WHITE HOUSE INSIDER: Emergency All Call At Obama White House!
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BertaBurtonLake
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Yes, but Nixon had dignity and a sense of shame. Neither of those qualities is present in our current generation of politicians in general, or His Holiness in particular. Obama would NEVER resign, because, well, he's just Too Important....
Agree.
Nixon, despite his flaws (we all have them, right?), at least had some semblance of personal integrity. The current Resident has no such compunction.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Conversations in DC are probably running on several levels. Zero's immediate handlers are figuring out how to play it, the Post Turtle Placers are having a completely different conversation, and meanwhile the PTP are passing guidance to the handlers as an interim measure while they make up their minds.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Explain? I don't get the reference.
MtnGal
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Billy Boy could change all that. He's made it clear he doesn't like what O did to Hillary. Billy Boy plays with bigger boys than Obama.
BertaBurtonLake
Inactive
Dream on, if that lets you sleep at night.
Speckled Trout1
Senior Member
Since it's almost the weekend time for a little woo woo regarding why the MSM seems to be hypercovering "Hurricane Sandy". remember this quote "never let a good crisis go to waste" - The MSM keeps repeating "At least 50 MIILLION people will be effected - that's 1 of every 6 people in the Untied States" - and now for the woo woo--
Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a state of emergency.
Martial law should not be confused with military justice. In the United States, for example, each branch of the military has its own judicial structures in place. Members of the service are under the control of military law, and in some cases civilians working for or with the military may be subject to military law. But this is the normal course of business in the military. Martial law is the exception to the rule. In the United States, the military courts were created by the Congress, and cases can be appealed out of the military system to the Supreme Court in many cases. In addition, a civilian court can petition the military for habeas corpus.
Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency (such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.
Because of this connection of the two concepts, it is often argued that only Congress can declare martial law, because Congress alone is granted the power to suspend the writ. The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it; Congress may agree to the declaration, putting the official stamp of approval on the declaration; or it can reject the President's imposition of martial law, which could set up a power struggle between the Congress and the Executive that only the Judiciary would be able to resolve.
In the United States, there is precedent for martial law. Several times in the course of our history, martial law of varying degrees has been declared. The most obvious and often-cited example was when President Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. This instance provides us with most of the rules for martial law that we would use today, should the need arise.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
I'm not trying to diminish the danger of the storm, I personally know what can happen with this type of system, TIJMHO - to all that will be effected - prepare and stay safe -
Martial law may be declared in cases of major natural disasters however most countries use a different legal construct, such as a state of emergency.
Martial law should not be confused with military justice. In the United States, for example, each branch of the military has its own judicial structures in place. Members of the service are under the control of military law, and in some cases civilians working for or with the military may be subject to military law. But this is the normal course of business in the military. Martial law is the exception to the rule. In the United States, the military courts were created by the Congress, and cases can be appealed out of the military system to the Supreme Court in many cases. In addition, a civilian court can petition the military for habeas corpus.
Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency (such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.
Because of this connection of the two concepts, it is often argued that only Congress can declare martial law, because Congress alone is granted the power to suspend the writ. The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it; Congress may agree to the declaration, putting the official stamp of approval on the declaration; or it can reject the President's imposition of martial law, which could set up a power struggle between the Congress and the Executive that only the Judiciary would be able to resolve.
In the United States, there is precedent for martial law. Several times in the course of our history, martial law of varying degrees has been declared. The most obvious and often-cited example was when President Lincoln declared martial law during the Civil War. This instance provides us with most of the rules for martial law that we would use today, should the need arise.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
I'm not trying to diminish the danger of the storm, I personally know what can happen with this type of system, TIJMHO - to all that will be effected - prepare and stay safe -
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Dobbin
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Hognutz
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An old rancher is talking about politics with a young man from the city. He compares a politician to a "post turtle". The young man doesn't understand and asks him what a post turtle is.
The old man says, "When you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. You know he didn't get up there by himself. He doesn't belong there; he can't get anything done while he's up there; and you just want to help the poor, dumb thing down."
Except Joe, I would like to leave him up there. For good!
The old man says, "When you're driving down a country road and you see a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a post turtle. You know he didn't get up there by himself. He doesn't belong there; he can't get anything done while he's up there; and you just want to help the poor, dumb thing down."
Except Joe, I would like to leave him up there. For good!
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Romney's campaign needs to pick the ball up on this and run with it.
Obama got the "3am phone call" test on a Friday afternoon, so he doesn't have the excuse of being asleep. President Obama flat out blew it and Americans died as a result.
He wanted the job of President and he got it. And he needs to be held accountable for poor job performance that allowed people to die when they could have been saved.
I wish there had been higher-ups who had the balls the CIA guys in Benghazi showed when they disobeyed their orders to stand back and let the attack go on. What would Obobo and his minions have said if an AC-130 had been scrambled off the ground in Tripoli, flown to Benghazi and laid waste to the attackers?
Would they have called the people involved heroes for stopping the attack or would they have publically brought them back to the US in chains for disobediance? You're damn right that they'd have brought them back as heroes and then tried to suck up as much credit as possible. They might pressure everyone involved to resign or retire, but they would have called them heroes.
Now the entire chain of command appears tainted by the disgraceful inaction at the top. Theater and field commanders should have had the authority to make that call, but instead it had to go all the way back to DC for permission to act. That's micro-management worse than LBJ personally pick bombing targets in Horth Viet Nam. At least LBJ didn't tell individual pilots "No, you can't act." when they realized they needed to take unplanned actions to protect their fellow servicemembers.
I cannot wait to see this crowd run out of Washington. I don't know if my heart can take another 4 years about this sort of crap.
WW
MataPam
Veteran Member
I think this is the "New news" that will guarantee an Obama defeat. Assets on the scene _not_able_ to get permission to fire? WTF!
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/2...-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/2...-benghazi-obama-admin-refused-to-let-it-fire/
chuck_finley
Contributing Member
But Dennis, it's the internet! That's the whole point of the internet, to vent and argue on topics that in reality most will do nothing of real substance to impact....
DennisRGH
Reset
yeah! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^1000000+
I am so angry about this. I don't know how Americans (notice small c) can stand it.
True enough, except the continual semi-hysterical calls for impeachment in the face of objective reality makes those people look like fools. And ill-informed fools at that.
Josie
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Yes, but Nixon had dignity and a sense of shame. Neither of those qualities is present in our current generation of politicians in general, or His Holiness in particular. Obama would NEVER resign, because, well, he's just Too Important....
True...and Nixon ultimately realized how it would tear the country apart. The splitting of the country is what Barry the boob has had in mind from the start.
knepper
Veteran Member
If Republicans hold the House and take the Senate, and the Evil Treasonous Usurper manages to steal his way to reelection, then and only then impeachment becomes an option. If the Republicans fail to remove him in that case, then I am done being a Republican. It should go without saying that Eric Holder, who is just as evil as his Lord and Master, is not going to allow any of the guilty to be punished.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
And were even Impeachment successful - you then get saddled with Mr. Tact Himself - Joe Biden.
Giddyap!
Dunno though. Given a strong enough sedative, Joe might be a pretty easy passenger.
Dobbin
If you think that repubs will A) take 60 seats in the Senate (required to convict), and B) show enough testicular fortitude to pull the trigger on impeachment, you're nuts.
ETA: And the impeachment process would consume over a year at a bare minimum, during which time major riots by the GIBSMEDATS would be a daily occurrence. And the repubs know that.
I just don't understand you people screaming for this despite the absolutely clear understanding that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
ETA: And the impeachment process would consume over a year at a bare minimum, during which time major riots by the GIBSMEDATS would be a daily occurrence. And the repubs know that.
I just don't understand you people screaming for this despite the absolutely clear understanding that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
mbabulldog
Inactive
and that's why my fear of a Black Swan event occurring in the next 72 hours just went to a full-blown alert!!!
Bubble Head
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Some General in theater did not have the brass to do what had to be done. Order the strike despite BO. Thought more of his perks and big pension than take care of his fellow Americans. Remember that. Never forget that. Some General will order the tanks down your street because the sick pervert will think more of his/her perks than fellow Americans. This may be sooner than later. The Chief Pervert is outted on this one and the time to take action is at hand. Defeat at the polls may mean nothing to him but let him suffer the defeat no matter what. Vote and do not throw your vote away on someone who cannot win. And then let the pervert come after us knowing we lie in wait.
Bubble Head
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Could Harries car wreck in LV be the start.
momof23goats
Deceased
Dennis, I don't think they have to impeach in this case, if any one had a pair, [like a fed.judge, ], they could arrest him for treason. but that ain't going to happen.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
I'm thinking they are in full panic mode. Here is a good scenario. Bam Bam is voted out and then spends a year defending himself ending up in charges of some sort. I don't think they can do a retroactive impeachment but wouldn't it be cool if they could. roll back Obamacare and all those EO's.
I think the military has to do that.
A sitting president cannot be arrested. Has to be impeached first.
Kadosh
Membership Revoked
Who the hell made THAT silly law??
Rastech
Veteran Member
When an Embassy is attacked (this is an Act of War remember, on your Sovereign Territory), the chain of communication would have been opened, all the way to the desk in the Oval Office, at lightning speed.
You are looking probably at almost seconds rather than minutes (comms since 9/11/01 have gotten extremely brisk).
Along the way, every individual informed would have been logged as to when they were informed, who got CC'd, etc. This is completely documented as to exactly what happened, all they way up to the desk in the Oval Office.
The chain of communication *from* the Oval Office, would have been equally detailed in the logs.
Along with the communication to the desk in the Oval Office, there was another delivery that took place at the exact same time. It was not logged, but it was delivered.
That delivery, was 'The Buck'.
Once 'The Buck' stopped at the desk in the Oval Office, it ceased to travel, and didn't accompany any communications back down the line.
There is no getting around, 'The Buck'.
You are looking probably at almost seconds rather than minutes (comms since 9/11/01 have gotten extremely brisk).
Along the way, every individual informed would have been logged as to when they were informed, who got CC'd, etc. This is completely documented as to exactly what happened, all they way up to the desk in the Oval Office.
The chain of communication *from* the Oval Office, would have been equally detailed in the logs.
Along with the communication to the desk in the Oval Office, there was another delivery that took place at the exact same time. It was not logged, but it was delivered.
That delivery, was 'The Buck'.
Once 'The Buck' stopped at the desk in the Oval Office, it ceased to travel, and didn't accompany any communications back down the line.
There is no getting around, 'The Buck'.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
The EOs will probably mostly get rolled back - so the new Rino in chief can put up a whole hayloft of EOs for himself.
A retroactive impeachment would not fly I'm afraid. ObamaCare was as much a Congressional Legislative Frankenbill as it was an Obama creation. Congress will have to back this Obamacare Wagon out of the Regulatory Barn and then take the wheels off it.
And therein lies the problem.
Actually, were Romney smart (which he is - sort of) he could propose ANOTHER BILL that would essentially gut out the ObamaCare bill. This might be more easily passed by Congress rather than wrangling the errant steed of untamed regulation and trying to make it bow down to one man's will.
But Romney would have to do his homework!
Dobbin
Rastech
Veteran Member
Well slap the cuffs on and read him his Rights, when he is standing up then!
Warthog
Black Out
Or it could be this coming. Watch if they all dissapper out of DC into their bunkers!!!!!!
Heh .... Silly Wabbits.
Kadosh
Membership Revoked
So, if O-loser flips out one day and starts pressing launch buttons of our nukes just for fun, nothing could be done until impeachment hearings took place? Niiiice....
Nothing LEGAL could be done. I'd imagine that he'd be dragged off by the JCS and his VP put in place until it could all be sorted out. I think there's a clause about being "mentally unfit" for the duties required.
Kadosh
Membership Revoked
Well, DAMN! Let's invoke THAT option NOW!!!
How does that make him not in office?
banana.republic.us
Senior Member
I think the irony shouldn't be lost here.
'Bama should have read his constitution and stayed far and away from Labia (misspelled) when he did the no Fly zone when wacky Kahdaffy ran that shi&.
Now, it's all on him. He owns it. He should rot in hell with it.
Pity that O-Romney differs little from Barry the CONstitutional scholar on our Foreign entanglements,,,,, Uh, I mean policy and will gladly drone, invade, and generally FUC# with any country HE deems a threat to Amerikens.
During the "debates" O-Romeny and ROM-bama both said the highest duty the president has to sheople is to PROTECT them.
I thought their highest duty was to uphold and defend the CONstitution.
Silly me!
'Bama should have read his constitution and stayed far and away from Labia (misspelled) when he did the no Fly zone when wacky Kahdaffy ran that shi&.
Now, it's all on him. He owns it. He should rot in hell with it.
Pity that O-Romney differs little from Barry the CONstitutional scholar on our Foreign entanglements,,,,, Uh, I mean policy and will gladly drone, invade, and generally FUC# with any country HE deems a threat to Amerikens.
During the "debates" O-Romeny and ROM-bama both said the highest duty the president has to sheople is to PROTECT them.
I thought their highest duty was to uphold and defend the CONstitution.
Silly me!
Um, LABIA are the external vaginal folds on a woman. LIBYA is a country....