DazedandConfused
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I would think that the body bags would be going into the oven as well. I don't see them removing the bodies and then having to deal with the infectious bag later burn it all at one time.
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There's always hope, Countrymouse. I hope the US avoids a pandemic. So far, so good. Keep the Faith!
Macgyver
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Not going to make a difference.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Just now, on NHK JAPAN NEWS “ number of dead in China rises to 300 dead, over 14,000 infected in China. Now warning it is also likely being spread by contact with infected body fluids, and also announce first death in Philippines.
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Chinese Funeral Customs & Traditions
An overview of Chinese funeral customs and traditions, including the burning of Joss paper, ancestor worship and more
www.funeralguide.co.uk
For thousands of years, the Chinese have had a complex relationship with death and the dead. Being such a large and diverse country, Chinese funeral rituals are influenced by many different religious and regional differences.
With elaborate funeral rites and memorial rituals, China has always put a lot of time and money into honouring the souls of those who have died. Chinese burial practices depend on the age, social status and marital status of the person who has died.
What are Chinese funeral traditions?
Burial is traditionally favoured in Chinese funerals, but with a rapidly expanding population, cremation is becoming more common.
Chinese burial practice dictates that the location of Chinese graves (which are usually mound-shaped) be chosen according to the complicated laws of feng shui. Feng shui is the practice of spacing physical objects in a particular way to influence the flow of energy, or chi, and it is believed that the grave’s location will impact the chi surrounding the family of the person who has died. In the case of a royal burial, good or bad feng shui may affect the entire nation.
At the heart of Chinese culture is filial piety or reverence for elders and ancestors. The same applies to death rituals and chinese funerals are usually arranged by the children of the person who has died or younger members of the family.
What happens at a Chinese funeral?
Before the funeral ceremony, family members take turns sitting with the person who has died in a vigil or wake known as shou ling. This shows loyalty to the person who has died, keeping them company as they are prepared to journey into the spiritual afterlife. The wake usually takes place in the family home or at the local temple over a period of up to seven days.
It is common for visiting mourners to bring white flowers or floral wreaths with banners featuring couplets commemorating the person who has died.
During the funeral ceremony, which can vary widely depending on local traditions, Taoist or Buddhist funeral prayers may be recited. Mourners leave offerings of food, incense and Joss paper.
Do Chinese give money at funerals?
It is expected that those who attend the wake or Chinese funeral give money placed in white envelopes to family members. The money is meant to be used for the funeral and should be an odd number. The amount that is given depends on the relationship of the bereaved family and the guest.
What is the money for a Chinese funeral called?
Paper money called Joss paper is burnt during Chinese funerals. Made from bamboo or rice paper, Joss paper is often made to look like money and is burnt in order to ‘give’ money to the souls of those who have died.
Why is paper money burned in Chinese funerals?
Burying grave goods and giving food offerings has always been part of the Chinese funeral ritual, and this has evolved into the practice of burning Joss paper at Chinese funerals.
Sometimes called ghost money or spirit money, it is believed that the souls will need money in the realm of Diyu, where they are judged by Yan Wang, Lord of the Earthly Court, before being taken to heaven or hell.
What are Chinese funeral customs?
Since ancient times, the Chinese have believed in a spiritual afterlife to which the soul journeys after death. Like many religions and cultures, the Chinese believed that the dead will need physical objects in the afterlife and so bury them with prized possessions, such as gold, jewellery and pottery.
Because the Chinese believe that the spirits of ancestors will be given these things in the afterlife, Joss paper is sometimes shaped into desirable goods such as clothes, cars, houses and food. Today, elaborate Joss paper offerings are still made and sold - often made to look like the latest gadgets and trends: smartphones, designer clothes and shoes, bicycles, cameras and even kitchen appliances.
According to Chinese funeral custom, elders should not show respect or offer prayers if the person was younger than them. If the person was unmarried, their body is not brought into the family home remains at the funeral home as they did not have any children to conduct funeral rites for them. If a child or infant dies, they are buried in silence without a ceremony.
How long does a Chinese funeral last?
A Chinese funeral usually takes place over 7 days, but the period of mourning lasts for 49 days with weekly prayers recited by the family every 7 days. A final ceremony, signifying the end of the mourning period, may be held after 100 days.
Why do Chinese wear white at funerals?
The colour white is associated with death in China, as in many Asian cultures. Sometimes a white banner is hung above the door of the bereaved household, and mourners often wear subdued colours. If the person who died was over 80 years, guests may wear shades of pink to the funeral ceremony as it is considered a longevity milestone, and people are encouraged to celebrate rather than mourn. The colour red is never worn for funerals, as it symbolises happiness and good fortune in Chinese culture (which is why it is the traditional colour of Chinese New Year and of Chinese weddings).
Read about the traditional Chinese festival of Qingming dedicated to honouring ancestors in our Death Around the World series.
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The Good News: He came from Wuhan, China.
The Bad News: "The man had “mixed pathogens” in his system, including “Streptococcus pneumoniae and Haemophilus influenza type b.”
First death outside of China reported in Philippines, more countries suspend China flights
A World Health Organization report said the outbreak is still largely centered in the Hubei province in China.
Coronavirus live updates: Philippines reports first death as China says virus has killed 304
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11:15 am: Philippines reports first death outside of China
A man who tested positive for the new coronavirus died on Saturday in the Philippines. In a Sunday briefing, officials in the Philippines said the man had “mixed pathogens” in his system, including “Streptococcus pneumoniae and Haemophilus influenza type b.”
“This is the first reported case outside of China. However, we need to keep in mind that he came from Wuhan, China,” Dr. Rabi Abeyasinghe, a World Health Organization representative in the Philippines said in a statement on Twitter.
World Health Organization Philippines
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There are now 2 confirmed 2019-nCoV cases in the Philippines. The 1st confirmed case and the 2nd confirmed case are close contacts. Both are known residents of Wuhan, China.
The 44-year-old male experienced fever, cough & sore throat before being admitted at San Lazaro Hospital.
World Health Organization Philippines
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WHO Representative in the Philippines Dr Rabi Abeyasinghe said: This is the first reported case outside of China. However, we need to keep in mind that he came from Wuhan, China.
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10:41 am: Trump and Trudeau discussed outbreak
The White House said President Donald Trump discussed the coronavirus outbreak with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in a Friday call. They discussed their countries’ “efforts to monitor, contain, and mitigate the spread of the 2019 novel coronavirus,” according to the White House statement.
10:14 am: Philippines expands travel restrictions
Philippines broadcaster GMA News reported that President Rodrigo Duterte has barred foreign nationals coming from mainland China, Hong Kong and Macao. GMA noted that the country had already barred travelers from Hubei province, where the epicenter of the outbreak, Wuhan, is located. Filipinos and Philippine residents returning from China will be quarantined for 14 days, GMA reported.
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President Rodrigo Duterte has decided to implement a temporary travel ban on all travelers coming from Mainland China and its special administrative regions Hong Kong and Macau amid the threat of the novel coronavirus, Senator Bong Go just announced. | @erwincolcol
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10 am: South Korea confirms 3 additional cases
Health officials confirmed three new cases of coronavirus in South Korea, bringing the total to 15.
9:32 am: Australia restricts entry for foreigners who have recently been in mainland China
Foreigners who have recently been in mainland China have been barred from entering Australia, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced Saturday. He said, however, this is a temporary measure that will be reviewed in 14 days.
This does not apply to permanent residents or Australian citizens. The government said it will require these groups to self-isolate for 14 days from the time of their departure from mainland China. Airline crews are also exempt, as long as they have been “using appropriate personal protective equipment.”
Morrison also said the Australian government has raised its travel advisory for all of mainland China to Level Four: “Do not travel.”
8:03 am: China confirms additional 2,590 cases, 45 deaths
China’s National Health Commission said it confirmed an additional 45 deaths and 2,590 cases through the end of Feb. 1. All of the additional deaths were in Hubei, according to the NHC. It said it has confirmed a total of 14,380 cases and 304 deaths.
6:38 am: Hubei confirms additional 45 deaths, 1,921 cases
Chinese health officials confirmed an additional 45 deaths and 1,921 cases in Hubei province, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. Through the end of Feb. 1, Hubei authorities said they confirmed a total of 9,074 cases, 294 deaths and 215 cured people so far in this outbreak.
All times below in U.S. eastern standard time.
4:27 pm: First person in New York City under investigation for coronavirus
The first person in New York City is under investigation for coronavirus, according to the Department of Health. The individual, who is under 40-years-old, has been hospitalized and is in stable condition after showing symptoms following travel to mainland China. Testing by the CDC to determine whether this is a confirmed case of coronavirus will take at least 36-48 hours, according to health officials.
“An individual with a travel history to China felt unwell and sought help from a medical provider who promptly contacted the Health Department,” said Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot.
3:15 pm: Pentagon will provide housing for those who need to be quarantined
The Pentagon approved a request from the Department of Health and Human services to provide housing for 1,000 people who could need to be quarantined after traveling abroad due to the virus, according to a Pentagon spokesperson.
3:00 pm: Apple closing stores in China could impact 1 million iPhones
As Apple temporarily closes its stores in China, roughly 1 million of Apple’s iPhones in China are at risk of shifting out of the March and into the June quarter if the virus outbreak continues into late February, according to a Webush analyst note. However, the firm notes that it would be a less than 3% of Chinese annual iPhone sales at most and would have a negligible impact.
2:00 pm: Virus outbreak still largely centered in Hubei, WHO reports
A World Health Organization report said the outbreak is still largely centered in the Hubei province in China. About 60.5% of all China cases since the start of the outbreak are from the region, and the remainder are from 33 other provinces, regions and cities, according to the report.
The second largest number of cases are from the Zhejiang province. Furthermore, 101 of the 132 cases confirmed outside of China were people who had traveled to China in the 14 days before the onset of the virus.
For more coverage on the coronavirus, read the overnight blog from CNBC’s U.S. team.
I think the Spanish Flu was rolling around the time as WW1 so there were multiple disruptions.
Would expect major negative impact for China because no production means no profits, also the restart may be scattered and bumpy dependent on unknowns like how long until virus burns out, total deaths where is specific hardest hit areas vs where is production etc...
Would expect major negative impact for China because no production means no profits, also the restart may be scattered and bumpy dependent on unknowns like how long until virus burns out, total deaths where is specific hardest hit areas vs where is production etc...
Tristan
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Countrymouse
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\rant On--and this time I AM shouting--because this topic makes me absolutely FURIOUS.
NOT the politicians.
THE G-D'd LIBERAL FOOLS who said, "OH, the POOR mentally-ill---being kept CAGED UP like that, against their wills! They need to be FREE!" (sort of reminds you of the bat-crazy extremist animal-rights folks, who call Coyotes--and even CROWS--"endangered" species who need to be "protected").
NOT saying these mentally-ill people are like "pest" animals---not at all--it's MUCH WORSE than that.
It's like taking INNOCENT LITTLE KIDS--about 2-5 years old---and putting them OUT ON THE STREETS--no parents, no guidance, no help--and saying, "THERE! Darling!--you're FREE!"
Yeah--"free" to DIE, to kill themselves, to kill others. THIS, is "freedom"?
And the ones who CLAMORED for this, were the DAMNED fool "liberals" in the 70's and 80's WHO GOT ALL THE HOSPITALS and ASYLUMS for the MENTALLY ILL CLOSED---because they'd watched one too many version of "The Snake Pit" and believed ALL those committed were in truth just fine and were committed wrongly.
By which logic we also got rid of the death penalty---letting MANY murderers go FREE, because of the VERY SMALL number of those FALSELY accused of murder.
But this is a totally different scenario---what the liberals have created, by FORCING THE CLOSURE of ALL institutions for the mentally ill, is putting these adult-CHILD people out on the street--where they CAN'T take care of themselves, and are a DANGER to themselves and others.
SO wrong---just as wrong as throwing out a 2 year old or 5 year old to fend for themselves---
But I don't see it changing any time soon.
May the ones who pat themselves on the back for their "compassion" in doing this,
be punished by feeling EVERY MOMENT OF SUFFERING of the poor mentally ill "children" who cannot cope with life, and their SUFFERING families whose hearts are breaking over them but CANNOT help them---because of the way the LIBERALS have made the LAWS now....
/rant off
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Umm, the main thing is am looking for in terms of all the other countries NOT CHINA and their cases is whether people start to die like in the phillipines, and whether more cases show up, whether they or part of the original cluster. In this case, he does, did he infect any body else and did they infect others, and did any of the above die. WhatcIvdon't want to see is a ripple type impact where you get that price doubling count. Two weeks should be enough to show whether you are ending up with a dozen or so cases in Manilla, followed by a few thousand in April
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TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
No. Do I believe the Chinese numbers? Of course not. But we don't need to fabricate our own. Overreacting, underreacting, both bad.
bcingu
Senior Member
The number of new cases in China is restricted by test kit availability
Wuhan, China, faces such a shortage of coronavirus test-kits that people say getting one is like 'winning the lottery'
Sahar Esfandiari Jan 24, 2020, 8:43 AM
China banned trains and planes from leaving Wuhan at the centre of a virus outbreak on January 23, seeking to seal off its 11 million people to contain the contagious disease that has claimed 17 lives, infected hundreds and spread to other countries.
The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person and has killed 26 people and infected more than 870 as of Friday morning.
Access to test kits has been reserved for those with the most severe symptoms, and reports suggest hospitals in affected areas outside Wuhan also have limited access to them.
The reports come as doctors say they face a "flooding" of patients and not enough protective gear, and the city of Wuhan scrambles to build a brand new hospital in just six days to treat the virus.
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
Health authorities in Wuhan, China, are reportedly facing such a shortage in test kits for the deadly coronavirus that originated in the city that people say getting one is like "winning the lottery."
Mimi Lau, a reporter at the South China Morning Post, said the shortage in coronavirus test kits are delaying diagnoses, and patients in hospitals in Wuhan have likened getting access to a kit to winning lottery tickets.
Quick test kit shortage for #WuhanCoronavirus is reportedly delaying diagnosis. Patients at major Wuhan hospitals presenting fever symptoms likened test kit access to winning lottery tickets. Kit manufactures working around the clock continue struggling to meet massive demand
Lu Chen, a PhD student affiliated with the UK's Wellcome Trust health research foundation, on Thursday cited an on-the-ground report from Chinese microblogging site Weibo detailing a shortage of supply test kits.
According to the Weibo post, only those with severe symptoms can be tested due to shortage of kits in Wuhan, as well as in the surrounding area in Hubei province.
The report also said that, in an unnamed major city in Hubei, only a small batch of test kits was delivered, and they were only enough to treat "less than one-tenth" of the number of people waiting to be checked at the hospital.
Business Insider has not been able to independently verify the Weibo report, but multiple photos and videos from Wuhan this week have shown dozens of people packed into tiny hospital hallways waiting for treatment.
Wuhan China virus coronavirus disease travel screening
A man leaves a medical center in Wuhan, China, where at least one patient died after contracting a new and little-understood respiratory virus. Noel Celis/AFP via Getty Images
In a Thursday statement, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said a total of ten biosafety labs, "with the corresponding protection levels," will be able to test nearly 2,000 samples every day when at full capacity.
It is not clear when the labs will be up and running, but the report said the request for further assistance from "the relevant higher authorities" was made January 22.
It added that the city plans to transport 30,000 kits to the labs but has only issued 6,000 of them so far.
The statement did not directly address a shortage in physical tests, but illustrates an apparent incapacity to keep up with the rapidly-spreading virus that has now killed 26 people in China and infected more than 870.
The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person.
Authorities in China announced a lockdown on several cities amid fears it could spread during the Lunar New Year, when people travel more than usual domestically and abroad. A total of 33 million people live in the quarantined cities.
Passengers who just arrived on a train from Wuhan, China are screened for coronavirus in Beijing.
The virus has also placed pressure on hospitals and healthcare professionals, who say they face a "flooding" of patients and lack protective gear.
A doctor at a Wuhan hospital told the BBC that thousands of patients are waiting for hours to be seen, and that there has been an "alarming rate of spread" of the deadly virus over the last two weeks.
"I am scared because this is a new virus and the figures are alarming," said the unnamed doctor, according to the BBC.
The city of Wuhan is scrambling to build a brand-new hospital in just six days to treat coronavirus patients amid the influx.
The World Health Organization has assessed the risk of the disease to be very high in China, but has not yet designated it as a public health emergency.
Coronavirus scare: Thai woman dies in Kolkata | Kolkata News - Times of India
Wuhan, China, faces such a shortage of coronavirus test-kits that people say getting one is like 'winning the lottery'
Sahar Esfandiari Jan 24, 2020, 8:43 AM
China banned trains and planes from leaving Wuhan at the centre of a virus outbreak on January 23, seeking to seal off its 11 million people to contain the contagious disease that has claimed 17 lives, infected hundreds and spread to other countries.
The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person and has killed 26 people and infected more than 870 as of Friday morning.
Access to test kits has been reserved for those with the most severe symptoms, and reports suggest hospitals in affected areas outside Wuhan also have limited access to them.
The reports come as doctors say they face a "flooding" of patients and not enough protective gear, and the city of Wuhan scrambles to build a brand new hospital in just six days to treat the virus.
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
Health authorities in Wuhan, China, are reportedly facing such a shortage in test kits for the deadly coronavirus that originated in the city that people say getting one is like "winning the lottery."
Mimi Lau, a reporter at the South China Morning Post, said the shortage in coronavirus test kits are delaying diagnoses, and patients in hospitals in Wuhan have likened getting access to a kit to winning lottery tickets.
Quick test kit shortage for #WuhanCoronavirus is reportedly delaying diagnosis. Patients at major Wuhan hospitals presenting fever symptoms likened test kit access to winning lottery tickets. Kit manufactures working around the clock continue struggling to meet massive demand
Lu Chen, a PhD student affiliated with the UK's Wellcome Trust health research foundation, on Thursday cited an on-the-ground report from Chinese microblogging site Weibo detailing a shortage of supply test kits.
According to the Weibo post, only those with severe symptoms can be tested due to shortage of kits in Wuhan, as well as in the surrounding area in Hubei province.
The report also said that, in an unnamed major city in Hubei, only a small batch of test kits was delivered, and they were only enough to treat "less than one-tenth" of the number of people waiting to be checked at the hospital.
Business Insider has not been able to independently verify the Weibo report, but multiple photos and videos from Wuhan this week have shown dozens of people packed into tiny hospital hallways waiting for treatment.
Wuhan China virus coronavirus disease travel screening
A man leaves a medical center in Wuhan, China, where at least one patient died after contracting a new and little-understood respiratory virus. Noel Celis/AFP via Getty Images
In a Thursday statement, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said a total of ten biosafety labs, "with the corresponding protection levels," will be able to test nearly 2,000 samples every day when at full capacity.
It is not clear when the labs will be up and running, but the report said the request for further assistance from "the relevant higher authorities" was made January 22.
It added that the city plans to transport 30,000 kits to the labs but has only issued 6,000 of them so far.
The statement did not directly address a shortage in physical tests, but illustrates an apparent incapacity to keep up with the rapidly-spreading virus that has now killed 26 people in China and infected more than 870.
The virus, known as 2019-nCoV, is spread from person to person.
Authorities in China announced a lockdown on several cities amid fears it could spread during the Lunar New Year, when people travel more than usual domestically and abroad. A total of 33 million people live in the quarantined cities.
Passengers who just arrived on a train from Wuhan, China are screened for coronavirus in Beijing.
The virus has also placed pressure on hospitals and healthcare professionals, who say they face a "flooding" of patients and lack protective gear.
A doctor at a Wuhan hospital told the BBC that thousands of patients are waiting for hours to be seen, and that there has been an "alarming rate of spread" of the deadly virus over the last two weeks.
"I am scared because this is a new virus and the figures are alarming," said the unnamed doctor, according to the BBC.
The city of Wuhan is scrambling to build a brand-new hospital in just six days to treat coronavirus patients amid the influx.
The World Health Organization has assessed the risk of the disease to be very high in China, but has not yet designated it as a public health emergency.
Coronavirus scare: Thai woman dies in Kolkata | Kolkata News - Times of India
helen
Panic Sex Lady
OK,
I get it.
Panty products...
... can be repurposed!
Oh Helen!
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Panic Sex Lady has Tom firmly in her sights...
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
A rat, not wanting to get blamed for coronavirus, is taking a soapy bath:
View: https://twitter.com/harvvfn/status/1222198988318937088?s=20 ]
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Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
China et al is slowly ramping up Searcher. The total "they" admitted to for today the 1st is nearly 2600 in one 24 hour period. Maybe getting brutalized in the media for issuing these mentally I'll counts is starting to sting their vast egos?
helen
Panic Sex Lady
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Deflation generally. Discretionary spending slows way down, and people start getting laid off.
I saw something about how rental property keeps its value in deflation. People get foreclosures, but they still have to live somewhere.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Oh Helen!
I wish I could be by your side.
However, if instead you need me at the end of a barrel of a gun,
I submit, I'm probably not worth the calories to pull the trigger.
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Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
How clean is clean?
jward
passin' thru
sorry. human interest story. May require kleenex 
View: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1223823355884851200?s=20
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Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Wow, "they"whoevervthey is in CHINA JUST CONFIRMED THE MAIN REASON FOR THE NUMBERS BEING DIFFERENT IS "THEY" CAN"T TEST TO SCALE. Well, they just gave themselves an out, or face saving way to admit poops, we just found 75,000 cases. The Mayor of a nearby city just said as much and perhaps, Searcher we can expect the next 2500 to be 25,000 for Monday?
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Not having to tranquilize you does save time for a second round...
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
They have to pass the scratch and sniff test !
Not wanting to start an economics fight but while over-all likely deflationary, specific now hard to get ‘stuff’ may rocket in price. Say your medicine (assume chronic condition that requires continuous specific meds) is now made in a new plant in western world instead of in plant paying couple hundred a month wages.
Or your bidding for a limited number new electronic gadget ie I phone 97 or I phone vista, or fighting over the last N95 mask in the state of Illinois.
Or your bidding for a limited number new electronic gadget ie I phone 97 or I phone vista, or fighting over the last N95 mask in the state of Illinois.
Just a note about ibuprophen...I had to take heavy doses of it 10 years ago... discovered it did a terrible number on my kidneys...which only function at a 35% level now. Some folks can take ibuprofen with no problem. some of us can't. Just n FYI.
Back in one of our previous outbreaks the comment was made that a virus that was too deadly would kill its own outbreak. The one to fear had a lower kill ratio and would spread more effectively. Rethinking this today, makes me think the weaker virus would take out the weaker parts of the population. A much longer infestation and higher total deaths. Not good for a JIT economy.
Chap
Chap
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
That sucks. makes one wonder just how many more are out there.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
O well.
Sad am I. Lowly MANtis to his lover.
I have died a thousand deaths, many times.
It's worth noting, the results are always predictable.
Sleeping alone.
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So far - so good.
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GammaRat
Veteran Member
It's interesting that their new testing facility will be able to test "up to 2000 samples a day when at full capacity"... #6,934
The exponential growth has already exceeded that. And just wait a week.