease that has infected over 12,000 around the globe. This became obvious after several Chinese officials recently had media interview mishaps, in which their lack of knowledge about measures to contain the coronavirus were on full display, The Epoch Times reported.

On Jan. 29, the Beijing government sent a working team to Huanggang, a city with over 6.3 million people located just 30 miles east of the coronavirus epidemic in Wuhan in the Hubei province.

The team held a meeting with Tang Zhihong, chief of the city’s health commission, and Chen Mingxing, director of the city’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). State broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV) accompanied the working team and recorded the meeting. When prompted with questions by the experts from Beijing, Tang couldn’t answer.

In the CCTV video, the Beijing experts asked the current capacity of hospitals in the city. Tang kept silent. When pressed again, Tang answered: “We have an official who is in charge of this issue.”

The experts asked what was the current number of confirmed cases in Huanggang. Tang first said it was “more than 200,” but Chen chimed in and said: "118."

It quickly went downhill from there: the team also asked, “How many patients are being treated in the hospitals?” Both Tang and Chen didn’t answer. This angered Chinese netizens, who commented on the news segment on social media.

The next day, the Huanggang government announced that Tang has been dismissed from her position.

Then, in response to the rising wave of public outrage, on January 30 the Huanggang government announced new lockdown measures.

According to the new rule, all roads in the Huanggang municipal area would be closed at midnight Jan. 31, with physical barriers and checkpoints. No vehicles can use the roads except “those for outbreak prevention and control, medical rescue, basic needs, and emergency rescue,” while taxis will only be allowed for expectant mothers, patients of severe illness, with only a certain number of taxis are allocated to each neighborhood.

Unfortunately, these long-overdue measures are coming too late, especially in light of recent news that up to 5 million potential carriers had already left Wuhan before the city was put under quarantine.

This was confirmed by Hubei governor Wang, who said at a Jan. 29 press conference that the number of confirmed cases are quickly increasing in Huanggang and three other nearby cities—Xiaogang, Jingmen, and Xianning. He added that he was worried "Huanggang could become another Wuhan."

Echoing this dire warning, on Friday the mayor of Huanggang said that there will be a significant increase in confirmed novelcoronavirus infection cases on Saturday and Sunday in the city, as some 600-700k people returned from Wuhan to Huanggang before the Wuhan lockdown.

And at a Jan. 30 press conference, Zhang Wenhong, leader of the outbreak response team in Shanghai, said: "Based on the current situation, this coronavirus will spread more broadly. I’m responsible for my words here and I can tell you the estimation of overseas experts are correct," he said, without naming which experts he was referring to.

Chinese authorities only began updating the outbreak death toll since Jan. 22. But experts from the UK and Hong Kong have estimated that the true figure of infections could reach 250,000 people in Wuhan alone by Feb. 4.

All of this could have been prevented if it wasn't for China's notorious desire to preserve secrecy - as it did during the 2003 SARS epidemic - and avoid disclosing the facts of any adverse situation to avoid alarming the population.

The outbreak was first reported by Chinese authorities on Dec. 31, 2019, but the disease first emerged in the city of Wuhan in early December. It has since spread to all Chinese provinces and regions, as well as more than 20 countries around the world. And with over 12,000 confirmed infections as of Saturday morning, Liu Yingzi, director of the Hubei health commission, said on Jan. 29 that there were more than 170,000 medical staff working on the frontlines treating coronavirus patients.

Meanwhile, doctors from Hubei hospitals told state-run media that they lack the human resources to treat patients. Some of them have worked for more than 24 hours straight. On Jan. 22, state-run Jiangsu Television reported that an Wuhan doctor was infected with the coronavirus after treating patients for 11 days. He was under self-quarantine and told his family members that he had worked 26 hours straight, as there were too many patients at the hospital.

On Jan. 29, Zeng Guang, the chief scientist of epidemiology at China’s CDC, made a rare candid admission about why Chinese officials cannot tell people the truth, in an interview with the state-run tabloid Global Times.

And then there's this, from SixthTone's David Paulk: "The 8 people detained in Wuhan for “spreading rumors” — who we wrote about in a Jan. 2 article that was censored — were doctors trying to raise the alarm about a new SARS-like virus."
We leave the last word to Zeng, the chief scientist at China's CDC: "The officials need to think about the political angle and social stability in order to keep their positions," he said, which is all one needs to know about any "facts" coming out of China.
 

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HAZMATS ON PLANE
Coronavirus lockdown on Irish plane as passengers given advice sheets after man with possible symptoms taken off flight

PASSENGERS were given advice sheets after medics in hazmat suits boarded a plane at Dublin Airport last night after a man on board displayed potential symptoms of coronavirus.

A man travelling on a flight from Moscow was taken off the plane when it landed at Dublin Airport shortly after 9pm.

Paramedics boarded the flight and spoke to the man — who had originally travelled from China — and he was taken to an ambulance on the tarmac.

The rest of the passengers were held on Aeroflot SU2590 for nearly two hours following the incident.

One flier spoke to the Irish Sun from the aircraft and said: “The man was actually sitting two rows behind me.

“We landed at about 9pm and all the paramedics in protective suits got on the plane and spoke to the man.

“He told them he had originally flown from China, but flew through Moscow.

“He looked quite pale when he was going off but there had been no issue throughout the flight.”

ALLOWED OFF PLANE
They added: “After he was taken off the National Director for Public Health got on and we were all given forms to fill out. They told us we might be contacted in a couple of days. Everyone was quite calm throughout it.

“At one point we thought we were getting off but then the doctor got back on and told us all to sit down again. I flew from Thailand and all our temperatures were checked at the airport there but there was nothing in Moscow.

“We were just given the travel advice sheets about coronavirus in Dublin.”

The passengers were all allowed off the plane shortly before 11pm.

DOC ON BOARD
Doctor Laura Noonan, from Ballymahon, Co Longford, was also on the flight and posted on her Facebook account, Laura’s Russian Lifeline, not long after.

She said: “Russia is very close to China and there were no checks in the airport whatsoever regarding previous travel or current health status. We are terrified.”

The travel advice sheets given to the passengers was dated February 1 and said: “You have been on a flight today with a possible case of novel coronavirus.

“Please avoid contact with other people as much as possible tonight.

“If you become ill, especially with cough, sore throat, breathlessness or high temperature: Stay home or in your hotel and phone a doctor or 999 for advice, mentioning that your were on this flight.

“A Public Health doctor will contact you tomorrow. More advice on novel coronavirus is at www.hpsc.ie.”

RESPONSE READIED
In a statement last night, The National Public Health Emergency Team, who are due to meet again in the coming days, said: "Ireland has advanced plans in place as part of its comprehensive preparedness to deal with public health emergencies such as novel Coronavirus (2019 nCoV).

"These plans have helped us to respond to previous incidents such as pandemic influenza, SARS and MERS.

"The aim of these plans in Ireland at this point in the response to novel coronavirus is one of containment. This seeks to maximise the chance of a case being detected should one arise here and to prevent it being transmitted to another person.

"The activation of protocols that achieve this is a core and expected feature of our preparedness and ongoing response.

"The protocol always ensures that the people involved are fully communicated with and are aware of what is going on."

The statement added: "Their activation is an indication of the quality and responsiveness of the agencies and the staff who carry them out in the health services, the emergency service and at the ports of entry into Ireland.

"No information will be provided about individual activations of these plans or about individual cases of novel Coronavirus (2019-ncCoV) other than confirmed cases.

"As of 1 February 2020, there are no confirmed cases in Ireland."

Latest coronavirus case in US confirmed as killer bug continues to spread across entire country

 

marsh

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Social Media Networks Vow To Censor "Misinformation" About Coronavirus

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 19:30

Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,

Yesterday, social media giants like Facebook and Twitter, and search engine Google announced their intentions to censor – um, crack down on – so-called “misinformation” about the coronavirus that is spreading across the globe.


Before we get started here, admittedly, there’s some absolutely terrible advice out there about preventing or curing coronavirus. There are some really wild stories about the origin of the virus which may or may not be true. But the issue here is that social media networks are setting themselves up as the arbiters of truth, making it seem as though the rest of us are incapable of separating good information from bad information.

Facebook is taking action.

Kang-Xing Jin, Facebook’s head of health, wrote:
Our global network of third-party fact-checkers are continuing their work reviewing content and debunking false claims that are spreading related to the coronavirus. When they rate information as false, we limit its spread on Facebook and Instagram and show people accurate information from these partners. We also send notifications to people who already shared or are trying to share this content to alert them that it’s been fact-checked.
We will also start to remove content with false claims or conspiracy theories that have been flagged by leading global health organizations and local health authorities that could cause harm to people who believe them. We are doing this as an extension of our existing policies to remove content that could cause physical harm. We’re focusing on claims that are designed to discourage treatment or taking appropriate precautions. This includes claims related to false cures or prevention methods — like drinking bleach cures the coronavirus — or claims that create confusion about health resources that are available. We will also block or restrict hashtags used to spread misinformation on Instagram, and are conducting proactive sweeps to find and remove as much of this content as we can. (source)
So, don’t worry, friends. “Independent fact-checkers” from the Ministry of Truth will protect you from conspiracy theories and false claims.

Maarten Schenk from Lead Stories, a fact-checking organization working with Facebook, scoffed at some of the “conspiracy theories” he’s seen in a comment to CNN.
“It always has to be something sinister,” Schenk said of the conspiracy theorists’ misinformation, which includes false claims that the virus was the creation of a government.
Some people, Schenk said, are “not trusting the narrative about the numbers of deaths and infections.” (source)
To be perfectly honest, whenever someone refers to a particular view as “the narrative” I’m even less likely to trust it than I was before. And I haven’t trusted the numbers coming out of China from the very beginning, as I wrote here.

Google is pushing back “misinformation” in search results.
Google is bumping any site providing perceived “misinformation” back in the search results and putting “authoritative” sources on page one.
A Google (GOOGL) spokesperson pointed CNN Business to policy changes in recent years for Google and its video platform YouTube, which are designed to surface information from authoritative sources at the top of search results. Like Facebook, the company doesn’t wipe false claims from its platforms entirely. (source)
Having been bumped back by Google numerous times in the past, I can tell you, it’s a real blow to inbound traffic when this occurs. While you personally may not use Google, keep in mind that it is the most widely used search engine in the world, with 81.5% of the market share. If they are pushing back information – oh, of course, I mean misinformation – then most folks will never see it.

Twitter is showing people “official channels” first.

According to CNN, Twitter is providing people with the best possible information when they search the coronvirus hashtag.

On Twitter, users searching for “coronavirus”in the US and other countries, including Hong Kong, Brazil, and Australia, are first prompted to visit official channels of information about the virus. In the US, Twitter directs users to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, beneath a bold headline that reads: “Know the facts.”


A Twitter (TWTR) spokesperson told CNN Business on Tuesday that the company has not seen a coordinated increase in disinformation related to the coronavirus. In a blog post Tuesday, the company said it had seen over 15 million tweets about the coronavirus in four weeks. (source)
But of course, as always, it goes further than that.

Last night, Zero Hedge was quickly suspended by Twitter.

I’ve written repeatedly that the best coverage I have seen of the coronavirus has been on Zero Hedge. They’ve done a lot of no-holds-barred reporting and broken numerous stories about the virus and its possible origins. They’ve been careful to be extremely clear about whether something is a question or a statement, and they cite numerous sources for their work.

They’re also not afraid to be controversial.
And this got their account suspended from Twitter last evening.

Shortly after they posted an article about the extremely unusual makeup of this particular coronavirus (based on a scientific study that called the makeup “unlikely to be fortuitous,” their account was suspended. I immediately thought it was because of the article that suggested we could be dealing with a bioweapon, but according to Zero Hedge, it was something else entirely.

Twitter accused them of harassing a guy by posting his (already publicly posted) phone number and workplace. ZH reports:
What appears to have happened is that twitter received a complaint from the website best known for publishing the discredited Steele dossier when no other media outlet would touch it, and making cat slideshows of course, Buzzfeed, in which someone called Ryan Broderick writes that Zero Hedge has released the personal information of a scientist from Wuhan, China, falsely accusing them of creating the coronavirus as a bioweapon, in a plot it said is the real-life version of the video game Resident Evil.” (source)
By all means, Twitter should certainly take the word of someone who works for a site best known for quizzes to help you figure out what kind of potato you really are to delete a news organization’s account.

It’s also important to note that ZH didn’t post anything personal that wasn’t already publicly made available by the subject of the article himself.
…we did not release any “personal information”: Peng Zhou (周鹏) is a public figure, and all the contact information that we presented was pulled from his publicly posted bio found on a website at the Wuhan Institute of Virology which anyone with access to the internet can pull from the following URL: 专家人才库数据----中国科学院武汉病毒研究所, which is also the information we used. (source)
So who do you want filtering information for you?

While I have seen a lot of terrible advice – drink bleach or a bottle of vinegar to “cure” coronavirus, use this essential oil and you’ll never get coronavirus, simply cut an onion in half and leave it in the room and it will absorb the coronavirus cooties, and much more quackery – I still don’t believe that social media networks and search engines should be able to filter what people see. We are (allegedly) free individuals who can think for ourselves.

Shouldn’t we be able to decide what we believe and what we don’t without information being engineered to fit a narrative? Shouldn’t we be able to base our pandemic preparedness plan on all the information out there?

Instead, we’re provided with “narratives” and biased information. That’s something we here at The Organic Prepper have warned about repeatedly. If you can’t trust your intel, it makes it difficult to make informed decisions.

This just makes it seem like there’s something to hide.

If anything, this crackdown on any alternative views, treatments, or theories makes me even more suspicious because it’s a clearcut case of Propaganda 101.
Propaganda is information that is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.
Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies, religious organizations, the media, and individuals can also produce propaganda. (source)
This is a technique that is as old as time.

Whenever you see some pop-up or some “correction of misinformation” the first thing you should do is ask yourself, is what are they trying to hide? It may legitimately be bad advice (like that whole drinking bleach thing) but it may also be something more sinister.

I don’t know about you, but now I’m even more curious and doubtful about the “narrative” than I was before. What is it, really, that they don’t want the rest of us to know?
 

marsh

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'Corpses Taken Directly To Crematorium' - New Accounts Detail Grisly Operation At Wuhan's Fifth Hospital

by Tyler Durden
Sat, 02/01/2020 - 16:00

Radio Free Asia (RFA) has tweeted a disturbing video on its Twitter account on Saturday morning detailing how those who died of coronavirus in Wuhan, the outbreak area in China, were loaded up on a bus and taken "directly to the crematorium."

RFA said (in a translated tweet): "[Latest Situation of Wuhan Fifth Hospital] Some Wuhan citizens entered Wuhan Fifth Hospital on February 1st and found many patients who died of pneumonia. The corpses were packed directly to the crematorium. Paramedics are busy rescuing the dying patient."

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View: https://twitter.com/RFA_Chinese/status/1223642064170225665


【武汉市第五医院最新情况】

有武汉市民2月1日进入武汉第五医院,发现多具因肺炎死亡的病人,尸体就地打包直接送去火葬场。医护人员忙于抢救垂死的病人。
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RFA's video is in line with our report from Friday that said those who died of the deadly virus were hauled off to a crematorium in Wuhan by Chinese authorities.

DW News East Asia correspondent William Yang cited a report from the Chinese-language news outlet Initium, which said cremation facilities in Wuhan were receiving bodies directly from hospitals without proper identification and were excluded from the official record.

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Also, one thing that #China is hiding is the number of death caused by the virus. Credible Chinese media outlet @initiumnews interviewed people working at local cremation centers, confirming that many dead bodies were sent directly from the hospitals to the cremation centers...
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"So, there are reasons to remain skeptical about what China has been sharing with the world because while they have been more transparent about certain things related to the virus, they continue to be sketchy and unreliable in other aspects," said Yang.

William Yang
@WilliamYang120

View: https://twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1222613581255987200

Replying to @WilliamYang120

"Without properly identifying these patients, which means there are patients who died from the virus but not adding to the official record. That shows the current death toll of 133 that we are seeing is way too low," he said.

William Yang
@WilliamYang120

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Replying to @WilliamYang120

The closet funeral home/ alleged crematorium is right down the street from Wuhan Fifth Hospital.

We noted Thursday night that over 100,000 Chinese had been placed under observation for suspected coronavirus.

The virus has uncontrollably spread across China, forcing the Trump administration on Friday to restrict entry into the US from the outbreak area.

Putting the coronavirus in the context of the deadly SARS epidemic, the coronavirus pandemic has now officially exceeded SARS in cumulative cases in just two weeks.
 
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The Global Supply & Demand Shock Of The Coronavirus
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by Tyler Durden
Sat, 02/01/2020 - 18:30


Via Global Macro Monitor,
Our analysis of the impact of the Coronavirus is a work in progress and nobody knows the endgame. It is still the early days of the epidemic, and its dynamics will take time to understand. The scale of the impact will depend on how contagious and lethal it reveals itself.

There is a supply shock to global manufacturing as many factories in the world’s supply chain will be shuttered for longer, which shifts the global supply curve left, increasing-price and production pressures. Ergo component shortages, higher prices, and lower production.
The 2 percent decline in the U.S. stock market and collapse in bond yields are signaling a potential global aggregate demand shock that offsets the supply shock.




As of Friday, 10,000 cases have been confirmed by China, surpassing the total from the 2002-2003 SARS epidemic. The new virus has killed 171 people in China.


The epicenter of the outbreak is Wuhan, one of China’s largest manufacturing centers.
Foxconn and Pegatron have operations there, as do memory manufacturers such as XMC (nor flash) and Yangtze Memory Technologies Co. (non-volatile memory).

Auto producers, such as General Motors, Honda, Volkswagen, BMW and Daimler also populate the region.
The electronics industry is poised for a cascading disruption that could change industry growth forecasts for the year. Bill McLean, president of semiconductor research firm IC Insights, said the virus has exacerbated the economic unease that has stalled semiconductor capital investment.

“Brexit, trade issues and now the coronavirus are causing global uncertainty,” he said at a Boston-based forum. “Uncertainty causes [businesses and consumers] to freeze.” Worldwide, semiconductor capital spending is forecast to decrease by roughly 6 percent this year, from $103.5 billion in 2019 to roughly $97.6 billion.

Zhang Ming, an economist at government-backed think-tank the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, warned that the virus could push China’s economic growth below 5 per cent a year in the first quarter, reported the Financial Times. Economic consensus currently puts China’s GDP growth at 5.7 percent. That average has steadily declined since 2018, according to McLean. — EE Times
More than 300 of the Global Top 500 companies have a presence in Wuhan, including Microsoft and Siemens. Wuhan is located in the Hubei Province.

Wuhan has 10 car factories, including those Honda, Renault, PSA and General Motors. The car industry represents around 20 percent of the city’s economy and employs 200,000 people directly and more than a million indirectly.


Here is a look at the main manufacturing regions in China.
  • China Manufacturing Distribution Breakdown
  • Electronic Industry: Mainly in Guangdong (33%), the rest in Yangtze River delta, Sichuan, Shaanxi Provinces.
  • Textile Industry: Mainly in Zhejiang (18%) and Jiangsu (20%), the rest in Fujian, Guangdong, Shandong Provinces.
  • Leather & Feather: South-East Coastal areas, Hebei, Henan, Chongqing and Ningxia provinces.
  • Metal Product: Zhejiang, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Shandong, Hebei, Henan provinces.
  • Glass: More in Hebei, Jiangsu, some in Shandong and Guangdong provinces.
  • Ceramics: Jingdezhen in Jiangxi provinces
  • Furniture: Mainly in Guangdong and Hebei province, the rest in Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Shanghai, Chengdu and Beijing.
  • Construction: More in Shandong province, the rest in Hubei, Henan, Guangdong, Jiangsu, Beijing, Zhejiang.
  • Household Appliance: Guangdong, Zhejiang, Shandong provinces.
  • Artware & Stationary & Sporting: Zhejiang, Fujian, Guangdong, Hubei
  • Papermaking & Printing: Guangdong, Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shandong, Fujian
  • Machinery Manufacturing: Dongbei Area, Hunan and Hubei provinces.
  • Petrochemical Industry: Shandong (32%), Liaoning (21%), Guangdong (15%)
  • Pharmaceutical Industry: Tianjin city, Xian city in Shanxi province
  • Food & Beverage: Liaoning, Shandong, Jiangsu, Guangdong, Fujian, Hebei, Henan, Hunan, Hubei, Inner Mongolia
  • Transportation Equipment:
    • Motor & Bicycle: Taizhou city in Zhejiang province (40%)
    • Shipping/Vessel: Yangtze River delta, Pearl River Delta, Bohai Bay Areas
    • Automobile: Mainly in Jilin, Hubei, Shanghai and Yangtze River delta, the rest in Pearl River Delta, Beijing
Most factories lose about two weeks of production in total during the Lunar Holiday but more production will be lost as the holiday has been extended.
 

Scarletbreasted

Galloping geriatric
It is interesting to note that even the latest "news event" sic. the death in the Philippines (Which should read death of a Chinese man in the etc. etc.), also note his Chinese wife is also contaminated but still alive) - This only "Caucasian" mentioned death, which may not be Caucasian, is the man who drove two Wuhan bus loads of people around.
Hypothesis- he may have been a Chinese with Bavarian citizenship or even a first born generation Bavarian of Chinese parentage who spoke Chinese...........What would a German speaker be doing driving Chinese tourists around? Bi-lingual would be the only other alternative?
sb
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Social Media Networks Vow To Censor "Misinformation" About Coronavirus

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 19:30

Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,

Yesterday, social media giants like Facebook and Twitter, and search engine Google announced their intentions to censor – um, crack down on – so-called “misinformation” about the coronavirus that is spreading across the globe.


Before we get started here, admittedly, there’s some absolutely terrible advice out there about preventing or curing coronavirus. There are some really wild stories about the origin of the virus which may or may not be true. But the issue here is that social media networks are setting themselves up as the arbiters of truth, making it seem as though the rest of us are incapable of separating good information from bad information.

Facebook is taking action.

Kang-Xing Jin, Facebook’s head of health, wrote:


So, don’t worry, friends. “Independent fact-checkers” from the Ministry of Truth will protect you from conspiracy theories and false claims.

Maarten Schenk from Lead Stories, a fact-checking organization working with Facebook, scoffed at some of the “conspiracy theories” he’s seen in a comment to CNN.


To be perfectly honest, whenever someone refers to a particular view as “the narrative” I’m even less likely to trust it than I was before. And I haven’t trusted the numbers coming out of China from the very beginning, as I wrote here.

Google is pushing back “misinformation” in search results.
Google is bumping any site providing perceived “misinformation” back in the search results and putting “authoritative” sources on page one.

Having been bumped back by Google numerous times in the past, I can tell you, it’s a real blow to inbound traffic when this occurs. While you personally may not use Google, keep in mind that it is the most widely used search engine in the world, with 81.5% of the market share. If they are pushing back information – oh, of course, I mean misinformation – then most folks will never see it.

Twitter is showing people “official channels” first.

According to CNN, Twitter is providing people with the best possible information when they search the coronvirus hashtag.





But of course, as always, it goes further than that.

Last night, Zero Hedge was quickly suspended by Twitter.

I’ve written repeatedly that the best coverage I have seen of the coronavirus has been on Zero Hedge. They’ve done a lot of no-holds-barred reporting and broken numerous stories about the virus and its possible origins. They’ve been careful to be extremely clear about whether something is a question or a statement, and they cite numerous sources for their work.

They’re also not afraid to be controversial.
And this got their account suspended from Twitter last evening.

Shortly after they posted an article about the extremely unusual makeup of this particular coronavirus (based on a scientific study that called the makeup “unlikely to be fortuitous,” their account was suspended. I immediately thought it was because of the article that suggested we could be dealing with a bioweapon, but according to Zero Hedge, it was something else entirely.

Twitter accused them of harassing a guy by posting his (already publicly posted) phone number and workplace. ZH reports:

By all means, Twitter should certainly take the word of someone who works for a site best known for quizzes to help you figure out what kind of potato you really are to delete a news organization’s account.

It’s also important to note that ZH didn’t post anything personal that wasn’t already publicly made available by the subject of the article himself.

So who do you want filtering information for you?

While I have seen a lot of terrible advice – drink bleach or a bottle of vinegar to “cure” coronavirus, use this essential oil and you’ll never get coronavirus, simply cut an onion in half and leave it in the room and it will absorb the coronavirus cooties, and much more quackery – I still don’t believe that social media networks and search engines should be able to filter what people see. We are (allegedly) free individuals who can think for ourselves.

Shouldn’t we be able to decide what we believe and what we don’t without information being engineered to fit a narrative? Shouldn’t we be able to base our pandemic preparedness plan on all the information out there?

Instead, we’re provided with “narratives” and biased information. That’s something we here at The Organic Prepper have warned about repeatedly. If you can’t trust your intel, it makes it difficult to make informed decisions.

This just makes it seem like there’s something to hide.

If anything, this crackdown on any alternative views, treatments, or theories makes me even more suspicious because it’s a clearcut case of Propaganda 101.


This is a technique that is as old as time.

Whenever you see some pop-up or some “correction of misinformation” the first thing you should do is ask yourself, is what are they trying to hide? It may legitimately be bad advice (like that whole drinking bleach thing) but it may also be something more sinister.

I don’t know about you, but now I’m even more curious and doubtful about the “narrative” than I was before. What is it, really, that they don’t want the rest of us to know?


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ibetiny

Veteran Member
I pulled the trigger on another 60 cans of Mountain House meals from Amazon. This weekend I'm buying dry beans and assorted/related items from them as well. If anyone is interested I will report on actual shipping times. The amount and variety of freeze dried foods on Amazon was much lower than normal, Wal Mart online was low as well. Amazon's stock of bulk beans were short too, several 25lb variety's were out of stock.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
China Outraged As World Cancels Flights And Shuts Borders Amid Coronavirus Outbreak

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 12:40

Countries that surround China have closed their border crossings and halted trade this week, air carriers across the world have also suspended flights to and from the country because of the novel coronavirus outbreak. Beijing has responded with outrage, by saying the measures enacted by the global community to limit the spread of the deadly virus goes way beyond standards accepted worldwide, reported R.T. News.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar on Saturday that "we have adopted the most comprehensive and strictest prevention and control measures, and many of them go far beyond the requirements of the International Health Regulation."

"China's efforts are [aimed at] not only protecting the health of its own people but also safeguarding the health of people worldwide. Governments and the World Health Organization (WHO) have given full recognition to this," Wang said.




The minister also said that Beijing "does not agree with the approach adopted by individual countries to create tension or even panic" by closing borders, trade, and flights to and from China.

He pointed out that the WHO "did not approve of travel or trade restrictions on China."
For anyone who didn't listen to officials at Thursday's emergency conference, it sounded like they were reading a script from Beijing, with consistent praises of the Chinese regime for their efforts in "containing" coronavirus.

WHO officials during the meeting also emphasized that global flights, borders, and trade must remain open with China, again it sounds like these officials were widely pressured by Beijing to keep the global economy open for business despite the known fact of a deadly virus outbreak.


RT

@RT_com

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1222839152619794433

#Coronavirus outbreak across the world

1.China
2.Thailand
3.Japan
4.Singapore
5.Hong Kong
6.Malaysia
7.Macau
8.Australia
9.United States
10.Vietnam
11.France
12.Germany
13.UAE
14.Canada
15.Finland
16.Sri Lanka
17.Nepal
18.India
19.Philippines
20.Cambodia
View image on Twitter

1,268

3:09 AM - Jan 30, 2020
Also, on Saturday, China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunyin criticized President Trump's travel ban on foreign nationals, who traveled to China within the last several weeks.
Hua said Trump's order to limit travel to and from China to the U.S. contradicted the WHO's request to avoid travel bans.
"Just as the WHO recommended against travel restrictions, the U.S. rushed to go in the opposite way. Certainly not a gesture of goodwill," he said.
The decision by the U.S. to restrict travel to China was followed by Japan, Germany, Britain, Hong Kong, Macao, Russia, North Korea, Australia, Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, and others, to name a few.

Airline carriers across the world also closed direct and indirect flights to China.

On Friday, Delta Airlines, American Airlines, and United Airlines said they were suspending flights to much of China.

British Airways, KLM Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Turkish Airlines, Air France, Air Seoul, EgyptAir, Lion Air, Austrian Airlines, Kenya Airways, Vietjet, and Lufthansa have also cut flights to the country.

*Walter Bloomberg@DeItaOne

https://twitter.com/DeItaOne/status/1223608146813423616

List of airlines suspending flights to china due to #coronavirus
View image on Twitter

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6:04 AM - Feb 1, 2020

China’s anger towards the world for closing borders, trade, and flights as a “devil virus” persists, is likely driven by the fact that its economy could implode if the shutdown is prolonged.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Well, now we know what happened to all the American made masks
_______________________________________________________

China To Exempt Taxes For Certain U.S. Products To Win Fight Against "Devil Virus"

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 11:50

The Ministry of Finance of the People's Republic of China published a statement Saturday, reviewed by Reuters, noting that tax exemptions for imported products from the U.S. will be enacted to help the country combat the deadly outbreak of coronavirus.

According to the statement, all products that will be tax-exempt must be directly for the use of “epidemic control” and will be exempt from import tariffs through the end of March.
Some of these products include 3M face masks, Ford or Chevy ambulances and disinfectant products.



There was no mention by the finance ministry whether Beijing would continue to honor the phase one trade deal signed with the U.S. last month.

In three weeks’ time from the signing of the trade agreement, two-thirds of China’s economy has virtually ground to a halt, major manufacturing hubs have been shuttered, more than 50 million people are quarantined, and transportation networks across the country have come to a standstill.

About 12,000 cases of coronavirus have so far been reported in China (as of Friday night), with 259 deaths, along with a new report from Hong Kong scientists that estimate at least 75,000 people in Wuhan might be infected.



China accounts for 17% of global GDP, up from 4% in 2003, with much of the world’s supply chains are deeply rooted in the country and are currently shutdown. Growth perspectives for China and the world are plunging, the bond market and commodities say so, which means demand for products from the U.S. will decline, this makes it hard for China to meet hard targets of the phase one trade agreement.

So about that $200 billion in goods, China has to buy from the U.S...
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I pulled the trigger on another 60 cans of Mountain House meals from Amazon. This weekend I'm buying dry beans and assorted/related items from them as well. If anyone is interested I will report on actual shipping times. The amount and variety of freeze dried foods on Amazon was much lower than normal, Wal Mart online was low as well. Amazon's stock of bulk beans were short too, several 25lb variety's were out of stock.

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It is interesting to note that even the latest "news event" sic. the death in the Philippines (Which should read death of a Chinese man in the etc. etc.), also note his Chinese wife is also contaminated but still alive) - This only "Caucasian" mentioned death, which may not be Caucasian, is the man who drove two Wuhan bus loads of people around.
Hypothesis- he may have been a Chinese with Bavarian citizenship or even a first born generation Bavarian of Chinese parentage who spoke Chinese...........What would a German speaker be doing driving Chinese tourists around? Bi-lingual would be the only other alternative?
sb

The Bavarians were Caucasian. Two of them contracted the virus from contacts at a series of business meetings in Germany with their employer, (a manufacturer of auto parts.) The virus carrier was a woman who worked for the same company, who came in from Shanghai. She did not get symptoms until her return to China.

One of the men felt sick with a fever, then it passed and he went back to work. He infected two more workers. They were all Caucasian. I think on down the line, there have been seven infected.

This will explain it:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3xqcGidpQ
12:01 min

The bus driver and the tour guide who were infected by tourists from Wuhan are from Japan.
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
Playing devil's advocate here, but you may need cremation when all other funerary services are swamped, with no end in sight...

But I agree, this isn't your run of the mill corona or influenza virus, and they've been acting like they know more than they're letting on for weeks now.
What's the normal death rate in a city of 11 million people adding a couple hundred people spread out over a few weeks would not swamp the funeral services, the true numbers have to be 10 times that which is being reported.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Vitamins are another way of possibly replacing meds if you cannot get them. I had a daughter who needed to medicate this way when she was pregnant. She used niacin, vitamin C, variety of B vitamins, etc. Truly worked on maintaining her ADHD, depression, ODD, etc. lots of good info here. FWIW:

DoctorYourself.com: Andrew Saul's Natural Health Website

Here are two additional articles.
Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus

by Andrew W. Saul, Editor

Can Herbal Medicines Fight Wuhan Coronavirus?

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Cremation order in Mandarin for casualities;

English translation;
Notice on Printing and Distributing the Guidelines for the Disposal of Remains of Patients with Pneumonia Infected by New Coronavirus (Trial)
Release time: 2020-02-02 Source: Website of the National Health and Health Commission

National Health Office Medical Letter [2020] No. 89

Provinces, autonomous regions, municipalities and Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps Health and Health Committee, Civil Affairs Department (Bureau), Public Security Department (Bureau):

I will publish to you the Guidelines for the Disposal of the Remains of Pneumonia Patients Infected by the New Coronavirus (Trial), please implement them carefully in accordance with the actual situation.


General Office of the National Health and Health Commission General Office of the Ministry of Civil Affairs

General Office of the Ministry of Public Security

February 1, 2020

Remains of patients with pneumonitis infected by new coronavirus
Disposal Guidelines (Trial)

In order to do a good job in disposing the remains of patients with pneumonitis infected by a new type of coronavirus (hereinafter referred to as patients with new coronary pneumonia) and prevent the risk of disease transmission, in accordance with the "People's Republic of China Law on the Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases" and the "Rules for the Disposal of the Remains of Victims of Major Emergencies" ( Minfa [2017] No. 38) and other relevant requirements, this work guide is specially formulated.

I. General requirements
In accordance with the principles of people-oriented, legally regulated, timely and reliable, cremated nearby, and suspected subordinate principles, implement unified leadership, hierarchical responsibility, mutual coordination, and territorial management, scientific and standardized disposal of the remains of patients with new coronary pneumonia, strengthen health protection, prevent the risk of disease transmission, and protect the human body Health and social security.

Twenty-two, division of responsibilities
The medical institution is responsible for issuing a medical certificate of death in a timely manner, notifying the funeral home to pick up the remains, and do a good job in sanitary and epidemic treatment such as disinfecting the remains.
The funeral parlour is responsible for receiving and transporting the remains in time, setting up a special funeral service channel and a special cremation furnace, doing cremation work in accordance with the operating procedures, and issuing a cremation certificate.

Disease prevention and control agencies are responsible for supervising and guiding sanitation and epidemic prevention work, do a good job in training related personnel in protection knowledge and skills, and disinfect funeral vehicles, cremation equipment and related places.

The administrative department of health and health is responsible for formulating relevant technical documents for sanitary and epidemic prevention, such as disinfection of remains, and guiding medical institutions to properly handle the remains of patients with new coronary pneumonia in this institution.

The civil affairs department is responsible for fully understanding the funeral services and available resources in the area, and timely coordinating and guiding the funeral home and other service agencies to do the disposal of the remains of patients with new coronary pneumonia.

Public security organs are responsible for giving priority to the passage of vehicles for transporting remains, and investigating and punishing illegal acts during the transfer of remains.

III. Remains disposal process
(1) Death report. After the death of patients with new crown pneumonia, the medical institution where they are located reports to the health and administrative department at the same level. The health and administrative department notifies the civil affairs department at the same level.

(2) Health and epidemic prevention treatment. For the remains of dead patients with neo-coronary pneumonia, the medical staff of the medical institution where they are located shall disinfect and seal the remains in accordance with the "Technical Guidelines for the Prevention and Control of New Coronavirus Infection in Medical Institutions (First Edition)", and it is strictly forbidden to open them after sealing.

(3) Handover procedures. The medical institution shall contact the funeral home as soon as possible after the completion of the sanitary and epidemic prevention treatment of the remains, issue a death certificate, and contact the relatives to agree to the cremation, and indicate in the transfer of the remains that the sanitary and epidemic prevention treatment has been carried out and the opinion of immediate cremation. If the relatives of patients with new coronary pneumonia refuse to be present or refuse to transfer the remains, they shall be persuaded by medical institutions and funeral parlours. If the persuasion is invalid, the medical institutions shall sign the remains and submit them to the funeral parlor for direct cremation. The public security organs in the jurisdiction shall cooperate in the relevant work.

(4) Transfer of remains. The transportation of remains shall not be undertaken by units and individuals other than funeral homes. The funeral home will arrange full-time personnel and special corpses to the designated place of the medical institution, and transfer the remains to the designated special corpses according to the designated route to the funeral home.

(5) Personnel protection. The disease prevention and control institution shall instruct medical personnel, personnel for the transportation and disposal of remains, etc., to carry out health protection in accordance with the requirements for protection from disease exposure.

(6) Cremation of the remains. After the remains were delivered to the funeral parlour, the funeral parlour set up a special temporary passageway, and the funeral parlor's full-time staff directly sent the remains to a special cremation furnace for cremation. Remains must not be stored or visited, and it is strictly forbidden to open the sealed remains bag during the whole process.

(7) Handover of ashes. After the cremation was completed, the ashes of the funeral home were picked up by the service staff of the funeral home, and a cremation certificate was issued, which was handed over to relatives to take away. If the family refuses to take it away, it shall be treated as ashes of an unclaimed body.

(8) Environmental disinfection. The disease prevention and control agency strictly disinfects the remains transport vehicles, equipment and tools, cremation workshops, and remains of the remains, etc., and performs harmless treatment of funeral waste.

(9) Information management. Medical institutions and funeral homes shall timely register and store business records of the treatment of the remains of patients with new coronary pneumonia, and report the treatment to the disease prevention and control institutions at the same level and the civil affairs department in a timely manner.

24. Relevant regulations
一 (1) The remains of patients with neo-coronary pneumonia who died in the province (autonomous region, city) should be cremated nearby. No burial or other means of preservation should be used, and no transportation should be performed. Remains of patients with neo-coronary pneumonia who died outside of this province (region, city) should not enter the province's territory and be cremated on the spot in accordance with the principle of proximity.

二 (2) After the death of patients with new coronary pneumonia, no farewell ceremony of corpses and other forms of funeral activities shall be held.

(3) The remains of patients with new coronary pneumonia in ethnic minorities must be cremated in situ in accordance with the provisions of the Law on Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases. After cremation, the ashes can be resettled according to national customs.

(4) If a foreigner in China, Hong Kong, Macao, or Taiwanese died from pneumonia due to a new coronavirus infection, the remains must be cremated in situ in accordance with the Law on Prevention and Treatment of Infectious Diseases. The cremated ashes can be transported out of the country according to the wishes of the deceased's family members.

(5) The remains of patients suspected of new coronary pneumonia (including those who adopt preventive measures such as isolation and observation) shall be handled in accordance with the principle of "suspected from existence" to prevent the spread of the epidemic.

(6) Relevant expenses such as transportation and cremation of the remains shall be settled in accordance with relevant regulations.

Attachment: 1. Protective standards for the transporters of dead bodies of patients with pneumonia died from new coronavirus infection and disinfection methods

2. Delivery form for corpse death of patients with pneumonitis infected by novel coronavirus

3. Cremation registration form for corpse deaths of patients with pneumonia due to novel coronavirus infection

attachment1

Remains of dead patients with pneumonitis infected by novel coronavirus
Transport personnel protection standards and disinfection methods of transport vehicles

First, the protection of the personnel transporting the remains
Refer to "Pneumonitis Prevention and Control Program for New Coronavirus Infection (Third Edition)" and Annex 5 "Guidelines for Personal Protection of Specific Populations (First Edition)" for self-defense standards of cadaver handlers, or for patients with pneumonia who have entered the new coronavirus infection / Protection requirements for medical staff in suspected patient isolation ward.

It is recommended to wear work clothes, disposable work caps, disposable gloves and long-sleeved thick rubber gloves, disposable protective clothing, medical protective masks, goggles or protective screens, work shoes or rubber boots, etc. Transporters should do good hand hygiene. They can use hand sanitizer and running water to wash their hands or use quick-drying hand disinfectant.


Twenty-two, the disinfection of the vehicle carrying the remains
When the transportation vehicle has no visible pollutants, spray 1000mg / L chlorine-containing disinfectant or 500mg / L chlorine dioxide disinfectant on the surface of the vehicle to moisten the surface for 30 minutes. When there are visible pollutants in the transport vehicle, first use disposable absorbent materials to absorb 5000mg / L ~ 10000mg / L of chlorine-containing disinfectant (or disinfection wipes / dry wipes that can achieve high-level disinfection) to completely remove the pollutants, and then Dispose of the vehicle as no visible pollutants. Protect precision instruments during disinfectant spraying.

Related link: Interpretation of "Guidelines for the Disposal of Remains of Pneumonia Patients Infected by New Coronavirus (Trial)"



List of attachments:
1: Delivery of the remains of patients with pneumonia due to novel coronavirus infection. Xls
2: Cremation registration form for the remains of patients with pneumonia due to novel coronavirus infection.xls
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
This might of been posted earlier in the thread;

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Another 9 million people under quarantine? With that we are over 60 million people now. Their system is starting to grind to a halt.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
No test kits, no corona infections to report. That is one way to keep the official numbers down. If only the most seriously visibly ill are being tested due to lack of kits and laboratory turn around timed that is a way to vastly underreport official numbers with a straight face.

Agreed! That’s what I was thinking. If testing kits are so scarce that getting one is like winning the lottery, then if a person dies without getting tested, they didn’t officially die from the Wuhan coronavirus. And China doesn’t need to report it.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Oh great doomer known as Doug.

Totally agree the Chinese numbers are wack. And one can argue wildly understated.

So, what about the rest of the world? Pretty low numbers. 140 confirmed cases, and two serious - with zero fatalities.

Not much there there?

Kinda curious, will there be videos of people dropping in the streets of downtown Portland anytime soon?

Not scoffing, just asking for a friend. ;-)

===

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The rest of the world hasn't hidden what is happening for the last 4-6 weeks. Also we don't ignore when someone is ill. Give it a few weeks and things may get worse. If not, then we got ahead of it. The Chinese didn't
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Well, now we know what happened to all the American made masks
_______________________________________________________

China To Exempt Taxes For Certain U.S. Products To Win Fight Against "Devil Virus"

Sat, 02/01/2020 - 11:50

The Ministry of Finance of the People's Republic of China published a statement Saturday, reviewed by Reuters, noting that tax exemptions for imported products from the U.S. will be enacted to help the country combat the deadly outbreak of coronavirus.

According to the statement, all products that will be tax-exempt must be directly for the use of “epidemic control” and will be exempt from import tariffs through the end of March.
Some of these products include 3M face masks, Ford or Chevy ambulances and disinfectant products.



There was no mention by the finance ministry whether Beijing would continue to honor the phase one trade deal signed with the U.S. last month.

In three weeks’ time from the signing of the trade agreement, two-thirds of China’s economy has virtually ground to a halt, major manufacturing hubs have been shuttered, more than 50 million people are quarantined, and transportation networks across the country have come to a standstill.

About 12,000 cases of coronavirus have so far been reported in China (as of Friday night), with 259 deaths, along with a new report from Hong Kong scientists that estimate at least 75,000 people in Wuhan might be infected.



China accounts for 17% of global GDP, up from 4% in 2003, with much of the world’s supply chains are deeply rooted in the country and are currently shutdown. Growth perspectives for China and the world are plunging, the bond market and commodities say so, which means demand for products from the U.S. will decline, this makes it hard for China to meet hard targets of the phase one trade agreement.

So about that $200 billion in goods, China has to buy from the U.S...
IF things are really going south in China, then we can see a demand increase from China for food products in particular. Though this may take several weeks to manifest, I do expect they will begin to import more products over the next 6 months. Once they are on their feet, they will stop all imports asap so as to get their economy back on its feet.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Agreed! That’s what I was thinking. If testing kits are so scarce that getting one is like winning the lottery, then if a person dies without getting tested, they didn’t officially die from the Wuhan coronavirus. And China doesn’t need to report it.
Then we could / should be able to determine the appropriate death rate by the overall death rate in Wuhan. Unfortunately, I expect that information to be a state secret for sometime to come.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I accept this even without the pronouncement of a researcher.
I guess there are a lot of people out there who like to handle such stuff? Is that why they are telling us this? People can be weird that is for sure.
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
So the virus can be caught just by contact more or less . If you have a open cut or scratch the virus can enter that way and does not have to go thru the lungs.

Only way to combat that is a full Hazmat suit and respirator. :msk:
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Just some passing thoughts this morning....

I'm less worried right now about the virus than I am about the societal reaction here in this country to the virus 'response'. While we are all watching the rapid spread of the virus there are problems being generated in the background noise. We acknowledge those problems mentally, but the 'train wreck' we are watching in slow motion is constantly grabbing for our attention. We can gain a lot by watching, while we can, the Chinese response to this viral outbreak to gain some knowledge of the governmental response... but societal response will be far different here than in China.

There will be shortages, and most of our society has not dealt with shortages. There will be quarantines and our society does not have any memory of quarantines as a whole. We have an entire society used to getting everything they want, when they want, and have very little patience with being told NO you can't have that... NO you cannot do that... NO, you no longer have freedom of travel and association.

Our model is not the communist model and as a result, we will have far more societal unrest in all manners if this thing really get's cooking here in the US. There will likely be just as many people dying from gunshot wounds as there will be from the nCoV virus during some 'phase' of this evolving event. That phase may be short lived, but it will be a societal game changer when/if it happens.

The biggest problem is, we have no better idea of the breaking point for society than we do for the virus spread here at home. Just remember to look beyond the viral outbreak because I don't think we are in Kansas anymore when it comes to calmly working through a large scale event here in the US.
 
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