Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
You have a sociopathic child,?! Please do tell of that saga, Dennis! If you don't want it brought up, I understand letting sleeping dogs lie.
CRIME Wisconsin boy, 10, killed mom over VR headset
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It’s all been posted over the years. You wanna know? You look it up
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
He’s discussed it more than once since September in several different threads.
I see Melodis POV as well. Problem isby the time I was 6 I knew if I shot a living thing it would be Dead. Animal or Human. At age 9 I was a Theif-B&E. I was good at it and I knew it was wrong too. Shoplifting? Yup. I stole things I could sell on a street corner of a TV dinner tray.
I should have gone to Jail, Period.
No one in this country represents themselves in court. He may not "Get" the Legalese but he will certainly understand "Locked away forever." Like my dad telling me to to go into the road when I was a child-I did not understand Physics but I understood "Will turn you into a grease spot in the road."
Then again I am not sure many people in their 40's now have the Nebtal Capacity to be an Adult.
I was Latchkey from the time I was five till 11 then things got really bad for some years due to marriage. Water under the Bus now. I was often beaten like a dog-thrown thru sheetrock, kicked, beaten with a belt buckle. Got my first bloody nose at age 8 by my Dad.
I'm not a Seriel Killer. I do have a cold, mean streak that I only let out in absolute necessity situations and that side of me will F someone up in a heartbeat then sleep like a baby.
The whole 'The Voices told me to do it" or "I'm a Victim of XYZ" get played too much for me to buy it as an Excuse.
Let me ask you this-what if they do/did tests and it turns out he is not Crackers?
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Sat, sounds a lot like what my step dad did to me. I’m right there with ya bud.
Yep. There are a lot of us out there brother-we grew up, worked, had lives that did not include making Lampshades and Lady Fingers out of other people. When I see people going "Maybe this or Maybe that" it always seem to be in favor of the cracker that slipped off the cheese. Maybe the kid is Looney Tooney Rubber Roomey but maybe the mom got the gun because she realized the kid was Norman 'Damien' Bates the Third and was terrified for her life.
Kewpie
Senior Member
The prevailing theory is that it needs to be a perfect storm (of sorts) to create a true irredeemable killer. Yes, you had it *extremely* rough (and I would give kiddo you a hug if I could) but you are also probably not a true psychopath. Now take someone with psychopathic tendencies and give them that upbringing…it gets a lot more sketchy.
But the main question: if they do the tests and he isn’t ‘crackers’. I’m assuming you mean he doesn’t have an immediately diagnosable disorder like bipolar or schizophrenia. There still needs to be testing to see if there are medical abnormalities that effect certain parts of the brain that could influence things like impulse control, right/wrong, etc. So say all of those things have been ruled out, they need to figure out if the child is a psychopath or sociopath (and there is probably dozens of variations of personality disorders they would test for). At that point they wouid need to come up with a treatment and therapy plan to try to assimilate the child.
You have to remember, this is still a child. Brains are developing WELL into your 20s. Maybe the disorder is something they outgrow? Or with therapy they become at least a functional member of society. And maybe they can never seem to overcome it. There should be an evaluation at around 18 that says whether they have progressed or not, and measures taken from there.
But to throw a 10 year old boy into an adult prison? What do you think will happen to him? How will that help him, the victims, or even society at large? Because we KNOW what will happen. And who on Gods Green Earth would not just think that’s OK, but actively cheer it on as a just punishment? Of a 10 year old? Either y’all have no children of your own, or are so removed you’ve forgotten what it’s like.
And for people so against abortion, you’re awful damn quick to call for the death of one that is a mere 10 years out of the womb.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
First, when I said "defend himself in court," I meant to be able to discuss and understand the proceedings and options with his lawyers as an "adult." That is impossible because he isn't one. As I said, my beef here isn't that the child may need to be locked away for life for everyone's safety (that may be true), but it is the fiction of charging him as an "adult." that needs changing. Change the law, and don't play with "reality" there is far too much of that going on these days as it is.
Second, it is pretty obvious that some children are born with basically psychopathic disorders or other severe mental/physical illnesses that good parenting may be able to modify, but it won't, on its own, "solve" the problem.
However, it is possible to drive a child insane (or temporarily insane). The adult handlers of child soldiers in Africa (some of them "graduates" of the same treatment are masters at doing this.
I've written before about a woman I knew with two Ph. D.s and a good work ethic; her husband literally tried to murder her in front of their 11-year-old son. When she got out of the hospital, she moved with her son to California in hopes of a new life. She kept getting jobs and losing them because the little boy started to act like a "bad seed," including setting fires to where they lived every time she got a job and held it for a week. The short version of the story is the State was about to incarcerate the kid in a mental facility when my Native Elder friend was able to move in (platonically) with Mom and provide a grandfather/paternal figure. That boy is now an Iraq war veteran with a wife and several children, last I heard.
That child exhibited for a short time, after a horrific experience, many of the traits of "hopeless" kids (though he didn't hurt animals). But having a safe-male figure take the place of a caring and involved person (who wasn't going to go away or try to murder Mom) made all the difference. He was recoverable, probably because he was a perfectly normal little boy before disaster struck.
Second, it is pretty obvious that some children are born with basically psychopathic disorders or other severe mental/physical illnesses that good parenting may be able to modify, but it won't, on its own, "solve" the problem.
However, it is possible to drive a child insane (or temporarily insane). The adult handlers of child soldiers in Africa (some of them "graduates" of the same treatment are masters at doing this.
I've written before about a woman I knew with two Ph. D.s and a good work ethic; her husband literally tried to murder her in front of their 11-year-old son. When she got out of the hospital, she moved with her son to California in hopes of a new life. She kept getting jobs and losing them because the little boy started to act like a "bad seed," including setting fires to where they lived every time she got a job and held it for a week. The short version of the story is the State was about to incarcerate the kid in a mental facility when my Native Elder friend was able to move in (platonically) with Mom and provide a grandfather/paternal figure. That boy is now an Iraq war veteran with a wife and several children, last I heard.
That child exhibited for a short time, after a horrific experience, many of the traits of "hopeless" kids (though he didn't hurt animals). But having a safe-male figure take the place of a caring and involved person (who wasn't going to go away or try to murder Mom) made all the difference. He was recoverable, probably because he was a perfectly normal little boy before disaster struck.
Kids are usually assigned a guardian ad litem for legal proceedings. Even if he’s tried as an adult, I’d bet he gets one.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I'm sure he will, but that still doesn't make him an adult.
So? That’s what the guardian is for.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Like Poll questions, it depends entirely on which audience you ask.
I asked my wife, a generous and kind hearted woman, and she says no. She teared up but it's still no.
I'm pragmatic to the core; assessing why something is the way it is and ascribing blame or conditions as to why doesn't eliminate the issue.
Can society as a whole be protected from recurrences of this behaviour?
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
My own half brother was the one I had to watch out I didn't get caught in a dark corner with.
"Is it hot down there, Tom?"
"Is it hot down there, Tom?"
Melodi
Disaster Cat
So they are charging him as an adult; he is not an adult; he is a child, to call him an adult violates reality and is a lie.
Otherwise, let's just have "guardians" or parents decide that their ten-year-old is ready for a driver's license, to get married, adopt a child of their own, work 14 days with paid overtime, take a job in the porn industry, or any of a number of things that in the 19th-century parents and guardians could do. It was not-uncommon for poorer parents to sell their 12-year-old (or 10-year-old) daughter's virginity to the highest bidder. Young boys were routinely taken from home between the ages of 10 to 12 to become "ship's boys" or "drummer boys in the military."
Just having a "guardian" doesn't mean very much of the law can just be "Jiggled about a bit" to make a child magically into an "adult" simply because the legal system is screwed up and can't fix the problem of child-offenders that may need to be kept locked up longer than the age of 18 (and then let out without supervision). That's a legal problem, and it isn't solved by "playing pretend" with reality.
Or rather, it might look like it solves it, but it is still based on a lie and used as an excuse not to solve a major flaw in the legal system.
Charged as an Adult does not mean they are facing the same punishment nor considered an "Adult". Likely Juvi Courts do not deal with a lot of kids ghosting their mothers.
Not going to Adult Prison or any such thing.