raven
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it is pinging which means it is routing
does SurfaceDESKTOP-63N24JR192.168.1.101 have internet?
…… Windows networking issue
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does SurfaceDESKTOP-63N24JR192.168.1.101 have internet?
BH
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if your wired can and wireless cannot, check the wireless settings in the router and look for something that talks about "AP Isolation". If this is 'Enabled' it will produce exactly the behavior you are describing, while allowing wired connections to work normally. Here is the 'wireless' config in my router.
raven
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there is a feature known as Access Point Isolation or AP Isolation. This feature is not typically enabled by default, as it causes computers in the network to be invisible to each other. This can be a good thing under certain circumstances, but in everyday home networking, it is usually a detriment.
BH
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I bought a new router a few months ago and I think AP Isolation was Enabled by default. In today's world of Cloud based wireless IOT devices, enabling AP Isolation would be a good thing if your everyday usage will allow it. I actually run a 2nd router (totally different network) just for the various IOT devices here to prevent my computers from being seen by 3rd party IOT computers (and a particular family member).
raven
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Below is how to enable AP mode for Orbi.
I would think you do opposite to disable. (or maybe upside down and backwards)How to change a Netgear Orbi router to AP mode
1. Connect a computer to the Orbi router and launch a web browser.2. Visit the following router configuration page:
http://orbilogin.com
3. You are prompted to enter a username and password. Enter the following default login credentials:
Username: admin
Password: password
NOTE: If the default login credentials do not work, you might have changed the admin password.
4. Select ADVANCED > Advanced Setup > Router/AP Mode.
5. Select AP Mode.
6. Click Apply.
(just checking to see if you read it)
Macgyver
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Yes
raven
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Macgyver
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If i put it in AP mode it won't act like a router anymore. Can't do that.
raven
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You don't want to.
If "AP Mode Enabled"
Then " it causes computers in the network to be invisible to each other. "
You want computers to be visible.
As I said, in order to disable,
Macgyver
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That is enabled.
raven
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ok.
You know some things.
You know the router is leasing IP addresses through DHCP.
You know the laptop has received an address from the router.
So you know the laptop and the router are on the same network.
You can access the internet from the laptop.
So you know the router is routing the packets from the laptop to the internet and back to the laptop.
You know that the "network" is working.
You know that the desktop pinged the laptop which means packets went from the desktop to the router and then to the laptop. Which means the router is routing the local network.
You verified that the laptop has "Network Discovery" enabled.
Did we check to see if the laptop could ping the desktop?
You know some things.
You know the router is leasing IP addresses through DHCP.
You know the laptop has received an address from the router.
So you know the laptop and the router are on the same network.
You can access the internet from the laptop.
So you know the router is routing the packets from the laptop to the internet and back to the laptop.
You know that the "network" is working.
You know that the desktop pinged the laptop which means packets went from the desktop to the router and then to the laptop. Which means the router is routing the local network.
You verified that the laptop has "Network Discovery" enabled.
Did we check to see if the laptop could ping the desktop?
SmithJ
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Not necessarily- it is turned on for the private network profile.
is your current network profile for wan and for Wi-Fi set to public or private? They can be different, and they can change when you change routers.
SmithJ
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Make a Wi-Fi network public or private in Windows - Microsoft Support
Learn how to set a Wi-Fi network profile as public or private in Windows.
support.microsoft.com
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SmithJ
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Is your Wi-Fi connection set to public or private ?
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Knoxville's Joker
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I would recommend sticking with one vendor for your entire network hardware setup. I have seen many cases where vendors do not play nice with other vendors.Ok here is the attached device list from the router. The problem child is device #4.
I deleted the mac address from the list, probably should not post those I would assume.
Connected Satellites
Connected Devices
Raspberry PiRaspberry Pi-Raspberry Pi192.168.1.25 
34:98:B57:E2:ED
HikvisionHikvision192.168.1.82
34:98:B5
RokuRokuExpress-884192.168.1.100 
34:98:B5
SurfaceDESKTOP-63N24JR192.168.1.101 
34:98:B5
AppleUSPRIWT0009192.168.1.105
34:98:B5
HPHP34E276192.168.1.107
34:98:B5
ecobeeHome192.168.1.108
34:98:B5
AppleApple192.168.1.109
34:98:B5
8 5G UWOnePlus-8-5G-UW192.168.1.110
34:98:B5
D-Linkdlink-BF6935192.168.1.111
34:98:B5
SamsungSamsung192.168.1.112
34:98:B5
LGLGwebOSTV192.168.1.113
34:98:B5
AsusPuget-162562192.168.1.114
34:98:B5
SurfaceUSPRIWT0009192.168.1.116
34:98:B5
iPhoneiPhone-3192.168.1.117
34:98:B5
LGLGwebOSTV192.168.1.119
34:98:B5
NetgearNetgear192.168.1.121
34:98:B5
And if you are still having issues do factory resets on each network device. And if you are running a mesh network to extend wireless coverage I would strongly recommend running ethernet cables to those devices and have them function as access points as it will give much more robust network performance that way.
Given the network configuration information on the computer you are giving it really looks like you have some misconfigured access points in your wireless network that are acting in functions that the router should be doing. The router needs to be the DNS, WINS, DHCP, and Gateway address for all functions unless you have a compelling performance reason there should be no need to part that functionality out to any other device other than your router.
Macgyver
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I don't have any access points.
It's this orbi router, the comcraptastic modem and a few dumb switches.
Knoxville's Joker
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Switch the switches over to the same brand as the router. things may play nicer then. On my home setup I have all wiring routed to a central location and a 24 port switch that plugs into the ISP router.
raven
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I can't see any reason why it is not seeing the other computers.
And I know this sounds lazy but, "Have you tried to turn it off and on"
which (as when you have to reboot after a software upgrade) should refresh all your settings.
Another thought I had . . . but thought "No way it could be that" is . . .
are all these network devices in the same workgroup or domain?
is it Windows 10 Home version?
You can use the wizard in system properties to do this:
And I know this sounds lazy but, "Have you tried to turn it off and on"
which (as when you have to reboot after a software upgrade) should refresh all your settings.
Another thought I had . . . but thought "No way it could be that" is . . .
are all these network devices in the same workgroup or domain?
is it Windows 10 Home version?
You can use the wizard in system properties to do this:
Macgyver
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Orbi is netgear so are the other switches.
Macgyver
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Its a surface so I did whip out the dongle and attached it to the network with a cable and nothing changed.
I have a surface Pro 4 and it’s connected to my network just fine. Just saying.
Macgyver
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All are on workgroup "workgroup"
windows 10 pro
Macgyver
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This is the problem computer.
Give me a bit for the working desktop config, wife is using that one.
C:\Users\SNJ> ipconfig /all
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : DESKTOP-63N24JR
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Wireless LAN adapter Local Area Connection* 2:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Wi-Fi Direct Virtual Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 9A-5F-D3-3A-9C-C4
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Wireless LAN adapter Local Area Connection* 12:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft Wi-Fi Direct Virtual Adapter #2
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 9A-5F-D3-3A-99-C4
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Wireless LAN adapter Wi-Fi:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell AVASTAR Wireless-AC Network Controller
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 98-5F-D3-3A-9D-C5
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::9364:545d:60d1:128a%11(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.101(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:56:46 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, July 17, 2023 2:11:14 PM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 127426515
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-29-A3-6A-AD-98-5F-D3-3A-9D-C5
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled
Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 98-5F-D3-3A-9D-C6
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
C:\Users\SNJ>
Macgyver
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Here is from a desktop computer that works.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>ipconfig /all
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Puget-162562
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Ethernet:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : ******************
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.114(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:53:00 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, July 17, 2023 10:53:01 AM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
C:\WINDOWS\system32>ipconfig /all
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Puget-162562
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Ethernet:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (2) I219-V
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : ******************
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.114(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, July 16, 2023 10:53:00 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, July 17, 2023 10:53:01 AM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled
C:\WINDOWS\system32>
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Macgyver
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Completely disabled that in my fit of rage yesterday.
Knoxville's Joker
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That looks a lot better. Saying that it means that you had some network devices that were misbehaving.
raven
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yea . . . you have to stop that or you are really gonna screw something up . . . the fits of rage
like uninstalling antivirus.
The fewer changes you make the better.
This is one of those things that always ends up in a "awe shit, why didn't I think of that moment"
always